Best Rally car for Special Condition?

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 4' started by Lightsped, Apr 15, 2005.

  1. Soda666

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    Patience isn't possible unless you have the time to devote. One can have unlimited patience, but if that individual can only play a 2-4 hours a day that strictly limits his ability to accomplish a lot. Patience is more time then skill, and winning a race with a lesser car is skill (finger(s)/hand(s). Patience more revolves around the endurance events in GT4 or in another game RuneScape. GT4 is a combination of both but as you said having a racing wheel & pedals probably helps a ton lol.
     
  2. Soda666

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    Wow, big post to quote but I'll respond anyway & only quote parts. I'm not sure if that ""Lol"" was sarcastic or not so I'll give ya the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, I can't see how you can support the point that overkill is cheating. Haven't you heard the term, "when you need it & don't have it, you sing a whole different tune"? Preparing for the worst is never wrong, nor can it be considered cheating in any aspect. For that matter the only way to legitimately cheat in GT4 is to hack the disc.

    Additionally, I hope you didn't mean that comment saying "If you're cheating, at least fess up and admit it." Since I never at any point claimed that I'm awesome at this game via my methods of overkill horsepower. So there was no point in saying that I need to fess up to anything. As far as what you do in your spare time is concerned. I'm now beginning to wonder why you even made a comment about yourself. Sure you said you don't need to justify yourself to me. On the other hand you almost attempted just that when you said, "Ha! I wish I had a little too much time on my hands! I work, though, and when I'm not at work, I do other things (other than gaming, that is) although lately I have been gaming more than usual 'cause of GT5."

    In all, the comment I posted didn't even really require your input. As I said in the beginning, and the fact that you still became involved as if you had something to defend well...yeah. What you do with your life is your business. I only said what I said to prove a point. That point, in a longer version is this. Accomplishing a lot on any type of game over the period of several years is fine. Although when one spends 8+ hours on something such as this every day that is unhealthy. GT4 has been around for 5 years, so if one played it on a regular basis (2-4 hours every other day), it's to be expected that they're done with it. This wasn't the case with me, I put my PS2 away for over a year. On top of that I bought GT4 & my PS2 about 2+ years after the game was made. Only recently have I started playing again due to a dyeing interest in RuneScape. My game completion is just barely over ½ way done, & most of my licenses are all bronze. The chance of some one like me ever bragging is the same chance that our Government is "oh so wonderful".
     
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  3. BobK

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    If the rules allow the car then it's legal, not cheating, end of discussion.

    There are plenty of examples of overpowered cars winning easily in real life racing. The Brabham BT46 and Porsche 917K/30 are two that I can think of off the top of my head.
    Usually, of course, such cars are quickly banned (BT46, Chaparral 2J) but not always (the turbopanzer).

    In GT4 terms, though, although strictly speaking it's not cheating, people who can only win with massively overpowered cars don't get a whole lot of respect hereabouts, which is as it should be, in my opinion. Such people are also the the types who keep asking how to win the GTWC or Speedster Cup, and don't want to hear the only real answer: learn to drive.
     
  4. Soda666

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    Unless you hack the GT4 disc it's impossible to race with a car in GT4 that's not allowed for that particular race. Also, when you said "learn to drive" did you stop to consider that some people don't have the racing wheel & pedals? Attempting to control a car with horrible handling with a standard controller is more then 2x as difficult as with a racing wheel & pedals. Lastly, I don't doubt that many people here also have the complete GT4 racing cockpit as well.


    In no aspect am I trying to "argue", in case it's assumed. All I'm doing is merely discussing a logical topic regarding what's considered "cheating" as a general term.
     
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  5. senamic

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    Ummmm... I know that I have not posted in this forum for a while, but I guess the old hands will recognise me, and the newbies can make of me what they want.

    Firstly, Soda666, I am not pursuing an argument, I simply want to see some clarification on both sides to this discussion. Now, the way I read this, you are technically correct, it is not officially cheating to use a car within regulations but overpowered/underweight/cherry handling/whatever. If they meet the requirements to run the race, they are legal, and thus it is not cheating to use it.

    However, I would advise caution on trying to argue this point. Similar to most other games with a strong community, Gran Turismo has a passionate fan base that enforces its own attitudes. Think of it as similar to laws and morals. You can do something that is legal in reality, but is actually immoral (such as pyramid schemes before they were made illegal, or things along that line). Similarly, within this community, we have certain morals that we adhere to (no AIDS in tunes, less is more for power, say no to B-spec, and so on). While bringing an overpowered car into a race is not cheating per se, it is against the ethics of this community, as we strive to make the game an enjoyable challenge rather than a walkover.

    I have only had time for about an hour per fortnight on Gran Turismo 4 for the past few months, so I think I can safely say that I would supposedly not have the time to put in patience. But I still attempt to. I do not use group C/LMPs in the enduros that they run in, I use GTs wherever I can in them. I do not use DTMs/JGTC500s in their endurance races, I use the slower PD cars and JGTC300s. And so on. Contrary to causing frustration, I find this actually makes the game more enjoyable, as I can have wonderfully challenging and rewarding races (for example, this race, back when I had some time on my hands, was delightful and memorable).

    At the end of the day, it is down to the individual's choice. You wish to use overpowered cars? Go ahead, we won't stop you, but be prepared to not recieve too much credit on online fora. Want to wall ride around the Ice Arena? Who's to stop you? But don't expect to get your laptimes submitted to a records site as OLR clean. You have different views, that is fine. Just understand that when you go onto a long running forum that has enthusiasts, casual gamers, tuners et al. all in a tight community, several views may be different to your own.


    Now, my two cents on rallying. I personally like to go for the old Group B(?) cars for the hard special conditions, such as the 5 and the Integrale, because they provide fun races if used stock. For medium races, I generally use the road car variants of the above, such as 5 Turbos. For easy, I go for fun cars, classics and the like, which have less power (which does help, as you are less likely to get the speed to collide with the other driver and incur a penalty), but handle beautifully. Tarmac rallies generally end up with hatchbacks for easy and medium, both new and old, or tuned clunkers (a used Suzuki from the 90s dealership, name isn't coming to mind, makes a fun Cittia di Aria car :p), and a rally car or "self made supercar" for hard (examples would be the Stratos Rally Car, or one of my old tuned cars). Tsukuba wet generally has a front wheel drive entered, with road cars for easy and medium, and a rally car such as the Xsara for hard.
     
  6. Open Addict

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    I use a controller, with the buttons (not the sticks), and when going for A-spec points, I was playing around 4 hours a day.
    Took me about six - seven months to get all gold licences and 111,813 A-spec points.
    Is this an accomplishment?
    You can accomplish them same.
    It takes patience to start with, this patience then pays off and becomes skill (or luck).
     
  7. senamic

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    I will second on that. I personally play with the two thumbsticks (and yes, I know that it is slightly less efficient than thumbstick + buttons, but I prefer it) and I have had 2 100% saves with >60,000 A-Spec points plus all gold on one save, and most gold on the other. Patience isn't about being able to complete the game in a couple of twelve hour sittings. It is about being able to complete it to your satisfaction, whether it takes a hundred one hour sessions, or ten twelve hour sessions, or several years of a race here and there.
     
  8. Parnelli Bone

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    No.

    You missed what I said yesterday. If you're giving yourself some huge advantage (which doesn't just have to be horsepower) in every race, proclaiming yourself winner over and over, blowing away the Ai every time, you are cheating. People tend to get offended when I say this, but that's because deep inside they know it's true. I'm going to amend this now, give you a fuller description of my philosophy.

    If you give yourself these advantages, yet are just able to keep up with the Ai, well that's not cheating, that's somebody who either needs practice or is pushing himself to the very limits.

    And if you give yourself overkill advantages, yet are losing race after race, well then you simply need practice! :lol:


    I did mean it, again sorry if it offends. That's how I feel.

    There was a guy over in the GT5 forum recently who started a thread in which he wanted "cheat codes", so he could do portions of his game. While I argued and disagreed with him, I at least made it a point to also congratulate him for at least admitting he's a cheater! I can admire someone who's not afraid to be honest.

    Okay. *shrugs*

    I understand that, but this is a public forum. And I disagree with you. Plus, I as much as I hate to admit, I did take offence to your comments to a small degree.

    Wow, and you call my post from yesterday long?

    RuneScape rules, by the way. :tup:

    Anyways, look, you started this discussion with these comments...


    Lol having excessive HP isn't cheating. If anything it just proves that the individual doesn't live by their PS2. If some one can win an insanely difficult race with a very low power, cheap car it just shows they have a lil bit too much time on their hands. Real life skills are fine, but being a master at a game controller is unhealthy.
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    And I'm making a rebuttal towards them because it's unfair to assume that just because somebody cares about their gaming experience and wants to make it as challenging as possible, it does not mean that person does nothing other than sit "by their PS2" all day.
     
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  9. Soda666

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    I understand what your saying, although I myself wasn't trying to argue a point. All I was doing was stating exactly what you said. That using overkill as a strategy isn't technically cheating. An individual claimed that it was so hence why I had to explain otherwise. Additionally, I don't expect to receive credit for how I play the game. I only made an account here to get help on how to my favorite cars for maximum performance. However, I can see that this site now isn't what I thought it was. Since as you explained the players here like to make the game harder or more challenging for themselves. For me having fun at a game shouldn't cause aggravation. Yes, I know in life it's important to have patience, but for me that doesn't apply to a game. After all the purpose of playing a game is to have fun in what ever way it's fun for you.

    Nice, but then again I'd have to take your world for it. Which I'm sure you'll agree is something hard to do over the net. None-the-less, yes it takes patience to start with. But not every one is allowed to have that beginning patience. I'll give an example, lets say your employer tells you to just have patience when learning the ropes & take your time to do a well job. However, not more then 5 minutes later a supervisor scolds you for not doing things quickly enough. Do you see my point? Patience is only possible when it's permitted.

    I'm glad you somewhat restated what I was trying to say in the beginning. That is that some people can't devote a large amount of time to the game. In which case, using overkill can save time. Let's say an individual is trying to complete a race but is using a very slow car. If a sudden real life event distracts him & causes him to go off course that can ruin the whole race. I take steps in avoiding this problem by always using the most powerful car allowed for the event. That way if something uncontrollable happens & distracts me, I still have a chance to get back in the race.
     
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  10. DK

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    ^ Don't triple-post, Soda666. The two speech bubbles next to the "Quote" button allow you to use multiple quotes in the same post, and if you feel as if you need to add something to your posts, there's also an "Edit" button.
     
  11. Soda666

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    Okay, I'll put it quite simple why I use overkill. Let's say your about to do a difficult race with a low HP, cheap car. If an uncontrollable event in real life happens that distracts you from the race then it's pretty much lost. I however am aware of this risk so I take measures to try & solve it. By using my overkill strategy even if I become distracted I'm still able to finish the race. Sure you can say "don't get distracted then, haha". However, there are many serious real life events that can & do happen that force distraction. In which case there's nothing you can do about preventing them. So as you can see I find security in making sure I have everything possible going for me when I am playing GT4. And yes, my post as well was long because I had a lot of material to respond to. On another note, when I made the comment about those living by their PS2. That comment was directed at any one who may be guilty of that. Only the guilty individual himself knows for sure if it applies to them or not. If it doesn't apply, then I can't see how any innocent individual reading it can take offense. Anyway, I'm sure now you can understand my reasons for overkill racing.


    I don't mind losing because I'm inexperienced, but I will not tolerate losing because of a real life problem that I can't prevent. It's like torturing a blind man who's restrained to a solid surface. It just ain't fair, which is why I take measures to deal with it.

    A bit late for that now =\
     
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  12. PF

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    You could have picked anyone but you picked Open Addict?. Fail.
    Then Parnelli, senamic and driftking ... you're new 'round here aren't you?
    These users have been contributing to the knowledge of GT4 play and tuning for at least the 3 yrs I've been lurking/posting on this site.
    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but did you not register on Nov 22 2010?

    PF

    EDIT: Oh wait, I was talking about playing against AI opponents in a computer racing game ...

    Yep, I got an erection.
     
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  13. Open Addict

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    Maybe you should click on the link in my signature that says screen shot.

    Have you even ventured in to the 200 point Subforum?
     
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    Toyota RSC. Thread/
     
  15. HondaPrelude

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    I used the Peugeot 206 rally car tuned up all the way. Works great!!
     
  16. Soda666

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    It really doesn't matter how long a person has been on a particular forum or not. It doesn't matter how "popular" they are, since popularity itself never justifies close-minded sarcasm. Additionally, I can't see how your comment about your erection was needed, but I'll take that as simply another punk sarcastic remark. It doesn't matter how new I am or how old those other forum members are. One claimed that because I take measures to deal with every day problems that automatically means I'm a cheater. Naturally I took a slight offense to this since it's like telling some one they're paranoid when they believe in just being prepared.

    Open addict, what does a 200 point subforum have to do with any of this? I hardly think now is the time to brag, or use that as leverage to say I'm obsolete.
     
  17. Open Addict

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    What does an example of an employer have to do with playing a game.
    You stated that a person who plays approx 2-4 hours a week, has a strickly limited ability to accomplish a lot.
    I was just pointing out that, you are not limited to accomplish a lot. You need patience, with patience comes practice, with practice comes skill.

    You do need to dedicate some time to this game, if you are unable to dedicate time, but you still want to play as much as you can, maybe you need to try and find some-one who can give you a game save with all the hard stuff completed.
    Maybe this game is not for you.

    Not bragging, just pointing out that a person with limited time, can accomplish a lot in this game. And whoever said you were obsolete?
    Just becasue GT5 is out, I think the GT4 forums will continue for quite some-time. I mean GT4 has been out for over 5 years and people still post and ask questions in the GT1, GT2 and GT3 threads.
     
  18. Soda666

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    The part about the employer was in a response to something different, that which I do not remember what it was about now. And yes, if a person has limited time it is more difficult for them to accomplish a lot. People aren't born perfect. Sure some may have slightly faster or slow reactions then others but that's about it. Yes I know this game requires a lot of time, why do you think I've stated what I did. Just in case some one were to claim that they can accomplish a lot in a very small amount of time (obvious bs). This game is for every one, it just means it'll take me longer to complete then some. My only problem was being accused of "cheating" when I imply overkill methods to deal with every day, uncontrollable distractions. That I know of no one said I was obsolete, I just pointed it out in case some one did or does.
     
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    Ok just so you guys will shut up. How about we all play our own ways. If soda likes to make himself a steroided out no technicque racer let him. If he feels his time is better spent in the kitty litter thats fine.
     
  20. Open Addict

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    I think with a comment like that, you are fuelling the fire again.
     
  21. Soda666

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    Yeah Open Addict your right. Although his comment isn't worth worrying about since it's obvious he's just a little kid pretending to be an adult. I will however report his post for offensive material. Aside from that I see no point in carrying on with this unless some one else asks me a question. I play the way I do because with loud mouth parents its impossible to ever concentrate on anything for more then a few minutes lol. If ya'll can't understand that, just consider yourselves lucky that it's not your life.
     
  22. BobK

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    Let me ask you a question. Are you having fun? If so then you're doing it right, and don't let anybody tell you different.

    I like a good close race. There's a lot of satisfaction to be gained by collecting an hard-earned 200 A-Spec points in a race. I also like to take a monster car out once in a while and see how many times I can lap the field, or see how far I can punt the AI into the Great Motegi Desert. If you are enjoying whatever you're doing with the game, then pay no attention to the critics.
     
  23. Soda666

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    You put that very well, and your 100% right. Fun is what ever one makes it & nothing else.
     
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    I use a Toyota RSC Rally Raid car with a stage 4 turbo for special condition. It's awesome for smoking opponents. NOT recommended if you want 200 pt races.
     
  25. isamu

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    Finally completed this dumb event. You guys were having problems with this? LOL hilarious. I used the Ford RS200 and demolished 'em.
     
  26. Jacobn923

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    Go to do Yosemite Rally 1 on Hard. Use the Subaru Impreza Rally Car Prototype '01 and upgrade its HP to the max and put dirt tires on it. You win that Impreza by completing Capri Rally on Normal but its easy as **** so you should have no trouble beating it as long as you have a car with 500+ HP.

    Completing Yosemite Rally 1 on Hard will unlock a Suzuki Escudo Dirt Trial Car '98.

    Use that to complete the rest on the dirt and snow courses,
     
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    I used Toyota WRC Corolla, excellent rally car. I also recommend Mitsubishi CZ3 Rally car to dominate some special conditions events.