I don't mean to be rude but I think you should get off your soapbox...Parity?
While it certainly was exiting to watch (edit: well, the second half was, the first half was just demoralising), it was a Bradbury win for Payne/Tander because even in the wet is was embarrassing how easily the Camaro's where overtaking the Ford's down Conrod.
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Edit: Also, Warburton's statement that ''Long-term, Supercars now has the chance to mandate one-off altitude-related tweaks before the next visit to Bathurst'' is an absolute joke. Two ****en years DJR have been waiting for this barometric testing.
Ford has had to wait three years on everything/anything to be resolved in the Gen 3 era for parity. What happens if the Toyota happens to be a jet, a jet that isn't to be put through the stringent engine parity testing until at least mid season? Three more years of unfairness?
It's a ****en joke that rain cannot continue to hide!
GM/Supercars need to get with the program and switch from their boat anchor to the Corvette LT dual overhead cam engine (don't get me wrong, I love the old boat anchor LS engines, just not for this series in current form).
I don't mean to be rude but I think you should get off your soapbox...
Didn't look unfair to me.That's something the one-eyed GM/GMH flogs on FB that don't care about parity and don't want a fair race would say...
Didn't look unfair to me.
It was proven by Supercars own testing, so it's not just me on my soapbox.Parity is the foundation of the Supercars Championship. Without it, there is no competition.
For two years, Ford teams have demanded engine testing at Bathurst barometric pressures. For two years, Supercars delayed. Then, before the 2025 Repco Bathurst 1000, they finally conducted the testing at their own facility, with their own equipment, under their own methodology.
And the results are irrefutable.
Despite making the same power at sea-level, at 92kPa barometric pressure (Bathurst conditions) the GM engine produces up to an additional 10 horsepower over the Ford engine above 5,900 rpm, where the engine operates for 94% of a lap of Mount Panorama at full throttle.
This data explains why the Mustang is slower than the Camaro in a straight line at Bathurst – double the deficit at sea-level circuits.
Supercars’ Director of Powertrains at their facility, developed a technical solution to correct this proven disparity: a 1mm larger restrictor and revised engine calibration.
Supercars have failed to implement it on the basis that GM declined to agree to it.
James Warburton said his job is to ensure “anyone in any brand in any team can walk through the gates at any race track and actually win the race.”
Supercars chose consultation with GM over correction. They chose politics over parity. They confirmed the problem exists. They know how to fix it. They chose not to.
We asked the Stewards whether Supercars’ failure to implement the fix breached the category’s parity obligations and the FIA International Sporting Code (ISC) obligation of fairness, under their supreme authority to settle any matter which may arise during an event, also under the ISC.
After considerable deliberation, whilst not offering an opinion as to the merits of the protest, the Stewards determined that they lacked the necessary jurisdiction to apply the remedy sought.
We accept their decision, we move on.
To our fans: You’ve watched this unfold for two years. You’ve seen the numbers from the speed trap on Conrod Straight. You’ve heard the promises. Now you know the facts. Supercars’ own testing has validated that there is no parity at Bathurst.
We will race hard on Sunday. We always do. But winning will require us to be more extraordinary than ever, as we will do so knowing we’re racing with one hand tied behind our back.
We know the cost of speaking out. But the integrity of this sport depends on someone being willing to say publicly what Supercars have said themselves in their own report.
We didn’t come to Bathurst to make excuses. We came to win. Supercars can silence the fix. They can’t silence the facts.
We have been extraordinary today; we will be even more extraordinary tomorrow.
I haven’t watched the race series as much as you in these last few years and I saw clearly the disparity in pace. The Camaro, especially the T8 and Golding Camaros, were ridiculously quick in both conditions. The only way the Mustang had a chance was with the attrition. Up and down the straights was clear to see the speed difference.Didn't look unfair to me.
Most likely because I started watching it at like 2:15PM or something.![]()
How could you not see the straight line advantage the GM's had?
Check my edit in my previous reply. I wasn't sure if you had but only seeing the last part says it all.Most likely because I started watching it at like 2:15PM or something.
If it's such a problem, why did a Mustang win?Check my edit in my previous reply. I wasn't sure if you had but only seeing the last part says it all.
Did you watch any of the race? I mean at all?If it's such a problem, why did a Mustang win?
Supercars have to be extremely thankful for the weather happening when it did. Because it was shaping up to be another fairly boring one, with the T8 cars and #99 looking like they were going disappear into the distance. The Camaro's obviously still had that straight line advantage but I felt the rain masked it a little in the middle and fairly late into the race, as neither car was really reaching their ultimate top speed down straights. Again it's just a shame that this is still is an issue all these years into this generation of cars.While it certainly was exiting to watch (edit: well, the second half was, the first half was just demoralising), it was a Bradbury win for Payne/Tander because even in the wet is was embarrassing how easily the Camaro's where overtaking the Ford's down Conrod.
So you're suggesting that Golding only got ahead because of parity instead of skill? The Camaros weren't leaving the Mustangs for dead so I fail to see your point.Did you watch any of the race? I mean at all?
Because the two leading Camaro's had a coming together and let Payne through (edit: That's why I mentioned Bradbury). Then one still got back past Payne but had a five second penalty meaning he went back to third and Payne won. FFS, Payne didn't even cross the finish line first![]()
RainIf it's such a problem, why did a Mustang win?
He certainly had an advantage down Conrod that Payne could not match... even in the wet. But your question was already answered, because the two leading Camaro's had an incident that let Payne win... it was a Bradbury win.So you're suggesting that Golding only got ahead because of parity instead of skill? The Camaros weren't leaving the Mustangs for dead so I fail to see your point.
At least they got their money's worth.Double publicity for Pizza Hut...
Be a downer then. Let your cynicism take the joy out of a fantastic race and completely kill the mood.He certainly had an advantage down Conrod that Payne could not match... even in the wet. But your question was already answered, because the two leading Camaro's had an incident that let Payne win... it was a Bradbury win.
Be a downer then. Let your cynicism take the joy out of a fantastic race and completely kill the mood.
Just remember that you missed the bit where it was just stupidly obvious how uneven the cars were. If it hadn't rained the race would've been another complete snooze-fest.Parity?
While it certainly was exiting to watch (edit: well, the second half was, the first half was just demoralising)
There wasn't an obvious advantage.
Just remember that you missed the bit where it was just stupidly obvious how uneven the cars were. If it hadn't rained the race would've been another complete snooze-fest.
The second half, as I have already said, was exiting to watch albeit a bit top-end speed lopsided still.
I'm not sure how you couldn't notice how easily the Camaro's passed Payne down Conrod and that the only time Payne nearly made a pass down conrod was when he unsettled the Camaro out of Forrest's and then side drafted.
You seem unwilling to acknowledge that there was any sort of advantage to the Camaro at Bathurst at all... odd really, especially when it's a proven fact. Facts don't kill the mood, burying your head in the sand might though.
Yeah, once I knew Brown was making up spots just seems like it’s a two car race.
Both Skaife and Crompton just blatantly ignoring the closing speed of the Camaro's down Conrod into the chase is hilarious. Normally they would gush over how quick certain cars are in a straight line but today, crickets. Wonder why? 🤔![]()
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Heavy rain on the radar. Expected in 10 minutes. Not sure how these teams are reading the weather.
Okay, now I don't know what to think. The race has completely changed. Its wide open.
Sure, it was wide open, but mainly for the Camaros. It was Golding's race to lose. Which he did.Exactly. Nice to see different numbered cars although Erebus aren’t too far behind.
That is an absolutely brilliant idea 👏👏👏If I'm Toyota I'm pushing hard to get Supercars to release another REC. Have it be purely Gazoo sponsored and treat it as the car that former 86 series and Super 2 champs graduate into. Keeps BJR at four cars which he's obviously happy to run.
The difference I think I've been noticing hasn't been top end per se, because it seems pretty even when the cars run by themselves (or side by side), but the Camaro seems to be able to suck up to the back of the Mustang in the slipstream really, really well and it doesn't seem to work at all the other way round.
Any thoughts?
Think Toyota talked about wanting there to be a direct pathway for drivers from the 86 series to the main game. Maybe there's a Super 2 team willing to step up, to run the REC, with BJR looking after the car. Either way it would give another young guy an opportunity and also avoids the awkward situation of BJR and SCT sharing a pit.That is an absolutely brilliant idea 👏👏👏
Retirement went well, I see.And on another note, Roland's back![]()