Cockpit Shaky Camera

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I think people might be underestimating just how lowered ride height, stiff suspension and high speed translate into a certain lack of ride comfort in the cockpit. Keep watching the full video, it gets even more intense in places than it is at the start. I'm not a biologist but I'm pretty sure that you would need to evolve some kind of eye gyroscope to smooth out that amount of motion.
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Yea, don't look at the road, look at the driver's head and you'll see how "smooth" of a view they have in real life.
 
Why are people intent on ruining this game?

Don't whine about the good things they have implemented!! The cockpit shake was one of the first things i noticed when i first got the game. I was immediately impressed, as it wasn't something i expected PD to do! But massive kudos to them for doing it so well.
 
Bigbazz
Shaking is annoying, its unrealistic and makes some tracks/cars just plain annoying at times.
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In your opinion.

Did you even watch the video above? Maybe you'd like to wait for a dozen other videos from cockpit cam, before you realise it's realistic and well implemented. Or maybe you won't ever realise, and PD will take this amazing feature out to shut people like you up.
 
lol anyone complaining about the cockpit view doesnt know about driving a car with good suspension at high speeds.
 
further proof that you can't make everyone happy.

the best they can do is offer an option to turn it off.
how long until people want to specifically place the camera somewhere on the car with a particular FOV and vibration settings.
 
Tagger
It seems more realistic. But, when I run a NASCAR race now, I use roof cam or else I'll get a headache. If that's how it really is, hats off to the real life drivers.
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Daytona and Indy really are that rough.
 
chrisorris24
Who else is completely annoyed by the insane shakiness of the cockpit camera, that used to be my favorite view but now I use roofcam, wish they would fix that.
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Fix it yourself...

Soften the suspension & springs:tup:
 
I like it, it does add to the realism. You better believe it's realistic (not perfect) but stiff racing suspensions are just that "stiff" and vibrations + road imperfections/details are transmitted to the driver. It's not as easy as cruising the highway in you're moms Civic econo box to race cars. Not to mention the G's felt under hard accelerating/braking/cornering.

Thankfully it's not overdone like NFS Shift (talk about a broken game) however it can still use some refinements.
 
irononreverse
For those of you saying the shake is unrealistic, I found this Youtube video of a helmet mounted camera. It's a bit lower than you'd want for viewing the track, but it definitely shows you how much shake there is in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJPbTYGkLM
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As you said in your post it is a HELMET MOUNTED camera. The human eyes have a built-in "gyroscope"? suspension? to avoid/reduce the shaking. The camera shake in GT5 is overdone. I have not tried v1.07- did PD tone down the shakingtosomething more realistic?
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Never had a problem with it. But I find that some cars (usually race cars) seems slower in cockpit view compared to slower cars, probably due to less shakiness.
 
Patrocles
As you said in your post it is a HELMET MOUNTED camera. The human eyes have a built-in "gyroscope"? suspension? to avoid/reduce the shaking. The camera shake in GT5 is overdone. I have not tried v1.07- did PD tone down the shakingtosomething more realistic?
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That´s correct in any sense. Eyes have a natural stabiliser which absorb head movements.

Your monitor is an exterior picture seen by your eyes and when it´s shaking as a whole, your eyes can not compensate this shaking/ flicker of the screen..... which is in sum unrealistic. This feature is realistic as it works in nature, but only if you watch it as an external person and not as being the driver itself.
 
glydersid
Never had a problem with it. But I find that some cars (usually race cars) seems slower in cockpit view compared to slower cars, probably due to less shakiness.
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It may be something to do with field of view. If you assign buttons to look left & right and look sideways, you get more sense of speed.

Anyway I like the shaky camera, I wish they'd put it on other views apart from the chase cam.
 
Bounkazz
Actually, only the car and shakes... A REAL driver is pretty much static along with the enviroment.
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Yes you are correct, I remembered that after I wrote my comment :lol:
So I take it back, bumper and roof cam shouldn't shake :).
 
Human eyes and brain can filter that head movement out. Plus when you sit in a real car you can also feel those bumps through your body which also helps your brain to deal with even better. When the screen shakes in gt5 it is nothing more than distortion and noise in the signal imho. For me it's unbearable. I've been playing racing games and sim over 10 years and have done track days and motocross and that camera shake does not exist in real life. All it does in gt5 is that it makes the cockpit view plain useless. I'm not saying take the shaking off. All I'm asking is to give those who want the option to turn it off.

I can understand the feel and immersion aspect of the shaking but as far as realism goes the camera shake in gt5 is just physically wrong. It kind of looks kewl and ohmygod when you see it (omg my seat is loose, i have no seatbelts and my neck is rubber!) but all it is is some random camera shaking that dilutes the only information you are supposed the get from the screen about the car. What is the car doing, where is it going and where is it? Not how much the head shakes when you go over a bump.

If your argument for the realism of the camera shake in gt5 is that the real driver's helmet is not stationary and moves around I suggest you take a video camera and tape it in your head or your cycling helmet and go ride for a while. Then come back and see how absolutely shaky the video is. Surprise, for some reason what you saw yourself when riding the bike was not that shaky at all and you could perfectly feel the bike and see where you are and where you are going. When you look at the video you're lucky to know where you went cycling.
 
Mafz
Yes you are correct, I remembered that after I wrote my comment :lol:
So I take it back, bumper and roof cam shouldn't shake :).
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Well, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking in general.

When I drive my "race" car around the track, I try to keep my head as steady as possible. Works really really well, but I think that's pretty hard in a F1/full race car. :D
 
Bounkazz
Well, I wasn't talking to you. I was talking in general.

When I drive my "race" car around the track, I try to keep my head as steady as possible. Works really really well, but I think that's pretty hard in a F1/full race car. :D
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Oh :D I thought you said that after I said that bumper/roof cam should have shake.

hyyperactive yeah it's quite wierd, our eyes are usually fixed on what were looking at so our view never really shakes. I dunno how they can simulate that other than some sort of motorised rig, which would be expensive.
 
Couldn't have said better than hyyperactive. The shake is unrealistic, utterly useless and it ruins the cockpit view completely for me.

We need a toggle.
 
Mafz
Oh :D I thought you said that after I said that bumper/roof cam should have shake.

hyyperactive yeah it's quite wierd, our eyes are usually fixed on what were looking at so our view never really shakes. I dunno how they can simulate that other than some sort of motorised rig, which would be expensive.
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Hehe, nah. Just make the whole screen go left and right slightly instead of shacking heavily. It sucks. Especially in a hard suspension'd car. :scared:
 
Just another thing they couldn't get right.

At high speeds, the shaking is ridiculous. So much so, that I can't see, and 60 fps can't make the image any clearer, especially on top of the screen tearing.

Fail.
 
The shake depends a lot on front end chatter caused by going too hard into a turn or unfavorable suspension tuning. Watch a few in car cams focused on the driver on YouTube, like GT ONE Toyota. It gets pretty crazy at times.
 
The last time I tracked some BMW ///M cars (and I mean I drove them into the ground) I don't remember my head bobbing about that badly, but I never went above 105mph. I'd say it's fairly realistic, but sometimes I get a headache from it if I'm in that view for too long lol. Maybe I just need a better TV...
 
Everyone who says 'Yeah, but look at this video of said driver's head bouncing about in the cockpit' is missing the point that has been made so many times in this thread.

I'll just restate it. The cockpit view in GT5 is supposed to be through the drivers eyes, not through a camera mounted directly to the rollcage/structure of the car. The eyes/brain have a natural mechanism for controlling shake and shock precisely for these situations. Hence, the shake should be no more than a small deviation in camera lock as the car hits larger bumps. Having a shake that infects every part of the screen and increases exponentially with speed is counter intuitive and can cause nausea and confusion as the brain attempts to counter act vibration that is not really there. It is also unrealistic. I'm not saying it should have an (almost) static view like Forza, but the extent it has been implemented in this build of GT5 is almost ludicrous.

I've been over 150mph on my bike (modified unfaired SV1000), and even with the wind trying to take your head off your shoulders the shake isn't bad at all.
 
Its okay on most occasions but its really difficult when your driving a car with a small windsheild or a windsheild decal. you have like 2 inches of view and on top of that, its a shakey one
 
My point is that driving too hard and lack of tune will cause your eyeballs to bounce in your skull. Running over curbs will make your eyes go crazy and cause you to wish you had a mouthpiece and a weight belt on. Drive to preserve and win and yes your body will save you in a real life scenario and see straight. Look at a driver video to strictly realize how much force is applied to the body and how driving too hard or tuned incorrectly will cause havoc on your body.
 
"I actually get nauseous from the cockpit view and can't use it at all... "

PD please stop farting around with bandaid fixes like 1mil cr trade limits and do something that will actually improve enjoyment of the game for a substantial number of players - make the camera shake adjustable from current setting down to zero.
 

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