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tbwhhs
I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember the crazy pit rules that NASCAR started in 1991 after that horrible crash in the pits at Atlanta. But, I think that is the only thing that NASCAR has done that is stupider than this new format.
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Read up on the 1974 point system where the champion was decided at Daytona.
 
Great looking car, someone finally realized you can do so much more that just slap on fade tool and call it a day.

mwoodski
This definitely was a Monster initiated thing, not a NASCAR thing.
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Are you implying someone was actually even more out of their minds then Brian France and NASCAR? Madness.
 
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Gross.
Zero flow.

Last year's was so much better, as it was basically a copy of the old Ritz/Oreo car.
 
It was Monster initiated, Brad designed, Brian approved. If it were Brian's creation he'd have gone over the specifics instead of simply introducing the presser.
 
I have zero interest in NASCAR but I read through the raft of changes. Perhaps they will be better in practice but my God they are convoluted. It seems like instead of picking the best ideas they decided to use all the ideas.

Also, giving points to everybody is ridiculous. I'm not sure how big a NASCAR field is but points should go to no more than half the participants.

What is the objective of having a 3 segment race? Will the cars return to pit-lane while highlights are shown?
 
Matt Kenseth digging at the media? This can't be, I thought Stewart retired :lol:
 
Scuderia Paul
What is the objective of having a 3 segment race? Will the cars return to pit-lane while highlights are shown?
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The thinking is modern young people don't have the attention span to be entertained by a 400+ mile race where the important action occurs only in the last number of laps.

Breaking the race into three periods with extensive ntermissions to load up on social media, beverages, food, smokes, and points awarded along the way is intended to spur more interest on the part of millennials.
 
Dotini
The thinking is modern young people don't have the attention span to be entertained by a 400+ mile race where the important action occurs only in the last number of laps.

Breaking the race into three periods with extensive ntermissions to load up on social media, beverages, food, smokes, and points awarded along the way is intended to spur more interest on the part of millennials.
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I kinda understand that but I don't get the necessity of it all if you still advance by winning the race anyway especially since Maiami stays exactly the same.

If they did a Touring Car system where they had 2 to 3 races per round over the course of the weekend instead of 3 stages per races, it wouldn't be so bad.
 
RESHIRAM5
I kinda understand that but I don't get the necessity of it all
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There is a dire and urgent necessity due to the declining viewership, attendance and revenues. The basic economics of the sport are deteriorating.
 
Dotini
There is a dire and urgent necessity due to the declining viewership, attendance and revenues. The basic economics of the sport are deteriorating.
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I don't get how the solution is to introduce new things as if they thought the things they're throwing in before are working.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
In case anyone haven't read the FAQ on the new system :


NASCAR's race enhancements announced Monday detailed how and why races will be run in stages in 2017. Below are answers to some of the potential questions.



How many stages are in a race?

Three -- Stage 1, Stage 2 and the Final Stage. Stage 1 and Stage 2 will reward drivers who are leading, or in the top 10, at the conclusion of each stage. The Final Stage will determine the race winner.



What is Stage 1?

The green flag begins the race, and therefore Stage 1. Its length is approximately 25-30 percent of the event's total length -- it is different for each race, dependent on track size and race length -- with the ending marked via a stage checkered flag (the stage can end under caution, if necessary).



Who benefits most?

Drivers who are running first through 10th at the conclusion of Stage 1 will receive stage bonus points, starting with 10 points for first place, nine points for second place, down to one point for 10th place. Additionally, the driver who finishes Stage 1 first will receive one playoff point to carry into the postseason, should that driver qualify. Those can add up quickly over the course of a season.


What about Stage 2?

At the conclusion of Stage 1, there is a caution period for drivers to come down pit road (innovative strategies will be crucial under these enhancements.) Stage 2 will then begin with a drop of the green flag for the restart. Its length is approximately 25-30 percent of the event's total length -- it is different for each race, dependent on track size and race length -- with the ending marked via a stage checkered flag (the stage can end under caution, if necessary).



What about Stage 2 bonus points?

Same as Stage 1: Drivers who are running first through 10th at the conclusion of Stage 2 will receive stage bonus points, starting with 10 points for first place, nine points for second place, down to one point for 10th place. Additionally, the driver who finishes Stage 2 first will receive one playoff point to carry into the postseason.



What about the final stage?

Following another caution period, which gives fans another natural break in the action, the final stage begins with another green flag drop and restart. Drivers then race for the event win ... and the five bonus points that come with it.



How are points distributed?

The final stage produces the race results, so the end of the final stage is the end of the race. Whoever crosses the start/finish line first at the checkered flag is the race winner. Race points are then awarded to the entire field based on finishing order. The winner receives 40 points. Second place receives 35 points, third place receives 34 points, fourth place receives 33 points ... down to one point for drivers who finish 36th-40th.



There no longer will be a bonus point for leading a lap, or a bonus point for leading the most laps.



And the winner?

The race winner receives five bonus points toward the postseason (this is up from three last year under the new enhancements), plus postseason eligibility. If a driver leads at the end of both Stage 1 and Stage 2, and then wins the race, then he or she would receive seven bonus points to carry into the postseason.



For which series were these enhancements designed?

The Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series, the NASCAR XFINITY Series and the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series will all use this enhanced format.



By rewarding hard racing through the duration of the season, will there be an official regular-season champion?

Yes, there formally will be a regular-season champion. That driver will earn 15 additional playoff points to carry into the postseason.



Any more bonus points for points standings at the end of the regular season?

Yes. In addition to the regular-season champion, drivers who finish in the top 10 of the regular season all receive some measure of playoff points to take into the postseason. Here's the breakdown:



First place in regular season points earns a driver 15 playoff bonus points in addition to the points earned with race or stage wins; second place earns 10 playoff points; third place, 8; fourth place, 7; fifth place, 6; sixth place, 5; seventh place, 4; eighth place, 3; ninth place, 2; 10th place, 1.



In this enhanced format, when is a race official?
At the conclusion of Stage 2.



How does the postseason work?

Once the postseason begins, points will be reset to 2,000 for the opening round, with each driver's accrued bonus points tacked onto that total. Four drivers still will be eliminated in each round of the postseason, setting up a final four in Miami for all three national series.



What is the tweak for playoff points?

Playoff points earned for race wins or for leading at the end of Stage 1 or Stage 2 now will carry over round-by-round if a driver continues advancing. It's not just for the first round any more. Additionally, drivers can build off and add to those bonus points.



So if a driver has 70 playoff points heading into the postseason, and then wins the playoff opener (five-point bonus), he or she would advance to the next round and carry 75 additional points -- or more, depending on his or her results over the next two races in the round.



Does winning a race in the postseason still automatically qualify that driver for the next round, regardless of points?

Yes. Winning trumps all.



Will bonus points still carry over to Miami?

No. Miami is the exception. All four drivers competing for the championship will start with the same amount of points. There will be no bonus points for this race for those final four drivers. First to the line wins the title.

Source :

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...-questions-2017-race-format-enhancements.html
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TL;DR, every race is an all star race, but instead of a fan vote* for one of the stages, we run the same 40 cars...then crown a winner. So really just tune in for the last stage.


*due to NASCAR think tank not divulging all "great ideas" for a given year, next year will have the fan vote stage
 
So of course NASCAR fans on Facebook are always negative so of course they don't like the changes. NASCAR on reddit is 50/50. But I didn't know what to expect on here and god damn you guy's are just dumping on the new format. I'm in the minority on this one. I like the changes except for the expected cautions. But it's only two so it's not too bad. Also interviewing the driver and crew chief after a segment is doing a little too much. But other than that I like everything else. Every race matters. Whether you made the chase or not everyone is racing for something now. The people that's confused about this shouldn't be worried. I'm pretty sure that the TV networks are going to have a regular season standings, chase grid and chase bonus points grid so people won't be so confused. Anyway what I mainly like about this format is that it isn't a crapshoot anymore. Well.....It still is but only the final race at homestead. But that won't be the case trying to make it to homestead though. No more of that crap of everyone being equal after a round again. So at the end of the day this a step in the right direction. Yes I don't understand why NASCAR can't just get rid of the chase to make it simple but still this a step in the right direction. At least watch this season to see how it plays out. And if you're actually gonna stop watching NASCAR then actually do it and stop. That means don't be coming on to social media complaining and you just claimed you're done.
 
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Elitekilla29
Every race matters.
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Until you win one, at that point you're pretty much in the chase and nothing else until Chicago matters. The chase was unwanted in the first place, then came eliminations, and then this competition caution format. It's everything put together that has killed watching it for most people here. All most of us want to see as far as I can tell is full length basically endurance races where a champion is crowned at the end of the season from the total amount of points earned.
 
Eh Team
Until you win one, at that point you're pretty much in the chase and nothing else until Chicago matters. The chase was unwanted in the first place, then came eliminations, and then this competition caution format. It's everything put together that has killed watching it for most people here. All most of us want to see as far as I can tell is full length basically endurance races where a champion is crowned at the end of the season from the total amount of points earned.
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With the old format, no every race didn't matter. Now it does. Like I said if you win yea you're in the chase but you still have to try to get extra chase points so that way you can have a good cushion from round to round. That's the thing y'all not getting. It's not a total crapshoot like how it was before. Y'all gotta give NASCAR a little credit at least. Before with the old system the only driver's that was really trying every week was guys that wasn't locked into the chase. Now you gonna have guys trying to get into the chase, guys with wins already try to get extra chase points and guys that's gonna try to win the regular season so they can get even more bonus points going into the chase. That's if you finish in the top 10 in points. So it's gonna be a lot going on. Is this system gonna make automatically great racing? No. But you're gonna see driver's be more aggressive I think.
 
Elitekilla29
With the old format, no every race didn't matter.
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Please do tell how in a system where all you're doing is counting the total points earned at the end of the season that a race does not matter. My previous post refers to times before the chase, just lay them all out and count them all up, no "playoffs." Consistency is what makes races matter, not winning.
 

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