Another Fanatec wheel arrives!

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Tone, have i been offensive?
When someone questions someones ideas and offers their own opinion does that mean they have a "tone", a bit of tongue n cheek from you to start with may of been returned but to be taken in the same light hearted manner fella.
Im not having a row here.

Ive merely questioned the importance of all the bother your going too.
You on the other hand have replied with a great deal of information about yourself/ past cars etc and creating an impression of an obsessed playboy.

Ahh you see right away when i look over the last couple of posts youve replied.
You state things that create an impression of yourself. For instance your seat isnt a cheap seat at all, it took you a year to find and its even comfier than a real Porsche seat. Excuse me for then thinking gees that must be some seat. Then to comment youve had actual real track/race cars, err again an impression this guy must be loaded and is very serious as some Sim fans spend countless $1000s on their rigs.

Forgive me as i DONT know you im NOT familular with your past here as many might not be neither. Now to come along and say what you do for a living to in some way defend yourself as NOT being any kind of rich Playboy. Indeed as a general employee that might give a different perception to people altogether. Certainly perhaps different than the average guy that normally would hang around with and hold on even drives owners Porsche,Ferrari cars and not only that but has had his own track car etc. Did we even need to know all this?

My suggestion of putting some past info on your Sim history or knowledge/skills in YOUR sim thread was only to help people interested exactly what you have done/had in the past. Err this doesnt have to include my mate has a Porsche, if anything thats easily going to be seen as boasting more than simply stating what previous race frames youve owned, what you liked about them or disliked in an effort to highlight your reasons for d.i.y. All this would help those reading the thread to understand which would help with later questions or indeed giving feedback. Lik enow i know you havnt built 4 frames youve had four frames. People can misinterrupt things at times you know so dont quote and assume they are always attacking you, this isnt the case at all.

This isnt that important and i dont want a row but for you to continually quote so many things it just begs for further debate which to be honest im not going to bother with. Not in this thread as its the wrong place for a start and its not worthwhile.

Now just to lay down some of your points to form an impression i got:

  1. Youve taken measurements from over 20 cars for the purpose of a sim racing frame.
  2. Furthermore youve went to the bother to emulate a Porsche seat, pedals and wheel positions angles distances etc
  3. The seat you have is so rare or special it took a year to find one and by your own words id comfier than the seat in a Porsche 993
  4. You take offence of being assumed a "Porsche Fanboy" which you wernt called to start with yet its a car you love to drive
  5. Because youve driven one particulary on a long "road trip" and have a lasting impression of it you want it in your racing frame even over the 20 cars youve measured.
  6. Now tell us again your not mimicing a Porsche car, sorry what am i missing here, okay maybe just 90% of it.
  7. You havnt answered the original question or explained this obsession like requirement of:
    IS ALL THIS BOTHER WORTH IT & WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT particulary as you now have stated your frame will allow many adjustments anyways and you dont own a Porsche.
  8. Indeed some people do go to such extreems, but more for the sake of it and appearance rather than to expect further performance benifits.
  9. Such a goal would make more sense if you raced or drove a certain car and wanted this degree of accuracy in your sim but this isnt the case, your just a gamer hence my doubts.

I am however eager to see what you end up with and its funny how your interests/requirements are different to mine as im not after such sheer accuracy in positioning etc but more in ensuring the sim frame i end up building looks unique but like a professional product. For me its maximising the comfort,fun with additional immersion making racing games more exciting. Thats my goal but with a look/finish that would look well on a GameShow/Stand.

Like ive said best of luck with the project and i look forward to your progress particulary in taking the CSP's apart, switching them round and having those installed inverted. Thats a BIG job which i doubt will add any major performance but agree will look cool. I just couldnt afford to try it in case of ruining $200 worth. Oh and regards the sim you linked, yeah its rather well done ive seen it before along with countless others but imo looks quite average/normal in its design, nice seat though.
 
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Mr Latte
Tone, have i been offensive?
When someone questions someones ideas and offers their own opinion does that mean they have a "tone", a bit of tongue n cheek from you to start with may of been returned but to be taken in the same light hearted manner fella.
Im not having a row here.

Ive merely questioned the importance of all the bother your going too.
You on the other hand have replied with a great deal of information about yourself/ past cars etc and creating an impression of an obsessed playboy.

Ahh you see right away when i look over the last couple of posts youve replied.
You state things that create an impression of yourself. For instance your seat isnt a cheap seat at all, it took you a year to find and its even comfier than a real Porsche seat. Excuse me for then thinking gees that must be some seat. Then to comment youve had actual real track/race cars, err again an impression this guy must be loaded and is very serious as some Sim fans spend countless $1000s on their rigs.

Forgive me as i DONT know you im NOT familular with your past here as many might not be neither. Now to come along and say what you do for a living to in some way defend yourself as NOT being any kind of rich Playboy. Indeed as a general employee that might give a different perception to people altogether. Certainly perhaps different than the average guy that normally would hang around with and hold on even drives owners Porsche,Ferrari cars and not only that but has had his own track car etc. Did we even need to know all this?

My suggestion of putting some past info on your Sim history or knowledge/skills in YOUR sim thread was only to help people interested exactly what you have done/had in the past. Err this doesnt have to include my mate has a Porsche, if anything thats easily going to be seen as boasting more than simply stating what previous race frames youve owned, what you liked about them or disliked in an effort to highlight your reasons for d.i.y. All this would help those reading the thread to understand which would help with later questions or indeed giving feedback. Lik enow i know you havnt built 4 frames youve had four frames. People can misinterrupt things at times you know so dont quote and assume they are always attacking you, this isnt the case at all.

This isnt that important and i dont want a row but for you to continually quote so many things it just begs for further debate which to be honest im not going to bother with. Not in this thread as its the wrong place for a start and its not worthwhile.

Now just to lay down some of your points to form an impression i got:

  1. Youve taken measurements from over 20 cars for the purpose of a sim racing frame.
  2. Furthermore youve went to the bother to emulate a Porsche seat, pedals and wheel positions angles distances etc
  3. The seat you have is so rare or special it took a year to find one and by your own words id comfier than the seat in a Porsche 993
  4. You take offence of being assumed a "Porsche Fanboy" which you wernt called to start with yet its a car you love to drive
  5. Because youve driven one particulary on a long "road trip" and have a lasting impression of it you want it in your racing frame even over the 20 cars youve measured.
  6. Now tell us again your not mimicing a Porsche car, sorry what am i missing here, okay maybe just 90% of it.
  7. You havnt answered the original question or explained this obsession like requirement of:
    IS ALL THIS BOTHER WORTH IT & WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT particulary as you now have stated your frame will allow many adjustments anyways and you dont own a Porsche.
  8. Indeed some people do go to such extreems, but more for the sake of it and appearance rather than to expect further performance benifits.
  9. Such a goal would make more sense if you raced or drove a certain car and wanted this degree of accuracy in your sim but this isnt the case, your just a gamer hence my doubts.

I am however eager to see what you end up with and its funny how your interests/requirements are different to mine as im not after such sheer accuracy in positioning etc but more in ensuring the sim frame i end up building looks unique but like a professional product. For me its maximising the comfort,fun with additional immersion making racing games more exciting. Thats my goal but with a look/finish that would look well on a GameShow/Stand.

Like ive said best of luck with the project and i look forward to your progress particulary in taking the CSP's apart, switching them round and having those installed inverted. Thats a BIG job which i doubt will add any major performance but agree will look cool. I just couldnt afford to try it in case of ruining $200 worth. Oh and regards the sim you linked, yeah its rather well done ive seen it before along with countless others but imo looks quite average/normal in its design, nice seat though.
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Your right this isn't the place for this (so many problems with your reply, I can't even begin to know where to start, like when did I claim performance benefits?). Honestly, you've taken this way too far. I have not put any "bother" into getting various measurements. You decided that for yourself, like everything else you've come up with. Obviously we have very different ideas of what constitutes a "good time" as I enjoyed the research involved. Call me an anorak. This seems to be lost on you. You have inferred all kinds of random things from small snippets of information. Obviously this was a bad idea. All I needed was a simple measurement that any of you, with the wheel/pedal combo, could easily take 5 minutes to measure. Instead I get a long diatribe about why I shouldn't do it. Then when I explain myself you continue to argue. If you want to continue this pointless exercise in frustration, by all means send me a PM.

Back to the topic....




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Thanks but no thanks, for you it seems to be a crime that when you say something that people dont fully understand what your saying. I can see your annoyed as no-one has yet bothered their backside and tbh your attitude towards someone thats interested in what your doing but questioning things, as if questioning is a crime really sucks. If you were so popular here with all the years you have been at GTP i question why nobody yet has got you them, mates eh never can rely on them.
No doubt someone will get you the measurements, but why didnt you just email Fanatec or check with one of your PC sim friends where indeed its likely more people even have them.

Points:
"taken measurements from 20 cars"
I read that as you personally measured 20 cars wheels,seats etc.
I find that as quite a bit of work, but 20 cars, why 20 again it seems excessive really.

"Going to all the bother"
This doesnt mean you dont enjoy it, or the research for the project. No its trying to understand WHY its so important, youve failed to explain this particulary as you dont race one professionally to aid your training or own one. You cant seem to answer this with a valid reason other than its what you want to emulate your friends Porsche or to try and impress someone.

"so many problems with my reply"
Actually you should be glad someones even bothered to post.
Ive not been nasty with you, curious yes but lets remember the bits i highlighted like all the claims of Porsche, Ferrari, own race cars none of those needed to be mentioned at all. Yet the sme person said something about not liking to boast on the forums, im puzzeled how mentioning past race frames you had could in anyway compare to the Porsche Ferrari experiences.
Seriously if you look at your own attitude and things you posted i could say their are many things wrong in what and how your going about this.

"not for performance reasons"
Maybe im wrong, hell ive been wrong before but didnt you a while back talk about inverting pedals and that by doing so it would feel better or aid your driving skills. If your now saying your not doing all this for performance benifits then all im left with is it must be to impress others or to be different. Buy going to all the work, 20 cars etc then it must be very high in your agenda to impress people.

Big debate over nothing really and all because someone questioned "why" about something.....
Catch a grip as at the end of the day people dont care if you invert them or really if they match a 993 car. Yeah its maybe important to you (for a reason youve never fully explained) but to most particulary on a GT forum its a bit OTT and above most peoples needs or indeed the reasoning of why to even bother..

Will not bother you any further or show any interest in your project to be dictated too or have my replies treated like an interview.
 
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I agree take this via PM. It get a bit much off topic and this discussion is clearly just between you two. Not that interesting for us others :)
 
I agree take this via PM. It get a bit much off topic and this discussion is clearly just between you two. Not that interesting for us others
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+1 You seem to be arguing about nothing...
 
I agree take this via PM. It get a bit much off topic and this discussion is clearly just between you two. Not that interesting for us others
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+1 I don't even understand what you guys are arguing about...
 
Biggles
+1 I don't even understand what you guys are arguing about...
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It seems "I have a tone" just because i enquire/question something or try to evaulate his reasoning about something. Still i may not know much more than i did at the start regarding the need for such but well we know about his friend, the cars and their employment.

Talk about going off topic, but its water under the bridge....

Back on topic:

Regarding my faulty wheel, it was returned (£37.50) it cost to return (insured for value) Fanatec will repay the shipping but its taken 4 weeks to get to this point were they have received it but not informed me of action. So 4 weeks from the first initial email reporting the fault. I wasnt contacted upon it being received which worried me (posted 2 weeks ago) but Thomas himself checked today.

Yet to hear the outcome if its being replaced or repaired but im not prepared to wait much longer, besides the Turbo S will be here in a few months.

How did others that received faulty got on?
 
New Drivers came out for 64 and 32 bit.

the Plugin features for r-Factor all appear to be working. the vibration feature for the wheel when you lock tires even works. You guys with the CSP pedals, do your brakes vibrate when you lock them in rFactor now?
 
Mr Latte
It seems "I have a tone" just because i enquire/question something or try to evaulate his reasoning about something. Still i may not know much more than i did at the start regarding the need for such but well we know about his friend, the cars and their employment.

Talk about going off topic, but its water under the bridge....

Back on topic:

Regarding my faulty wheel, it was returned (£37.50) it cost to return (insured for value) Fanatec will repay the shipping but its taken 4 weeks to get to this point were they have received it but not informed me of action. So 4 weeks from the first initial email reporting the fault. I wasnt contacted upon it being received which worried me (posted 2 weeks ago) but Thomas himself checked today.

Yet to hear the outcome if its being replaced or repaired but im not prepared to wait much longer, besides the Turbo S will be here in a few months.

How did others that received faulty got on?
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So it has been over four weeks and you still have not got your faulty wheel back.
To me that is poor service after paying a lot of money for there wheel.
I think i read on a forum that you bought the most expensive wheel they make.
Any problems like you have had should be rectified asap not over four weeks.
To buy there wheels people have to pay in advance and wait months to receive one.
So they should be looking after there customers who receive faulty goods with a much faster turn around and keeping them informed with what they are doing.
The pedal set on my G25 wheel developed a fault and i got a new set from Logitech within ten days and they did not even want the faulty set back.
 
Im a quality concious consumer and one that desires good service.
Id often choose to do business with such companies that perhaps offer a good service even if they cost more, satisfaction means as much even more to me than saving a few quid.

Its exactly why i went off the rails with their issues and as im finding out service like many things could be better. Im more annoyed with how things are done in general than i am as a disgruntled customer having to wait, ive even laid down my cash for the "TURBO S" even with all the problems ive had but im beginning to reconsider depending on how much longer my "return" takes to be sorted.

Now speaking of which and i still cant believe this....
If anyone had ordered the GT3RS to use with the G25 pedals, here we are over a month later since arrival and yet STILL NO CABLES.
"Coming from manufacturer" is the official story, no date of arrival mentioned, nothing on the 911 wheel forums, nothing on the official website.

Id rather the company would just be straight with people and at least use its website to inform people of such things. Really is this that hard to do?

Thomas if your reading have you an update on the "Adapter Cables" expected Time Of Arrival.
 
Biggles
My Buttkicker Gamr amp passed away a few weeks ago. :(

I'm trying to find an amp that I can use with it instead of the amp it came with.
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You should try contacting the company and see if they can do something for you. Or consider the deal that Amazon etc were offering on the new BKA300 and sell your gamer (transducer only) to somone who may have an amp but looking a bargin.
 
OK, here it is: my (preliminary) review of the GT3 RS wheel & Clubsport pedals.

First, a bit of background. I’ve owned a G25 for 2 years & (as I am a long-time Mac user) have only used it to race console sims. I’ve (briefly) used a couple of other wheels: a DFP, an older Fanatec wheel & a couple of crappy, cheap wheels.

The RS wheel comes in 3 separate boxes, one for the wheel, one for the pedals & one for the shifters. Very nicely packaged, with snazzy graphics on the boxes. One little detail: on the wheel box, as you open the flaps it reads:

this is a … bad … day … for your opponents.

LOL.

The wheel is simple enough to connect & set up, although there’s very little in the way of instructions. Unfortunately, unlike the G25, which is perfectly designed to integrate with the Playseat Evo cockpit, out-of-the-box the Fanatec wheel is not compatible with the Playseat at all. None of the mounting holes match up, the pedals are too wide to sit properly on the Playseat foot plate & the clamps on the wheel don’t quite grip the wheel stand plate properly. Nevertheless, I set it up temporarily & plugged it into the PS3.

First off… nothing.

Mess around pushing buttons, plugging & unplugging, starting & restarting… nothing. I go to the Fanatec website & see that they say the “manual can be downloaded soon”! :rolleyes:

I scroll further down & notice it says that the PS3 must have the date changed to pre 22/12/2008. Why this would make a difference… who knows? But if they told me I had to hop up & down on one leg, scratching my right testicle while pressing the Start button... I would give it a try at this point. :indiff:

Sure enough, this time the wheel responds. There is another hour or so more messing around, while I figure out what buttons to press while GT5P is starting up, in order to acticvate the wheel with the PS3, but eventually I get it working.

I run a few laps around Suzuka in the Clio, but I’m having terrible problems using the H-shifter. The shifter seems like it constantly wants to jump into 1st gear, & in particular seems to hesitate between 3rd & 5th. The problem is, the mounting system attaching to the wheel is woefully inadequate, given the extremely stiff shifting mechanism. Yes, all of us with a G25 who have wished for a more precise , stiffer shifter – be careful what you wish for. I have to admit, after all my complaints & problems with the "floppy" G25 shifter, I have eventually become quite used to it & enjoy slamming (very lightly) my way through the gears – it definitely doesn’t feel “real”, but I do quite enjoy using it. The Fanatec shifter is very stiff & precise - again nothing like any RL shifter I have tried, but quite different from the G25's.

Eventually, I gave up trying to negotiate my way around the track constantly miss-shifting & switched to the sequential shifter, so that I could concentrate on the pedals & wheel. The Clubsport pedals, which are impressively heavy & industrial looking, were placed somewhat precariously on the foot plate of my Playseat, nevertheless, I was able to use them fairly comfortably. I can’t say that they felt significantly different to use than the G25 pedals, but even without any of the recommended mods, they performed well enough that I was not conscious of having to adapt my driving technique. I can easily see that properly installed & tuned, they might provide a superior feel to the G25 pedals.

The wheel itself is a revelation: heavy, solid & with a thick grip, it feels like a high-end RL wheel, albeit with a somewhat smaller diameter than most. Driving in GT5P many of the complaints I have had about the game - too light FFB, not enough feel to the physics – were significantly altered by the RS wheel. The rotation has none of the gritty, “notchy” feel of the G25 allowing the balance of the car to be felt smoothly throughout cornering. Simply put, it actually feels like driving a car IRL.

I then tried the wheel with Ferrari Challenge. Here, the smoother rotation of the wheel also made a big difference. The powerful FFB of FC was much smoother, almost completely eliminating the “dead-zone” effect that makes fast cornering in FC with the G25 so demanding. Finally, I (very briefly) tried the wheel with F1CE. It seemed to function perfectly well.

So, overall, how does the RS wheel stack up against the G25? Well, my initial impressions (& this is after only about 2 – 3 hours driving) are that the Fanatec wheel feels much more like driving a real car – the input is strong, steady & smooth. In contrast, the G25 has a “twitchy”, “notchy” feel to the FFB. Now, with a road car, that smoothness feels entirely appropriate & much closer to RL driving. However, with the race cars of FC & especially with the F1 cars of F1CE, I’m not sure I necessarily prefer the smoothness of the Fanatec wheel. There is a rawness to the G25, combined with its rugged, custom looks that is very appealing. I suspect driftrs may also prefer the look & feel of the G25.

Certainly, the Clubsport pedals are very high quality & perhaps with PC sims & some modding will deliver significantly better feel & performance than the G25 pedals. But the Fanatec H-shifter & its mounting system definitely seems like the weak link in the chain. This is unfortunate, because everybody has been hoping for a big improvement over the G25 shifter. It may be, that properly mounted & modded in some way (or just “loosened” with time & use), the Fanatec shifter may work out fine. It did take me a long time to get comfortable with the G25 shifter also, but at the minute the shifter strikes me as the most problematic part of the Fanatec set-up.

For the record, I did feel like I was driving faster with the RS wheel, both in GT5P & FC, but my lap times, not surprisingly, given the limited amount of time I have spent with the wheel so far, were not faster than with the G25.
 
I got my replacement wheel recently, and it came with a buggy shifter. My previous shifter gave me very few problems, but the new one would sometimes glitch and stay in 4th for a second or 2 before going into 3rd and do other things like that. Maybe something went wrong on the production line or maybe it was damaged during shipping... I don't know.

What settings do you all use in iRacing with the latest drivers?
 
Should try calibrating the shifter it sounds like. It´s not so much the shifter in itself it´s the mounting that is the problem.I recently to the clubsport table clamp. Had a beta version before which was less beta actually...

Had all kind of QA issues so going back or for a refund.. But the one good thing about it is that they now have solid steel bars for the shifter mount. On the beta it was hollow steel. A bit more stable than the stock bars still. So the mount is almost as good as with a proper clamp. Makes it so much easier to shift don´t have to slam in the gears just as much.

As for being faster you are always faster with the wheel you got 100hs of hours with. Even though the difference is not as big as when getting new pedals. Really it shouldn´t be any difference in lap time if you turn down the force feedback at least. I couldn´t detect any such difference anyway
 
1:How do i know fanatec has recieved my payment; what does order status say then?

2:Everybody is talking about updating drivers, where i can download new drivers when that is needed. Fanatec site does not have download section?

3:What screws do fit to turbo s for hard mount?

ps: I now have made my order for turbo s wheel.
 
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Raitziger
1:How do i know fanatec has recieved my payment; what does order status say then?

2:Everybody is talking about updating drivers, where i can download new drivers when that is needed. Fanatec site does not have download section?

3:What screws do fit to turbo s for hard mount?

ps: I now have made my order for turbo s wheel.
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You can get the drivers here from their blog section, and you may want to browse around for the screws I remember seeing it mentioned on the site. http://www.911wheel.de/
 
is anyone else having problems with force feedback in iRacing with the latest drivers? With iRacing, the force feedback is extremely dull, the car doesn't try to correct itself at all.
 
Thanks for answers but still like to know how do i know when fanatec has recieved my payment? I haven't got email like some of you have. How long did take for your payment to arrive to fanatec?

I paid by bank transfer a week ago but i haven't still found out wheather they have acknowledged my payment.

edit: i now sent the a email with transaction note copy, let's see how it goes.
 
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Raitziger: I also paid by bank transfer, I sent them a transaction note copy and they replied that they got the transfer. (it took around 2 weeks)
On my user account it shows that it is still processing and pending, so I'm keeping their email as proof that they got the money.
 
ok thanks. Btw there is a new regulation coming this year that transfers inside EU have to arrive next day. I quess that is not curretly like that but in the future things will be faster.
 
Raitziger
ok thanks. Btw there is a new regulation coming this year that transfers inside EU have to arrive next day. I quess that is not curretly like that but in the future things will be faster.
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edit: They replied me and said that they have got my money. 👍
 
Hmm... strange that there were hundreds of Another Fanatec wheel arrives posts before anyone actually had a Fanatec wheel, now that quite a few people finally actually have Fanatec wheels, the thread has gone curiously quiet! :confused:

Yes, the RS wheel & pedals (even without any adjustments) work fine with GT5P, FC, F1CE in my experience. However, for whatever reason, my H-shifter is not engaging gears properly.

Beyond that, there is a fundamental design flaw with the Fanatec system: the H-shifter is extremely stiff - the opposite end of the spectrum from the "floppy" G25 - yet the shifter has been designed to attach to the wheel unit, which is simply not a secure enough mount to handle the forces exerted on the shifter. To make matters worse, unlike the G25, there is no way to hard mount the Fanatec shifter (s) without drilling into the shifter unit itself.

It's not a good idea for Fanatec to create a high-quality sim wheel system that is compromised by one of its components. They really have to provide an alternative mounting possibility for the H-shifter.
 
Biggles
Beyond that, there is a fundamental design flaw with the Fanatec system: the H-shifter is extremely stiff - the opposite end of the spectrum from the "floppy" G25 - yet the shifter has been designed to attach to the wheel unit, which is simply not a secure enough mount to handle the forces exerted on the shifter. To make matters worse, unlike the G25, there is no way to hard mount the Fanatec shifter (s) without drilling into the shifter unit itself.
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Yeah, from the videos I've seen of the Fanatec this looked like a problem to me. Perhaps you could try making a hard mount using the two rod points they've given you?

If you could find 2 tubes of steel the same size as the holes in the fanatec, cut it down to just a bit longer than the width of the shifter (I wouldn't want to cut down the originals!) and mount those rods to something solidly (directly to your rig or to a block of wood or steel that you can then mount to your rig). Part of the problem seems to be that the 2 rods used to attach it to the wheel are cantilevered too far away to be stable. If they'd used 3 rods instead of 2 it'd probably be rock solid :p
 
Biggles
It's not a good idea for Fanatec to create a high-quality sim wheel system that is compromised by one of its components. They really have to provide an alternative mounting possibility for the H-shifter.
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In fact we do offer two alternative solutions to mount the H-pattern shifter:

1. Shifter adaper for Rennsport Wheel Stand (If you use the stand)

2. Clubsport Table clamp (If you use the table)

Both solutions are rock solid and with the Clubsport table clamp you can also adjust the angle of the wheel rim
 
That it´s less action generally is a good sign... It´s working fine so people are off racing instead of trying to get support :). I suspect there will be a second wave when the next batch arrive.

As for the shifter and shifter mount I agree 100 %. I got the new clubsport table clamp though and it helps a lot. Now the wheel plate was drilled wrong and other stuff but it does offer two solid steel bars for the shifter (the original is hollow) and it makes it much easier to shift with less force required and better feel.

As you say they shouldn´t have opted for such a stiff shifter with the current mounting method. Even though I rather take this gear slamming than the G25 sloppy shifting if I would be at gun point :).
With the better mounting it´s just about perfect though. I got a good set of shifters I kept them for the old wheel and they have never missed a shift so far :)
Sure could be ever so slightly less stiff but it´s not much of a problem anymore.

But really they should try and find another solution if they are supposed to keep this less then perfect clamping system. Though I really like that shifter position now that I got used to it and some cockpits don´t have the room for mounting a shifter the ordinary way. But then you could always attach a plank underneith the wheel and bolt it down or get the table clamp.

The position beside the wheel is better then the ordinary lower and more to the right shifter position I have for my SST shifter. That more resembles what´s in most standard cars. Racing cars often have the shifter close to the wheel for faster access.

Would also be interesting to hear how many here actually uses it in your lap? That is the main reason they went for this solution I suspect. But I wonder if there is any that pay this price for a wheel to use in their lap? I doubt it would hurt Fanatecs sales to go for a separate clamp but I wouldn´t know of course. I suspect they are making one for the rennsport cockpit if nothing else but should be in the original product I feel to make it even more appealing.

insidesimracing.tv showed a DIY solution in the last episode I think it was.
 

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