2017 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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The race for teams and driver's championship, feels so different now.
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http://www.supercars.com/championsh...a-supercars-championship-points/?sf72587728=1
 
http://www.supercars.com/news/champ...ates-hire-newcastle-500-tickets/?sf73023778=1
Defending Supercars Champion Shane van Gisbergen will join other Supercars stars including Craig Lowndes, 2015 Championship winner Mark Winterbottom, the first full-time female driver in the Supercars era Simona De Silvestro, three-time Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000 winner Garth Tander and Nick Percat, Scott Pye, Lee Holdsworth and David Reynolds.

The drivers will be signing autographs for fans at 10:15am-10:45am and 12:00pm-12:30pm
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LMSCorvetteGT2
Don't see an issue with it.
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Uniqueness. I watch V8's because they are so different from almost everything else out there. You start to make them the same as everything else, I become less interested. Takes more talent to let go of the wheel and shift while turning anyway. :p Or down shift with the back of your wrist like SVG. :lol:
 
Roland just doesn't want to by someone else's invention.:sly:
 
R1600Turbo
Uniqueness. I watch V8's because they are so different from almost everything else out there. You start to make them the same as everything else, I become less interested. Takes more talent to let go of the wheel and shift while turning anyway. :p Or down shift with the back of your wrist like SVG. :lol:
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They're not different in that aspect, there is plenty of series that run sequential. At that point what does it matter if it's paddle in nature or stick. It's all sequential, if it was something NASCAR used or the old school gear boxes I could see your point, but once again this aspect isn't one that makes V8s unique or not.

I mean to me it seemed effortless for SVG to do that since it's sequential. I've seen rally drivers do that several times over the years. Doesn't change the fact that SVG is a great driver.
 
R1600Turbo
http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/04/26/t8-pushing-paddle-shift-gearboxes-supercars/

Please no.
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^^^ This.

What's next? Traction control? ABS?

If they bring in flappy paddles, it cancels out the possibility of there ever being another missed shift in Supercars. Granted they're a rarity nowadays but, they're still possible.
Also, it introduces another electrical connection & all its little do das that can go wrong.
Anyone ever tried to push start a flappy paddle when it's stuck in neutral?
I can remember the same thing happening to Ari Vatanen in a Subaru rally car.

 
Pete05
^^^ This.

What's next? Traction control? ABS?

If they bring in flappy paddles, it cancels out the possibility of there ever being another missed shift in Supercars. Granted they're a rarity nowadays but, they're still possible.
Also, it introduces another electrical connection & all its little do das that can go wrong.
Anyone ever tried to push start a flappy paddle when it's stuck in neutral?
I can remember the same thing happening to Ari Vatanen in a Subaru rally car.
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How do you manage to miss a gear with a sequential gear box? Also considering how many teams screw up starts in cars with paddle shift, I don't see a problem.

I'm confused how something that is 20+ years old in technology is still looked down upon to have this "back in my day mentality". The analogy you use isn't even comparable other than I guess the supposed electronic connection which is still there with sequential gear boxes.
 
At this stage, I don't mind the paddle shift. The cars will still have attitude and be a handful. ABS and TCS still don't compensate for the narrow tyres, as well as the locked diff(I don't know how effective each would be in a current VASC).

R1600Turbo
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Can't wait to hear the discussion about this, on Inside Supercars.
 
Funny, people said sequential would destroy he racing. New manufacturers would destroy the racing. One tyre manufacturer would destroy the racing. Ptoject Blueprint would destroy the racing.Ford leaving would destroy the racing.

We've see some of the best racing, in this category, yet. We'll see what happens, if anything.

Track map for the Newwie race.
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http://www.supercars.com/newcastle/circuit/
 
I'm not keen on paddle shifters either. Just waters down the experience in my opinion. They're meant to be big awkward brutes, the paddles just don't seem right.
 
Very happy that they've chosen that Newcastle layout. The beach side section should be great.
 
Andrew R
I'm not keen on paddle shifters either. Just waters down the experience in my opinion. They're meant to be big awkward brutes, the paddles just don't seem right.
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They're still big awkward brutes.
I'd rather H-patterns. How cool was it to sew V8 racers shift from 5th to 2nd?

Thing is, there isn't much else to do in the cockpit of a VASC(brake bias and anti-roll bar). Which leaves the handling. Bounding over kerbs, two-wheelin', one wheel in the air flat out, big nose dives under braking, that won't change.

One thing about the paddles though, how it applies to the TTV6. Can the transmission be mapped with boost? What's the difference in shift times between seq and paddles, in regards to the engine staying on boost? I'd like to know if this is a problem in tandem with Roland using the "safety" card.
 
05XR8
They're still big awkward brutes.
I'd rather H-patterns. How cool was it to sew V8 racers shift from 5th to 2nd?

Thing is, there isn't much else to do in the cockpit of a VASC(brake bias and anti-roll bar). Which leaves the handling. Bounding over kerbs, two-wheelin', one wheel in the air flat out, big nose dives under braking, that won't change.

One thing about the paddles though, how it applies to the TTV6. Can the transmission be mapped with boost? What's the difference in shift times between seq and paddles, in regards to the engine staying on boost? I'd like to know if this is a problem in tandem with Roland using the "safety" card.
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Racing drivers haven't been "big brutes" (such a strange image some of you have) for some time now. I feel what will never change is the style of racing that really makes Supercars the great series it is, the drivers hang it all out and run each other hard. Tell me another sport that would have allowed for 3 cars from the same factory team to bang on each other in the final laps for position.

The excitement and greatness was lost when h-pattern racing gearboxes became outdated. Watching a driver heel-toe and shift with precision through the gears or have to short shift due to a lost gear and basically just trying to figure it all out is fun. Same stuff still happens but to a lesser extent in both sequential and paddle, neither of which is all that exciting to watch. More to watching them wrestle the wheel door to door seems to be the most exciting. That's isn't going to change.

Also many of these guys probably wouldn't mind considering they've driven race cars with them. SVG I'm sure would be fine either way.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Racing drivers haven't been "big brutes" (such a strange image some of you have) for some time now. I feel what will never change is the style of racing that really makes Supercars the great series it is, the drivers hang it all out and run each other hard. Tell me another sport that would have allowed for 3 cars from the same factory team to bang on each other in the final laps for position.

The excitement and greatness was lost when h-pattern racing gearboxes became outdated. Watching a driver heel-toe and shift with precision through the gears or have to short shift due to a lost gear and basically just trying to figure it all out is fun. Same stuff still happens but to a lesser extent in both sequential and paddle, neither of which is all that exciting to watch. More to watching them wrestle the wheel door to door seems to be the most exciting. That's isn't going to change.

Also many of these guys probably wouldn't mind considering they've driven race cars with them. SVG I'm sure would be fine either way.
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I thought @LumpiestFish meant the cars as big brutes.

About the Newcastle track, it is like a mirror of Monaco. I'd love to see a side by side video. It's going to be narrow like Monaco, no doubt.

What's cool is, views of Newcastle Beach, Nobby's Beach and the Foreshore. Helicopter coverage will be awesome. The in-car down Shortland Esplanade and the run down Fort Scratchley will be a treat for the drivers.

Time of day shouldn't to be a major factor as I think it's Daylight Savings. Wet conditions and high winds work well in Newwie(NOT). Newcastle was under water back in 2007.


Inside Supercars fun fact: The record pole lap(1:29.0) by Scottie, would have put him on pole in last year's Moto GP race. :eek:
 
IforceV8
Kelly and all of his natural talent have had him away from a podium since 2011, he might want to consider trying something new.;)
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He has a valid point though.
 
IforceV8
If he wants a real challenge then he should try racing w/o a cool suit or fresh air supply to his helmet again since he is such a purist.;)
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Eh, to each their own.
 
05XR8
Inside Supercars fun fact: The record pole lap(1:29.0) by Scottie, would have put him on pole in last year's Moto GP race. :eek:
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No way he didn't! Show the me the evidence
 
CLowndes888
No way he didn't! Show the me the evidence
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Hey, Neil Crompton said it.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/results/234643/1/motogp-australia-full-qualifying-results.html

Qualifying 2:

1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 30.189s [Lap 7/8] 325km/h (Top Speed)
2. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 30.981s +0.792s [8/8] 327km/h
3. Pol Espargaro ESP Monster Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 31.107s +0.918s [9/9] 326km/h
4. Aleix Espargaro ESP Team Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 31.673s +1.484s [9/9] 321km/h
5. Jack Miller AUS Estrella Galicia 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 31.754s +1.565s [8/8] 325km/h
6. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 32.420s +2.231s [8/8] 322km/h
7. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (RC213V) 1m 32.944s +2.755s [8/8] 319km/h
8. Stefan Bradl GER Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 33.015s +2.826s [8/8] 320km/h
9. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP) 1m 33.090s +2.901s [4/7] 330km/h
10. Hector Barbera ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP) 1m 33.914s +3.725s [5/9] 333km/h
11. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac Yakhnich (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 34.682s +4.493s [3/7] 322km/h
12. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Movistar Yamaha MotoGP (YZR-M1) 1m 36.840s +6.651s [8/9] 320km/h

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/results...l-qualifying-results.html#y73ZpiiyVQG9pkTk.99
 
Spacegoat
That's quite mind blowing. Never would have picked that a supercar would go around Phillip Island quicker than a MotoGP bike. :crazy:
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I couldn't believe that either. I thought a bike's acceleration and braking, would be more than enough to trump a (V8)Supercar.
 
05XR8
I thought a bike's acceleration and braking, would be more than enough to trump a (V8)Supercar.
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Same.

Top end too. Don't know exactly what the Supercars do down the main straight but it's got to be significantly less than the 320+ the bikes are pulling. :crazy:
 
Spacegoat
Same.

Top end too. Don't know exactly what the Supercars do down the main straight but it's got to be significantly less than the 320+ the bikes are pulling. :crazy:
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During last nights video of Simona's ride day with a champion surfer, they mentioned "185mph" and "280 kilometers". So I figure it would be the later.
 
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