Avant, Station Wagon, Estate?

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Which one is Correct?

  • Station Wagon

    Votes: 8 17.4%
  • Wagon

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • Avant

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Estate

    Votes: 24 52.2%

  • Total voters
    46

MistaX

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Why the hell are there so many names for the same thing?

Which one is right?


Avant doesn't even make sense, since it means front.


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Estate. :) Because the car is big enough to populate one.

Aren't the BMW wagons called estates? Or the Mercedes ones? If they call it an estate it has to be right.
 
Station Wagon. Wagon is just a shorter term...

Estate is for stupid Northern Hemisphere peoples and Avant is for crazy Euros or something...
 
Estate means the same as Station Wagon and Wagon it just sounded fancy back in the 70s and 80s and so on.
 
They're ALL wrong. It's "Shooting Brake".
 
Station Wagon for me. That's what Japanese called them when I grew up there, and that's what Americans call them where I live today. I think "estate" is catching on in Japan though.....
 
Estate sounds nicer and of a higher class. Station wagon just sounds really average, and it'd probably fit with the Escort but not with a real car. :)
 
I just did a Yahoo! Image Search for "wagon". The first seven results are:

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wagon_kids.jpg

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Signature%20Wagon.jpg

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First result for "Shooting Brake"? This.
 
You forgot one. :)

"Touring."

Anyway, as far as I know,

Station Wagon = usa and maybe other parts of the world
Estate = Great Britain and probably most of Europe.
Touring = BMW
Avant = Audi
Wagon = 4-wheeled device used for carrying people or objects. Miniature versions are considered a children's plaything. ;)
 
Wagon is also used for the Impreza 'eststaes'.

It's funny how some people think 'estate' sounds posh. 'Estate' sounds crap over here, because of rough council housing estates. :lol:

Most things are estates, though I call BMWs tourings :D
 
The Citroën CX station wagon was known as just the "Brake". At least in the UK it was.

Edit: Thanks to ExigeExcel, the correct term is "Break", not "Brake". 👍
 
He was just kidding - but he was right too. The French word for an estate car is "break" - it's likely that "Shooting brake" is a corruption of this.
 
V8 Vantage Shooting brake is awesome, just like the 911 SB.

Someone forgot "Sportcross".
 
Estate is the word used most in magazines I read (Autocar, Top Gear ect) and I use the word too, so Estate.
 
Sation wagen is the term americans use.
Estate is what is used nearly everywhere but america.
Avant and touring is te marketing gimmiks of audi and BMW.

Wagon actually comes from the german word wagen.

VolksWAGEN.
 
Yeah I think it's just a location issue.

Me being from the US, I call them station wagons/wagons.
 
I call them station wagons, hell my truck is a station wagon....well thats what the SOS in Michigan called SUV's.
 
Young_Warrior
Sation wagen is the term americans use.
Estate is what is used nearly everywhere but america.
Avant and touring is te marketing gimmiks of audi and BMW.

Wagon actually comes from the german word wagen.

VolksWAGEN.

Um....not quite. The German word "Wagen" and the English word "wagon" simply have the same meaning (one didn't "come from" the other), and were used for horse-drawn wagons, etc. In German the word was adapted to also be used for cars, but that usage is outdated. The more common German word for "car" is "Auto" (pronounced "ow-toh"); thus, "Autobahn" ("car way/path," very similar to the British "Motorway").
 
A 'shooting-brake' is a estate version of a GT car (ie, a 2-door)

Shooting Break was the original (or more correct) term, but is often changed to Brake. In France these vehicles were referred to as "Break de Chasse," literally, break in the hunt. Brake has become a common term in England for any station wagon or sport ute.

I get the impression the Break was the common early term, but has become Brake in recent times. This is not uncommon in English (or American for that matter), where spellings vary and those variations get accepted. How many reading this have family names that are different from those in the old country, or that have evolved over time?

Shooting Breaks and Estate Wagons were originally different vehicles, horse drawn for specific purposes, but sometimes their uses would be combined into one, often on smaller holdings.

Most country houses had separate facilities for horses (stables) and vehicles (carriage house). Often you would enter in a circular drive or courtyard, and the carriages were usually on the left and the stables on the right. The carriage house was usually larger and often contained the servant quarters, being less pungent.

A well equipped country estate had a large number of carriages for work and play, sometimes different vehicles used in different seasons. Thus with high maintenance horses being used for different purposes and vehicles at different times, there were usually many more vehicles than horses.

Carriages were open and closed, with driver and driven by passenger, seating from two to eight. As these houses were often some miles from a rail or coach depot, the appropriate sized vehicle was sent to fetch them. With entertaining in the country being a big thing, people would bring large trunks for their fine items; note that most carriages did not have baggage areas.

Baggage would be collected via a hired wagon, one of the utility vehicles, or in finer houses, a special vehicle would be dedicated to that purpose, i.e. an estate wagon. Usually they had fine woodwork but not the lacquered and polished finish of carriages (think 18th-20th century woodie). Houses often had preferred colors for their rolling stock and servant uniforms. For smaller parties or smaller houses, the estate wagon might be used to collect people AND baggage, thus have seats fitted as well. In the US we often called these Depot Hacks (also Station Sedan, Traveler and Wagonette), in Germany Kombi is common, while the more poetic Italians refer to these people wagons as Giardiniera.

Someone previously dealt with the Shooting Break being a service vehicle used to transport guns, supplies, dogs and refreshments (though I suspect dogs and hor's douvres were not carried together) into the fields . . . thus the Break part of the name. I quote Steve: " Shooting break is a description derived from an old British tradition. *

In the first half of the 20th century shooting parties were a popular pastime on privately owned estates across the UK. Moving these parties around the estate was done in a 'shooting break'. This was normally a large British or American car which had a coachbuilt back half to carry the 'shooters' and their weapons etc. The term break was originally a type of horse drawn carriage."

Most shooting was for birds (or sometimes hare and varmits), and the shooters would position themselves while waiting for drovers to herd the game to them. It was smaller than the estate wagon, probably because it didn't need to be bigger, and likely to help it navigate off road terrain.

Probably the uses of these vehicles were intermingled based on size of house and varying needs. I noted a few service vehicles with the crests being attached with screws as opposed to painted on, which suggested to me that they would *be hired or borrowed when needed in some instances.

When motorcars became available, it is obvious that the better houses would carry on this activity, and coachbuilders were kept busy adapting their talents to the differently powered vehicles. Obviously the Rolls, Daimlers and Lagondas were the epitome of the breed, but Rovers, Humbers, even Fords and Austins were adapted.

My impression is that the difference today between an estate and a brake is usually size and sportiness. Remember that even large cars like the Rolls were well known for heir off road capability, being high torque and with good ground clearance. As two seat sporting cars became popular with the young blades, adding a shooting compartment provided utility and a lifestyle statement. These are sometimes referred to as Sporting Estates.

Obviously, this has continued to cars like the specially outfitted Astons, Ferraris, Jags, and even coach built Mini Coopers, usually favored by flash young men. I recall a Brit magazine suggesting that the Espada was well adapted to this purpose. I don't think anyone intended shooting brakes to ever go off prepared roads, just carry the sportsmen to and from the shooting areas.


...from shooting-brake.com !!!!!
 
-> Even thou they have the same meaning/thing, I prefer them to be called Wagon, Estate is more of a version of a house, Station Wagon is a Horse Carrage, and Avant is more commonly used as a Audi thing.

-> Hey, I keep on calling my WRX (03-29-2005) 'wagon'.
 
Do you guys get Alfa Romeo in the US?

If not, you're missing out badly!

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^ Unfortunately no, not till 2008 officials said. :indiff: I know, those A-R wagons are nice, especially the GTA-spec. (:

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