2017 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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Tak[TEC]
In 2015 at Phillip Island after signing for Red Bull SVG went on to deliberately take out David Reynolds who was running 3rd in the championship at the time and was with Prodrive FPR (Red Bull's main rival at the time) due to not being in the running for anything significant championship or round result-wise. He went on to an interview later on admitting he took him out on purpose because he believed Reynolds moved inwards when approaching for the 1st corner (trying to get a line on the 1st corner is apparently unheard of to SVG at this point) squeezing a 3 car wide 1st corner in a bunched up middle pack.
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I want to see this interview where is it?

Also taking out someone for the name of your brand isn't anything new, especially in Touring Cars. Not sure if you've watched DTM where almost every decision is for your manufacturer. It's unsportsmanlike yes, but it is apart of the game.
 
RESHIRAM5
I want to see this interview where is it?

Also taking out someone for the name of your brand isn't anything new, especially in Touring Cars. Not sure if you've watched DTM where almost every decision is for your manufacturer. It's unsportsmanlike yes, but it is apart of the game.
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Added it in, I tried to originally but for some reason only one video was inserted

Well the argument is on why a fair amount of people are not fans of him, not about the general standards of behavior in touring cars (Granted I can pretty safely assume that drivers that do that on a regular basis aren't immensely popular)
 
prisonermonkeys
Does van Gisbergen pass the beer test?

You're down at the pub having a drink when who should walk in but a racing driver. You offer to buy him a drink, but he's having a bad day and the last thing he wants to talk about is motorsport in any form. So, who is that racing driver?

That's the beer test.
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I appreciate people have bad days cause I have them too.
If I was in his shoes, I'd understand.
Tak[TEC]
You really want me to go about finding sources of all the things he has done.

Well first he faked a retirement in the 2nd to last race in 2012 due to being in "a bad place mentally" even though he just signed a 3 year contract only to return to the series in 2013 conviniently feeling better once his contract under Stone Brothers Racing was gone. This resulted in a court case in 2014 http://www.speedcafe.com/2014/06/30/settlement-ends-van-gisbergen-court-case/

In 2015 at Phillip Island after signing for Red Bull SVG went on to deliberately take out David Reynolds who was running 3rd in the championship at the time and was with Prodrive FPR (Red Bull's main rival at the time) due to not being in the running for anything significant championship or round result-wise. He went on to an interview later on admitting he took him out on purpose because he believed Reynolds pushed him out on the first corner despite SVG jumping in on him mid corner in his blind spot (trying to get a line on the 1st corner is apparently unheard of to SVG at this point) squeezing a 3 car wide 1st corner in a bunched up middle pack.

In the Bathurst 12 hour this year he went into the final stint with worn tyres against Maranello Motorsport Ferrari (placed a good 5-10 seconds ahead in first on brand new tyres) only to hit a front running lower class car off the road, and then put it into the wall going down the mountain only to turn into the middle of the road and stop near the pit entrance. Now the reason why this was seen as quite a bad move is that there is no conceivable way he would not have known the car was gone at that point but he decided to turn into the road rather then away.

These are just some examples, I'm not keen on going on to give even more examples which you can find yourself instead of having me do the work for you.

I'll add in one more thing http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport...a-lot-of-respect-for-shane-van-gisbergen.html
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To answer your three examples, in the first, I'd have got out of that impending disaster anyway I could have. In the second, Reynolds came across the front of SVG on the run up to Hayshed corner, leaving SVG no racing room. I'd have done the same and given him a tour of the scenery too. In the last example, did the officials issue a penalty? Yes. Did his team make him aware of that penalty before he hit the wall exiting The Dipper? Was SVG responsible for deciding tyre strategy? For him to even get close to the car that dominated the race deserves credit.
 
RESHIRAM5
It's unsportsmanlike yes, but it is apart of the game.
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No, it's dangerous and indefensible.

Pete05
I appreciate people have bad days cause I have them too.
If I was in his shoes, I'd understand.
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That's not what I was alluding to.

We admire racing drivers - or any sports person - because we want to believe that we could do what they do, but deep down we know that we couldn't. They are seemingly superhuman, but we want them to be relatable. That's what the beer test is all about: who do we think that we would relate to best when we can't talk about motorsports?
 
Pete05
I appreciate people have bad days cause I have them too.
If I was in his shoes, I'd understand.

To answer your three examples, in the first, I'd have got out of that impending disaster anyway I could have. In the second, Reynolds came across the front of SVG on the run up to Hayshed corner, leaving SVG no racing room. I'd have done the same and given him a tour of the scenery too. In the last example, did the officials issue a penalty? Yes. Did his team make him aware of that penalty before he hit the wall exiting The Dipper? Was SVG responsible for deciding tyre strategy? For him to even get close to the car that dominated the race deserves credit.
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Well you asked why he is disliked, if you were a racing driver it seems like you would be as well. As for the Phillip Island incident, if you come up on a driver's blind spot out of nowhere blasting through the field then cry because he didn't see you (seriously how do you leave racing room to a car that you didn't know existed in that space) then decided to push him off the road intentionally all I can say is I'm very, very glad you aren't a racing driver. For Bathurst he was given a penalty but was not told about it coming down The Dipper he was told afterwards, SVG wasn't really all that responsible for catching up to the Ferrari, he ****ed up in qualifying and well to be honest. Engal did a better job then him overall, why did you think he was so pissed when he smashed it into the wall? You also kind of left out how he just turned into the road before the pit lane entry and then stopped (granted the car was gone, but there was no way he didn't know that so his actions made absolutely no sense)
 
prisonermonkeys
No, it's dangerous and indefensible.
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They aren't mutually exclusive. I do admit how he did it was a bit dangerous but unless there is a rule saying "all actions must be done for you and no one else", the only rule he broke was the rule on crashing into people.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, it's dangerous and indefensible.


That's not what I was alluding to.

We admire racing drivers - or any sports person - because we want to believe that we could do what they do, but deep down we know that we couldn't. They are seemingly superhuman, but we want them to be relatable. That's what the beer test is all about: who do we think that we would relate to best when we can't talk about motorsports?
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In that case, anyone would have a hard time engaging SVG in conversation - he's usually in a car racing or drifting whenever he can. It's public knowledge that it's all about racing for SVG.
Mark Webber? Probably personal fitness
Craig Lowndes? Horses

Who passes the pub test in your book?
 
Pete05
Who passes the pub test in your book?
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Jenson Button. Hayden Paddon. Scott McLaughlin. Colin McRae. Sébastien Loeb. And plenty more.

Pete05
It's public knowledge that it's all about racing for SVG.
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Well, that just makes him boring. There's more to life than motorsport.
 
prisonermonkeys
Jenson Button. Hayden Paddon. Scott McLaughlin. Colin McRae. Sébastien Loeb. And plenty more.


Well, that just makes him boring. There's more to life than motorsport.
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You argue those 5 and more pass the test and then argue SVG is boring since there is more to life than motorsport. Wouldn't that make SVG pass as well.
 
Scott McLaughlin is the man that got me back into Supercars and back into Motorsport for that fact, he is so genuine and honest someone i could happily talk to about anything. Daniel Ricciardo is another that comes to mind
 
RESHIRAM5
You argue those 5 and more pass the test and then argue SVG is boring since there is more to life than motorsport. Wouldn't that make SVG pass as well.
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No, the test is that you buy that person a beer and have a conversation with them - but you can't talk about motorsports. If all SVG is interested in is motorsport, then he fails the beer test because there is nothing to talk about.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, the test is that you buy that person a beer and have a conversation with them - but you can't talk about motorsports. If all SVG is interested in is motorsport, then he fails the beer test because there is nothing to talk about.
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Oh, ok.

To me, SVG seems like the kind of guy who likes to keep stuff private (that's not motorpsports), I never really saw him as a people person anyway (his interviews (especially that one on Saturday where the interviewer pretty much had to change plans and talk to Paul Dumbrell) are examples of that), so I guess him being unpopular isn't much a surprise.
 
All that is why I have a lot of respect for SVG, though I can totally understand how it would be seen as offensive or grating to some people.

I've raced against him / in races with him online many times before and what you see with SVG is exactly what you get. He races hard and gives no quarter, will say 'good race' or 'sorry' whenever either is needed. But he doesn't get caught up in the emotions if he takes someone out or someone takes him out...and that's an immensely strong trait to carry.

Though it doesn't really earn him fans (as seen here), I really respect and admire the calculated and logical element to it. I also think it's helps him out big time on the track. If he wrecks another driver, he doesn't get caught up in the drama of it, but if someone takes him out it's the same reaction the other way around. To some people it may seem callous or cold, but I see it as reasonable and balanced.

Dunno about you guys, but for me, I've made plenty of mistakes in simracing and taken plenty of people out, but I've never meant to, never done it on purpose. In hard racing, sometimes it happens. And we all will have seen the reaction - people get extremely mad, blow up about it, call you all the names under the sun....but that doesn't make anything better. How do those same people go when they're the one taking someone else out? They probably get mad about it then too. There are guys in the Supercar field that do exactly that...

But SVG does not and I respect him for it. He understands that if you're gonna give it, you better be able to take it as well and while you never intentionally set out to ruin someones day, it is a competition and winning is more important than making friends.
 
Pete05
See, I've never fully understood the "He drives a 'brand X' so he's a good/bad guy." thing.

Peter Brock was my first touring car hero & I followed him from Holden, to BMW, to Ford & back to Holden. Even supported him in the Volvo Supertourer but the brief dalliance with Lada was a stretch.

Now, I'm a Lowndes fan & have been since he graduated from karts.

Having said that, they never got a free pass & one-eyed support if they messed up.

Bottom line: I admire drivers with talent that are likeable on & off the track.
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Yeah but those guys didn't/don't act like tools. I can name some RBR drivers that do though... No one here as far as I can tell other than the Nissan employee, likes a certain group of drivers based on a brand.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Yeah but those guys didn't/don't act like tools. I can name some RBR drivers that do though... No one here as far as I can tell other than the Nissan employee, likes a certain group of drivers based on a brand.
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It's nice to see them up front every once in a while, but I'd cheer for Caruso over the other 3 based on his personality alone. I've been a Ford fan since I started watching, so I was rooting for Scotty last night for sure.
 
R1600Turbo
It's nice to see them up front every once in a while, but I'd cheer for Caruso over the other 3 based on his personality alone. I've been a Ford fan since I started watching, so I was rooting for Scotty last night for sure.
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I agree with Pete though, cheering based on a manufacture is silly and hard to understand.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I agree with Pete though, cheering based on a manufacture is silly and hard to understand.
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That's pretty much what Supercars has been about for years. :lol: Not saying it's right, it's just the way that it is.
 
Was a diehard Holden man until Volvo came in.

Now that Volvo is gone I'm cheering for Scotty and Fabs, as they both seem like awesome people, and SCotty has the Volvo connection.

Just a shame at what manufacture they're pedaling.
 
R1600Turbo
That's pretty much what Supercars has been about for years. :lol: Not saying it's right, it's just the way that it is.
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I'm well aware, it happens in nascar too and even with drivers. Just see it as a fool's goal.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I'm well aware, it happens in nascar too and even with drivers. Just see it as a fool's goal.
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It's alrignt "LMS CORVETTE". ;) It's all love. 👍 :p

Man! I avoided posting anything for fear of jinxng Fabs. He did a good job. Satisfied with that outcome. But when the #17 & #12 were running 1, 2, I almost broke. Remained calm and didn't get hyped.

The strategy for the #12 was wrong on Sunday. Left him out too long and should have filled him with more. Even though he wasn't settled in the car, the lighter fuel load may have helped toward the finish(was weird that cars were conserving. Must have been do to the faster tyre).

Scotty. I was disappointed, but happy DJRTP finished 2nd twice. They are becoming the Ferrari to Red Bull. I'll take that. The cars are fast.

PRA need to look at their drivers for next year. The old dogs can't hang. Sure, Frosty won the C'hip, but Chaz would have won it that year. He's their best driver and clearly Waters is ready to fight.

Simona did great. Finished and didn't finish last.
Todd and his luck. He still needs to sit down though. Hand over the keys.
Rick was alright, but needs to qualy better.
Caruso was there, but the car is off or on.

Can't wait for the Grand Prix.
 
05XR8
It's alrignt "LMS CORVETTE". ;) It's all love. 👍 :p

Man! I avoided posting anything for fear of jinxng Fabs. He did a good job. Satisfied with that outcome. But when the #17 & #12 were running 1, 2, I almost broke. Remained calm and didn't get hyped.

The strategy for the #12 was wrong on Sunday. Left him out too long and should have filled him with more. Even though he wasn't settled in the car, the lighter fuel load may have helped toward the finish(was weird that cars were conserving. Must have been do to the faster tyre).

Scotty. I was disappointed, but happy DJRTP finished 2nd twice. They are becoming the Ferrari to Red Bull. I'll take that. The cars are fast.

PRA need to look at their drivers for next year. The old dogs can't hang. Sure, Frosty won the C'hip, but Chaz would have won it that year. He's their best driver and clearly Waters is ready to fight.

Simona did great. Finished and didn't finish last.
Todd and his luck. He still needs to sit down though. Hand over the keys.
Rick was alright, but needs to qualy better.
Caruso was there, but the car is off or on.

Can't wait for the Grand Prix.
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Oh I see you pick the one racing series where it's far easier to follow a manufacture or team...good job. Also I picked my name cause of the success of the Corvette Racing team, not purely because of fandom. Other than that I don't see how the same really works in V8s or any other series with multiple non related teams under the same marque.
 
I was all about Holden when I was about 10 (meant every birthday up until recently my uncle and aunty would still but me Holden junk) but as you grow up and as it also became less important to drivers you realise it's not really sustainable. I just go for good racing.
 
Andrew R
I was all about Holden when I was about 10 (meant every birthday up until recently my uncle and aunty would still but me Holden junk) but as you grow up and as it also became less important to drivers you realise it's not really sustainable. I just go for good racing.
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Exactly how I use to be about it.
 
Andrew R
I was all about Holden when I was about 10 (meant every birthday up until recently my uncle and aunty would still but me Holden junk) but as you grow up and as it also became less important to drivers you realise it's not really sustainable. I just go for good racing.
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I have the same effect but I still do have my Holden pride. I guess you can blame my Dad as we have a bit of a rivalry with him rooting for Ford and me rooting for Holden.

I don't mind people rooting for marques especially if you're new to motorsport since it'll like watching a Football game and it'll be easier to follow. People do tend to grow out of it if they go into Hardcore fan and watch more than just Supercars and its support races.
 
I've always been a Ford fan, if only because yellow was (and still is) my favourite colour growing up, and there was always a yellow Ford. It's also why I have been a life-long DJR fan.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Oh I see you pick the one racing series where it's far easier to follow a manufacture or team...good job. Also I picked my name cause of the success of the Corvette Racing team, not purely because of fandom. Other than that I don't see how the same really works in V8s or any other series with multiple non related teams under the same marque.
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I was born into a GM & Chrysler family. Stock Cars pretty much up to hearing the name Al Unser Jr. Then, Indy.

I actually picked my personal cars from race cars/manufacturers I liked. Not because of them winning. I think Jean Alesi, Berger and Barrichello, made me like the driver over the team. Except for Honda/Acura. BTCC & Speedvision TC, made me stick with Honda/Acura for 10years('97-'07). Honda/Mugen F1 were the icing in the cake.
In V8s, there is no choice but to pick sides. I picked Ford because the cars had that "European" look I loved, just from the headlight design. Nothing to do with the engines, wins(I wasn't even a Whincup fan when they ran Falcons), Lowndes, Dick Johnson. The Holdens just looked flimsy. I did switch to Erebus for those 3 years as well as AMG F1.
If things pan out I may even buy an Alfa. :)
 
I don't really understand the whole following drivers only from a certain manufacturer, I remember back when Courtney was racing for Ford with SBR and DJR (I liked him straight away since he was an Australian who was just in the JGTC or Super GT as it's known now). After he left to go to HRT it's not like everything I liked about him just disappeared, I wasn't a huge fan of Whincup when he drove for Ford either. Following your favorite drivers shouldn't just stop because they changed what car they're driving
 
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