Anyone planning to drop GT5?

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Anyone planning on dropping GT5?

  • Yes

    Votes: 105 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 672 78.1%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 83 9.7%

  • Total voters
    860
Shift 2 AI rarely ran into you on purpose. I am not afaid to admist I played S2 till my hands bled. They were aggresive, but pretty good at holding a line or overtaking you, in the right spots. It isnt perfect, but the best I have seen in a console. Thats also why I said "refined".

Yeah a PI system would help a bit as well. You upgrade, so do the AI. I still think the AI in GT5 are pretty much set on rails though. They need a major overhaul.



Why even go there?

Bull they always rammed you often when they had plenty of room to avoid you, the AI in shift is really no better, the only diff is the cars in shift Scale to you, and they do not in Gt5. They are more aggressive to a fault...

The handling in shift 2 was so bad i wouldnt care if they had the best AI ever.
 
CSLACR,

my god man. Do you sit with a straight face when you deny forza is GT copy? Their own Game director said he was in the industry because of GT and Kaz.

every single one on this site knows Forza is GT copy. The difference here some accept the cold hard truth and some don't
 
CSLACR,

my god man. Do you sit with a straight face when you deny forza is GT copy? Their own Game director said he was in the industry because of GT and Kaz.

every single one on this site knows Forza is GT copy. The difference here some accept the cold hard truth and some don't
Creation is not without influence..
 
CSLACR,

my god man. Do you sit with a straight face when you deny forza is GT copy? Their own Game director said he was in the industry because of GT and Kaz.

every single one on this site knows Forza is GT copy. The difference here some accept the cold hard truth and some don't

Yeah it's obvious Forza was greatly influenced by GT, only a blatant troll says it isn't.. Gt is the pinnacle of racing sims on console, obviously any competition would be influenced by it.
 
CSLACR,

my god man. Do you sit with a straight face when you deny forza is GT copy? Their own Game director said he was in the industry because of GT and Kaz.

every single one on this site knows Forza is GT copy. The difference here some accept the cold hard truth and some don't

Yea initially this was the case. The success of GT left Microsoft wanting a game just like GT, so they ordered T10 to make one.

But you got to give credit where credit is due. Forza has long surpassed the status of just being a copy of the GT series. Sure its still a game similar to GT, but the overall approach has changed through the last two installments. T10 sucessfully combined aspects of the GT series with features of other successful games and thus creating a good package.

I think they still lack in certain areas and will probably not really surpass GT in many fundamental ways (fundamental in my opinion like the crisp overall feeling to the physics) with Forza 4, but I think its werth getting if you have the respective hardware. I definately would buy it if I had a fanatec wheel and an Xbox360. But just like Shift, Grid, F1 2011 and others it would probably never be more than a little distraction from Gran Turismo. I play multiple games on multiple plattforms, but playing GT allways feels like coming home.
 
GT1 was revolutionary

GT2 was a perfect sequel

GT3 was a graphical masterpiece and a great sequel aswell

GT4 was a great expansion but not good as a sequel as nothing new really came out aswell as the online cancellation which was gonna be the big selling point for it.

GT5 was suppose bring back the GT series on top after a long absence. It tok 10 steps forward but 6 steps back.

GT6 will be the late bloomer
 
You really assume you know alot.

It's not just knowledge sake, what did I say after? "a business standpoint in relation to time considerations.

It' not a useless number, as one learns if an investment profits on the cost, and if it was worth the cost. One of the many things you can take out of it. Your logic baffles me.

Regardless if companies lie, you can get a rough estimate. And I don't get what you're trying to get at with the benefit of them lying(unless you're implying that just because someone spent a huge budget that something is guaranteed to come out good.)

Obviously knowing doesn't change the quality of the game, but gives insight of the quality of the game according/in relation to cost. Again your logic baffles me.

For me, it was never knowing to tout expenses for the game, but quality with what how much of an investment put in. The thing I would see people complain about is that they assumed GT5's budget of 60 million warranted them a perfect game, so I'm actually on the opposite of what you're assuming. So say Turn10 spent more than that with their budget, and FM4 doesn't reach it's own high expectations, then that could be very telling of the quality vs invesment with that game.

So your assumptions on the the perspective I'm trying to take in are wrong.

No reason for your PS3? No Blu-Ray for you? you only play 1 game? That's interesting, but I could careless. Having both systems is always a plus(They've both been out a while) I save money for what I want.


I think Sony realizes what GT does for them, that should be obvious with Sony having PD create a PSP version of GT to generate sales there for PSP, and adding 3D with their release date to promote sales of 3D televisions. Then add in what everyone had assumed a big budget of 60 million then surely Sony has taken notice.

But again if Forzas budget has been bigger and lacks the quality of such an investment. Then that will provide my interesting perspective I'm looking for.
And you've gone and assumed I said that's why you wanted the numbers.
Though you hint at the end that some of my list does apply to you. You want to compare the games based on their respective budgets.
You're already operating under the assumption that T10 has a bigger budget, and the game won't be as good, very telling final sentence you have there.
BTW I highlighted the first sentence now too, so you can see where you told me I think I know a lot, and then the final sentence where you say you want to do exactly what I said people would do with it. ;)

Budget vs game quality is irrelevant to 99.9% of gamers as they play the game, it's much more just a fuel for people to defend the lower budget games.

Well, I have to say, I'm still not getting this. Could you explain the logic?

It's easy to see how Forza could be construed as a copy of the GT formula, but I fail to see how GT was a copy of NFS, given at the time NFS was an arcade racer all about evading cops and dodging through traffic, with only a handful of high-end cars available and no upgrade options or personal garage, no licences, no in-game currency etc.

If you mean it copied NFS because they're both "racing games", then I think we both need to agree that you're being more than a little facaetious, and all true credit for the genre actually goes to via Space Race.
For starters, it would be nice if you could bother yourself to read the posts already made, rather than ask me to post it all again.
The moral of the story is many people like to call FM a "copy" of GT5.
I said FM is only a "copy" in the sense that it's a similar game of the same genre. Microsoft said, "Let's make a sim on the level of GT but better." I'm not even talking about whether or not they did, just what they set out to do, which is make a game similar in nature, but better.
As most already know, GT left many huge gaps of lacking content and poor implementation on the past 5-7 years, for all 3 GT games, GT4, GT5P, and GT5.
I can't blame or dub any game that comes along looking to make a game like everything GT could be a copy, because they're clearly not trying to copy, they're trying to make it better.
Tenacious D made a list to determine things that make it a copy, a list which was all either realistic, or was done before GT1.
So according to his list, GT would have had to "copy" other games for some of the very "reasons" he claims FM is a copy of GT.

Furthermore, T-D claims Microsoft's history of making one-offs proves that FM4 is a copy, which is speculation at best.

CSLACR,

my god man. Do you sit with a straight face when you deny forza is GT copy? Their own Game director said he was in the industry because of GT and Kaz.

every single one on this site knows Forza is GT copy. The difference here some accept the cold hard truth and some don't
I'll repeat the other comment.

Creation is not without influence.

Kaz had influence too, everyone always does, that doesn't make everything a copy.
Maybe we need to bring back the Rolling Stones & Beatles analogy again? That the Stones second single was a cover of the Beatles, yet the bands were actually nothing alike?
 
You still dont get it CSLACR.

1st off your points had nothing to do with what I was looking for, I explained that.

And you continuously bring up other ideas or points to of assumption.


You're 99.9% number has nothing to do with anything I've said.

I state again... "From a business standpoint" Did I say a gamer standpoint? No

Now you're just putting together words and thoughts just to be on the opposite regardless of how wrong you are.
 
You still dont get it CSLACR.

1st off your points had nothing to do with what I was looking for, I explained that.

And you continuously bring up other ideas or points to of assumption.


You're 99.9% number has nothing to do with anything I've said.

I state again... "From a business standpoint" Did I say a gamer standpoint? No

Now you're just putting together words and thoughts just to be on the opposite regardless of how wrong you are.
Business? What business do you have with T10 or PD?
 
@CSLACR

WTH is wrong with you dude?
That's has no relevance either.

Just because I employ that type of critical thinking into my mindset has nothing to do with what your asking.
 
@CSLACR

WTH is wrong with you dude?
That's has no relevance either.

Just because I employ that type of critical thinking into my mindset has nothing to do with what your asking.
It's not just knowledge sake, what did I say after? "a business standpoint in relation to time considerations.

It' not a useless number, as one learns if an investment profits on the cost, and if it was worth the cost. One of the many things you can take out of it. Your logic baffles me.
So you have no business with either company, and it's not just for knowledge's sake.
Here's the truth, unless you lied.
For me, it was never knowing to tout expenses for the game, but quality with what how much of an investment put in. The thing I would see people complain about is that they assumed GT5's budget of 60 million warranted them a perfect game, so I'm actually on the opposite of what you're assuming. So say Turn10 spent more than that with their budget, and FM4 doesn't reach it's own high expectations, then that could be very telling of the quality vs invesment with that game.
You want to compare the games and factor the budget in to determine if the extra budget equals extra game.
So the options are as follows, as I said in the first place.

Look, FM4 cost more but still isn't as good.
Look, FM4 is better, it must be because it cost more.
Or vice versa
Look, GT5 had a smaller budget and is still better.
GT5 is only worse because they didn't operate under Microsoft's wasteful spending, no fair.

Of course we're still assuming FM4 cost more, but since you assume GT5 cost less then FM4, logic dictates you must be looking for a reason to justify GT5's quality level.

Budget numbers have their place, in a business discussion that won't be taking place in the "GT5" forum. If you wish to just discuss the merits of spending's relation to quality in general, you can do this without both FM4 and GT5.
 
You stillll don't get it CSLACR.


Yes that's obviously the next part of it, when you put in the specifications of this direct comparison. I was arguing your idea of importance of the information in general, after that then we start comparing this information with the games at hand.

STILL making assumptions of your options.

1st off I never am concretely assuming FM4 cost more, only based on the little information that has been given. That's why I wanted this info in the 1st place.
This logic dictates on quality for cost. It's still the same regardless of names.



Look, FM4 cost more. Interesting, does the quality match? If so, nice within their 2 year time frame aswell... aww I see makes sense. If quality doesn't match, then not looking like a great investment.(In relation to GT5)
FM4 Cost less... Quality good. O wow nice, they have seem to get allot out with such a limited budget in such a time. Quality bad, well they might need more investment.
When that's understood, then the comparisons can be made to GT's business model in consideration to time frame aswell.

YOU are STILL making YOU"RE OWN PRESUMPTIONS of my perspective and are WRONG AGAIN.

And these business talks can be discussed how ever I like, especially since it is in correlation to GT.

Still putting together words for the sake of it I see CSLACR.
 
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I'm sorry. I can see why some people like Forza. But for me it's just too arcadey.
I mean look at this new footage from the demo that is out tommororw. To me it looks more like NFS than GT o_0

(racing starts at 1:30):
 
You stillll don't get it CSLACR.


Yes that's obviously the next part of it, when you put in the specifications of this direct comparison. I was arguing your idea of importance of the information in general, after that then we start comparing this information with the games at hand.

STILL making assumptions of your options.

1st off I never am concretely assuming FM4 cost more, only based on the little information that has been given. That's why I wanted this info in the 1st place.
This logic dictates on quality for cost. It's still the same regardless of names.



Look, FM4 cost more. Interesting, does the quality match? If so, nice within their 2 year time frame... aww I see makes sense. If quality doesn't match, then not looking a great investment.(In relation to GT5)
FM4 Cost less... Quality good. O wow nice, they have seem to get allot out with such a limited budget in such a time. Quality bad, well they might need more investment.
When that's understood, then the comparisons can be made to GT's business model in consideration to time frame aswell.

YOU are STILL making YOU"RE OWN PRESUMPTIONS of my perspective and are WRONG AGAIN.

And these business talks can be discussed how ever I like, especially since it is in correlation to GT.

Still putting together words for the sake of it I see.
The irony is you just made a post claiming you want to do exactly what I just said you want to do, and somehow you don't know it?

The only "debatable" thing here is what you're hoping to find, being a prominent GT over FM guy, it's not hard to figure out what you hope to find, and how you hope to be able to use it.

I'm just telling you ahead of time, even if you get hold of FM4's budget (which you probably won't) it won't change anything, that's all.:)

And these business talks can be discussed how ever I like, especially since it is in correlation to GT.
I'll leave that up to you and the moderators.
But what you're looking to do is a financial FM4 vs GT5.

BarronGeddon
I'm sorry. I can see why some people like Forza. But for me it's just too arcadey.
I mean look at this new footage from the demo that is out tommororw. To me it looks more like NFS than GT o_0
But that's impossible, it's a copy of GT. :)
I stopped watching at 4 minutes, it's a DS3 user that doesn't drive hard enough to get a decent look from what I saw, and they didn't appear to have the intent of pushing any harder.
But it does look a bit like shift in the handling department.
 
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The irony is you just made a post claiming you want to do exactly what I just said you want to do, and somehow you don't know it?

The only "debatable" thing here is what you're hoping to find, being a prominent GT over FM guy, it's not hard to figure out what you hope to find, and how you hope to be able to use it.

I'm just telling you ahead of time, even if you get hold of FM4's budget (which you probably won't) it won't change anything, that's all.:)

I'll leave that up to you and the moderators.
But what you're looking to do is a financial FM4 vs GT5.




No. I was merely arguing your previous post of the importance of understanding this from a business perspective.

What I wanted overall, was that business perspective to relate it to these two game companies.

You see now? Like I said you assume you know allot and are very egotistical in your presumptions . And didn't even understand my perspective from the get go, as I just explained to you in the previous post. And you chose to respond with something you were WRONG with again.

And getting this info for me only provides understanding, not change.


EDIT: I think the mods understand that this thread seems to be a more a discussive thread, as the OP is pretty much understood in the Poll. And some of this many informations/discussions can be in relation to why the game should be dropped or not.
 
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No. I was merely arguing your previous post of the importance of understanding this from a business perspective.

What I wanted overall, was that business perspective to relate it to these two game companies.

You see now? Like I said you assume you know allot and are very egotistical in your presumptions . And didn't even understand my perspective from the get go, as I just explained to you in the previous post. And you chose to respond with something you were WRONG with again.

And getting this info for me only provides understanding, not change.


EDIT: I think the mods understand that this thread seems to be a more a discussive thread, as the OP is pretty much understood in the Poll. And some of this many informations/discussions can be in relation to why the game should be dropped or not.
So you just want to know for knowledge's sake?
 
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For starters, it would be nice if you could bother yourself to read the posts already made, rather than ask me to post it all again.
The moral of the story is many people like to call FM a "copy" of GT5.
I said FM is only a "copy" in the sense that it's a similar game of the same genre. Microsoft said, "Let's make a sim on the level of GT but better." I'm not even talking about whether or not they did, just what they set out to do, which is make a game similar in nature, but better.
As most already know, GT left many huge gaps of lacking content and poor implementation on the past 5-7 years, for all 3 GT games, GT4, GT5P, and GT5.
I can't blame or dub any game that comes along looking to make a game like everything GT could be a copy, because they're clearly not trying to copy, they're trying to make it better.
Tenacious D made a list to determine things that make it a copy, a list which was all either realistic, or was done before GT1.
So according to his list, GT would have had to "copy" other games for some of the very "reasons" he claims FM is a copy of GT.

Furthermore, T-D claims Microsoft's history of making one-offs proves that FM4 is a copy, which is speculation at best.


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Right, so what you're saying is FM is / wasn't a copy of GT because of some list that someone else put up. Yet now you're stating that they made a game "similar in nature, but better" (so, they copied the formula - fine, it happens all the time; no skin off my nose) and hence is a copy? Which is it? It seems like you're just trying to win a petty argument, rather than be pragmatic about it and concede the facts.

FM was a copy of GT (any negative connotation is purely in your own mind); in the same vein, that doesn't make GT a copy of NFS, irrespective of what someone's "list" says. Would you agree?
 
Right, so what you're saying is FM is / wasn't a copy of GT because of some list that someone else put up. Yet now you're stating that they made a game "similar in nature, but better" (so, they copied the formula - fine, it happens all the time; no skin off my nose) and hence is a copy? Which is it? It seems like you're just trying to win a petty argument, rather than be pragmatic about it and concede the facts.

FM was a copy of GT (any negative connotation is purely in your own mind); in the same vein, that doesn't make GT a copy of NFS, irrespective of what someone's "list" says. Would you agree?

I'm pretty sure it was T-D that was implying it was actually plagiarism rather than producing a similar game.

I don't see how CSLACR could make his point any clearer or how many people can't understand his point.

It's a very strange world.
 
It's Gran Turismo vs Dark Souls here. I'll wax and wane between the two in the upcoming weeks.

By the way this thread is bigger than it should be.
 
It's Gran Turismo vs Dark Souls here. I'll wax and wane between the two in the upcoming weeks.

By the way this thread is bigger than it should be.

It should be closed if there was any sort of fair moderation. No offence. Seriously look at the opening statement to the poll. It roots people tho.
 
It should be closed if there was any sort of fair moderation. No offence. Seriously look at the opening statement to the poll. It roots people tho.
The mods must be enjoying and laughing at people discussing this thread. I would to :lol:
 
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