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Have fun getting eaten.:)

Well, i guess i should get my own Avatar :D Neytiri is fine as hell!

So it all works... or doesn't. Pandora is actually a moon circling a huge gas giant primary... which would actually strip its atmosphere down.

Titan, Saturn's largest moon, has a thick atmosphere (similar to venus). It has oceans of liquid methane (confirmed by hubble and cassini spacecraft).

And did you know, if you stayed at a certain height on Venus's atmosphere, you can survive and live with just an oxygen mask like how it is in Avatar? Well, and a light suit for the harsh elements, but the pressure and temperature would be the similar to earth. I don't know, i thought i'd just share.
 
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True, but the apparent distance of Pandora from its primary seems to be less than the distance from Saturn to Titan (or Pandora's primary is absolutely huge)... and Titan is a very cold world, which gives it a denser atmosphere.

And that begs the question... wouldn't a gas giant that close to a star (close enough to give earthlike conditions) become a binary, with great plumes of gas being sucked into the sun?

And what gas is dangerous to humans on Pandora? Pandora apparently has a nitrogen atmosphere (blue) and it has a lot of oxygen (open flame burns and atmospheric engines work), yet:

Near the end, we see Jake apparently asphyxiating. If Pandora's air was poisonous... he would be dead even after getting the mask from the gases in his system... wouldn't he?
 
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Secondly... "unobtanium"... it's metal, yes... it floats... double yes. What does that imply? Why are they mining it out of the ground instead of trawling unobtanium dust out of the sky? No, wait... there is unobtanium dust in the sky... it's the flying mountains of Pandora! You're going to go for a vein directly under a native town instead of those obviously rich sources of unobtanium? :dunce:
If I remember rightly, unobtanium was never actually shown floating in its own right. When Selfridge was playing around with it, it was in a circular receptacle thing. When he later showed it to Grace, he took it from the same device. It could be that this was simply a toy on his desk, like a paperweight with the added novety of whatever was placed within its range would float. We never actually see unobtanium on its own in raw form. Even when Selfridge takes it out of the receptacle, he's physically holding it.

As for the Floating Mountains of Pandora, I don't think it was ever stated that they contain unobtanium. The richest vein of the stuff ran directly under the Giant Hometree, and it was said that it was the richest deposit for two hundred kilometres. Although we never acually saw anything to suggest the actual geography like a map of the place, it can be inferred from the way humans can reach the Hometree so quickly via the Floating Mountains - and the way the Na'vi can approach the Tree of Souls - that the mountains themselves are within the two hundred kilometer perimeter. If you consider the size and the extent of the mountains, they'd have to be carrying a hell of a lot of unobtanium in order to be bale to float (if it is unobtanium that causes them to float). So much so, in fact, that the vein under the Hometree would have to utterly dwarf the deposits in the mountains for the humans to go after it instead of the mountains themselves.
 
Can someone tell me how the final battle with that scared guy in the walking machine turned out again? I know who won, but I was thinking how it went down (through the whole battle scene), and I can't put all the pieces together, and now IU can't stop thinking about it.:crazy:
 
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@ludes: spoiler tags, please... it's a major plot point!

Same for 80Y! Use the [sp0iler][/sp0iler] tags to hide any text that contains any information about the plot from halfway through onwards.
 
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Fair enough... but it's never fully explained why they want the unobtanium... what makes it so precious. They apparently have the ability to already travel at lightspeed, or a fair percentage of it. Given the amount of power such travel requires, an element will have to have some amazing properties and/or uses to justify a mining operation on a hostile world.

And if you can travel the vast distances between worlds... what's to keep you from doing a full survey and finding an ore vein that's not near hostile natives?

Again, most of this is moot because the whole world is built merely as a setting to facilitate the telling of the story... in other words, it's tailor-made to be like this... and it shows.

Can someone tell me how the final battle with that scared guy in the walking machine turned out again? I know who won, but I was thinking how it went down (through the whole battle scene), and I can't put all the pieces together, and now IU can't stop thinking about it.:crazy:


Jake lands on the big gun platform, tries to lob grenades into the lift fans, Scarface tells him... "take that! yeah... see?" shoots at him, sends him over the side, Jake unlatches a missile from the pod and throws it into the fan. Platform blows up. Jake falls to the ground, surviving by grabbing onto leaves and vines... Scarface boots up the walker, jumps out through the bomb doors and goes to hunt down Jake.

He gets to the module, where Norm has gone scurrying off for reasons unknown... he's about to smash it up when Pocahontas... errh... Neytiri... comes riding on her beast and attacks him. Jump, attack, jump, attack... disarm, then Colonel BadAss grabs it by the neck and guts it with a giant K-bar (seriously, they make Marine knives in that size? cool). Throws it to the ground, pinning the girl under it. He's about to kill her when Jake shows up. Jake grabs the firearm the Colonel dropped when he was attacked and they go at it, hand-to-hand... errh... manipulator... after that, it's a blur. :lol:

Maybe a second viewing at iMax will remind me... :lol:
 
I got a bit desensitized too, and it's why I intend to return to it with 3D glasses. Hopefully the "pop" won't arrest me from some of the parts I glossed over too much. (I only fear that a second sitting of a 2hr42min movie may be arduous...)
 
Jake lands on the big gun platform, tries to lob grenades into the lift fans, Scarface tells him... "take that! yeah... see?" shoots at him, sends him over the side, Jake unlatches a missile from the pod and throws it into the fan. Platform blows up. Jake falls to the ground, surviving by grabbing onto leaves and vines... Scarface boots up the walker, jumps out through the bomb doors and goes to hunt down Jake.

He gets to the module, where Norm has gone scurrying off for reasons unknown... he's about to smash it up when Pocahontas... errh... Neytiri... comes riding on her beast and attacks him. Jump, attack, jump, attack... disarm, then Colonel BadAss grabs it by the neck and guts it with a giant K-bar (seriously, they make Marine knives in that size? cool). Throws it to the ground, pinning the girl under it. He's about to kill her when Jake shows up. Jake grabs the firearm the Colonel dropped when he was attacked and they go at it, hand-to-hand... errh... manipulator... after that, it's a blur. :lol:


Ahhh thanks - but I remember....

The walking pod think getting shot....or smashed.....probably from the firearm (I think I remember it as) and he takes the top off....so too speak. Was that because of the tackling beast or Jake shooting the firearm?

When does Colonel BadAss smash (unintendedly....but he was going to do it anyway) through the Module? When he's battling Neytiri or when he's dueling Jake?

I know after that Jake has problems staying concious (right term? lol) because of his real body having difficulty breathing and then he's in, out etc until General BadAss picks him up by the hair, tell him he's a traitor by which time Neytiri had broken free of that...thing...and goes on to shoot two arrows at General BA.

Yeah - I think I may be up for seeing it again too.


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What I'm wondering about now though is what will it be like if I bring it home on DVD?

Do you think they will sell it in 3D?

Would this be effective?

What would the smaller screen do to the immersion of Pandora and to what extent?

If its 75% as good as in the movies (however many dimentions they decide to run with :p) then I'd be happy - but I must admit its something I wonder about. I'd love 3D, and now more movies are running 3D and they supply you with permanent 3D glasses (I got pseudo Wayfarer plastic frames and was encouraged to bring them back next time to save money and be green - instead of the crappy disposable cardboard ones that get used once) - so there's obviously now a standard in the movie industry, will we be seeing 3D DVD and BluRay?

Opinions please :D
 
Jake fights him using his firearm, but doesn't shoot it, merely uses the bayonet as they knife-fight (and BadAss has his gigantic Marine issue K-Bar...), He disarms the Colonel and shoves the bayonet through the glass.

The Colonel throws Jake away and again shows his utter disdain of poisonous gases by blowing the hatch off and holding his breath while fighting Jake. Jake tries to stab him and his native knife gets stuck in the metal beside the Colonel's head. Here, I'm fuzzy about whether the last knife attack came before or after the hatch blew, but BadAss throws Jake away, puts on a gas mask, and starts smashing windows (on purpose, though the first time, he merely stumbled against the glass) looking for Jake's pod.

Hard to remember how it all happened. A lot was packed into that fight.

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I'd be ecstatic if they packaged a home version in 3D, but it might be difficult to ensure optimum home viewing because you can't ensure the calibration will be exactly right for home audiences without giving them a fiddly color calibration sheet or making it in polarized 3D instead of red-green 3D.
 
Ok, so I just caught this movie, and I'm speechless. I really am. On a very small hand near the end, it didn't feel as epic as everyone made it out to be, but on the other, when I think about the movie as whole from Jake's intro to his "transplant", it really does seem rather epic.

But, the one thing I really liked is that even though there were quite a few plot holes (like the gas), I actually wasn't even thinking about them or the least bit bothered.

I just can't put it into words, though. The plot doesn't look like a blockbuster hit, but just the way Cameron brought it all together, the effects, the actors, the languages, the whole world of Pandora; it was just brilliant. But, I suppose that's the whole highlight of the movie, the world & the natives, not the plot.

My only question is what was the point of the subtitles?! Sometimes they used them & then other times when the Na'vi are speaking, they don't. I'm guessing they did that just to show off the language?
 
My only question is what was the point of the subtitles?! Sometimes they used them & then other times when the Na'vi are speaking, they don't. I'm guessing they did that just to show off the language?
They did that in Inglourious Basterds, too. There's a reason for it, I'm sure, but I don't know what.
 
They did that in Inglourious Basterds, too. There's a reason for it, I'm sure, but I don't know what.
I haven't seen that yet, but were they speaking German/French/etc. with the sub titles in English or vice versa?
 
Ok, so I just caught this movie, and I'm speechless. I really am. On a very small hand near the end, it didn't feel as epic as everyone made it out to be, but on the other, when I think about the movie as whole from Jake's intro to his "transplant", it really does seem rather epic.

But, the one thing I really liked is that even though there were quite a few plot holes (like the gas), I actually wasn't even thinking about them or the least bit bothered.

I just can't put it into words, though. The plot doesn't look like a blockbuster hit, but just the way Cameron brought it all together, the effects, the actors, the languages, the whole world of Pandora; it was just brilliant. But, I suppose that's the whole highlight of the movie, the world & the natives, not the plot.

My only question is what was the point of the subtitles?! Sometimes they used them & then other times when the Na'vi are speaking, they don't. I'm guessing they did that just to show off the language?

For the speaky parts of the movies, they wanted to make sure the audience didn't miss important plot points or humor when the Na'vi were talking. For other parts, I guess they figured we didn't need to know, and they wanted the audience to pick up on what was being said by reading the Na'Vis' expressions... pretty neat trick, I must say... not cluttering the screen with captions for the parts where they wanted you to pay attention to the characters.

Besides... did you really want to sit for over two hours reading Papyrus? :lol:
 
For the speaky parts of the movies, they wanted to make sure the audience didn't miss important plot points or humor when the Na'vi were talking. For other parts, I guess they figured we didn't need to know, and they wanted the audience to pick up on what was being said by reading the Na'Vis' expressions... pretty neat trick, I must say... not cluttering the screen with captions for the parts where they wanted you to pay attention to the characters.

Besides... did you really want to sit for over two hours reading Papyrus? :lol:
Still think that was weird having the alien's language as subtitles when they knew no one knew wtf they were saying....
 
For the speaky parts of the movies, they wanted to make sure the audience didn't miss important plot points or humor when the Na'vi were talking. For other parts, I guess they figured we didn't need to know, and they wanted the audience to pick up on what was being said by reading the Na'Vis' expressions... pretty neat trick, I must say... not cluttering the screen with captions for the parts where they wanted you to pay attention to the characters.

Besides... did you really want to sit for over two hours reading Papyrus? :lol:

What I was thinking.

Another thing is that they used the 3D tech to visially separate the subtitles from the movie, and they didn't put them in the centre of the screen. They offset them to an unused part of the screen (if you will).

I also like how they used 3D in the early credits. Making the role further back and the person's name further forward gave me something to look at which I thought was pretty trippy. Useless, but trippy.
 
Still think that was weird having the alien's language as subtitles when they knew no one knew wtf they were saying....
I just figured out tonight why I couldn't understand a word! The theater I had gone to had the subtitles in a foreign language. :lol:
 
So Kate wants to see this and we are thinking about going today. Is it really any different then Dances With Wolves in space? I have a feeling it isn't.
 
So Kate wants to see this and we are thinking about going today. Is it really any different then Dances With Wolves in space? I have a feeling it isn't.

I don't know, because I haven't seen it, but its epic all the same.

Go with the 3D if possible. 👍
 
I don't know, because I haven't seen it, but its epic all the same.

Go with the 3D if possible. 👍

Basically a guy goes native and fights who he originally started with, in Dances with Wolves' case, the US Army. Reading the plot synopsis for Avatar is seems to be the same thing. I'll probably wait till it comes out on Blu-Ray, I don't really fancy spend $20 to see it.
 
I reckon you should, but thats me.

It is a great movie not really because of the plot, but because of the visuals, which are enhanced at the movies - and the 3D makes it even more epic. 👍
 
Eh visuals don't make a movie worth watching, especially if I'm going to drop $40 (Kate and I's tickets). It seems like that's all Hollywood does know is concentrate on making the movie look cool and forget thinks like plot, acting, character development, whatever. Actually maybe it's the entertainment industry as a whole.

I don't know, she had Xmas with some of her family last night so maybe she got a gift card to the theatre. If that's the case I'll go based on the fact that there aren't any other movies out worth going to see.
 
The plot isn't isn't great. It isn't paint-by-numbers bad, either. People go on and on about the weak plot because the visuals are so great that the plot fails to live up to them. The plot hardly matters. The direction itself is good. The action sequences are fantastic, and the story moves along at a good clip.

And unlike Dances with Wolves, I didn't fall asleep halfway through. (oh yes, it was supposed to be a great movie, but it was too bloody long and talky for a young teenager to actually enjoy back when it was released) :lol:
 
Basically a guy goes native and fights who he originally started with, in Dances with Wolves' case, the US Army. Reading the plot synopsis for Avatar is seems to be the same thing. I'll probably wait till it comes out on Blu-Ray, I don't really fancy spend $20 to see it.
This describes about half the action genre, including District 9. It allows room for character development that the audience sees and creates a battle against great odds.
 
We went and watched the 2d version of this movie on Saturday. I can honestly say this is easily one of the best movies I have watched in years. Just phenomenal!! 👍👍 I will be buying a PS3 again when Avatar comes out for sure just to see this in blu ray. I cant wait to see it in 3D.
 
I just got back from watching The Last Return of the Princess Mononoke, I mean Avatar!

Entirely predictable, but mostly because I have seen so many movies that I can tell when something is shown early on for the purpose of making its appearance later work.

Thoroughly enjoyable, although I saw the english version with Japanese subtitles so when the natives spoke their language it was subbed in Japanese.

Will definitely have to watch it again. It is quite a spectacle for sure!
 
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