"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Shinu]

The one thing is, saying that the guy in front braked too early and it’s his fault a car behind hit him?
I personally think racing is not hotlapping. It is your job as a racer not to hit the guy in front of you.
It’s like certain corners...There’s a racing line and optimum line for qual.
Often the race line is more point to point so that lunging is prevented.
Jmo

Think about it this way:
If you brake on the corder exit (or lift of) there is no yay for me to expect that.
If it is a little off the mark then -yes but other then that it becomes like brake checking.

 

[J Rutherford]

The one thing is, saying that the guy in front braked too early and it’s his fault a car behind hit him?
I personally think racing is not hotlapping. It is your job as a racer not to hit the guy in front of you.
It’s like certain corners...There’s a racing line and optimum line for qual.
Often the race line is more point to point so that lunging is prevented.
Jmo

Not insinuating blame to others. We all work to try and get round the first corner however there is so many factors play against us. The first corner is always busy with loads going on around you so gauging brake markers can be difficult which will naturally cause someone to brake up early. It happens in real racing all the time too. First corners at the end of straights in general are notorious for accidents.

 

[GT5Power]

I got on to download the update and I figured I'd give N24 qualy another go (with CSA on this time ). I saw that the Ford GT had topped the leaderboard by .006s over the Huracán, so I tried it. My first and only lap, because that's all I had time for, was 8:15. It looks promising and the car feels like it can be thrown around corners easily. It's responsive and forgiving. How does it fare in terms of fuel and tires? I know it doesn't really mind being short shifted. I want to try it in the race.

 

[Rexracer702]

Thats awesome. I remember Spa (yes, Spa) on F1 on the Atari computer we had when I was a kid. I'll guess '93? The one hairpin was "F" word turn. My dad played too, and approved of our naming of the turn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_(video_game)?wprov=sfla1

It had signposts you crash into if you went to wide. Hence the "F"

Wow, I feel old! I remember how exited all my friends were when I was a kid because we had Pong. There were three (yes three!) paddle sizes! My profile picture was taken in '93. I was way past being a kid...well, I guess mentally...

As for Nurburgring GP...you're supposed to brake at the first corner? I don't get it. How are you supposed to get the proper bank angle off of the pack if you touch the brakes?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Ok. I'm venting.

The Nurburgring (24hr) appeared in this game with GT5. That's 2010. Now, let's forget for a moment that the Nurb showed up in GT in 2005. Let's forget that it was in Tourist Trophy. Let's focus on 2010.

it's 2019.

How in the (I'm censoring myself) is it possible, that in NINE YEARS since the introduction, or even in the 18 months since GTS was released, people STILL cannot clue in to STOP for the first corner? Does it come as a shock EVERY TIME? And how does that work exactly? "Hmmmm....I wonder what's at the end of this pit straight. There should be a corner around here somewhere. I vaguely recall...OH THERE IT IS!"

SCREEECH!!! BOOOM!! CRASH!! SCREEECH!!!

it's the start of a 17+ minute race and this is the FIRST thing that you need to do after the start, because you are already on the throttle before the race starts. ONE job. Don't crash at the FIRST CORNER. Never mind that there are constant reminders to NOT CRASH AT THE FIRST CORNER.

Also "I hate this track" is the sentiment that should indicate to yourself to not participate in this event. I'd go so far as to say that if your qualifying time is more than 8:25, consider trying again. Consider a little practice so that you know where the corners might be. At 8:30+...just don't. Try again. I actually respect the folks with no time a little more because they know that they will gain positions through the mistakes of the others.

Yes, yes, I know, it's a big track with a lot of corners, but it's also an iconic track that should be somewhat known to anyone who likes racing, in the same way that people who love the NFL know who Joe Namath is, or how soccer fans know Diego Maradona. This is a track for the faithful. Only the faith need apply. Or, just learn the FIRST CORNER!

But seriously...NINE YEARS...NINE.....YEARS. ....9......


So, for those who haven't qualified at the front of the pack, just wait. Hang back. Benefit from the failure of others. If there was ever a track that did not have a "golden lap" this is the one. If someone is ahead of you, they are better than you. If someone is 10 seconds faster in qualifying, dive bombing them is not the tactic to take. This is a race craft track. Pace yourself. Conserve your fuel.

Oh, and if you are pitting for tires and fuel, you are doing it wrong. This is a NO STOP race. Going for broke and a 1 stop strategy is just annoying. I understood this happening on Monday. We didn't know. I made that same mistake, but, it's now Thursday. If you aren't on the front row, 1 stop isn't going to benefit you.

Oh, and stop for the first corner.

I feel better now....somewhat

It's a difficult track to overtake on so I will always go for an overtake at the first corner, I don't even worry about missing the braking point and running wide because you can just park it on the apex of turn 2. Whatever you gain there is pretty easy to defend until you get onto the straight 7 minutes later.

 

[Dairyworker]

3 A races last night and 4 or 5 this morning. I continue to have good luck with clean competition, a questionable move here and there that i may not have been happy with but nothing i would call dirty really. It probably helps to have the pole in all but one of those races.

Moved on to try and improve my relationship with the dragon in reverse. I got my time down to a 49.004 but just could not crack a 48... and although my time imroved by about 1.5 my relationship with the track suffered. I hate that f'er in reverse....

 

[Voodoovaj]

Wow, what is this?

If you can’t qualify faster than 8:30 you shouldn’t play? You shouldn’t race how you want, and instead stick to no stop only?

Yes. Precisely

It's a difficult track to overtake on so I will always go for an overtake at the first corner, I don't even worry about missing the braking point and running wide because you can just park it on the apex of turn 2. Whatever you gain there is pretty easy to defend until you get onto the straight 7 minutes later.

So, destroy the race for all those around you in the process?

Btw, there are plenty of places to pass if you set it up correctly. I took 1st place at the second chicane of the infield. Then, after losing it, I took the lead again at the finish line at the end of the first lap.

Spotted @Sven Jurgens today. That's him in the 4th place Corvette.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The one thing is, saying that the guy in front braked too early and it’s his fault a car behind hit him?
I personally think racing is not hotlapping. It is your job as a racer not to hit the guy in front of you.
It’s like certain corners...There’s a racing line and optimum line for qual.
Often the race line is more point to point so that lunging is prevented.
Jmo

There is a certain expectation that you know the brake points before entering a race. Most accidents happen when there is a line of cars snaking through corners and the car up front brakes too early or messes up. The car behind might anticipate, yet the further back the bigger the ripple effect and chance that there's a bump which ripples back to the front.

There's plenty of room at T1 though. With radar there is no excuse to hit people there. The problem is, there's usually someone thinking he can out brake 5 cars and steal the corner. Last race had one such McLaren, used me and a few other cars to get through T1 and I ended up with a 5 sec penalty while he gained 5 places and left 3 cars off track. He ran another car off the road right after so I put him in the sand at Dunlop. I didn't get a penalty for that, go figure. He quit when he ran out of 'fun'

I had an awesome pass in the race after. I knew he was an early braker as he caught me off guard a couple times already (no hit, just time lost). So I went for it before the middle straight.

 

[Rexracer702]

Yes. Precisely



So, destroy the race for all those around you in the process?

Btw, there are plenty of places to pass if you set it up correctly. I took 1st place at the second chicane of the infield. Then, after losing it, I took the lead again at the finish line at the end of the first lap.

Spotted @Sven Jurgens today. That's him in the 4th place Corvette.

Alfa in the lead? Is that an option for non-aliens? Strategy? (fuel savings)

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

I kinda feel like I almost stand a chance in race B because you guys don't like it

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Damn racing on the N24 is fun right now, one more before it's time to get my kids. Sure I got bumped off again, a little SR loss as well, yet so much close tight racing makes those annoyances quickly fade away. Matchmaking is to blame for this much fun as I've been racing through traffic with other non qualifiers.

Last race the driver who I was having a 2 lap battle with accidentally bumped me off at the hairpin when I had to brake early for the car ahead. He patiently waited for me to get back on the road pointed the right way (reset why won't you come when you need it) and we assumed out race. At the end we were stuck behind a slower car. I passed him first on the straight then checked which side my 'opponent' was passing and moved over to give him the draft so he could complete his pass for a nail biting close last section.

5 non qualifiers next race, one A/S starting behind me in a Ford. I wonder if he's good

He was not, good race regardless. Finished 3rd, got my lap time down to 8:25 (8:24.983) without drafting. I couldn't quite catch up to the last 3 in lap 2, however one of them ran out of fuel before the line.

 

[beegentoo]

Just had a Race C. Again being harrassed by the following types of drivers:

• Drivers not knowing the track
• Drivers using the D-Pad to steer
• Drivers not having common sense and driving the Winston Cup in GT3-cars

I started 10th and finished 10th with a no stopper. I would‘ve probably finished higher if there would be a secure way to pass these guys.

Does anybody know if there‘s a way to use your own songs for the Game Music? I normally have turned it off during races, but for the Ring I am more and more in the mood of this:

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

I kinda feel like I almost stand a chance in race B because you guys don't like it

Nevermind. 14th. Clean race though.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Alfa in the lead? Is that an option for non-aliens? Strategy? (fuel savings)

The Alfa and the RCZ are both great on fuel and handle well. The RCZ is a little worse on tires than the Alfa. I use Fuel map 1 for most of the race and short shift for the majority of the track. I have switched to Map 2 for the twisty bits, but it's the short shifting that carries the bulk of the fuel savings.

Remember, power counts for nothing on the majority of the track. I shift as soon as the rev counter lights up. Both of those cars can carry a lot of speed in the corners. For the long straights, go flat out. It might take a few tries to get it right. Basically, you should be crossing the end of the first lap with 1 lap of fuel left if you've done the short shifting correctly. If you come to the last straight on lap 2 with at least 4% fuel, you should be good to go flat out to the finish line.

I'm far from an alien.

 

[Dairyworker]

@beegentoo I know it's not the answer you probably want, but i have a Bluetooth speaker and run music off my phone or home computer to listen to music while gaming. I ave always had a music player of somekind in the room i game in.

 

[Voodoovaj]

@beegentoo I know it's not the answer you probably want, but i have a Bluetooth speaker and run music off my phone or home computer to listen to music while gaming. I ave always had a music player of somekind in the room i game in.

Does anybody know if there‘s a way to use your own songs for the Game Music? I normally have turned it off during races, but for the Ring I am more and more in the mood of this:

Why not just stream Spotify on the PS4? It's already built in and made to play over the games.

The best is that with Spotify connect, you can control the music from your phone so once it's running, you never have to leave the game to change the music.




On the topic of braking. On the street, it's the responsibility of the person behind to avoid the person in front. Yes, you kind of expect the others to have an idea where the brake points are, but still, you need to be the one who is responsible. If they are braking in the wrong place for one corner, they'll likely do it in another, so use that opportunity to pass.

 

[Dairyworker]

I have used the spotify a couple times. It does seem to work fairly well. I will not pay for it though, and as a life long music lover i have like 800+ albums on my computer and i like having the game and music volumes seperate. I am also an old guy who refuses to get with the times. I bought three cd's on the weekend and some vinyl last month....

 

[CrimsonKing]

Ok. I'm venting.

The Nurburgring (24hr) appeared in this game with GT5. That's 2010. Now, let's forget for a moment that the Nurb showed up in GT in 2005. Let's forget that it was in Tourist Trophy. Let's focus on 2010.

it's 2019.

How in the (I'm censoring myself) is it possible, that in NINE YEARS since the introduction, or even in the 18 months since GTS was released, people STILL cannot clue in to STOP for the first corner? Does it come as a shock EVERY TIME? And how does that work exactly? "Hmmmm....I wonder what's at the end of this pit straight. There should be a corner around here somewhere. I vaguely recall...OH THERE IT IS!"

SCREEECH!!! BOOOM!! CRASH!! SCREEECH!!!

it's the start of a 17+ minute race and this is the FIRST thing that you need to do after the start, because you are already on the throttle before the race starts. ONE job. Don't crash at the FIRST CORNER. Never mind that there are constant reminders to NOT CRASH AT THE FIRST CORNER.

Also "I hate this track" is the sentiment that should indicate to yourself to not participate in this event. I'd go so far as to say that if your qualifying time is more than 8:25, consider trying again. Consider a little practice so that you know where the corners might be. At 8:30+...just don't. Try again. I actually respect the folks with no time a little more because they know that they will gain positions through the mistakes of the others.

Yes, yes, I know, it's a big track with a lot of corners, but it's also an iconic track that should be somewhat known to anyone who likes racing, in the same way that people who love the NFL know who Joe Namath is, or how soccer fans know Diego Maradona. This is a track for the faithful. Only the faith need apply. Or, just learn the FIRST CORNER!

But seriously...NINE YEARS...NINE.....YEARS. ....9......


So, for those who haven't qualified at the front of the pack, just wait. Hang back. Benefit from the failure of others. If there was ever a track that did not have a "golden lap" this is the one. If someone is ahead of you, they are better than you. If someone is 10 seconds faster in qualifying, dive bombing them is not the tactic to take. This is a race craft track. Pace yourself. Conserve your fuel.

Oh, and if you are pitting for tires and fuel, you are doing it wrong. This is a NO STOP race. Going for broke and a 1 stop strategy is just annoying. I understood this happening on Monday. We didn't know. I made that same mistake, but, it's now Thursday. If you aren't on the front row, 1 stop isn't going to benefit you.

Oh, and stop for the first corner.

I feel better now....somewhat

Are you sure there's a turn after the pit straight? Seems subjective

 

[Voodoovaj]

Are you sure there's a turn after the pit straight? Seems subjective

Apparently!

Look, I rarely get hit there by the culprit. I stay to the right and let most stuff happen on the left, but I still get collateral damage.



For those doubting the 4C/RCZ validity, here's another win pic from today. If I hadn't have hit a cone and lost time, it would have been a sub 17 minute run. Map 1 all the way. 8% fuel left at the end. Like I said, short shift the twisty bits.

Actually, this is a good note, the pole sitter went for a one stop strategy. He finished second by 2 seconds (this pic is from the end of lap 1), but at the same time, I put the hammer down and stopped conserving the moment he got to within 3 seconds of me, which was just before the last straight. He made up most of that time in his Lexus on the straight. So, as you see, even with a fast car and no conservation, a no stop strategy is still more advantageous (IMHO).

I have used the spotify a couple times. It does seem to work fairly well. I will not pay for it though, and as a life long music lover i have like 800+ albums on my computer and i like having the game and music volumes seperate. I am also an old guy who refuses to get with the times. I bought three cd's on the weekend and some vinyl last month....

I stopped buying physical media. I got sick of storing it/losing it/breaking it/the extra gear needed for it.

Now I have both a Spotify account (for the bulk of my listening) and a Tidal account for when I want to sit and listen in actual Hi Fi on my Hi Fi. You can't beat having access to almost everything recorded at your finger tips. Not to mention, I spend less now than I used to.

 

[O604]

It's pretty frickin hard to keep up on Race A. Tried twice this morning. Great races. But lost position in both.

I feel like I'm way better than on Monday. Shaving approx. a tenth off everyday. Trouble is, so is everyone else. Same as last week with the Eunos. And the Fiat before that. Sportsmanship in Race A has been fantastic lately. But it's tough to compete. Total respect to all those I've raced with.

 

[Rexracer702]

The Alfa and the RCZ are both great on fuel and handle well. The RCZ is a little worse on tires than the Alfa. I use Fuel map 1 for most of the race and short shift for the majority of the track. I have switched to Map 2 for the twisty bits, but it's the short shifting that carries the bulk of the fuel savings.

Remember, power counts for nothing on the majority of the track. I shift as soon as the rev counter lights up. Both of those cars can carry a lot of speed in the corners. For the long straights, go flat out. It might take a few tries to get it right. Basically, you should be crossing the end of the first lap with 1 lap of fuel left if you've done the short shifting correctly. If you come to the last straight on lap 2 with at least 4% fuel, you should be good to go flat out to the finish line.

I'm am far from an alien.

I may have to try it. I love the GR4 Alfa. Hard to imagine short shifting, but I have almost no time in the GR3 car, so... Thanks for the info!

 

[Pigems]

Why not just stream Spotify on the PS4? It's already built in and made to play over the games.

The best is that with Spotify connect, you can control the music from your phone so once it's running, you never have to leave the game to change the music.

This 100%, Spotify is the way to go for music on the PS4, being able to change song/playlist from your phone is definitely sweet.

I have used the spotify a couple times. It does seem to work fairly well. I will not pay for it though, and as a life long music lover i have like 800+ albums on my computer and i like having the game and music volumes seperate. I am also an old guy who refuses to get with the times. I bought three cd's on the weekend and some vinyl last month....

You can control the music volume with your phone when using Spotify, or pause it for races.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I tried the 4C at Nurb using Ms (with thanks to @Voodoovaj. I never would had considered it.) It's a great little runner and I still had over a lap of fuel by the end of L1 with short shifting so I could go flat out at the straights. Handles really well down the hills and twisty areas.

I still managed to meet the gravel several times (didn't practice much in her) but I so far like it and will probably be my "main" for the rest of the week.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I tried the 4C at Nurb using Ms (with thanks to @Voodoovaj. I never would had considered it.) It's a great little runner and I still had over a lap of fuel by the end of L1 with short shifting so I could go flat out at the straights. Handles really well down the hills and twisty areas.

I still managed to meet the gravel several times (didn't practice much in her) but I so far like it and will probably be my "main" for the rest of the week.

I use -1 BB for both the Alfa and the RCZ. You can even go to -2 if you find getting on the gas difficult, but it will wear the fronts more by the end of the race.

I have a bunch of liveries for those looking

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

So, destroy the race for all those around you in the process?

Btw, there are plenty of places to pass if you set it up correctly. I took 1st place at the second chicane of the infield. Then, after losing it, I took the lead again at the finish line at the end of the first lap.

As I said earlier, I haven't had much if any contact this week, there is no problem with aggressive driving as long as you aren't reckless, there is enough room to be brave on the GP loop but once you get onto the Nordschleife it's follow the leader all the way to Dottinger Hohe.

 

[beegentoo]

As I said earlier, I haven't had much if any contact this week, there is no problem with aggressive driving as long as you aren't reckless, there is enough room to be brave on the GP loop but once you get onto the Nordschleife it's follow the leader all the way to Dottinger Hohe.

Fine. Now tell that the punks behind me who are willing to pass in every corner at any cost.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Back in the vette on the n24. I don't know why I ever abandoned her as it was always my favorite for the nurb in GT5. (I do know why, Vette is too thirsty in AT) I just 'stole' the fastest lap from Bloombe by a few tenths who started on pole in a Vette (and won) I climbed to 5th during the race, fast one, nice and clean!

 

[GoFREDGo]

Back in the vette on the n24. I don't know why I ever abandoned her as it was always my favorite for the nurb in GT5. (I do know why, Vette is too thirsty in AT) I just 'stole' the fastest lap from Bloombe by a few tenths who started on pole in a Vette (and won) I climbed to 5th during the race, fast one, nice and clean!

Nice!

 

[Melbourne Park]

Ok. I'm venting.

The Nurburgring (24hr) appeared in this game with GT5. That's 2010. Now, let's forget for a moment that the Nurb showed up in GT in 2005. Let's forget that it was in Tourist Trophy. Let's focus on 2010.

it's 2019.

...

Also "I hate this track" is the sentiment that should indicate to yourself to not participate in this event. I'd go so far as to say that if your qualifying time is more than 8:25, consider trying again. Consider a little practice so that you know where the corners might be. At 8:30+...just don't. Try again. I actually respect the folks with no time a little more because they know that they will gain positions through the mistakes of the others.
...

Right now:
8:25 in North America is place 505;
8:30 is #805.

So for America your suggestion would not work, there would be too few players. Same for Asia.

For Europe, maybe ... 8:25 is #2,340 there; But the way, Asia is about the same cut off for 8:25 as America.

I thought Kudos used to list the number of competitors, but I cannot find the numbers at the moment.

 

[MIE1992]

Sounds good, @Sven Jurgens. I also did some math with KudosPrime's stats. It's not the best math, and makes quite a few assumptions, but I'd like your feedback - especially if it's a valid conclusion.

1. We assume that every account is a different player, and that duplicate accounts on the same system are nonexistent.

2. According to the Daily Active Players in Sport Mode, and going from September 2018 to the present, the metric seems to have a very rough guesstimated average of 30k players, maybe a bit less. I believe this stat is for any & all players worldwide. Let's make a generous assumption and use the value of 40k players, as this is the rounded-up value from the recorded player-count from February 2nd, 2019, which had 39.6k players. Here, we will also assume that this value is evenly-spread across all nations and regions.

3. My region is North/South America, with only the US (my nation) and Canada being in FIA races. Let's take a look at the Players by Country page. For the percentage of players, the US has 14.0%, Brazil has 2.6%, Canada has 2.0%, Argentina has 1.3%, and any nation with under 0.5% is not listed. I am also seeing a 0.9% for "mx" - could this be Mexico? At any rate, let's have a "best-case scenario" and pretend that all those other Central/South American nations add up to exactly 0.5%, such as Chile, Paraguay, Colombia, and so on. Under the assumptions made thus far, this means my entire region is 21.3% of the player population, and up to 16.0% is observed in championship races.

4. So if we do some shoddy math...
0.213*40000 = 8520
0.160*40000 = 6400
...this means that in a given daily race, I am one within a population of 8520 players within my region, and one of 6400 for championship races.

Wow. That is small. And that's after all the assumptions and rounding-up, too, so the actual number in practice is likely even smaller.