sorry for the confusion... i was talking about the civic boy when i said dude... not iketani... i do not remember shingo or whatever drifitng... jsut left foot braking... but my gf said he did so i must be on crack...
Shingo (SirII driver) stayed at a very low angle while drifting, without the gumtape on, he was at a rather higher angle when he was messing with iketani
yup, singo drifted. all without counter-steer too. he used his e-brake to enduce oversteer, and the gas to induce understeer(like i do in my prelude ) the left foot braking was to further reduce the understeer.
Kogashiwa, the MR2-GTS driver also used the left foot braking technique so he could continue to accelerate through a hairpin like the 50 or so at irohazaka.
thank you for helping me out evo.... like i said i was tripping... you too vinketo...it all makes sense now... man that is three buttons on the ps2 controller... guess i will have to attempt with my wheel first... i like learning with controller and moving to wheel lol...
no coutnersteer sounds like fun... and fast... i can use left foot braking and gas balance on rally with steering wheel so i hope its similar... we shall see...
lol that cause you dont have to do anything with 4wd but get the right initial slip angle... acc or let of the throttle... and sometimes turn back in if you make a mistake... but you can tune your 4wd car with vcd to use countersteering... even if you dont for to 10%
Originally posted by Shinez Ok.If Four Wheel Drifting is the fastest type of cornering, how come F1 cars don't slide all around the place, and second..If it IS the fastest type of cornering and IS a drift, how come you don't see them taking advantage of that in Dori races?
First of all, I answered the question you asked in the quote of me you put up with your question. Second you are going to have to enlighten me as to what Dori races are.
Drifting Races......If four wheel drifting is the fastest, and drivers should/would know this..wouldn't they be using this?..And second..you never answered my question..You said in the 30'S!!!! Nuvolari did preformed 4 wheel drifting.....the 30's................30's...........................thir....ties....
Originally posted by Shinez Drifting Races......If four wheel drifting is the fastest, and drivers should/would know this..wouldn't they be using this?..And second..you never answered my question..You said in the 30'S!!!! Nuvolari did preformed 4 wheel drifting.....the 30's................30's...........................thir....ties....
Four-wheel drifts happen naturally when you push the car to the limit; F1 cars do drift, but so slightly that you can notice it. Its much more obvious watching GT races but still you wont notice it unless you know what to look for. Actually the race that I noticed it the most in was when they throw Nascars or a road track. Its really funny cus the drivers are not used to it, and the cars just arent designed for it. They even had them going in the rain it was hilarious. At one point the Audi pace car was going too fast and some of the racecars couldnt keep up and slid off the track. Some of the teams made some rain tires, but most of the field was out on slicks. It was a sight to see.
And ZEV did answer your question here
Originally posted by ZEV
but the slip angles have been reduced to nearly imperceptable levels with the development of new rubbers and tire designs, and aerodynamic downforce
...Ok..No tell me how does that answer the question of..How come F1 cars don't slide all over the place....And don't you dare tell me "They ARE actually, just on a microscopic level"..Because that's retarded
Originally posted by Shinez ...Ok..No tell me how does that answer the question of..How come F1 cars don't slide all over the place....And don't you dare tell me "They ARE actually, just on a microscopic level"..Because that's retarded
I don't understand. Sliding around like exhibition drifting is slow as hell, because the tires have gone past their friction limit and then you are in Dynamic friction which is always less then Static friction. When a car is 4-wheel drifting the tires are at their friction limit, and are in a state of impending motion. Other factors taken into account and the tire slips but does not slide thus the car tends to drift. F1 cars don't slide around cus that is slow but using slip angles is not.
I answered it by saying that slip angles have been reduced to IMPERCEPTABLE LEVELS, meaning that little fraction of an inch that an F1 car slips doesnt mean much, but it is still there. Slip angles don't show themselves prominantly in race driving unless you are using low traction tires, or cars with low downforce. I'm sorry if I'm being overly nit-picky with technicalities. And as for drivers not knowing this technique look at this http://turn1.simracing.dk/driving_lines3.html and this http://www.geocities.com/rookietrial/ and this http://www.tgracing.btinternet.co.uk/Anglesey_trackday.htm I could find more but I'm getting damn tired. BTW getting into a four wheel drift is the natural consequence of driving a neutral car at its absolute limit. Although since I am not infalable I will double check and ask my cousin who drives in the Grand Am Cup.
(you might have to scroll a ways down on some of the links to get to the relevent part)
...........Ok..now..did you read the topic of this forum...4 Wheel Drift...Everything I've countered involved some sort of DRIFT...No one said anything about slip angles or entry points or apex's or any of that...I said and I quote
Tell me how losing traction in ALL 4 Tires on a car that isn't AWD is a drift
well he wanted an explaination so we gave it to him
Oh yeah, that reminds me, you might not be able to get into proper four-wheel racing drifts in GT3 unless you use sim tires all around with ASM and TCS off. I beleive the first time I went into a four-wheel drift was in a stock S2000 with sim tires and driver aids off in Apricot Hill on that sweeping turn before the long straightaway and hairpin (I could be mistaken though).
Originally posted by Shinez ...........Ok..now..did you read the topic of this forum...4 Wheel Drift...Everything I've countered involved some sort of DRIFT...No one said anything about slip angles or entry points or apex's or any of that...I said and I quote
Then Joe McStreet Racer over there brought up Tazio Nuvolari and slip angles
A slip angle is a four wheel drift. All four wheels are slipping or drifting but not sliding. Having all four wheels lose traction is just an exibition drift.
So what you're sayin is if I follow the right slip angle....in a.......What's a crappy FF car...A CRX...And I take a nice hard right..And all of my tires lose traction, but I magically avoid rolling..I just performed a 4 wheel drift.
Originally posted by Shinez So what you're sayin is if I follow the right slip angle....in a.......What's a crappy FF car...A CRX...And I take a nice hard right..And all of my tires lose traction, but I magically avoid rolling..I just performed a 4 wheel drift.
they are at the friction limit..meaning you still have complete traction......meaning it's not a slide..meaning there is no slide to control..meaning there's no drift
Originally posted by Shinez Lol....ok trueno...You take a go kart...And you go driving on a ice rink....And you turn....All 4 wheels lose traction..yet..You're in control????
You know, I found an article about a guy who fell behind in a go kart race and started four-wheel drifting on every lap to make up time but I didn't think you would be interested....
"if that's what you wanted to do" We're talking about drifting here....So obviously I didn't want to just slide into a wall...But that is what is going to happen if I turn in a go-kart on an ice rink and lose traction in all of my tires.
Originally posted by Shinez they are at the friction limit..meaning you still have complete traction......meaning it's not a slide..meaning there is no slide to control..meaning there's no drift
Remember slipping but not sliding, there is a difference. Also the cornering forces cause the wheels to distort so they kind of crawl sideways. The Slipping and the crawling cause the car to drift but not a lot.
) the left foot braking was to further reduce the understeer.
