Anyone planning to drop GT5?

[alucard0712]

T10 are actually smart guys...They upgraded FM3 models and made new 1.000.000 poly models for Auto-Vista mode, at the time when next-gen Box came out they will replace all "old" Non-AV models with Auto-Vista quality models and just use them in-game. That's what I call smart move.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

For all of you ignorant folks who think Forza 4 is not on GT5's level graphically.

[YouTube]w0qoMJA8JcA[/YouTube]

Im guessing this was at me
Auto Vista always looked good
Im not denying that but its a known fact they use different models when racing.
Im not saying Forza graphics are bad. But they are cartoony or not realistic.I prefer good looking realistic graphics over great looking cartoony graphics
Thats just me some people prefer more vibrant colors and exaggerated saturation gamma and contrast nothing wrong with that. But if you put forza next to real life you will be able to tell the differences easily whereas GT5 it would be a bit harder. Like I said Forza graphics are great but I prefer more realistic looking tracks and cars and environments.

People said the same about shift 2 Laguna seca track. But when they did the comparison to the actual track GT5 came out on top.It may not be as pretty with the colors and balloons and what have you but its damn realistic and looked like the real thing.

 

[CSLACR]

Why is everyone so focused on graphics? There's a hell of a lot more to making a good game than looking pretty.

I'll give anyone 2 guesses to name how many games I've been unable to enjoy because of sub-par graphics.

The best part about that video, and FM's weakest link, is that it's an advertisement for product intentionally left out of FM4 just to be sold for extra at release.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

@CSLASCR
Im not " so "focused on graphics Im just replying to a comment.I made the comment about it because some people didnt see the Gameplay videos yet.

Yes. A poll taken in "Gran Turismo Planet" in the "Gran Turismo" forum doesn't have any bias at all.

Half of the people in this thread probably don't even have an XBOX.

Post the same poll at Forza Central or Forza Motorsport and see what kind of response you get.

For a level playing field post the poll at a site such as Inside Sim Racing.

Little common sense goes along way.

Im pretty sure they will say why not play both .. like most normal people would say .

 

[shurnster]

T10 are actually smart guys...They upgraded FM3 models and made new 1.000.000 poly models for Auto-Vista mode, at the time when next-gen Box came out they will replace all "old" Non-AV models with Auto-Vista quality models and just use them in-game. That's what I call smart move.

Yea both T10 and PD uses extreme polygon models and then has to scale it down to whatever the console can handle. So next gen consoles are going to be a good challenge

 

[Hotspitta]

the smell of insecurity is lic increasing bit by bit. Forza 4 is round the corner and yet people can't stop talking about GT.

No thats the smell of ownage. Thats is how you properly use the Topgear license.

 

[shurnster]

77.7% of people dont own a xbox.

And how do you know that? Did you ask over 200 people do they have an xbox? There's some people who prefer GT5 over FM3 whilst FM3 over GT5. It just comes down to personal preference.

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

Thats too bad, they should get one.

If you dont have a ps3 let alone GT5 why are you on here? Lol
Im curious
And assuming everyone that voted no dont have a Xbox is just purely ignorance.

Its dumb to drop a game to play another
I still play Dirt 2 even tho I got Dirt 3
I still play GT4
Should I drop those games because something better or newer is out ?
No that makes no sense

 

[Hotspitta]

If you dont have a ps3 let alone GT5 why are you on here? Lol
Im curious
And assuming everyone that voted no dont have a Xbox is just purely ignorance.

Its dumb to drop a game to play another
I still play Dirt 2 even tho I got Dirt 3
I still play GT4
Should I drop those games because something better or newer is out ?
No that makes no sense

No but i sold because i did not enjoy it enough too keep it together with the ps3. I did love the graphics though. 👍

 

[friedi]

Why is everyone so focused on graphics? There's a hell of a lot more to making a good game than looking pretty.

I'll give anyone 2 guesses to name how many games I've been unable to enjoy because of sub-par graphics.

The best part about that video, and FM's weakest link, is that it's an advertisement for product intentionally left out of FM4 just to be sold for extra at release.

yeah agree 100% with you... most new pc/console games look pretty nice... but storyline etc is trash

i dont want to buy a xbox because of FM4, FM4 is also not the real deal, i think we have to wait for the Ps4^^

 

[vandaliser]

No thats the smell of ownage. Thats is how you properly use the Topgear license.

sure is buddy. Top gear is going to make me shell money for a new console. whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

[shurnster]

No thats the smell of ownage. Thats is how you properly use the Topgear license.

No that's the smell of your opinion

 

[ZEROX]

. . .
Imma drop both and play Battlefield 3.











Seriously, i won't drop it either way. I bought the game, it would be a waste of money and it's a racing game, which i love it so much. So, no.

 

[CSLACR]

yeah agree 100% with you... most new pc/console games look pretty nice... but storyline etc is trash

i dont want to buy a xbox because of FM4, FM4 is also not the real deal, i think we have to wait for the Ps4^^

That's what I said of GT5 and PS3, oh how I was disappointed.

I know squat about FM in general, but I know the content is to much to look away from, I will play it at some point. At this point, all they have to do is have physics close to as good as GT5's, which I expect it will, and it'll have to be as good for me as GT5.
GT5 pretty much let me down in every possible way, shape, and form, any game coming along with equal physics, or close to, can easily be made a better, more enjoyable game for me.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

T10 are actually smart guys...They upgraded FM3 models and made new 1.000.000 poly models for Auto-Vista mode, at the time when next-gen Box came out they will replace all "old" Non-AV models with Auto-Vista quality models and just use them in-game. That's what I call smart move.

See # 3.

FM4 uses up to million polygon count for car selection also which is similar to photomode and auto vista which isn't racing gameplay.

Care to share your source? So I do not have to type it again see # 3.

Im pretty sure they will say why not play both .. like most normal people would say .

Which is the point entirely. Good job, we are making progress.

Im guessing this was at me
Auto Vista always looked good
Im not denying that but its a known fact they use different models when racing.
Im not saying Forza graphics are bad. But they are cartoony or not realistic.I prefer good looking realistic graphics over great looking cartoony graphics
Thats just me some people prefer more vibrant colors and exaggerated saturation gamma and contrast nothing wrong with that. But if you put forza next to real life you will be able to tell the differences easily whereas GT5 it would be a bit harder. Like I said Forza graphics are great but I prefer more realistic looking tracks and cars and environments.

People said the same about shift 2 Laguna seca track. But when they did the comparison to the actual track GT5 came out on top.It may not be as pretty with the colors and balloons and what have you but its damn realistic and looked like the real thing.

1- It was not directed at you or anyone in specific.

2- I am not denying the exquisite detail of GT5's premium models. But, let me point out a comparison for you if this is even AT ALL the case: 20% of GT5's graphics are better than FM's.... the other 80%? Judging by your comment it seems the only gameplay videos you have seen were captured off screen and most likely viewed on your computer. Until you have seen the videos on your own TV in 1080p you wont know what you are talking about. Don't have an XBOX? Funny. There are FM4 videos all over the dashboard in HD.

3- The linked YouTube American Car Pack trailer is neither Autovista nor photomode. Do you know how many cars have been modeled at the 1M level for Autovista? (Hint: It is not all of them and Autovista most likely will not include any of the vehicles displayed in said video). I will even link you to the website where this information is found: www.ForzaMotorsport.net

Amazing right?

Since members have complained of comparisons of the graphical nature, try the following on for size:

4- How is that grind treating you?

5- How about those leaderboards?

6- That premium Prius sure does look good. Too bad there are... oh, I don't know.... 800 cars that should have been modeled at the level before the Prius. Decisions, decisions. Guess who left common sense at the door.

7- Gotten any DLC lately?

8- Finished that 24 hour endurance yet? Too bad you can only pause it. How long did you end up leaving your PS3 on? Not to worry; I heard the save feature was on its way months ago.

9- Save any tunes lately?

10- Create any liveries lately?

11- Made any money on the marketplace selling tunes, cars, or liveries?

12- How about those paint chips? Bet that is a hassle.

13- Sent any cars over $1M lately?


14,15,16... - I could go on and on.

 

[NotSoSilentBob]

GT5 is only just getting it's stride, why would anyone just walk away when new updates keep coming? I would rather wait a little longer then pay 60$ for a new game with minor updates.

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Only game I've decided to share time away from GT5 with is iracing re-vamped. Forza is a lot of hype, I'll be anxious to see what their new physics makeover will be like, but that game isn't enough for me to go buy an xbox when I've been content without one this long. Plus I'm not paying monthly if it ain't iracing.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

@ZOO

I get the best physics on a console game, with a great selection of cars to drive on the day\night transition of the best recreated Nurburgring.

 

[CSLACR]

Since members have complained of comparisons of the graphical nature, try the following on for size:

4- How is that grind treating you?

5- How about those leaderboards?

6- That premium Prius sure does look good. Too bad there are... oh, I don't know.... 800 cars that should have been modeled at the level before the Prius. Decisions, decisions. Guess who left common sense at the door.

7- Gotten any DLC lately?

8- Finished that 24 hour endurance yet? Too bad you can only pause it. How long did you end up leaving your PS3 on? Not to worry; I heard the save feature was on its way months ago.

9- Save any tunes lately?

10- Create any liveries lately?

11- Made any money on the marketplace selling tunes, cars, or liveries?

12- How about those paint chips? Bet that is a hassle.

13- Sent any cars over $1M lately?


14,15,16... - I could go on and on.

I agree with all those points, but show me where someone "complains" about graphical comparisons.
Since I know you're speaking of me, you should understand beforehand, that that was, if anything, a 'defense" for FM, not GT5. And truthfully a defense for nothing, just a general statement that all the "omg grafix" posts are pointless, graphics don't make games good, they sell copies, and impress first time viewers, but a crappy game with perfect graphics is still a crappy game.

Back to the points you've made, we'll have to see what all is included for FM4, and how well any or all of it works before any of them count as "better" than anything.

You see I personally dislike Microsoft, the XBOX, altogether, and I also dislike the attitudes and comments I see not only rabid FM fans make, but even the folks at Turn 10, people really underestimate the power of arrogance being displayed, if you want to encourage people to come try your game, best off not telling them what they currently like sucks. 💡
Of course this is just a rant aimed at FM fan boys and T10 bigmouths in general, to stupid to understand the power of their own idiocy.

You see, if I like GT5, and someone says, "hey, you'll love FM4 because x, x, and x" I will probably want to try it, but if they say "GT5 is terrible, you'll like this better because it doesn't suck", not only have you insulted me, but you've brought your own opinion into question, because if you don't like what I do, how would you possibly know that I'll like your game more?

 

[Slash]

They've got to the 1 year mark for me. Then I'm done with PD.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

@ZOO

I get the best physics on a console game, with a great selection of cars to drive on the day\night transition of the best recreated Nurburgring.

Opinion not fact. This is like me saying: "Burger King is better than McDonalds because they have better fries."

Forza 4 is weeks away. After which that physics spot is up for grabs. Don't think they can compete because of past installments? History if full of surprises.

I agree with all those points, but show me where someone "complains" about graphical comparisons.
Since I know you're speaking of me, you should understand beforehand, that that was, if anything, a 'defense" for FM, not GT5. And truthfully a defense for nothing, just a general statement that all the "omg grafix" posts are pointless, graphics don't make games good, they sell copies, and impress first time viewers, but a crappy game with perfect graphics is still a crappy game.

My apologies. I misunderstood how you were conveying your message.

But, I am not here to debate marketing strategies.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Opinion not fact. This is like me saying: "Burger King is better than McDonalds because they have better fries."

What I said is not an opinion.

Fact-Best physics on a console
Fact-Best recreated Nurburgring.
Fact-A good enough selection of cars(regardless of personal tastes/dislikes)
Fact-Day/night Transition Forza doesn't have.


Although I have read comments that Forza 4 is going on the drifty side of taking turns, as some of the videos look that way as well.

 

[Tenacious D]

It wants to be a simulator, but cannot simulate anything apart from solo practice laps

ORLY?

At this point, all they have to do is have physics close to as good as GT5's, which I expect it will, and it'll have to be as good for me as GT5.

Sounds like GT5 is simulating something other than solo practice laps.

And II-zOoLoGy-II, I went on and on about flaws just with Forza 3 in that other section of the boards, so acting like GT5 is full of fail while Forza is neverwuzthat is completely biased. This is what kills me about Forza fans in general. Ask any one of them to produce a list of Forza issues, and it's almost like they'd rather eat glass. I know Gran Turismo is full of dreaded fanboys, but good grief, you can't openly criticize Forza on even a non-Forza site because a number of you guys get all bent out of shape over it. And the mods on Forza sites are as bad as the fans.

If this is yet another typical Forza from T10 full of crap I have to swallow just to do simple things like share pics, don't expect me to not open a huge can of I-told-you-so.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

What I said is not an opinion.

Fact-Best physics on a console
Fact-Best recreated Nurburgring.
Fact-A good enough selection of cars(regardless of personal tastes/dislikes)
Fact-Day/night Transition Forza doesn't have.

Although I have read comments that Forza 4 is going on the drifty side of taking turns, as some of the videos look that way as well.

You need to grab a dictionary and look up the definition of fact and opinion.

ORLY?

Sounds like GT5 is simulating something other than solo practice laps.

And II-zOoLoGy-II, I went on and on about flaws just with Forza 3 in that other section of the boards, so acting like GT5 is full of fail while Forza is neverwuzthat is completely biased. This is what kills me about Forza fans in general. Ask any one of them to produce a list of Forza issues, and it's almost like they'd rather eat glass. I know Gran Turismo is full of dreaded fanboys, but good grief, you can't openly criticize Forza on even a non-Forza site because a number of you guys get all bent out of shape over it. And the mods on Forza sites are as bad as the fans.

If this is yet another typical Forza from T10 full of crap I have to swallow just to do simple things like share pics, don't expect me to not open a huge can of I-told-you-so.

When did I say Forza has no flaws? When did I say I was a Forza fanboy? Guess which sim I give the most playtime. (Hint: Doesn't start with a G or an F).

You want a list of flaws for Forza 3? I will produce one. Too grippy, over-saturated colors, RWD is noncompetitive with AWD... etc etc. Guess what issues T10 has addressed? Want a list for Forza 4? I wouldn't know I haven't played it, and since Forza 4 is what this thread is about.....

The great thing about T10 is that they listen to their community and make adjustments based on what their community requests. They don't respond to constant requests of integrating a save feature into endurance races with useless helmets and coveralls.

I am off to continue my education. Good day to you.

 

[Bushby_23]

2- I am not denying the exquisite detail of GT5's premium models. But, let me point out a comparison for you if this is even AT ALL the case: 20% of GT5's graphics are better than FM's.... the other 80%? Judging by your comment it seems the only gameplay videos you have seen were captured off screen and most likely viewed on your computer. Until you have seen the videos on your own TV in 1080p you wont know what you are talking about. Don't have an XBOX? Funny. There are FM4 videos all over the dashboard in HD.

3- The linked YouTube American Car Pack trailer is neither Autovista nor photomode. Do you know how many cars have been modeled at the 1M level for Autovista? (Hint: It is not all of them and Autovista most likely will not include any of the vehicles displayed in said video). I will even link you to the website where this information is found: www.ForzaMotorsport.net

Amazing right?

Since members have complained of comparisons of the graphical nature, try the following on for size:

4- How is that grind treating you?

5- How about those leaderboards?

6- That premium Prius sure does look good. Too bad there are... oh, I don't know.... 800 cars that should have been modeled at the level before the Prius. Decisions, decisions. Guess who left common sense at the door.

7- Gotten any DLC lately?

8- Finished that 24 hour endurance yet? Too bad you can only pause it. How long did you end up leaving your PS3 on? Not to worry; I heard the save feature was on its way months ago.

9- Save any tunes lately?

10- Create any liveries lately?

11- Made any money on the marketplace selling tunes, cars, or liveries?

12- How about those paint chips? Bet that is a hassle.

13- Sent any cars over $1M lately?

14,15,16... - I could go on and on.

Graphics, I agree with. Not that its a game breaker, but its enough to notice.

You simply cannot use gameplay in an arguement for a yet to be released game. Next month, yes, but not now.

Yea leader boards would be cool, but I'm not hanging around for em.

The fact that pd premium modelled a wide range of types of car is better than only premiuming the fast ones.

Dlc, its not a requirement that all new games have dlc, and I have no idea why people see it as this way. And let pd take a leaf out if t10's dlc additions, and do it at release. That's just money whoring, why make people pay for something that should've really been included at launch.

Enduros, yea its a bit of a pisser that there aren't saves, but ill live. I mean, what enduros do Forza have (serious question, I have no idea)?

Why do you assume that if gt doesn't have something that Forza does, then it must be put in gt pronto? Some features would be nice, but pd doesn't have to cover off every thing that every competitor does.

No issues with the paint chip system. I don't paint every single car I own a different colour that I bought it in, or in most other cases either.

Ditto above for $1m cars, it doesn't trouble me.

But those are all my opinions. Others will share different ones, that's fine.

I'll say it before and ill say it again. Yes I don't own an xbox, but am looking at getting one. And even if I had one now, I still wouldn't dump gt5 for another game. I don't dump any of my games for a new one. I play them all.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

You need to grab a dictionary and look up the definition of fact and opinion.

What a funny guy.


It's not an opinion because we can calculate physics(feeling wise and number wise) of any game to real life. Therefore, we can base the choice on fact as we have a concrete/REAL life subject to compare all games physics too.

Same goes for the Nurburgring comparison.








EDIT: Or you can just make 3 race car drivers out of it

 

[sumbrownkid]

It's getting a little heated in here...

 

[axl54]

For a change................. ego battle.........begin!

 

[Tenacious D]

The great thing about T10 is that they listen to their community and make adjustments based on what their community requests.

You're right, PD haven't patched a thing in GT5 since release...

I am off to continue my education. Good day to you.

Don't stop learning, but frame an argument properly if you want to win friends and influence people, rather than kick up a bunch of worthless dust.

This thread has certainly seen better moments.

 

[shurnster]

3- The linked YouTube American Car Pack trailer is neither Autovista nor photomode. Do you know how many cars have been modeled at the 1M level for Autovista? (Hint: It is not all of them and Autovista most likely will not include any of the vehicles displayed in said video). I will even link you to the website where this information is found: www.ForzaMotorsport.net

Ok? Your point is? You haven't post any racing gameplay just a car selection video which is something I'm not interested in. Dan already said cockpit will have IBL and better textures which doesn't have to do with high polygon count that's on par with GT5. The game itself looks good IMO but don't criticize by calling people ignorant folks. I've seen racing gameplay videos that looks good but they don't have the same photo realism as GT5's strong area's imo.

And you say that Turn 10 listens to their community? What happened when many fans asking that they wanted day/night cycles, and weather to be implemented? I find it funny that if a Forza fan creates their own thread and criticizes FM4 for not having day/night cycle and weather then the thread gets locked.