Automatic or Manual?

Automatic or Manual?

  • Automatic

    Votes: 18 29.5%
  • Manual

    Votes: 46 75.4%

  • Total voters
    61

Parnelli Bone

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What kind of transmission do you prefer? I learned how to use manual by accident because I started a race and hit the wrong button! But sometimes I'll use automatic, for certain cars. Never for a sports car, though.
 
Well, i used to play automatic because it was way easier cuz i didnt have to worry about shifts. About a year or so ago, i decided to manual on time trials only cuz it seems pretty cool. Well, soon it became natural, and now i've always used manual.

Reasons for manualling:
-control the revs during downshift/cornering
sometimes when you want the car to downshift, the fking automatic sticks to say 3rd, when you need 2nd to blast out of the corner. now i found if you lift off the gas and back on it again, itll shift down. But think about it, you lose 0.05 seconds doing that, and the car lost potential being stuck on a higher than desired gear. If youre aiming for perfect corner, the car lost some of the balance because of the lift of the throttle.

-torque distribution
automatic is relentless in making the newb spin their tires unless they do alot of tapping. The cure is manualling. High torque cars need to shift to a gear higher than regular to obtain traction with the drive wheels. They can also stay on a higher gear entering a corner[this time its a good thing] because the torque is more than needed there already, and if youre on a lower gear as the fking automatic puts you, you'll end up spinning tires and losing traction + exit speed + maybe losing control of the car. an example is the shelby cobra, fully upgraded. With automatic, its a hassle to get this beast down the track and around curves. With manual, the monster torque can be distributed better, resulting in better track times of about 1-2 seconds and greater driver control + greater confidence into turns. Same with fully upgraded corvettes, and especially fully upgraded supras. Usually I just shift into 3rd for about all the turns in the course, and then use 4th or 5th on straights.

-powerband control
Why let the fking automatic shift at a 7000rpm redline, when the peak HP comes in at 5500 rpm?!? Case in point is the Plymouth Muscle Car, fully upgraded. I used to drag race a lot haha. Ok back to my point. With an automatic shifting at redline, the engine REALLY bogs down after 6000 rpm, and theres another 1000 rpm to go b4 the blessed shift!!! With manual, I can shift around 6000-6200 rpm and maintain a balance between the power going into the next gear and the loss of power on the current gear from bogging. Second case, dodge viper. The peak HP comes in around 6000 rpm, with a 5500 rpm redline. Why let the fking automatic shift at 5500, when you can get the max out of the engine by shifting at 6000?!? There are many more cars with lower redlines than peak HP, and you cant blow the damn engine in this game, so why fret, go for it.

-car control/training
it is easier to control the car once you get to use manual on it. You notice all the different spots along the rpm where things happen, like tire spin or a lot of pull. You also become a better driver[obviously...]. train yourself to listen to the sound of the engine and shift where you hear that distinct redline noise, or buzz, or watever you wana call it. The buzz for a type R, the roar for a mustang, same thing. Also, you can learn from listening how the engine should sound on any turn on a course. Like you would know what speed you are travelling in which gear and watever[i have no life, i do GT all day.....lol]

-drifting
also to do with tire spin on high powered drift cars, you can shift up to prevent over spinning the tires. Also, sometimes i found that i need to downshift during a drift, but the bastard automatic keeps me on a high gear so my car slows down to a stop and tires stop burning. Now if you use manual, you can downshift when you want to and keep the rubber hot!

-last but not least, the sound
i duno if im crazy, but i love listening to shifting gears because i kno i shifted it myself and not some crappy game program doing it for me. I also like the sound of engines exceeding redline too.

But simply put, automatic is a piece of crap... unless you are newb[great tool for newbs who haf no exposure to cars and/or manual transmission basics]
 
vette_7t9
lol i bet no1s gona read my lecture.......

Ha ha, that's how I feel about my dumb website! No, seriously, I read your lecture, you made a lot of good points, so no sweat!
 
vette_7t9
But simply put, automatic is a piece of crap... unless you are newb[great tool for newbs who haf no exposure to cars and/or manual transmission basics]

I use auto and am certain I am faster then you. Auto and manual can achieve identical times if used in experienced hands. It may require more gear ratio adjustements to suit the track in question, but i have yet to be convinced that auto is slower the manual. The different is usually the driver.
 
Mike Rotch
I use auto and am certain I am faster then you. Auto and manual can achieve identical times if used in experienced hands. It may require more gear ratio adjustements to suit the track in question, but i have yet to be convinced that auto is slower the manual. The different is usually the driver.

Sounds like a challenge.
 
Go look at my GT2 championship times (previous season), complete the race in the same car, get screenshots, and then we can chew the fat some more 👍
 
I used auto in every single race in the Gt championship a little while back and didn't fare too badly at all. manual can be quicker in rare cases, but more often than not i find the lowered strain on your brain not having to change gears, and hence take better lines outweighs the benefits manual can offer.
 
how do you guys launch high powered/torquey cars off the starting line or keep the tire spins in control with an auto?! massive tapping of the gas?
 
Yeah, I like Manual in real life and in the game. It's just more fun and keeps me that much more from thinking aobut stressful things. When I race some cars, like say a Jaguar or some other luxury car, I like to think the driver is some rich punk who doesn't want to be bothered with shifting gears. Pass the bong, please.
 
eh...ok i have to be honest, i prefere automatic...why? because i can't use manual, i have to pratice more...well i been praticing for 2 years (damn too much time) and i still can't control manual transmisson. :P
 
start off time trials until you've got the upshift and down shifts good. Or else you'll end up worrying your ass on shifting while racing haha.
 
vette_7t9
start off time trials until you've got the upshift and down shifts good. Or else you'll end up worrying your ass on shifting while racing haha.

There's a PS1 game called Ford RAcing® that I bought about a year ago before I discovered the highly addictive drug GT. In Ford Racing, you're forced to go thru 'seasons'. the first season is 4 races in a Ford Ka. Next, you do like 5 races in a Ford Fiesta...then the Escort, then the Puma...etc. Anyways, I never had a racing game (not since Atari 2600 days) so it was good for me to start off real slow in the Ford Ka. I think in my 3rd race I accidentally hit manual tranny, the rest is history...
 
I PROVED manual can be faster than Auto, even with the same car and ratios. My half brother picked the Calsonic Skyline, and so did I. Difference, I picked stick, he went auto.

Both of us took off in 1st with a redline launch, and neither touched the steering until the turn way far ahead. I was 1.5 seconds ahead of him by then. He did not lift off the gas, and neither did I.

Why did this happen?

The GT2 AT shifts at the redline. The Calsonic Skyline's power curve is a hill. The torque peaks at 5000 and drops off fast. The horsepower curve is highest between 5000 and 7000 RPM. The redline is at 8000. That last 1000 RPM is a real slow crawl before the shifting.

I go by the feel of acceleration. When the car slows up on acceleration, SHIFT!
 
noone's arguing manual to be the quicker option if you can control it.

most people just find it's worth the tradeoff to improve their driving by not having to concentrate on the gears.
 
EXACTLY stupid auto robs you of powerband control, one of my main points on my 'essay'. And you kno you still suck if you rely on a 'computer' for making shifts when you should kno damn well how and WHEN to shift by engine sound.
 
Impreza STi
I PROVED manual can be faster than Auto, even with the same car and ratios. My half brother picked the Calsonic Skyline, and so did I. Difference, I picked stick, he went auto.

Both of us took off in 1st with a redline launch, and neither touched the steering until the turn way far ahead. I was 1.5 seconds ahead of him by then. He did not lift off the gas, and neither did I.

Why did this happen?

The GT2 AT shifts at the redline. The Calsonic Skyline's power curve is a hill. The torque peaks at 5000 and drops off fast. The horsepower curve is highest between 5000 and 7000 RPM. The redline is at 8000. That last 1000 RPM is a real slow crawl before the shifting.

I go by the feel of acceleration. When the car slows up on acceleration, SHIFT!

Unless you can prove your brother isnt a lousy driver in GT2, your argument holds no weighting.

EXACTLY stupid auto robs you of powerband control, one of my main points on my 'essay'.

No you fool. That is only the case if you cant adjust the gear ratios to compensate for the altered shift patterns :dopey: But i suppose you wouldnt know that, as you seem to strike me as the type of fellow who sticks to boring, overpowered Calsonics and 700HP Supra's.
 
One of these days, we'll all be racing online in GT4...then the truth will come out. Which is better? Auto or Manual? Drifting or Grip? I'll be there! >:)
 
Parnelli Bone
One of these days, we'll all be racing online in GT4...then the truth will come out. Which is better? Auto or Manual? Drifting or Grip? I'll be there! >:)

Word :)
 
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