Best Rally car for Special Condition?

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 4' started by Lightsped, Apr 15, 2005.

  1. j8mie

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    This is a good point. Everyone on here is advising the use of powerful cars, when maybe this is part of the problem. too much power can be a bad thing in certain cases. I myself always use something with around 300bhp, but even then, this can be too much. I guess like anything to do with GT, you just have to learn to drive the tracks and handle the cars.

    I've not had the chance to play CMR 2005 yet, but I've played every other version before. I've always enjoyed playing them, and never had a problem with the handling of the cars. I'll try CMR 2005 sometime soon.
     
  2. vitara bigfoot

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    i use a 260 BHP lanica stratos :) very fast light and KICKS ASS
     
  3. Fruitcake

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    but it has rear wheel drive so it doesn't always gets its power on the road :)

    (and is spins faster than a 4WD)
     
  4. stanger2125

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    To me, the RS 200 is the best. Thought the the Suzuki Escudo is very powerful, its power curve is not the most enjoyable to use.
     
  5. JohnBM01

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    Remember, for the tarmac rally races, you don't need a rally car. Anything from a Daihatsu Midget up to a Nissan R92CP is still good. For the first time, someone rammed into my left-front and gave me the 5-second penalty. Not to sound like a dirty racer, but if I have a dominating car and I get rammed for it, I zoom down a straight, and ram the guy into the wall. You know, make them say "now we're even, player!" Bit of a funny story last night was that when I used that Blitz drift car against a Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII, I spun out and hit the wall, got the 5-second penalty. But as the Lancer came by, I kept blocking him with the left-front of my car, so I got another 5-second penalty tacked on, but I defended my position beautifully! So while the penalty is annoying, sometimes, it can be fun or just about the only thing you can do to win.
     
  6. RenesisEvo

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    If you look at the power curve of the Golf, it has very low torque and power at lows revs, with a large spike around 4000-upwards. So if you are below this in 1st gear, the car gets really bogged down, until its hits that peak, at which point it flies!! Try starting the car from standstill with zero revs - you'll see what happens. Then start the car from 5000 and it'll fly off the line :dopey: do quite like that car.. didnt think of it as a rally weapon, but im willing to try almost anything.
     
  7. zerob_cool

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    Is the Subaru Impreza rally car ('03) a bad choice of car compared to the rest? Is it quite a bit behind in terms of performance than a lot of other rally cars (as nobody has mentioned it on this thread I think.) Its my only rally car so far and have used it to win quite a few rally events (mostly the easy races though) It is a bit of a dog going around some corners and doesn't fly around as nicely as I thought it would though. Was considering getting a different one. The Toyota Corolla was my fave in Sega rally so thought about getting that.
     
  8. graveslids

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    Zerob, it is only a problem car if it is a problem for you. You say you are winning rallies with it, so stick to it. I used it bone stock to get through GC hard. Yes, it's heavier, and slower to turn, but it also slides nicely once you figure out how to play with the throttle. I only a DS2 and have found that you cannot button mash the rallies, lest you go for a nice 360 view of the stage.

    As for every one else complaining about the 5 sec penalty, yes it sucks, but it's also there to keep the challenge up. Look at it this way, of not for the penalty, one could just pip the AI into a nasty corner, fly away, and walk off the the gold. No joy in Mudville. Trying to find the right place to pass, and doing it clean the best challenge I've yet had on GT4, and yes, I'm 100% gold on the rallies.

    Also, to those promoting high HP, try it with a ~300 hp car. It takes some tuning, but the results are much more satisfying. The rally cars I used to get through the special conditions hall all were stock short of either gravel or snow tires. The RSC, though heavy, responds well to bumping up the spring rate some, the Imprezas like a nice caress of handbrake at Grand Canyon, and the Escort pwns Chamonix and Ice Arena. Just my thoughts on it.
     
  9. L28eT

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    Get the Skyline Pace Car...
    Put dirt tires on it and soupe it up all the way...
    It should be able to do everything...the whole freakin' Special Conditions Section:D:D:D:D:D
    Well, besides the Wet Tskuba(Hard)
    For the Wet-Tskuba(Hard) use the Formula One Gran Turismo it should WHIP the Audi R8
    Good Luck :) :) :)

    L28eT :tup:
     
  10. Poseidon88

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    Here are my thoughts on the rally races in GT4:

    The traction and handling physics are actually very realistic. Much better than even some of the dedicated rally games I've played. Colin McRae (the games, not the man) is actually one of the worst offenders, having dumbed down the physics so much that the game is way too easy. I drive a WRX in SCCA club rally events in real life, so I can attest to that much.

    That said, I honestly don't see the value-add of including rally events in this game. The gameplay mechanics are so out of whack with what rally racing is all about, it just isn't any fun. Rallying is about technique and finesse, both of which are (at best) difficult to maintain when you have to maneuver your way around another car on these narrow, low-traction courses. Rallying is also about the endurance of both the driver and the vehicle. In a game where all the courses are closed loops and damage is not modeled, there is no such element of endurance.
     
  11. zerob_cool

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    Yeah I agree Graveslids. I have got used to the handbrake and finesse when it comes to the throttle control in the Impreza. I was just wondering if I was making it way too difficult for myself with the Impreza, and would be better off with something else when it comes to the hard stages. But I am used to the Impreza tho so will keep it - I whip ass in it on Tahiti Maza for some reason! (meant to be a hard track.)

    Poseidon88 - I've been wanting to know if the rally handling is realistic for ages! Thanks for sharing that. I thought they must have changed it drastically from GT3 for a reason. GT3 was obviously not realistic enough (did seem a bit easy in GT3 really) I'd prefer the rally events were there rather than not though! It adds variety to the game and puts it above Forza and such like in the racing variety department. I personally like the rally events (even though the implementation is pretty bad.) Still, you can always do a time trial on them with no cpu opponent (I think they should have just been open ended time trial courses to start with, with no cpu dude.)
     
  12. moosejaw

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    Seriously, I did every single one of them, even the hard ones with the Nissan Fairlady Z Concept LM Race Car. Even beat out the Sauber C9 on Tsukuba with it.
     
  13. eastley

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    Use the Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car.

    Add 200 ballast weight to the Rear at 50...
     
  14. snypa

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    I agree with you. Even if it's very frustrating at the begining, it forces you to do clean laps instead of relying on pure power, and after several tries , you get used to it.

    As for me, I bought the lancer evo special rally car, and I'm pretty satisfied with it, the car is well balanced, even with 500HP.
    For the first time I really had fun while driving rallyes on dirt, and I managed to win 2 races on Hard ( yosemite and Tahiti).

    Like other events (driving missions for example), rally takes time and practice.

    Cheers,

    Snypa
     
  15. Bentley Boy

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    its absolutly mental when its tuned up!!!! :crazy:
     
  16. rschroeder5

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    Use the Peugeot 206 Rally Car 1999 fully upgraded except for the roll cage (seems to make the car slide out more on turns) and do "not" change any of the settings- You must buy it- To get the money do the second "special conditions" race (the 2nd one in easy)- Win the Toyota Rally raid car and sell it- Do this 4x and you will have the money for upgrades also- Will take about 50 minutes- this is less time than you will spend doing trial and error with the other rally cars- I have done all the testing for you- You might win almost all the races with the Subaru rally cars fully upgraded or the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car'97 fully upgraded but you will have absolute fits on the Grand Canyon (Hard) races. As it is-you will probably have fits even with the Peugeot. I test all of the rally cars in many different setups(except for the one you win in the Grand Canyon -hard races) took days of testing to figure this out.(For instance the Subaru rally car 2001 prototype has probably the highest top speed but the least grip in turns-the Subaru 2001 has slightly higher grip but slightly less top speed-the Subaru 99 has the best grip but less acceleration and top speed-the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car'97 has good acceleration but mid to top end speed lacks, and grip is just slightly less than than the 99 Subaru- The Suzuki Escudo Dirt Trial Car '98 has superb top end-but most tracks do not have enough long straights to use it-the low end acceleration is not strong enough as some of the slower rally cars take off faster-The Peugeot has excellent acceleration-it swings out the tail end good if you just flash the brakes before the turn-(this is good for kicking the tail end off walls to keep speed up and avoid the dreaded 5 second penalty)-good top speed and a well balanced car-You might find other cars slightly more to your liking or driving style on other tracks(except for the ice tracks which I used the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV Rally Car'97 on) but I doubt it(Tip-Get out front and stay out front to avoid the "other" car hitting "you" and giving "you" the 5 second penalty)- Let my extreme agony be your time saving comfort-Trust Me!!!
     
  17. graveslids

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    Moose, I absolutely destroyed the Sauber on Tsubaka Hard w/ the same car. Amazed the crap out of me really. I couldn't get any of the rally cars to behave properly, so I turned all the assists all the way up, ran the dry line, and pulled the race by something near +20 sec or so. One of the easiest wins after figuring things out.
     
  18. Poseidon88

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    That's the way I'd prefer it. Just take out the opponents and give you times to beat like the license tests.

    If you really like rally racing, one of the better games I've played in the genre is Rally Trophy for PC by JoWood. It's a couple years old now, and may be hard to find, but well worth it if you can get hold of a copy. It's more of a "classic rally" game, where most of the cars you get to drive are from the '70s or earlier. If nothing else, it gives you a real chance to work on technique as you try to wrestle an Escort MkI around a twisty gravel road. I haven't had a chance to try out Richard Burns Rally (I don't think they've released it in the states), but I hear from reliable sources that it's very good.
     
  19. Quattro20v

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    Yes, I think Richard Burns Rally is the best rally sim so far. Sliding and flying trough corners in GT4's wide tracks is like walk in the park and makes you think you're a real expert on gravel, but RBR puts your feet back to the ground. Rally Trophy is also quite nice, but since I don't have a steering wheel for PC, it isn't so much fun.
     
  20. Bentley Boy

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    it makes a nice noise aswell! :)
     
  21. rschroeder5

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    Yes it does!
     
  22. JohnBM01

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    Oh yeah, I was going to say that about the 206 Rally Car. I ran that thing in the 206 Cup under Peugeot's One-Make series, races from 149 A-Spec to 156 A-Spec. Won every race when I thought I was going to get my ass handed to. Can you believe it?

    A car that can sub as a great road racing car apart from rallying (though I've never tried it outside of tarmac races) is the Lancia Stratos. At first, I've always thought this was one of the ugliest rally cars in history... but that's until you get behind the wheel. And unlike GT2, you can actually own the Stratos street car and the rally car. I was always skeptical about off-road racing with a rear-wheel drive car. I've loved 4WD because no matter what, you get full control while in opposite lock. RWD is good for oversteer, but controlling it effectively on technical rally courses is the challenge, so you don't end up spinning out bigtime.

    Just remember one thing about rally cars. They are great for acceleration and have considerable top speeds, but on road courses, you'll need to tune for higher top speeds, meaning you have one of two options- (1) adjust the Final Gear, or (2) adjust the Auto Setting to the right. So I guess you can say that the Lancia Stratos rally car is good on the road, and off the road. What more could you want?
     
  23. den brakke

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    I did everything with a Lancia Delta S4. I't rules.
     
  24. eSPy

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    the escudo would be great.....if there were no penalties for hittin the wall and your oppnent. i found it good for some races without alot of turns, but other than that, i used my non-rally evo VII RS and later on, my toyota rally raid car. both worked well but i still havent finished the snow tracks on the hardest difficulty. :tdown:
     
  25. wkeil

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    I use the impreza rally car prototype. Its 4 door with around 473 hp. I won almost all the normal and I have half of the hards left! with that car
     
  26. kancerman

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    Found Myself using all the Lancia's minus the stratos to win !! *whew* all them are awesome ... oh, and btw I didn't mess with the VCD settings ... just the traction control ... white-knuckled the rally's, I did :nervous:
     
  27. torque998

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    No mention of the Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car yet. Is it that bad for these races?
     
  28. Screwtape

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    I won the rally races except for Grand Canyon ((hard), haven't raced it yet) with a fully tuned Toyota RSC; the first true rally car you receive and the one you keep winning to sell for quick money. I made no changes to ride height or gear ratios. I guess in a way I cheat, but I feel in a way, PD does too. I will run the car full throttle and get the back end around fast for the corners. You can hit the rear end of the car as hard as much as you like without receiving a dreaded :05 penalty. Moreover, you can `ride the walls' in the snow/ice tracks without fear of a penalty. I feel it's cheating a bit but quite honestly I gave up on trying to play properly. If it were a time trial without fear of the AI car hitting you and you receiving the penalty, I would work harder at winning without cheating. I'm a big fan of rally and am disappointed at PD's interpretation of the sport. Having said that, I love GT4 in *every other aspect* and would never completely pooh-pooh the developers for their rally incarnation.

    Bottom line:
    First won Toyota RSC and fully mod it.
    Drive fast, crash the rear end often.
    Repeat

    Screwtape
     
  29. gumpy

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    I cleared all of the tarmac rallies except the Rally D'Umbria on hard. I then cycled through my cars to find one I was happy with. I tried:

    Lancer Super Rally Car - more suited to dirt/snow
    Impreza Touring Car - too fast
    Most other rally cars - struggled with setup.

    CZ-3 Tarmac Rally car - perfect. Slightly slow but very manageable. I like driving fairly hard and this car had a good mix of reasonable speed when being driven hard and good handling ie I could get it around more corners flat out without hitting anything.

    Didn't try it on dirt.
     
  30. kane2_be

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    can anyone give me the settings for the Peugeot 205 Turbo Rally Car to do the Ice races in the special conditions