2017 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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Is Lexus ever going to get involved? Or just stick with doing the SC?

I have to say, I'm not a huge fan of that arrangement. Lexus providing just the safety car doesn't really do much to enhance the series or the grid - it just takes a marketing opportunity away from the manufacturers who have made a full commitment to the series.

In or out, this "dipping the toe in" approach from lexus has grown old. Stop being chickens and jump right in!!
 
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Is Lexus ever going to get involved? Or just stick with doing the SC?

I have to say, I'm not a huge fan of that arrangement. Lexus providing just the safety car doesn't really do much to enhance the series or the grid - it just takes a marketing opportunity away from the manufacturers who have made a full commitment to the series.

In or out, this "dipping the toe in" approach from lexus has grown old. Stop being chickens and jump right in!!
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Chickens? They don't seem interested at all, nor are they afraid they just started a program for the biggest racing competition possible, GT3. If they win all over the world in that alone they don't need Supercars to prove anything. Especially with this idea of being a touring/sedan series even with the gen 2 regs. There is no benefit. Perhaps Toyota but then again Toyota have so many other things to their name right now they too don't need it. So if the mother company isn't going to, their luxury wing isn't either.

Also there are only two manufactures that have made a commitment. And if this is such an issue then they shouldn't be plastered on the side of an f1 car just because of a manufacture alliance. Lexus has for some time been about using racing as a marketing exploit and less about actually racing in it.

I still say there is a major reason why VASC isn't getting manufactures, and to me it's a bit obvious.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Porsche now supply the safety car. I'm not sure about the medical car or other support vehicles, though.
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Hmm I must have missed that durinng Adelaide...I was watching Improved Production last night and they were using a Lexus SC.
 
Toyota race in New Zealand Super Tourers. With Chevy engines.

I guess this is why TCR would be such a threat here. Production car racing also look good. In saying that, its not doom and gloom. Racers still want to try these cars. The formula is right. Problem is, if a new manufacturer come in today, they need Betty or Penske money.
 
The Toyota NZST car looks so awesome.
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That is not a Chevy motor, unless it grew camshafts in it's heads.

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TLX spec cars

Engine: Toyota 5.0L, Nissan 5.4L, Holden 6.2L, Ford 5.4L

Horsepower: 560

NZ made Mitchell Extreme space frame chassis

Body: Manufacturer dependent – Toyota Camry, Holden Commodore, Nissan Altima, Ford Falcon.

Gearbox: TT Industries 6-speed sequential

Diff: 9” Ford

Brakes: PFC 355x32mm front, 232x28mm rear ventilated rotors

Shocks: Penske shock absorbers

Weight: 1370KG with driver

Onboard Computer: Motec
 
IforceV8
That is not a Chevy motor, unless it grew camshafts in it's heads.

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TLX spec cars

Engine: Toyota 5.0L, Nissan 5.4L, Holden 6.2L, Ford 5.4L

Horsepower: 560

NZ made Mitchell Extreme space frame chassis

Body: Manufacturer dependent – Toyota Camry, Holden Commodore, Nissan Altima, Ford Falcon.

Gearbox: TT Industries 6-speed sequential

Diff: 9” Ford

Brakes: PFC 355x32mm front, 232x28mm rear ventilated rotors

Shocks: Penske shock absorbers

Weight: 1370KG with driver

Onboard Computer: Motec
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Then there you go. Thought they ran 7L V8s. Forgot the two specs:


NZ TOURING CARS

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CLASS ONE
V8 SuperTourer spec cars

Pace Innovations Australia chassis, the same manufacture of the V8 SuperCars chassis



Engine: 7.0L all alloy fuel injected Chev LS7 V8

Horsepower: 575HP @ 6200 RPM

Body: Holden VE Commodore or Ford FG Falcon

Gearbox: Quaife 6-Speed sequential

Diff: 9” Ford

Brakes: Brembo 380mm front rotors, 355mm Rear rotors

Shocks:KW Shock absorbers

Weight: 1300KG with driver

Onboard Computer: Link


Must be a serious reason why they won't run in Supercars.
 
05XR8
Toyota race in New Zealand Super Tourers. With Chevy engines.

I guess this is why TCR would be such a threat here. Production car racing also look good. In saying that, its not doom and gloom. Racers still want to try these cars. The formula is right. Problem is, if a new manufacturer come in today, they need Betty or Penske money.
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You've hit part of the obvious problem on the head. Still another reason why I'm pretty sure VASC is failing to the get manufactures, @prisonermonkeys can probably guess why, he (and many of us) dislike this person in the garage to a great extent.

As for drivers, drivers will love anything fast and part of a high paying premier series. It's like saying "drivers still love and wanna race NASCAR or Indy", doesn't make the series a long term viability because of such.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
You've hit part of the obvious problem on the head. Still another reason why I'm pretty sure VASC is failing to the get manufactures, @prisonermonkeys can probably guess why, he (and many of us) dislike this person in the garage to a great extent.

As for drivers, drivers will love anything fast and part of a high paying premier series. It's like saying "drivers still love and wanna race NASCAR or Indy", doesn't make the series a long term viability because of such.
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Certainly. I'm not implying that. I'm saying the series ain't dead. Regardless of the cars that stay or go. People are seeing more of the series today. More exposure blah, blah, blah.
 
05XR8
Certainly. I'm not implying that. I'm saying the series ain't dead. Regardless of the cars that stay or go. People are seeing more of the series today. More exposure blah, blah, blah.
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I know what you're saying, what did you think I was saying you implied. You just said there are drivers who want to drive and a good formula seems to be there. That's not a long term, and hardly a decent short term. The moment Nissan leaves, the series may soon die. So it's good that Nissan still see some opportunity to claim former glory. However, if they do win for some time, how long do you think they'll stay before they too leave and it is just Holden?

"People are seeing more of the series today" What does that even mean? It's exposed big whoop, so is other racing series that are premier class. Doesn't mean that people will stay interested if it becomes a glorified one make.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I know what you're saying, what did you think I was saying you implied. You just said there are drivers who want to drive and a good formula seems to be there. That's not a long term, and hardly a decent short term. The moment Nissan leaves, the series may soon die. So it's good that Nissan still see some opportunity to claim former glory. However, if they do win for some time, how long do you think they'll stay before they too leave and it is just Holden?

"People are seeing more of the series today" What does that even mean? It's exposed big whoop, so is other racing series that are premier class. Doesn't mean that people will stay interested if it becomes a glorified one make.
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Some people said it would die if other manufacturers came in. Some said it would die if only Ford and Holden remain. If it becomes a Holden one make, doesn't mean it will die either. Red Bull win nearly every race weekend. People still watch and attend. Kia not coming in(and if no other manufacturer ever joins), doesn't mean the series will tank.

This:
http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/on-this-day-v8-supercars-era-is-born/
I didn't know about Australian V8 Supercars until watching them on Speedvision. The series still went on. I'm not arguing about drivers and such. Only about the sport continuing on.
 
05XR8
Some people said it would die if other manufacturers came in. Some said it would die if only Ford and Holden remain. If it becomes a Holden one make, doesn't mean it will die either. Red Bull win nearly every race weekend. People still watch and attend. Kia not coming in(and if no other manufacturer ever joins), doesn't mean the series will tank.

This:
http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/on-this-day-v8-supercars-era-is-born/
I didn't know about Australian V8 Supercars until watching them on Speedvision. The series still went on. I'm not arguing about drivers and such. Only about the sport continuing on.
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People attend due to a deep nationalism around the series, it's an identity, but the international audience may leave quite easily that's my point. What makes VASC grow is the international world. If it wants to be another domestic series then that's fine.

I still don't see the series progressing and I see it declining even.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
People attend due to a deep nationalism around the series, it's an identity, but the international audience may leave quite easily that's my point. What makes VASC grow is the international world. If it wants to be another domestic series then that's fine.

I still don't see the series progressing and I see it declining even.
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Now I see your point.


Inside Supercars interviewing Giz. Good stuff.
 
Pete05
The internationals must have low standards & be desperate to drive a Supercar if they want to drive for LDM.
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Hey, it's a way in, and opportunities for international drivers are limited.
 
Maybe LDM should hold an auction for the seat?
Highest bidder that ticks the Superlicence requirements box loses, err, I mean, wins.
 
Pete05
Maybe LDM should hold an auction for the seat?
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Would they accept monopoly money?
Pete05
Highest bidder that ticks the Superlicence requirements box loses, err, I mean, wins.
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Highest bidder gets to drive that weekend. Second highest bidder gets to drive for them for the rest of the year. :lol:
 
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Spacegoat
Would they accept monopoly money?


Highest bidder gets to drive that weekend. Second highest bidder gets to drive for them for the rest of the year. :lol:
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:lol: Probably

But, then again, what would you do next time you wanted to play Monopoly?

Come to think of it, I value my Monopoly more. No deal
 
Did a quick video of the circuit. Video sound is off.


From Turn 3, halfway down is the park on the right, for Turns 4 & 5. Turn 6 is to the right of Telford Street.

Left @turn 7, leads us down Fort Scratchley(the sounds of all types of cars racing, will be incredible from Turn 1 to Nobby's Beach). When I turn left at the roundabout, VASC show the track turning right into the parking lot, loop through the park and back out. The proposal is to have the cars run straight through the roundabout and loop out to the exit of the parking lot back onto the Foreshore(pit straight).

Just found out, one of the divisions in the company I work for, has one of the contracts for soil testing or engineering(location of utilities). I'll see how much I can find out tomorrow.

Anyways, instead of the Turn 2 in my video, Council wanted the track to go up and turn at the next intersection. It's just not safe enough a run, as VASC mentioned. Wilder than the downhill section of Monaco and off camber.

Lots of work to do in a bit over 7 months.
 
It's a bummer that they're not using the esplanade section anymore, it looked like a load of fun on the map. The original design looks a bit tedious with 90 degree lefts and rights. With that last section of track before the right hander onto the main straight, are they keeping the hairpin shown on the second layout? Or are the going back to the loop style layout? The article on the Supercars website just gave way to many mixed messages.
 
05XR8
Did a quick video of the circuit. Video sound is off.


From Turn 3, halfway down is the park on the right, for Turns 4 & 5. Turn 6 is to the right of Telford Street.

Left @turn 7, leads us down Fort Scratchley(the sounds of all types of cars racing, will be incredible from Turn 1 to Nobby's Beach). When I turn left at the roundabout, VASC show the track turning right into the parking lot, loop through the park and back out. The proposal is to have the cars run straight through the roundabout and loop out to the exit of the parking lot back onto the Foreshore(pit straight).

Just found out, one of the divisions in the company I work for, has one of the contracts for soil testing or engineering(location of utilities). I'll see how much I can find out tomorrow.

Anyways, instead of the Turn 2 in my video, Council wanted the track to go up and turn at the next intersection. It's just not safe enough a run, as VASC mentioned. Wilder than the downhill section of Monaco and off camber.

Lots of work to do in a bit over 7 months.
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Even though it's a bit more dangerous, man would it have been cool to see. That would have been a wild section.

Actually, wait.

Are we getting this layout?
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Or the opening half of this layout with the second half of the first one?
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Based on the article on the Supercars website, they say we're getting the December layout, which is the top layout that will utilize Church St/Shortland Espenlade to Zarra St.
 
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It'll be the bottom "original" layout.


From Supercars site:
The inaugural Coates Hire Newcastle 500 will be contested on the layout announced with Council and the New South Wales Government in December, Supercars has confirmed.

A mooted move to an alternate route along Shortland Esplanade just eight months out from the November 24-26 event has been deemed unviable.

Confirmation from Supercars that the circuit will not be altered comes alongside the Newcastle City Council’s decision to fast-track a planned $8.8 million public works program for the area.

It will include the renewal of roads, footpaths and kerbs throughout the precinct, while additional roadworks will also be funded and undertaken by Supercars in the lead-up to the event.

A Supercars statement stressed engineering and safety concerns would prevent moving part of the circuit to Shortland Esplanade.
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http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-confirms-unchanged-newcastle-layout/

It reads like a jumbled story in Supercars.com and Speedcafe.com. However, the last sentence clarifies the circuit not moving to Shortland Esplanade.

LumpiestFish
It's a bummer that they're not using the esplanade section anymore, it looked like a load of fun on the map. The original design looks a bit tedious with 90 degree lefts and rights. With that last section of track before the right hander onto the main straight, are they keeping the hairpin shown on the second layout? Or are the going back to the loop style layout? The article on the Supercars website just gave way to many mixed messages.
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Doesn't make the end of the lap clear. Either way is possible. It'll be a long straight to Nobby's. So, don't know if VASC will want to slow them down and keep the left hander or have them go through the roundabout.
 
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