Ban on car duplication?

[Acheron79]

You may agree or may think im talking rubbish, but I do think that the word "community" on the GT5 menu was a premeditated thing. PD could have used "friends list" or "buds" or whatever. But they chose that particular word because they knew exactly what we were going to do regarding trading. A community that helps each other. Just my thoughts is all....

 

[DarthRaiden666]

Have I said I have duped car, no, I'm just saying I have no problem with it.

Level 30, 23 on my main PSN, as I have more then one PSN id. With my other one I am trying different cars by buying them too, I could send my cars to myself but I won't as I don't want too.

 

[Dazi]

"community" maybe a premeditated thing , and helping each other is cool but when u have multiple accounts and u use them for duping , there's no trading or helping .

 

[Rdp616]

Why is this such a big deal? Does it affect you or how your gaming experience goes? I could see if this gave someone an advantage but it doesn't. So what if someone wants 10 X10's.

In some aspects you could say "grinding" is "cheating" aswell. Your going into the same race over and over again with a car that's wayy more powerful than what the A.I. has and winning money that way.

To me really, it just seems like jealousy, some are mad that guy's are taking the easy route to get money and cars. And tho i don't do this myself i could care lessis someone else is. You can't force someone to play the game the way you want it to be played, and on top of that, a game that you didn't buy.

End of story. Grow up.

 

[NLxAROSA]

There will be no ban for two reasons:

1. It gives no online advantage whatsoever
2. There's no way of detecting it (so far anyway) or stopping it (elaboration below)

Let's assume I'm a legitimate user that never duped in his life. So I create a backup of my save, just for emergency. Now I start trading with my friends (all without duping). After 20 trades, my PS3 decides to die. No problem, I buy a new PS3 and put back the save. Bam, I just instantly duped those 20 cars I traded away. This is a legitimate scenario and there is no way in hell that Sony/PD will ban people for this. 👍

 

[DarthRaiden666]

On Monday I'm possibly gonna get a 320gb PS3 as my 120gb is starting to make a lot more noise then usual. (bearing in mind I have a mint 60gb still too)

My PSN will be on both machines and one be set up in another room and I will want to take my game save to the other machine to use it too. Nothing wrong with that is there.

Oh the only car I got twice is the 82 Quattro, I won it and I got it as my birthday car, seeing I was born in 1982. I don't have 2 of each of my cars other then that.

1 X2010 is enough, well when you get silver and gold in the Vettel challenge you'll have the other 2 versions and you get one for reaching level 35 B-spec. So you will get 4 X2010 when you complete the game.

 

[Vautwin]

Ok I dont know how this COD prestige boost thingy works but bee it a hack, glitch or exploit. The first problem coming up is certainly written in the terms of use on psn, a little sentence like: herby i declare all info I comitted... to be correct.... and agree to the terms of use bla bla bla (then below)
I accept

In that case a lot of people gave wrong names Bdays (we all know what for) and these are wrong i fo supplied, that is a violation of the terms of use but worse it is submitting wrong info and therfore you could be penalized. Does duping car give an adventage?? Sure you can outbuy another trader by giving an super expensive car in a deal. Tading was never meant as such?? Why do you think it was limited to 1 a day. Or the save game being locked? Think they are so dumb really?? And arguments like: Dude it is so obvious exploit that means they want us to do it??? It is so obvious and easy to race on open roads so they want us to do it. Come on let's keep our feet on the ground here.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I do not see a big problem with duping cars, Personally I had pretty much all of the race cars and had won the X1 before duping was even possible so it in no way has given me an unfair advantage in any online races. My 100 favorites list was filled with great cars long ago.

It does allow me to share hard to find cars with my friends and hold races where we all drive the same car as well as making it a bit easier to collect all of the cars for those who are into it. In the end it does not harm anyone except those who are looking to trade a car expecting a big return which is fine by me.

 

[Tvensky]

would Sony can GT5 Duppers?

After 3.56 firmware update, Sony have banned many COD prestige hackers. Technically they are not hackers because they dont hack their ps3 or COD. They just find a shortcut to boost up their prestige level in Black Ops. Basically those guys are similar as duppers in GT5.

The decision of banning prestige hackers seems like Sony no longer tolerate people who exploit glitches. So is Sony going to ban dupers as well?

I would be happy if theyre consloles explode not just ban lol (bit of a joke and bit of true)

There will be no ban for two reasons:

1. It gives no online advantage whatsoever
2. There's no way of detecting it (so far anyway) or stopping it (elaboration below)

Let's assume I'm a legitimate user that never duped in his life. So I create a backup of my save, just for emergency. Now I start trading with my friends (all without duping). After 20 trades, my PS3 decides to die. No problem, I buy a new PS3 and put back the save. Bam, I just instantly duped those 20 cars I traded away. This is a legitimate scenario and there is no way in hell that Sony/PD will ban people for this. 👍

damn, this is true...

 

[Ya Pops]

I think they should ban dupers.
Just my opinion. They can give players an advantage over others.
Problem? Come at me bro.

LOL, whut? Explain exactly how an advantage is gained please...

In simple terms for my little mind.

 

[Dazi]

LOL, whut? Explain exactly how an advantage is gained please...

In simple terms for my little mind.

here , i'll explain it to ya : some ppl get cars that cost 20mil without paying for em , while others pay for that car .

 

[TeddyBear-420]

They should make a better trade option...like you put the car up for trade with a list of cars you would want for it... it stays there for 24-48 hr if no one trades one of the cars you want the trade is off... like a car matching system. so if you trade it it cant be duped just replaced with the car you traded for

 

[Ya Pops]

here , i'll explain it to ya : some ppl get cars that cost 20mil without paying for em , while others pay for that car .

And where has the advantage been gained over others?
The question still stands.

 

[tribolik]

enough with "my cash my console my game etc..." you are simply cheating , no need to find excuses "i have three kids" , "i don't have time to race" "endurance races are boring" , if you don't like racing why buy gt in the first place , u could just buy need for speed or some other racing game where u don't have to spend your precious time " doing races " anyway , it's not your fault , it's PD's .
also i don't think sony can ban anyone for duping cars ,since PD knew what would happen when they unlocked the save game file .

I like racing but I like racing with a lot of diferent cars. And its my cash my console my game and my usb pen drive - and so they are also my cars...

They should make a better trade option...like you put the car up for trade with a list of cars you would want for it... it stays there for 24-48 hr if no one trades one of the cars you want the trade is off... like a car matching system. so if you trade it it cant be duped just replaced with the car you traded for

When will you understand that trading was not meant to be a part of this game. Trading is as bad as duping (or as good)

 

[Kwicko]

here , i'll explain it to ya : some ppl get cars that cost 20mil without paying for em , while others pay for that car .

And some people run the 24 Hours of LeMans and don't get paid anything for it, because they're sitting at the 20,000,000 credit cap. Isn't the game cheating ME in that case?


Dazi, have you traded a car? ANY car? If so, you cheated, by your own definition. You didn't "earn" any car you traded - you cheated to get it. Have you don't any B-spec? If so, you're cheating. YOU aren't doing the races, so YOU aren't "earning" any of the money, XP, or prize cars.

 

[Exorcet]

When will you understand that trading was not meant to be a part of this game. Trading is as bad as duping (or as good)

Pretty much. People were fine exploiting through trading for some reason. Didn't want to wait for level 24 for the FGT, apparently as intended? Trade for it and get it early. Didn't want to wait for a used car to show up, apparently as intended? Trade.

 

[Stones]

I usually just read a few of these types of posts. Same O same...

For the life of me, what is it with people that can't seem to get past this issue? IT'S A GAME!....
Play it and have fun or chuck it out the window. Cheaters, dupers, whatever. Just play your game. This self righteous attitude towards others by the purists is just plain getting old.

Have a nice day!

 

[DanDiplo]

One thing we need to think about is that if duping is an exploit, its a glaringly obvious one and one that was used almost immediately after the last update. PD will have known about this and decided to leave it in. So if PD thinks its ok then thats good enough for me.

That's ridiculous logic. If PD thought it was "OK" then that is how they would have designed the game in the first place. Quite clearly they never intended for people to create multiple accounts on the same machine as way of cheating to get more money.

Probably the reason why nothing has been done (yet) is that it is not that simple. PD can't stop people having multiple accounts, since many people legitimately have a need for this when more than one person in the household plays the game. They can't just ban trading because many people enjoy trading between friends as part of the social aspect of the game.

It's just a shame PD will probably have to spend time investigating ways to stop a few exploiters rather then spending the time improving the game. No doubt PD will think twice in future about allowing trading in future GT editions thanks to the cheaters.

 

[Darrencuk]

But some ppl haven't got time to sit and play the game all day long so why ban it it comes i'n handy for me at time

 

[Ya Pops]

DanDiplo, Acheron79's right.

It's glaringly obvious that people would do this, and the fact is PD don't seem to care.
It's only people like you that have a problem due to your particular moral outlook on how people play their videogames..

I'd wager that PD are just happy that people are playing their game and enjoying as many cars as possible.
If they do have a problem, it'll be due to those using jailbroken PS3's to hack their car stats, therefore gaining an unfair advantage over others online.

 

[Kwicko]

That's ridiculous logic. If PD thought it was "OK" then that is how they would have designed the game in the first place. Quite clearly they never intended for people to create multiple accounts on the same machine as way of cheating to get more money.

Probably the reason why nothing has been done (yet) is that it is not that simple. PD can't stop people having multiple accounts, since many people legitimately have a need for this when more than one person in the household plays the game. They can't just ban trading because many people enjoy trading between friends as part of the social aspect of the game.

It's just a shame PD will probably have to spend time investigating ways to stop a few exploiters rather then spending the time improving the game. No doubt PD will think twice in future about allowing trading in future GT editions thanks to the cheaters.

I don't think PD really cares if one person has more than one account, or if one household has 5 or 6 accounts. In fact, it HELPS them in their advertising if they can say that PSN memberships went up XX.X% immediately after the release of GT5.

Many people seem to think PD/Sony should have a huge problem with this, but it seems pretty plain that they don't, or it would have been stopped already. And believe it or not, most computer-savvy places like Sony and PD really *DO* hire people whose job it is to find weaknesses, vulnerabilities, and exploits. I sincerely doubt they were completely taken by surprise by people using the trade/save features to dupe or trade cars.

I suppose PSN *could* make you "verify" every account created, by tying it to a credit card or SSN. But would you really be comfortable with that model?

 

[Exorcet]

No doubt PD will think twice in future about allowing trading in future GT editions thanks to the cheaters guys who complain about nothing.

You're the one demanding they do something about it, so if they spend anytime trying to "fix" something that isn't broken, it's your fault.

Though quite honestly, I would hope that PD does get something out of this. They need to realize the aspect of GT5 that they really messed up and simply remove them from the series. Leveling an XP in particular. On top of that, we've shown them that racing is a big reason behind people buying this game, not necessarily grinding. The best outcome would be that future GT's make the traditional single player optional only, and that anyone who wants to get the full game out of the box will have that ability.

 

[NLxAROSA]

The best outcome would be that future GT's make the traditional single player optional only, and that anyone who wants to get the full game out of the box will have that ability.

Either that, or an online mode with proper rewards. 👍

 

[Dazi]

And some people run the 24 Hours of LeMans and don't get paid anything for it, because they're sitting at the 20,000,000 credit cap. Isn't the game cheating ME in that case?


Dazi, have you traded a car? ANY car? If so, you cheated, by your own definition. You didn't "earn" any car you traded - you cheated to get it. Have you don't any B-spec? If so, you're cheating. YOU aren't doing the races, so YOU aren't "earning" any of the money, XP, or prize cars.

believe it or not , i have never traded any of my cars , i've never sold any of them either , i'm thinking of keeping all the cars i got , even if i have 4 midgets , i'll never sell any of them . B-spec is cheating? i won't even try and understand how you can come to such a conclusion ... if the credit cap did not exist ppl who dupe cars would go insane so i think removing it would make things worse .

 

[Neocodex]

believe it or not , i have never traded any of my cars , i've never sold any of them either , i'm thinking of keeping all the cars i got , even if i have 4 midgets , i'll never sell any of them . B-spec is cheating? i won't even try and understand how you can come to such a conclusion ... if the credit cap did not exist ppl who dupe cars would go insane so i think removing it would make things worse .

If douping is cheating because your not racing to earn the car, and Bspec your not racing to earn th car.....

 

[MidianGTX]

That's ridiculous logic. If PD thought it was "OK" then that is how they would have designed the game in the first place. Quite clearly they never intended for people to create multiple accounts on the same machine as way of cheating to get more money.

You're using the opposite ridiculous logic. By apparently proving his wrong, you've used that as a basis for proving yours right, which it might well not be.

The real answer (in my opinion) is most likely that PD didn't specifically intend for it to happen, but they knew it was possible, and like many of the sound-minded forum members here... just-don't-care-that-much. They're making sales, they're happy.

Oh, and no one is being banned for prestige boosting in CoD either, these rumours usually spread via PSN and are nothing more than cheap, pointless chain messages. The bans taking place are limited to Black Ops only (not the entire system) and are for serious ToS breaches, which mere boosting is not.

 

[DanDiplo]

It's glaringly obvious that people would do this, and the fact is PD don't seem to care.

And you know they don't care how exactly? If your logic is that they haven't stopped it therefore they approve, then I already pointed out how it would be very difficult to stop this without inconveniencing genuine users who don't indulge in exploits. It's a complete fallacy to conclude that because nothing has been done that they somehow condone this.

I'd wager that PD are just happy that people are playing their game and enjoying as many cars as possible.

If this was the case, they would have designed the game in the first place with all cars unlocked. Clearly they didn't, therefore there is no logical basis for your claim other than you want it to be so to make you feel better.

You're the one demanding they do something about it, so if they spend anytime trying to "fix" something that isn't broken, it's your fault.

Where have I "demanded" they do anything about it? Is making false claims the best you can do to justify your position? And the audacity of trying to claim that the people who don't cheat will be to blame if the exploit is fixed shows how mind-blowingly arrogant and selfish your position is.

You're using the opposite ridiculous logic. By apparently proving his wrong, you've used that as a basis for proving yours right, which it might well not be.

That doesn't make any sense as a sentence.

But the simple fact remains - if they intended this to be part of the game they would have designed it so cars could be duped without having to jump through hoops. They didn't, therefore it is obvious that it is an unforeseen and unintended consequence.

If you people want to use exploits then fine, I don't particularly care. But what does annoy me is the way people try and justify the cheating by somehow claiming that PD really does approve of it or that it doesn't have any effect on anyone else.

 

[Ya Pops]

And you know they don't care how exactly? If your logic is that they haven't stopped it therefore they approve, then I already pointed out how it would be very difficult to stop this without inconveniencing genuine users who don't indulge in exploits. It's a complete fallacy to conclude that because nothing has been done that they somehow condone this.

Mate, you're putting far more words in PD's mouth than I have.

And my point (and Midian's, and all the others that have replied to your post) regarding you impressing your idea of morals over how people get their cars still stands.
In fact, you've only reinforced it for me with your overblown, self-righteous indignance. Well done 👍

Oh, and could you explain how duping has had such a bad effect on others?

 

[Exorcet]

Where have I "demanded" they do anything about it? Is making false claims the best you can do to justify your position? And the audacity of trying to claim that the people who don't cheat will be to blame if the exploit is fixed shows how mind-blowingly arrogant and selfish your position is.

You're getting upset about it and keep calling everyone who dupes cheaters. While you haven't walked up to PD's office, knocked on the door, and asked them to do anything specifically, you treat duping as something that should be removed and as something that spoils the game. If PD's response to this is to remove gifting from the next game [or this game] because they fear lower sales (thankfully, there doesn't appear to be so many complaining), you've got no one to blame but you for making a big deal out of it. If you just let people play as they wanted, which you should do as long as it doesn't destroy your game, PD wouldn't need to care.

The people who don't cheat? Duping is unrelated. Non dupers have just as much capacity to cheat as dupers, so everything past that sentence doesn't even apply. If Dupers were cheating, they would all be winning online races [can't cheat offline] unfairly, and duping does not promote that in any way.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

First of all, Im haven`t duped any car, eventhough I traded a carbon X1. Im just one of those guys who are too lazy to do such things. I just don`t see the necessary, I only wanted to get a carbon X1 via trading because I doubt that I will ever be able to get mine by myself. Also, Im die hard tifoso (eventhough I have huge respect for Mclaren) and a Alonso Fan, I hate Red Bull Racing and I don`t like SVettel, so I won`t do the X1 Challenge anyways. Im also not using this X1, my brother is using it.

But honestly, if Sony/PD is banning users who duped their cars, they should prepare themselves for a huge lawsuit. Technically, there is neither a trading nor a duping function in this game. It has a present and price car ticket function. You can get/sent presents from/to your friends or get a birthday-ticket. You also get prizes for completing races or golding licenses/special events or reaching some milestones (1000-ticket, paints). So, the function to being able to backup saves came with update 1.05 IIRC. I bought GT version 1.00 and not 1.05. So I didn`t aggreed to any terms which would prevent me from "duping" when I bought this game. Furthermore, PD didn`t want me to aggree to new terms either with the updates.

And... why should Sony/PD take the risk of loosing popularity etc. just to prevent some guys from duping cars in a videogame.
They aren`t really loosing any customers cause of duping. You could "dupe" cars in any GT game so far.
But you can be sure that your Sony/PD will ban you if you jailbreak your PS3 and hack savedatas to overwrite the psn id.

Edit:
Also you could say that duping is just as a glitch as cutting corners, "ghost riding" or deliberatly crashing into another guy, just to get the victim penalizised.

Edit2:
I can understand people, who love to collect cars, being angry about this exploit. But IMO we should be more angry about the economy/xp system in this game which "forced" so many players to dupe. I wonder what those guys without a internet are doing, I mean... they play the basic version of this game. No seasonal events, bug fixes, backup option etc... Those guys need to do 200 times Indy98K to be able to buy ONE 20m car.