4 wheel drift

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BTW who ever said that if you are using 100% of your traction that you maintain 100% glue-like immovable adhesion to the road
 
..No...If you have a RWD car....And your back tires are just a spinnin away...But WAIT your front tires arn't gripping at ALL EITHER...Eeegad you can't steer...You have no control.......Oh wait wait..Here's Scenario 2
You have a FWD car..Which can't drift ANYWAY!!! but let's put that asside for the sake of this argument....You're drifting along...your back tires are sliding, minding their own buisness...Then all of a sudden your FRONT tires just start spinnin and spinnin and you have no traction there either!..What do you do? turn the wheel???? Nothing will happen..I know...I have a Civic and I've slammed on the brakes before....Turning the wheel while sliding does NOTHING
 
I was reading about that too TruenoAE86, the thing about tire distortion. If the tire distorts it can change the shape and direction of the contact patch, and effect direction, traction, and in the end cornering velocity (I didn't actually read that, I'm just hypothesizing).
 
Originally posted by Shinez
Ok...just work with me on this one...A Drift..is a Slide or Skid etc etc In Which You have CONTROL over..right???

If the car or kart or what ever does what you want it to do then you have control. If you have a race with a go-kart on ice, it will be very slow but sooner or later you will figure out how to get around with out spinning out and you will have control.

Lets say a beginner driver goes around a corner and somehow he just hits the breaks and gas at the right time and performs a perfect exhibition drift. But he has no idea how he did it. He had no control over the car but it’s still a drift.
 
In a proper four-wheel racing drift the wheels arent "just a spinnin away". The way you talk make me think you have no throttle control.
 
Lol...If the car or cart of whd anbfdbhjsa does what you want it to then you INITIALLY have control of it....yes A RWD car losing control of the front and rear wheels..you controlled the car into doing that..but do you have control once it's taken place?..No..
 
You know this is the first time I have actually been in a message board conversation. Usually I just put in a comment to clarify some information, this is my first discussion.
 
Well from some of the stuff I have read, going into a four-wheel drift is a pretty commited thing to do. You have to set it up just right, and maintain it properly for a proper exit or all will be for naught. As for regaining control if in fact it is an uncontrolable thing, then you lighten up on the throttle and apply counter-steer. I don't know what is so uncontrolable about that...
 
Originally posted by Shinez
Lol...If the car or cart of whd anbfdbhjsa does what you want it to then you INITIALLY have control of it....yes A RWD car losing control of the front and rear wheels..you controlled the car into doing that..but do you have control once it's taken place?..No..

Okay if you lose control than you lose control there is no if, and, or but, about it. As long you remain in control you are in control, the second you make a mistake and you then cannot control what the car is doing, then there is no control. It really doesn’t matter what the car is doing. What matters is, what you intended the car to do and what actually happened.
 
Zev...Wouldn't that just be a 2 wheel drift...because once acceleration is dropped it's inevitable that the non powered wheels will catch
 
I was going to edit my post to change that but I decided I wanted take a break from talking to try out the Razo Silvia I won this morning.
 
Originally posted by Shinez
But trueno..How would you remain in control of something you CAN'T control......You see what i'm trying to say?

Okay in that case you can't control it. But there isn't much in drifting that you can't control most of it is quite controllable; after you get good at it. When you make a misstake then you are in trouble and you will most likely lose control.
 
TruenoAE86, if that is the opposite lock video I just downloaded it from the GTP site. Dude, you are a drift GOD:eek: I'm getting better at drifting, but I got a bit to go untill I reach your level. I wish I had a capture card and more HD space so I could make my own videos...
 
Originally posted by Z E V
TruenoAE86, if that is the opposite lock video I just downloaded it from the GTP site. Dude, you are a drift GOD:eek: I'm getting better at drifting, but I got a bit to go untill I reach your level. I wish I had a capture card and more HD space so I could make my own videos...

Thanks a lot. This is another one, just one clean(More or less) lap with a supra on SS5R wet. Did you manage to access the FTP site?
 
The file is downloading, but only at an average of 12kb/sec. I canceled my download since I figured you need the bandwidth for whatever you're doing. I'll pick it up once it's uploaded on GTP, just give me the link when it's done.:)
 
Originally posted by Z E V
The file is downloading, but only at an average of 12kb/sec. I canceled my download since I figured you need the bandwidth for whatever you're doing. I'll pick it up once it's uploaded on GTP, just give me the link when it's done.:)

Sounds good. I'm using another FTP site right now, it should be up in about 20 minutes.
 
Originally posted by TruenoAE86
Sounds good. I'm using another FTP site right now, it should be up in about 20 minutes.

Okay, having more trouble, i doubt it will ever get online, it wont be there for a few days or weeks at least.
 
OK. To clarify to anyone that is confused:

Whenever you are 'Four-Wheel drifting' you are actually maintaining control of the car by the accelerator, now, you might say that four wheel drifting has no grip so you can't accelerate anyway, wrong. Sure, you don't have that much grip when the tires are slipping/sliding, but there is always friction on the road that you are driving on. So no matter what, there is always going to be some amount of "forward motion" going on, thus, you can make the car go foward.

Now, whenever you are 'powersliding' you have NO control over the car. The tires have exceeded their grip and locked up. If the tires lock up, you can't make them move, so you can't accelerate or do anything with them.

Often, people mistake exhibition drifting with four wheel drifting, but there is a big difference.

Exhibition Drifting is trying to push the car as sideways as possible, yet, maintaining control. The angle of drift is extreme, much more than four wheel drifting.

When you are four wheel drifting, you actually don't go as sideways as you can. All you are doing is taking the best line through the corner, while maintaining control also. Unlike exhibition drifting, the angle of drift is much smaller. This is to prevent unecessary loss of traction or power. This is what F1 cars do, although you might say they aren't sliding all over the place. As someone mentioned earlier, technology has reduced the slipping alot. When you can't actually see the slipping, you might think that they are not drifting, but various things can affect how the eye sees something.
 
yes i believe i have said something similar on another post... but half is correct and people should listen to him...
 
Originally posted by halfracedrift
OK. To clarify to anyone that is confused:

Whenever you are 'Four-Wheel drifting' you are actually maintaining control of the car by the accelerator, now, you might say that four wheel drifting has no grip so you can't accelerate anyway, wrong. Sure, you don't have that much grip when the tires are slipping/sliding, but there is always friction on the road that you are driving on. So no matter what, there is always going to be some amount of "forward motion" going on, thus, you can make the car go foward.

Now, whenever you are 'powersliding' you have NO control over the car. The tires have exceeded their grip and locked up. If the tires lock up, you can't make them move, so you can't accelerate or do anything with them.

Often, people mistake exhibition drifting with four wheel drifting, but there is a big difference.

Exhibition Drifting is trying to push the car as sideways as possible, yet, maintaining control. The angle of drift is extreme, much more than four wheel drifting.

When you are four wheel drifting, you actually don't go as sideways as you can. All you are doing is taking the best line through the corner, while maintaining control also. Unlike exhibition drifting, the angle of drift is much smaller. This is to prevent unecessary loss of traction or power. This is what F1 cars do, although you might say they aren't sliding all over the place. As someone mentioned earlier, technology has reduced the slipping alot. When you can't actually see the slipping, you might think that they are not drifting, but various things can affect how the eye sees something.

Note: If you see smoke coming from your tires when you try to attempt this, then it is not a four wheel drift because the slip angle is too high. That's why you see smoke. I just wanted to clarify because I didn't understand this when I started to try this :)
 
true theo... but smoke just represents a loss of traction no matter how slight in the game... in real life smoke from tires will probably not arise from a slight loss of traction... as is common when using four wheel drift to its maximum traction potential.... but it is important to know that excessive tire smoke when attempting fourwheel drift is unnecessary... there are different degrees of smoke in the game... you can kinda tell by there thickness
 
Now, whenever you are 'powersliding' you have NO control over the car. The tires have exceeded their grip and locked up. If the tires lock up, you can't make them move, so you can't accelerate or do anything with them.

So YOUR idea of a powerslide is that the wheels MUST be locked up?.......See I don't agree with that...And I'm sure there are others that don't aswell
 
No if they have exceeded their grip......Then they wouldn't be locked up...they would either be spinning faster, or hopping/sliding along the surface..They would just Stop
 
Well... Shinez.. it depends the way you look at it... sure.. my idea of a powerslide is when the wheels lock up.... But there is a very fine line between a powerslide and an exhibition drift.

Exhibition drift means that you are still in control..A powerslide simply means that you have gone over that line, and cannot do anything to regain the control. You simply have to wait unless the tires regain traction.
 
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