That's pretty much the problem always seen here. Some people believe no matter what, anyone raising an eyebrow at GT must be a wronged employee, or whatever other conspiracies you folk come up with.
CSLACRI don't agree with a word he said, but series total would be around 60-65 million right now.
Thanks, I love that movie.
More sales just says that the game is running on past glory and the only reason it sells is for the name alone. Doesn't mean that the game has all it's issues sorted out.
It sells because it has a history. A history of giving enriching gaming experiences for over a decade. Have you heard the concept of expectation and loyalty? why do you think call of duty sells? because suprise suprise for it's faults it's actually bloody good. When you are entertained by a series, you will buy the next iteration. Same as GT.
One is well known, and one came out and swiftly took the spotlight because PD fell asleep at the top. Forza gaining recognition from Top Gear is not good for GT because Forza will be better known. GT took top gear and squandered it like a hobo squandering his change for booze. 3 events, no standing start and invisible walls? Seriously? Or even when they squander licenses, they get these big car companies that everyone wanted and only have like 1 or 2 cars while they make 30 skylines for another company. Forza has covered just about every complaint we had with GT. The only thing missing is a wheel that rivals the DFGT.
PD fell asleep at the wheel? did you simply ignore all the content PD has put in the game? are you being seriously thick? or do you think PD are like turn 10 who put the same time of gameplay in all their games, outsource their inferior looking car models to vietnam and india?and call it a day?
PD may half assed the top gear track but unlike the company who 'swiftly took the spotlight' they don't need to pay andy wilman and jezza to gain a partnership. That speaks for the relative strengths of the two. for years EA had the porsche license and was hoping that kaz would enter some sort of license agreement so they could make money on the gazillion GT copies. Smartly kaz said no.
Forza thinks they will surpass GT because of top Gear? really? If that's what you or Turn 10 think, then frankly i am not suprised that after all these years they are still languishing behind the real driving simulator. They and you have not one clue on what makes GT tick.
It's called variety. No one is pointing a gun to your head and making you put decals on your car. It's something to have to make you car unique. GT is in a league of it's own, and that league is lagging behind. GT has the core driving done right, but that's about it. A few tracks with their own weather and time features, and the only customization being the stupid paint chip system and a few body pieces and only like 13 cars that can be race modded. While GT stays there, Forza is going all out.
Funny you mentioned variety but sidestepped variety where it matters. gameplay. no matter how many times you make your car look like some hideous rice job, you will always race in some boring ass tarmac on the road with sunny skies. Yep be my guest forza. Go all out. It makes no difference to the same boring ass gameplay they have been pumping for years. after all who cares about gameplay when you're playing a game? oops.
90% of GT5's cars are standard PS2 cars
take away all those standards and it would make no difference to the game. GT's premium cars are a whole different level to forza. Both in models and lighting. That's what a bit of japanese skill can do. May be Turn 10 ought to outsource their car models to japan instead of vietnam or india
No, we got a lousy paint chip system.. Such good tools for making your car "you".
No. It's called priorties. Colouring your car like disneyland is not at the top of kaz priorities.
No, we got the watered down version. It's actually pretty embarrassing. Wasting a license like that really hurt GT5's potential.
i was playing GT5 online lat night and they were literally hundreds of top gear servers. both drifitng and racing. Yep it sure has hurt the game. Including the track. That's why mercedes recently launched the world's biggest race featuring a race between coultard and Gt gamers.
True, and not spending 5 years on making weld marks on premium models. Weld marks that no one will ever see unless one of the replay cameras go through the geometry of the car.
PD has dumped all their legacy code from playstation 2 and moved to a new hardware plateform and started from scratch. And they made the game shine where it matters. Gameplay. which can be said more for forza pumping the same old sterile gameplay they have been doing for years.
jeez talk about rehashes.
And that's where Forza is winning.
In your mind may be.
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I have a feeling Turn 10 would love to be flagging as badly as GT5 is.
I have to pick up on this point for a bit.
I have a feeling Turn 10 would love to be flagging as badly as GT5 is.
I know you're disappointed in it, but amazingly, the traffic here is as high as GT4 was at 10 months after release, so an awful lot of people around the world are enjoying the game as it is. So in your opinion it might be flagging but overall i'd say it's... just an opinion.
I have to pick up on this point for a bit.
To many gamers, forza has been "half a**ed" through three games. The first one was kind of hit and miss. In many ways it was a solid racer, but in many others it was rough, with physics which were a mixed bag, graphic issues, car models with issues and bugs, a livery which could have been better thought out and had bugs - and no text fonts?! And you could save a max of 32 replays.
Forza 2 upped the ante, but looking back, I can see why it was called by some "Forza 1.5." A lot of the promises made just months from release went by the wayside. 12 car races went back to 8, content from the first game was cut back, the same car models were ported over flaws bugs and all including physics exploits and problems with vinyls on many surfaces, the livery editor while better had problems with vinyl layers shifting around with each use of the car, photo images which lacked the improved graphics of the replays, DLC you had to buy was often padded with reworked models from the game, and more. Worst of all was the crashing. Scroll through your garage too far and the game would crash. Look at too many car images in the Auction House and the game would crash - and this had the disastrous bug of a possible permaban from Live slapped on you! In fact, disconnect from the Auction House in any way than backing out to the menu screen could cause this. Physics exploits resulted in periodic leaderboard wipes.
Forza 3 was a marked improvement graphically and feature wise, but it had the same 8 car race limit, the same car model issues were ported over from the first two games with very few fixed, the same AWD drivetrain domination from the first two games, the same problems with physics exploits and leaderboard wipes, a strangely gimped online system, an atrocious photo sharing system with bad compression, and dreadful file bogging if you have more than 120 pics or livery elements on your 360.
The last two in particular killed the game for me after six or seven weeks because it was taking forever to use these features. To be honest, without the livery editor and ability to create your own race cars with it and snap pics of them, Forza is just another racer to me, and that was all I liked about it. Frankly, I preferred Gran Turismo 4 to Forza 3!
For the millions of fans who are happy to buy cars done by others and who just want to tear around a track with their friends online, Forza is just fine, hamstrung online system of F3 aside. Forza 4 appears to be what the fans have been asking for all along, with more cars in races on and offline, more tracks, a few more cars, better graphics, more features and generally more of everything. Of course, every Forxa has been touted as the best racer ever, so it remains to be seen how true it is this time.
But to call GT5 half a**ed... well, this is how many of us would describe the first three Forzas.
And I have to say that if you guys think that GT5 doesn't have anything worthwhile to offer as a racing game, well, that's an opinion that apparently isn't widely shared. The traffic here isn't complaint heavy if you read the boards at all.
@ brycepunk, I disagree completely. Tell me any racing game besides Gran Turismo and Forza which isn't the same content rehashed over and over. Take ANY PC sim.
But... woooo, Forza 4 will have Top Gear bowling and soccer!!
Sorry, but the same game as before, with more, is what most people want. What I want is GT4 with GT5's physics and graphics - flaws aside, Forza 4's livery editor and a full race mod for every car. I want more than that, but I'm saving this for a GT6 wishlist post.
You're ignoring all the things I brought up in a previous post which collided very hard with PD in the process of trying to make GT5. But that's pretty common around armchair developers around here.
take away all those standards and it would make no difference to the game. GT's premium cars are a whole different level to forza. Both in models and lighting. That's what a bit of japanese skill can do. May be Turn 10 ought to outsource their car models to japan instead of vietnam or india
i was playing GT5 online lat night and they were literally hundreds of top gear servers. both drifitng and racing. Yep it sure has hurt the game. Including the track. That's why mercedes recently launched the world's biggest race featuring a race between coultard and Gt gamers.
That's the point, MoGo, you're arguing the example, no matter what you can "prove" on the example, it won't "prove" anything for GT5/FM4.^I know that's not what you intended, but it's what I wanted to point out. The Originators are always more remembered than the imitators. For the most part. But I was just having fun with your analogyI know there's many variables involved aswell.
@CSL
When you understand an artist being an originator, usually out weighs the imitators, then you'll get what I'm saying in reference to the metaphor. You can take it how you want it in relation to GT to FM.
But I'm done if your done
Anyways big up to the new Spec 2.0 and DLC!! Woop Woop! I'm sure some of these droppers want to rethink their choice
@LMS
I don't think it's ONLY to battle Forza. As these Spec updates are pretty familiar in the GT realm. But I'm sure the timing is to coincide with the release, which is exactly what Forza did last year.
Well, but he has a point. Almost no one thinks everything in GT5 made sense, not even me, one of Polyphony's biggest fans. This is a very Frankensteinian effort from Kaz and the team, and there are things I would patch right out of the game, such as the entire XP system, and fix the paint shop so that at least a good selection of colors were there at a reasonable cost. The online system is still rather weak, and a good number of us want a slew of A-Spec races like GT4 offered. Heavens, there are a bunch of things I'd change if I had a magic wand.
Slip, you might regret making such an authoritative remark with no basis for knowing it to be true. One example is the Ford GT which I believe had the same modeling flaws from Forza 1, in particular, the missing nose vane on the right side when you applied the body kit to it. Now my 360 is in a bag where it's been since December 2009 and I have no intention in my limited time tonight to bother to wire and fire the thing up to make sure, but it was definitely ported over to Forzxa 2.
