4 wheel drift

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Hey all I just executed a 4 wheel drift in the mini, doing both a side brake and braking drift. I will try to get some pics or a movie up. Has anyone else found this extremely easy?
 
BLAH BLAH BLAH, it wasnt a great example, and 4 wheel drifts are excutable in vechicles other than 4wd. I KNOW THIS! But to drift a car without steering input is a sort a 4 wheel drift. Im not saying im the dorikun merely that it was easy to achieve, call it what you may, it however, was a drift.
 
How do you know this..Tell me how you know this exactly..Tell me how losing traction in ALL 4 Tires on a car that isn't AWD is a drift...;;;
 
By definition a drift is a controlled slide, which is a loss of traction in two more tires, through a corner. So if he had control but all four tires lost traction, then it's plausible it was a 4 wheel drift.
 
If it's not a 4wd car then he had no power going to the ground what so ever, meaning it would just be like a supposed FF drift...meaning he would have no control...If it were FR and he lost traction in the front..he'd just slide off the track..if it were FF it wouldn't be a drift ANYWAY..and if it were AWD then he'd still have a chance, because the power transfers at a WAAAY different rate from a FF or a FR or a MR
 
There's one of them points again. But anything's possible, maybe the control was added in way before the drift even started. As long as you don't hit anything, it's controlled I think.
 
Yeah not again!!!!!!!!!!! It all depends what you mean when you say "drift". It has various different definitions so it's a useless conversation. But one thing above all, a power slide cannot be with a FF car, or at least should never be confused with a drift. A POWER slide is when you use the POWER of the engine to initiate a loss of traction at the REAR wheels. A power slide in a FF car would just be the car understeering because the driver gave too much gas, and that looks absolutely nothing like any type of drift. You could describe a mini doing the drift mentioned above as just a slide, and not a drift. That would make sense; just keep the word “power” away from it. By some definitions if there is a loss of traction at any wheels it’s considered a slide and not a drift.

If anyone is going to continue this conversation please just define what you mean when you say “drift” or “power slide” or what not. These words don’t have set definitions, and it quite possible that in your neck of the woods these words might mean different things, so again this is just pointless.
 
Trueno we've done so already man...And that is NOT a powerslide if you're saying THAT is a powerslide then you're also saying a Powerslide IS a drift..Which it isn't.
 
Post it once more for ya


Technically it can't be sustained, and no "going sideways" isn't drifting...going sideways is going sideways.
Excuse my while I preach on it for a bit here.

drift
v. drift·ed, drift·ing, drifts
v. intr.

To be carried along by currents of air or water:
To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly:

Here's where we break this down and settle it.

These are the exact word for word definitions of "drift" in the dictionary, and it relates to the automotive aspect of drifting as such. "To be carried along by currents of air or water" would be to be carried along by the engine within your vehicle....In MR and FR, such a thing is true, you are carried along by the power your engine creates, however the same cannot be said for FWD drivetrains. Durring an alleged "drift" in a FWD car the thing powering the car through the corner is the built up intertia the driver has created in a car, not the engine..The only thing the engine does is take the car out of it's motion. As far as "To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly" Those aspects can be related to, Drifting not being the fastest way to get from point A to point B, however it is consistant in it's actions and styles (I hope you understood that) a FWD car follows only 1 characteristic, and that is that it doesn't take the fastest way from point A to point B, simply because it is TRYING to lose control. However in a FWD car the E-brake is used to stop the rear wheels so that the inertia can send the rear end of the car sliding outwards, but this cannot be sustained..If the e-brake is on the gas isn't pressed, meaning there is no power, meaning you're going to stop in the middle of a corner facing the wrong way...However if you release the ebrake once your rear end is at a desired position it will whip the car right back around to the direction the front wheel's are facing, completly wasting the time of E-braking, so in order to get around a corner using such a style the driver must constantly revert from his/her E-brake to his/her gas pedel, and every time that transition is made there will be a instantaneous whipping affect to the car and will be fully aparent from both the inside and the outside as the rear end of the car slowly slides back into it's place, following the front wheels...Meaning it is not a smooth motion..It doesn't matter how fast the driver is with his/her hands and feet, there will always be that motion of the rear end jerking back to re-align with the front/powered wheels which throws the concept of "Smoothly" out the window..I'm well aware that some/alot of drivers using FR MR and AWD drive layouts use their Ebrake and such things can occur with those aswell, but with those drivelayouts it can be avoided depending on the driver, with a FF car there is no way to get around it.
 
Originally posted by Shinez
Trueno we've done so already man...And that is NOT a powerslide if you're saying THAT is a powerslide then you're also saying a Powerslide IS a drift..Which it isn't.

Okay what does "power slide" mean to you? And what does “drift” mean to you? What is the difference in your eyes?
 
Powerslide is not controlled...Powerslide is simply a slide, usually sideways..But not having control of the car....In a powerslide, you WAIT untill you regain control to finish it off
 
In both you use a cars inertia to start it..but in a drift you simply push the cars tires slightly beyond their limit..In a powerslide the push the cars tires/suspension/and in some cases chassis way beyond it's limit
 
Originally posted by Shinez
Post it once more for ya


Technically it can't be sustained, and no "going sideways" isn't drifting...going sideways is going sideways.
Excuse my while I preach on it for a bit here.

drift
v. drift·ed, drift·ing, drifts
v. intr.

To be carried along by currents of air or water:
To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly:

Here's where we break this down and settle it.

These are the exact word for word definitions of "drift" in the dictionary, and it relates to the automotive aspect of drifting as such. "To be carried along by currents of air or water" would be to be carried along by the engine within your vehicle....In MR and FR, such a thing is true, you are carried along by the power your engine creates, however the same cannot be said for FWD drivetrains. Durring an alleged "drift" in a FWD car the thing powering the car through the corner is the built up intertia the driver has created in a car, not the engine..The only thing the engine does is take the car out of it's motion. As far as "To proceed or move unhurriedly and smoothly" Those aspects can be related to, Drifting not being the fastest way to get from point A to point B, however it is consistant in it's actions and styles (I hope you understood that) a FWD car follows only 1 characteristic, and that is that it doesn't take the fastest way from point A to point B, simply because it is TRYING to lose control. However in a FWD car the E-brake is used to stop the rear wheels so that the inertia can send the rear end of the car sliding outwards, but this cannot be sustained..If the e-brake is on the gas isn't pressed, meaning there is no power, meaning you're going to stop in the middle of a corner facing the wrong way...However if you release the ebrake once your rear end is at a desired position it will whip the car right back around to the direction the front wheel's are facing, completly wasting the time of E-braking, so in order to get around a corner using such a style the driver must constantly revert from his/her E-brake to his/her gas pedel, and every time that transition is made there will be a instantaneous whipping affect to the car and will be fully aparent from both the inside and the outside as the rear end of the car slowly slides back into it's place, following the front wheels...Meaning it is not a smooth motion..It doesn't matter how fast the driver is with his/her hands and feet, there will always be that motion of the rear end jerking back to re-align with the front/powered wheels which throws the concept of "Smoothly" out the window..I'm well aware that some/alot of drivers using FR MR and AWD drive layouts use their Ebrake and such things can occur with those aswell, but with those drivelayouts it can be avoided depending on the driver, with a FF car there is no way to get around it.

Okay cool you seem to look at this from a philosophical viewpoint. To me an exhibition drift (I just say drift or slide for short) is just sliding sideways at any time anywhere. There are just varying degrees on how good that particular drift was. For example if some guy in a Mustang just decides to floor it at the end of turn and gets a little sideways it’s a drift, but a really crappy one, and is what I think of when I hear or read “power slide”. It’s probably the best and safest way to learn and get started. Same for an FF car hitting the e-break and left foot braking, and I have seen some smooth FF e-brake drifts, or slides if you prefer. Another way I look at drifting is when all 4 tiers have reached their friction limit and are slipping but not sliding. This is not the fancy sideways stuff, but the fastest way to drive. If you have ever heard the term “Slip angle”, or “Drift angle”; that is true race driving. Under that definition everything beyond is just a slide or an exhibition drift.
 
I'll blow your car up with you in it son. When you wake up and you hear a *Tick Tock* in your car..Don't worry..it's safe to get in
 
As opposed to your humongous backside? Compared to you, the sun even seems small. Oh wait, I can't see it. Oh right, because your fat a$$ is blocking my view!!
 

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