Bowtie's Speed Shop : Ultimate Corvette Collection!

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crash27wwjd
Reventon my finally set -up
Height 75/80
spring rate 8.00/15.00
dampers comp 7/8
dampers ext 8/7
ARB 6/7
Toe angle -0.20/0.20
Brake balance 5/7
Initial 8/10
acceleration 20/20
braking 10/25
torque split 35/65
ballast weight 47kg -40
Racing softs
I also spread my transmission gears out.
I think this car is very stable and handles pretty well.
Did that setup work for you? I tried, did not realize how difficult that car was. Harder than the Gallardo to tame, but I will try a few more things and post final with a trans. Might be a bit though as my time has been limited as of late.

Good luck:tup:
 
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... I tried, did not realize how difficult that car was. Harder than the Gallardo to tame, but I will try a few more things and post final with a trans. Might be a bit though as my time has been limited as of late.

Good luck:tup:

I hope your building a Reventon tune with a realistic tire, @Bowtie-muscle. If so, I will definitely give it a thorough testing for you. I just happened to be driving my Reventon today in an online lobby around La Sierra. I alternated between CS & SH tires. The Reventon has such a weird gearbox. I would like to know why they gave it such long gears?

I've googled the car's settings to see if PD mucked up the Reventon's transmission settings. They have not. Those are the correct gear ratios, although, I am unsure if the Final Gear is correct. @Ridox2JZGTE has proven to me that the Lamborghini Aventador, while it also has the correct gear ratios in GT6, technically has an error in its transmission settings because of the Transfer Gear omission. He could explain it much better than I ever could. Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the Reventon needs a different Final Gear (stock) to make up for that oversight as well.

Another thing about driving the Reventon...It's difficult trying to get used to the digital tachometer. It is so bizarre! :lol:
 
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Thanks for your help Bowtie you and my friend Ghostrider.Have really help me out in tuning certain cars.I'm currently tuning the Gallardo LP 560-4 '08.Its a lot easier to tune this car.Then the Reventon was a pain.Thank you for your help.I'm still learning a lot about tuning cars on GT6.
 
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Think its pretty good, where I was heading with it. Thought it was a big improvement, and running a 2:08 at Ascari in only 2 laps was good for me. I can get it down more for sure.
2:08 in only 2 laps :eek: ?! That is 2 whole seconds faster than the fastest person in my friends list, so that puts you easily in the top 500 right? And it isn't even your tune?? Out of curiosity what car did you use at Ascari for your top time and what is the time?
 
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2:08 was at 550ok on SS TIRES. For the time trial, I used a few but only for silver and quit.
2:08 in only 2 laps :eek: ?! That is 2 whole seconds faster than the fastest person in my friends list, so that puts you easily in the top 500 right? And it isn't even your tune?? Out of curiosity what car did you use at Ascari for your top time and what is the time?
 
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It definatly is a tough one. I haven't got the gold yet. I've tried many of my own tunes, built tunes specifically for that track, and other peoples tunes. There are so many good 600pp Italian tunes out there, I just haven't found the right one to suit my style yet. Oh, well. Tomorrow is another day :) Maybe I'll venture the dark corners of your garage. I'll let you know what I find
 
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Ascari 550pp Lap Time Leaderboard
I ran a 4 lap only time trial of all 550pp tunes on Sports:Soft tires. If final lap went red or fell .500 behind, final lap was aborted. I also ran those that I expected to be slow early, and they ran lower lap times, 1 was retested after and dropped almost 2 secs after some changes. FT1 was one of the early cars tested since only brake balance was adjustable, it too could likely drop it's time.

2:05.042 - X-Bow Street '12
2:05.627 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "Track Pack"
2:05.753 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 (2018)
2:05.923 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 "Track Pack"

2:06.006 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 "Blue Diamond"
2:06.185 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 "Trooper"
2:06.218 - Camaro SS '10 (NA)
2:06.350 - Corvette ZR1 (C6) '09
2:06.412 - Camaro SS '10 (SC)
2:06.590 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 Flat Floor
2:06.619 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (2014)
2:06.684 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 (2015)
2:06.698 - GT-R specV '09
2:06.747 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 "Street"
2:06.753 - Corvette Stingray(C7) '14 "Rigid"
2:06.921 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "Blue Diamond"
2:06.965 - Corvette Stingray(C7) '14 "SS Stingray 550"
2:06.985 - Corvette Stingray (C7) {Diet Tune}
2:06.989 - MP4-12C '10
2:06.989 - Reventon '08

2:07.042 - Impreza WRX STi Spec C '09
2:07.125 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "Z51 553pp"
2:07.304 - Series One Super Charged '03
2:07.352 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (2015)
2:07.402 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "Z51 550"
2:07.433 - Corvette C7 Test Prototype
2:07.457 - Corvette Stingray (C7) 15th Anniversary Edition '14
2:07.466 - Corvette Stingray (C7)
2:07.499 - Corvette Z06 (C6) '06 S-tune
2:07.538 - NSX Type R (Flat Floor) '02
2:07.546 - S7 '02
2:07.608 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 Flat Floor
2:07.630 - California '08
2:07.687 - Reventon '08 (with camber)
2:07.690 - Corvette Stingray GT Concept '13
2:07.739 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 Flat Floor
2:07.832 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (2015 Alt.)
2:07.838 - 458 Italia '09
2:07.868 - GT40 Mark 1 15th Anniversary Edition '66
2:07.902 - R8 4.2 FSI R Tronic '07
2:07.974 - Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nur(R34) '02

2:08.002 - F430 '06
2:08.005 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "S-tune 550"
2:08.059 - 548pp - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "BSS Stingray"
2:08.099 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00
2:08.154 - Evora '09
2:08.224 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (2018)
2:08.259 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "Z-Tune 550"
2:08.298 - 430 Scuderia '07
2:08.608 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 R-tune
2:08.686 - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 (2014)
2:08.917 - M4 M Performance Edition
2:08.921 - Viper SRT10 '03
2:08.957 - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "Z-Tune 552pp"
2:08.959 - Viper SRT10 '06

2:09.016 - RX500 '70
2:09.071 - LFA '10
2:09.109 - Gallardo LP 560-4 '08
2:09.118 - 545pp - Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 "S-Tune"
2:09.143 - 8C Competizione '08
2:09.149 - Miura P400 BERTONE Prototype CN.0706 '67
2:09.159 - Viper GTS '02
2:09.256 - 400r '96
2:09.307 - FT1*
2:09.358 - NSX Concept '13
2:09.388 - Camaro RS (Pozzi)
2:09.420 - DB9 Coupe '06
2:09.584 - Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07
2:09.763 - Countach 25th Aniversary '88
2:09.854 - 536pp - Corvette Z06 (C5) '04 "Street"
2:09.897 - Corvette GRAND SPORT (C4) '96
2:09.910 - 538pp - Corvette Z06 (C5) '00 "Street"

2:10.331 - Mustang Boss 302 '13
2:10.499 - Challenger SRT8 '08
2:10.592 - CTS-V '11
2:10.719 - M3 Coupe Chrome Line
2:10.732 - Gran Turismo S '08
2:10.986 - Mustang SVT Cobra R '00

2:11.212 - Viper GTS '99
2:11.268 - Camaro SS '00 (NA)
2:11.418 - Shelby GT500 '13*
2:11.495 - Camaro Z28 Coupe '97
2:11.531 - Camaro SS '00 (SC)
2:11.579 - Corvette '60 (Art Morrison)
2:11.813 - Nismo GT-R LM Road Going Version '95
2:11.854 - Firebird Trans Am '78
2:11.974 - Cobra 427 S/C Chrome Line

2:12.041 - Supra RZ '97
2:12.156 - C12 '03*
2:12.266 - Corvette ZR1 (C4) '90

2:13.193 - GTO 5.7 Coupe '04*

2:14.025 - Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88

2:15.734 - Buick Special*

* - Denotes those tunes that were among the first 6 tested.
 
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Mustang GT '05

Paint: Sonic Blue Clearcoat Metallic
Rims: ENKEI 5spoke inch +1

PP: 525
HP: 455
WEIGHT: 1300kg
WEIGHT DIST: 61.39
TIRE(S): Sports Soft

GT Auto:
Oil Change - No
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - No
Wing - No
Flat Floor -
Other - Calipers Painted Tangerine Scream

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - 120 / 120
SPRINGS - 9.25 / 5.50
COMP - 4 / 4
EXT - 6 / 3
ARB - 3 / 4
CAMBER - 0.0 / 0.0
TOE - -0.04 / 0.02
BRAKES - 5 / 6

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO
- 5.000
TOP SPEED TO - 112
1ST - 3.775
2ND - 2.450
3RD - 1.850
4TH - 1.470
5TH - 1.225
6TH - 1.045
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.200
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 11
ACCEL - 15
DECEL - 5

CLUTCH TYPE: Triple-Plate
CARBON SHAFT: Installed
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: n/a

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Stage 2
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Racing
MANIFOLD - Isometric
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Sports
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO - Standard
POWER LIMITER - 99.1%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Stage 3
CARBON HOOD - Body Color
WINDOW WEIGHT - Installed

BALLAST - 45kg @ +30
DOWNFORCE - n/a

NOTE: Better in my opinion than the '07 Premium Mustang Model.
 
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Mustang SVT Cobra R '00


Paint: Black Clearcoat
Rims: ENKEI RP03 inch +1 (Silver Chrome)

PP: 550
HP: 560
WEIGHT: 1330kg
WEIGHT DIST: 55:45
TIRE(S): Sports Soft

GT Auto:
Oil Change - No
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - No
Wing - No
Flat Floor - No
Other - Black Calipers

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - 115 / 115
SPRINGS - 9.25 / 7.00
COMP - 4 / 5
EXT - 7 / 3
ARB - 4 / 3
CAMBER - 0.0 / 0.0
TOE - 0.04 / 0.00
BRAKES - 6 / 7

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO
- 5.000
TOP SPEED TO - 124
1ST - 3.200
2ND - 2.175
3RD - 1.650
4TH - 1.325
5TH - 1.105
6TH - 0.950
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.300
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 10
ACCEL - 12
DECEL - 7

CLUTCH TYPE: Triple-Plate
CARBON SHAFT: Installed
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: n/a

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Stage 3
COMPUTER - Sports
EXHAUST - Semi-Racing
MANIFOLD - Isometric
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Sports
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO - Standard
POWER LIMITER - 98.5%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Stage 3
CARBON HOOD - Body Color
WINDOW WEIGHT - Installed

BALLAST - 27kg @ +30
DOWNFORCE - n/a

NOTE:
 
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Ford vs Chevy

Featuring:

Mustang vs Camaro


A competition featuring the Ford Mustang vs Chevy Camaro. Matchups were predetermined according to model year and results from previous lap tests. I will provide my thoughts before testing began, and each part will have post results as well.

Part 1 will be older/classic cars paired up and tested at Deep Forest Raceway (reverse) and Silverstone National. 4 laps at Deep Forest and 5 at Silverstone.

Part 2 will be more modern cars paired up and tested at Apricot Hill and Silverstone International. 5 laps at each track.

All testing done in Arcade mode, grip set to real and ABS 1 only.

Three things need to be kept in mind when reading the results.
1. My tuning - some tunes may need improving and some may be better with someone else's tune. Some tunes were built for this battle but were not tested at the tracks involved, whereas other tunes were given adjustments prior to beginning.

2. My driving - my style means I may be slower in some cars and faster in others.

3. PD Modeling - The Mustang GT 05 and 07 both are more nose heavy than they should be, the IROC lacks rear grip and power. The 69 Z28 and 2010 Camaro may have more grip than reality.

The Matchups: Part 1

GT350 '65 vs Camaro SS '69 {both at 500pp}
These should be really close and I expect each to take one track, or 1 will win both by a small margin

Camaro Z28 '69 vs GT250R {525pp}
Camaro should win easily, but the GT350R should keep it kind of close.

Mach 1 vs Camaro RS (Pozzi) {525pp}
I expect another split, or maybe the Mach 1 dominating.

IROC Z Concept vs Mustang GT 07 {both at 500pp}
These should be the slowest times, but the IROC should be slightly faster.

Mustang GT 05 vs Camaro SS '00 {525pp}
Mustang might be a wild card here, not sure how it will do but better than the '07. I redid the tune on the SS so not quite sure how this will turn out.

Camaro Z28 '97 vs SVT Cobra {525pp}
Cobra should make this close, Z28 was faster at Willow on SS, Cobra faster at Laguna on SM. Think the Z28 is faster than the 2000 SS which is why it is paired with the best of these three modern Mustangs.

Part 2:

GT500 vs Camaro SS '00 {550pp}
Another redo on the Camaro, but the GT500 should be too much even though it's 1500kg. They tested real close at Ascari, but both were retested.

Camaro RS(Pozzi) vs SVT Cobra {550pp}
This came up after part 1, so I built a 550pp Cobra and felt this should be the closest of all.

Boss 302 vs Camaro SS '10 {550pp}
PD may have given the Camaro too much love for the Mustang, reality would really benefit the Mustang at Silverstone I would think.

Camaro SS '10 (Flat Floor) vs Boss 302 (Flat Floor) {575pp}
More of the same, but maybe the Flat Floor will help the Boss.
 
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Ford vs Chevy

Part 1

Round 1: GT350 '65 vs Camaro SS '69
GT350: 500pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:21.728
Silverstone National - 59.771

Camaro SS: 500pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:21.077
Silverstone National - 1:00.138

Track choice would depend on which car is better, over all they are both close.

Round 2: Camaro Z28 '69 vs GT350R '65
Camaro Z28: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:19.363
Silverstone National - 58.095

GT350R: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:20.394
Silverstone National - 58.775

Not even close, but that might be my tune for the GT350R.

Round 3: Mach 1 vs Camaro RS (Pozzi)
Mach 1: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:19.894
Silverstone National - 59.081

Camaro RS: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:18.441
Silverstone National - 58.060

Expected it to be closer but I think my Mach 1 has some front end issues. A better tune would make it closer.

Round 4: Camaro IROC-Z Concept vs Mustang GT '07

Camaro IROC: 500pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:21.895
Silverstone National - 1:00.502

Mustang GT 07: 500pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:22.800
Silverstone National - 1:00.743

Close at Silverstone, but neither is all that impressive. Having driven these cars in the real world, both should have been better.

Round 5: Mustang GT '05 vs Camaro SS '00
Mustang GT: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:21.156
Silverstone National - 59.023

Camaro SS '00: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:20.194
Silverstone National - 59.186

Camaro slightly better, although they split.

Round 6: Camaro Z28 vs SVT Cobra R
Camaro Z28: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:20.213
Silverstone National - 59.755

SVT Cobra R: 525pp
Deep Forest rev - 1:19.472
Silverstone National - 58.312

The Cobra is a beast, just awesome. the Camaro was not as good as expected at these 2 tracks.

Overall times at Deep Forest Raceway reverse:
1:18.441 - Camaro RS (Pozzi)
1:19.363 - Camaro Z28 '69
1:19.472 - Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
1:19.894 - Mustang Mach 1
1:20.194 - Camaro SS '00
1:20.213 - Camaro Z28 '97
1:20.394 - GT350R '65
1:21.077 - Camaro SS '69 (500pp)
1:21.156 - Mustang GT '05
1:21.728 - GT350 '65 (500pp)
1:21.895 - Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88 (500pp)
1:22.800 - Mustang GT '07 (500pp)

Overall lap times at Silverstone National:
58.060 - Camaro RS (Pozzi)
58.095 - Camaro Z28 '69
58.312 - Mustang SVT Cobra R '00
58.775 - GT350R '65
59.023 - Mustang GT '05
59.081 - Mustang Mach 1
59.186 - Camaro SS '00
59.775 - Camaro Z28 '97
59.771 - GT350 '65 (500pp)
1:00.138 - Camaro SS '69 (500pp)
1:00.502 - Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88 (500pp)
1:00.743 - Mustang GT '07 (500pp)
 
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Ford vs Chevy

Part 2

Round 7: GT500 vs Camaro SS '00
GT500: 550pp
Apricot Hill - 1:25.651
Silverstone International - 1:07.656

Camaro SS '00: 550pp
Apricot Hill - 1:26.094
Silverstone International - 1:07.713

Very close at Silverstone, but the GT500 better at Apricot Hill and likely overall.

Round 8: Camaro RS (Pozzi) vs Mustang SVT Cobra R
Camaro RS: 550pp
Apricot Hill - 1:24.488
Silverstone International - 1:06.856

SVT Cobra: 550pp
Apricot Hill - 1:24.722
Silverstone International - 1:06.791

Extremely close, these were 2 of the best at 525pp, so I expected this to be really close. And they split.

Round 9: Mustang Boss 302 '13 vs Camaro SS '10
Boss 302: 550pp
Apricot Hill - 1:24.514
Silverstone International - 1:06.488

Camaro SS '10: 550pp
Apricot Hill - 1:23.314
Silverstone International - 1:06.154

Camaro should have likely been even better at Silverstone, but atleast the Boss 302 kept pace there. Apricot Hill was not even close.

Round 10: Camaro SS '10 (Flat Floor) vs Mustang Boss 302 (Flat Floor)
Camaro SS (FF): 575pp
Apricot Hill - 1:21.846
Silverstone International - 1:04.935

Boss 320 (FF): 575pp
Apricot Hill - 1:23.860
Silverstone International - 1:06.016

Flat Floor really made the Camaro unbeatable, however, it did not improve the Boss 302 as much. Handling was slightly better but not enough to compete. And since the power was just under that of the 550pp tunes, the Boss needed the Flat Floor to keep up with the 550pp Camaro SS

Round 11: Aborted

I tried to build a 575pp Boss 302 but was not satisfied with it enough to proceed. I do have a 575pp GT500, but it is not as good as the Boss generally so I did not go up against my 575pp Camaro.

Also thought about using my two 600pp Camaro's (one with Flat Floor), and looked at doing the Trans Cammer vs the Red Devil (mine is blue, so it's a Blue Angel) but they do not match up well without too much power limiting of the Camaro. So I left it at 10 rounds.

Final thoughts:

This was actually more fun than I thought and more competitive. Chevy may have come out on top but the Ford's can hold there own. Especially the Cobra and the Boss 302, really really like those two cars, even as a Chevy guy.

Overall lap times: Apricot Hill
1:21.846 - Camaro SS '10 (Flat Floor) 575pp
1:23.314 - Camaro SS '10 550pp
1:23.860 - Mustang Boss 302 '13 (Flat Floor) 575pp
1:24.488 - Camaro RS (Pozzi) 550pp
1:24.514 - Mustang Boss 302 '13 550pp
1:24.722 - Mustang SVT Cobra R '00 550pp
1:25.651 - GT500 '13 550pp
1:26.094 - Camaro SS '00 550pp

Overall lap times: Silverstone International
1:04.935 - Camaro SS '10 (Flat Floor) 575pp
1:06.016 - Mustang Boss 302 '13 (Flat Floor) 575pp
1:06.154 - Camaro SS '10 550pp
1:06.488 - Mustang Boss 302 '13 550pp
1:06.791 - Mustang SVT Cobra R '00 550pp
1:06.856 - Camaro RS (Pozzi) 550pp
1:07.656 - GT500 '13 550pp
1:07.713 - Camaro SS '00 550pp
 
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Seems like a lot of people shun the flat floor but your results are proof that it can absolutely be beneficial. I use it on a 500 PP '07 Miata and it's a wonderful thing. Good stuff. 👍
I'm my opinion, an 550pp tune can get an improvement with flat floors but take a pp hit. The '10 Camaro SS was much better at 575pp with it than the 550pp tune. Several Vettes I've done at 600pp are better than without so it can be beneficial on the right car at the right track. Helps cornering stability.
 
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Reventon '08

Paint: Arancia Metallic Orange
Rims: KMC KM681 inch +1

PP: 550
HP: 538
WEIGHT: 1385kg
WEIGHT DIST: 45:55
TIRE(S): Sports: Soft

GT Auto:
Oil Change - No
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - No
Wing - Custom Mount F, Wing C, Winglet C, Height -6, Width +10
Flat Floor - No
Other - Calipers Painted Black

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - 75 / 80
SPRINGS - 8.25 / 15.25
COMP - 6 / 8
EXT - 8 / 7
ARB - 5 / 6
CAMBER - 0.0 / 0.0
TOE - -0.20 / 0.20
BRAKES - 5 / 7

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO
- 5.000
TOP SPEED TO - 149
1ST - 3.500
2ND - 2.350
3RD - 1.700
4TH - 1.315
5TH - 1.065
6TH - 0.895
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.500
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 8 / 10
ACCEL - 20 / 22
DECEL - 10 /25

CLUTCH TYPE: Triple-Plate
CARBON SHAFT: Installed
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: Installed @ 35:65

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Standard
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Standard
MANIFOLD - Standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Standard
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO - n/a
POWER LIMITER - 83.0%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Stage 3
CARBON HOOD - Standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - Installed

BALLAST - 47kg @ -40
DOWNFORCE - 0 / 15

NOTE:
 
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Reventon '08

*Version II*

Paint: Cherry Black Pearl Effect
Rims: KMC KM681 inch +1

PP: 550
HP: 538
WEIGHT: 1385kg
WEIGHT DIST: 45:55
TIRE(S): Sports: Soft

GT Auto:
Oil Change - No
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - No
Wing - Custom Mount F, Wing C, Winglet C, Height -6, Width +10
Flat Floor - No
Other - Calipers Painted Black

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - 75 / 80
SPRINGS - 8.25 / 15.25
COMP - 6 / 7
EXT - 7 / 6
ARB - 5 / 6
CAMBER - 1.2 / 2.0
TOE - -0.14 / 0.20
BRAKES - 5 / 7

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO
- 5.000
TOP SPEED TO - 149
1ST - 3.500
2ND - 2.350
3RD - 1.700
4TH - 1.315
5TH - 1.065
6TH - 0.895
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.500
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 8 / 10
ACCEL - 20 / 22
DECEL - 10 /25

CLUTCH TYPE: Triple-Plate
CARBON SHAFT: Installed
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: Installed @ 35:65

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Standard
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Standard
MANIFOLD - Standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Standard
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO - n/a
POWER LIMITER - 83.0%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Stage 3
CARBON HOOD - Standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - Installed

BALLAST - 47kg @ -40
DOWNFORCE - 0 / 15

NOTE:
 
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crash27wwjd
"The Reventon Experiment"
So I recently was asked asked for help with tuning 4wd Lambos, and I gave some starter settings for suspension. But felt that LSD and Torque centering Diff were important to get set first. So with some help from @dws3124 , we came up with a pretty good setup for the Reventon but not totally complete. The starter setting were something like:

RIDE HEIGHT - 75 / 75
SPRINGS - 8.00 / 15.00
COMP - 5 / 5
EXT - 5 / 5
ARB - 4 / 4
CAMBER - 0.0 / 0.0
TOE - -0.10 / 0.10
BRAKES - 5 / 5

And then we worked from there, having never touched this car yet, it was hard to get a feel for what it needed until I tried it for myself. Not an easy car to tune but not super difficult either. But camber never came up. So when we were finished and he was satisfied with it (did the trans himself), I went back to the tune and the starter settings. Added camber, since I liked where ballast, LSD and Center Diff were, and tried to finish it off. I then went back and finished off the original tune and compared the two. The only real difference is the suspension, all else is the same. Even the rims which I would have preferred to change with the paint but for the purpose of comparison left alone.

I took both cars to four tracks, Midfield, Ascari, Monza and Apricot Hill. I did tune "A" at Midfield (6 laps) and Ascari (4 laps), then ran tune "B" under the same conditions. The following day, I did tune "B" at Monza and Apricot Hill, then repeated with tune "A". Giving each the opportunity to go first and doing the same number of laps.One tune was slightly faster at all four tracks; .306 at Midfield, .305 at Apricot Hill, .275 at Monza and .685 art Ascari. Will not say which was faster, but the other should have been faster at Midfield and Monza but I messed up trying to hard. Each went up against it's own ghost so no advantage was given to either.

So what I am asking/looking for is for others to try both out on any two (or more) tracks under the same guidelines (amount of laps can be higher of course) and to give there opinion. Tell me which is better, which is faster at a given track. I will reveal which was faster for me later. So if you have time and want to participate, your feedback would be appreciated.

A big thank you to @dws3124 for giving me the motivation to try this and for getting me to tune it faster than I had planned. Did have in my garage for awhile but just never got to it. Hope you enjoy!
 
5,161
United States
Massachusetts
I just did 8 laps with each car around Nurburgring GP/D. My fastest lap with Version 1: 1:30.602 and my fastest lap with Version 2: 1:31.420, however I did my first set up laps with Version 2. Still, it's hard to deny an almost 1 second improvement with Version 1. Having said all of that, I actually prefer Version 2. I was much more consistent with the Version 2 car. I was absolutely shocked at how easy it was to drive. Without a doubt, this is the best Reventon tune I have come across.

I loaded the laps into Data Logger and could clearly see that on the straights I would get 1 or 2 MPH higher in Version 1 and I could carry 1 or 2 MPH more through braking areas. That's PD's brilliant camber at work. Again, even though I'm technically slower in Version 2 according to my Best Lap Time, if I were to enter into a race with this car I would take Version 2 10 times out of 10 because of how much easier it was to be consistent with the car.

I will run this on additional tracks when I have a little more free time, but I wanted to collect a little bit of data for you right away so you could have feedback. Very good job with the tunes! :cheers:
 
246
United States
East Central Illinois
xx-wydopen-xx
Well, I spent my playtime this evening with your Reventon matchup.

I use a DS3 driving off both sticks and R1 as the e-brake. Controller sensitivity set to -1. I used arcade mode time trial on Madrid full course. ABS set to 1 and no other aids. Vehicle was tuned as instructed 100% but I have different wheels (still +2) and a slightly different wing shape but nearly the same specs. The difference would be negligeable.

I had bought this as a show car and it was literally untuned. Raw suspension, wheels, wing and brakes were the only mods. It had I think 8 miles on it. I put version 1 into the A slot and Version 2 into the B slot and went out to play.

I ran #2 first and it was manageable but not very consistent for me. My times were all over the place and it would be fine as a time attack, but I wouldn't want to race it. If I went too deep it was all over and I found myself tapping the e brake while coasting the corners to help it rotate. It was a little greasy, but not quite greasy enough. Great straight line traction with little wheelspin that I noticed. It really didnt like the last big horseshoe corner before the final chicane. It would understeer with even the slightest throttle and that is too big of a corner to coast. You loose way too much speed there. I did manage to get a 1:26.867 for a low lap time, but I would say my average lap (out of about 12) was in the 1:27.5 range. Tighten up the front end of this one and it would be better.

I then switched up to number 1 now that I felt comfortable knowing my limits and braking zones and proceeded to run another 10 laps. This car feels much different considering the minimal changes made. I guess you could say it feels more raw and unpolished. It had slightly crisper turn in and slightly better rotation under braking and mid corner. My times were a little more consistent with a range of 2 seconds instead of 3+, but the rear end was too loose and I was loosing valuable time sideways and smoking the tires too often. It still didn't like the last horshoe corner, but if I entered at just the right speed, I could hold a light drift through half of it and that gave me a better line out. Tighten up the back end of this one, and it would be better. That said, I did run a slightly faster lap with this car at 1:26.435. My average lap was probably slower though at 1:27.8.

Then I made some changes and managed to run a 1:26.189



Then Bowtie Muscle decided to tell us of a revision in ride height.

This made a big difference in the way the car handled and it was more of what I expected to see from him. I decided to revisit this track and all of the issues I was having before went away except for the long constant radius corner. Much of an improvement with just that one setting.
If you can solve the power on understeer issue, you will have a glorious car. As it is, it's already not too shabby.
 
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3,998
United States
New Jersey
crash27wwjd
I'm currently tuning the Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '13.I got it to race stable.Just working on it to corner more.I have at 600pp right now.
I would be interested in seeing what you come up with, have not touched that car yet either. So many in my garage and on my to do list.
I just did 8 laps with each car around Nurburgring GP/D. My fastest lap with Version 1: 1:30.602 and my fastest lap with Version 2: 1:31.420, however I did my first set up laps with Version 2. Still, it's hard to deny an almost 1 second improvement with Version 1. Having said all of that, I actually prefer Version 2. I was much more consistent with the Version 2 car. I was absolutely shocked at how easy it was to drive. Without a doubt, this is the best Reventon tune I have come across.

I loaded the laps into Data Logger and could clearly see that on the straights I would get 1 or 2 MPH higher in Version 1 and I could carry 1 or 2 MPH more through braking areas. That's PD's brilliant camber at work. Again, even though I'm technically slower in Version 2 according to my Best Lap Time, if I were to enter into a race with this car I would take Version 2 10 times out of 10 because of how much easier it was to be consistent with the car.

I will run this on additional tracks when I have a little more free time, but I wanted to collect a little bit of data for you right away so you could have feedback. Very good job with the tunes! :cheers:
Thanks for your time and feedback, really appreciate the effort. Braking zone seemed longer for me as well with camber, but Thsts a result of PD programming I guess. May have typed the wrong rear ride height, meant to check last night but never got the chance. Will double check later.
Well, I spent my playtime this evening with your Reventon matchup.

I use a DS3 driving off both sticks and R1 as the e-brake. Controller sensitivity set to -1. I used arcade mode time trial on Madrid full course. ABS set to 1 and no other aids. Vehicle was tuned as instructed 100% but I have different wheels (still +2) and a slightly different wing shape but nearly the same specs. The difference would be negligeable.

I had bought this as a show car and it was literally untuned. Raw suspension, wheels, wing and brakes were the only mods. It had I think 8 miles on it. I put version 1 into the A slot and Version 2 into the B slot and went out to play.

I ran #2 first and it was manageable but not very consistent for me. My times were all over the place and it would be fine as a time attack, but I wouldn't want to race it. If I went too deep it was all over and I found myself tapping the e brake while coasting the corners to help it rotate. It was a little greasy, but not quite greasy enough. Great straight line traction with little wheelspin that I noticed. It really didnt like the last big horseshoe corner before the final chicane. It would understeer with even the slightest throttle and that is too big of a corner to coast. You loose way too much speed there. I did manage to get a 1:26.867 for a low lap time, but I would say my average lap (out of about 12) was in the 1:27.5 range. Tighten up the front end of this one and it would be better.

I then switched up to number 1 now that I felt comfortable knowing my limits and braking zones and proceeded to run another 10 laps. This car feels much different considering the minimal changes made. I guess you could say it feels more raw and unpolished. It had slightly crisper turn in and slightly better rotation under braking and mid corner. My times were a little more consistent with a range of 2 seconds instead of 3+, but the rear end was too loose and I was loosing valuable time sideways and smoking the tires too often. It still didn't like the last horshoe corner, but if I entered at just the right speed, I could hold a light drift through half of it and that gave me a better line out. Tighten up the back end of this one, and it would be better. That said, I did run a slightly faster lap with this car at 1:26.435. My average lap was probably slower though at 1:27.8.

I decided to take the initiative to see if I could make #2 more to my liking and I did do better, but not much. my final changes after about 20 or so laps of tweaking :

Rear height to 81
Front ARB to 4
Rear brakes to 6

LSD

17 / 10
9 / 22
10 / 21

Torque split to 34/66


With those changes I managed to run a 1:26.189

The best part though, was the fact that the car seemed more manageable and now very consistent. I could race it all day at a 1:27.1 pace and only float a 1/10th or so either side. That low 1:26 was pushing very hard, but now I feel I could easily race it and drive it in traffic. If you can solve the power on understeer issue, you will have a glorious car. As it is, it's already not too shabby.
Thank you for trying them both and for attempting to change to your liking. After reading your post, I got the feeling that maybe my rear ride height was wrong. When typing the tunes, I thought 85 rear was wrong although it was what I wrote down. I believe it should be 80, but I never got a chance to check, will later. Madrid seems like a track that would bring out the most understeer, especially where you had trouble getting it to rotate. If you've not yet tried this car stock, then please do. It is a bear from the dealer. Also, if you find some time, take one to another track and see if they are better. If not, that's ok, thanks for the feedback. That's really what I was hoping for.

Hope you both enjoyed your time in them.
 
6,973
England
Exeter
morans1980
I went to make a start on your experiment but I ran out of time for today to do all four tracks with one of the tunes. I completed one and started the second track already but my driving isn't so great today so I will do Ascari and the other tracks another time. :)
 
319
United Kingdom
Leicester
biffa3
Some Reventon stock information for you.

Stock with Sports Soft Tyres, in usual FITT conditions. DS3(pad,not sticks), auto transmission.

Midfield - 1:14:005
Enjoyed it around here!

Ascari - 2:14:345
Not good around here. Understeering/oversteering mess!

Monza - 1:52:439
Decent around here too.

Apricot Hill - 1:25:158
Not good around here either. Full drift around the long left hander in the middle of the track made it fun though!

Will hopefully get to run the tunes later in the week.