"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[El_Beardo]

Here's my two cents.

1 - Switch to the Aston. It may not be the outright fastest car, but IMHO it's the easiest car to go fast in. Set the Brake balance to +1
2 - TCS off, but I get it if you prefer it on.

(I will use the corner names so you may need a map with names).

3 - At the Dunlop chicane, you'll gain a lot of time by almost getting a penalty. try to keep two tires on the track, but also try to touch the curbing with those outside tires. It's super easy to get a penalty, but if you don't, you'll gain a boatload of time.
4 - At the Playstation chicane, slow down a little more so you can clip the curbing of the middle part of the chicane. It will allow for a better exit.
5 - At the Michelin chicane, you blew the entry, which blows the middle, which compromises the exit. You have to touch those curbs.
6 - I think you can go through the Porsche curves faster. Your speed should be such that you drift out to the wall (but don't touch it).

If you do that, you should be able to get the Aston into the high 3:57's based on what I see in your video.

It's not that I prefer TCS. I'm just a little too heavy footed. Better than I was, though.

I'll go grab a map, and try the Aston when the girlfriend goes home.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

I'm also gonna use @Voodoovaj 's advice. Already in the AMV. It's a beaut. I still reckon I can go sub 4.05 which would be more than enough for me!

The sun was shining here today though so I felt inclined to finish laying the patio. If its miserable weather then I can normally get away with claiming a bit of game time on my day off. Not sure the Mrs would of bought the excuses today though! It was a scorcher. No racing today.

On the plus side, we now have an alfresco dining area.

 

[Redsea666]

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I'm also gonna use @Voodoovaj 's advice. Already in the AMV. It's a beaut. I still reckon I can go sub 4.05 which would be more than enough for me!

The sun was shining here today though so I felt inclined to finish laying the patio. If its miserable weather then I can normally get away with claiming a bit of game time on my day off. Not sure the Mrs would of bought the excuses today though! It was a scorcher. No racing today.

On the plus side, we now have an alfresco dining area.

Still on the fence between that and the Corvette. I'm finding the Ford feeling really heavy.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Hey @Pigems ..

Surprised that everyone isn’t using the two-up-one-down shifting trick at the start. It makes for rocket getaways and now I’m having to manage finding myself amongst a surprised top three when I enter turn one. Good for 1-3 spot pickup at the start amongst the unsuspecting...

That trick is what how please inform?

I was initially slow on the get aways in the Porsche at Brands and it cost me lots of points. So far I've lost 3,500 DR but my SR is 99 now, which makes me feel better than the DR. I double I'll get many back because I was only getting 100 or so for a win. In one race I passed an A+ who eventually came alongside me up the main straight, and he beautifully pushed me off and I found the sand, I did not get reset, and I lost a heap of points. Last nigh though I had some wine in me and I lost a few thousand points. Its amazing how bad I am with a tiny bit of alcohol in me.

I did a 58.851 a couple of days ago, quite easily as with throttle sensitive cars I usually do better, I got it pre-race. But everyone is catching up now. I turned the cones off though and I find it difficult to estimate when to brake for the critical final corner. Pigems how do you work out when to brake there. Hence I tend to play it safe there in a race and if the car slows down then you loose a lot of speed. Braking points is a skill I need to work on ...

 

[Brzlav]

And just to be clear, I wasn't attempting to overtake here, I was was just driving my line. I felt he braked early and then drove into my line and I tried to avoid him.

Honestly, I think you were braking too late. You need to adjust your braking point to the fact that you are driving in dirty air and loose downforce at the front.
After you tapped him once (imho your fault), common courtesy dictates you don't look for a way around him but you stay behind trying not to touch him a second time.
He can't drive into your line as he is in front of you. It's therefore his line.

 

[Winnie847]

Thanks man, Great Lap to you as well!

I think I went as far as +3 but that was it, I’ll give that a shot. Thanks very much for the info, I’m gonna have another go at it after dinner tonight. You gonna be doing any racing tonight?

I'm not sure. I was originally going to run the FIA MFG race tonight but after several practice laps last night I don't think I'm going to. Me and Tokyo tracks don't always get along well in actual races and I have a difficult time making the M6 competitive on power tracks. I might use that time to run some daily races instead, but we'll see if time allows. I'm in the middle of what will be a 70hr work week, which doesn't normally happen, but I have to finish creating an 8-hr class that I'll be presenting to new employees at my job beginning next week...for 8 hours I'll probably need around 200 slides and I'm currently on slide 70! I'd probably race dang near every day if I could.

Yeah the +5 brake balance is really extreme, but it doesn't have quite the same effect on this car as it does Gr.3 or Gr.4. Normally +5 would be too much for me and I'd slide through every corner losing time, but +5 on the SF feels more like +2 on other cars.

 

[Redsea666]

Honestly, I think you were braking too late. You need to adjust your braking point to the fact that you are driving in dirty air and loose downforce at the front.
After you tapped him once (imho your fault), common courtesy dictates you don't look for a way around him but you stay behind trying not to touch him a second time.
He can't drive into your line as he is in front of you. It's therefore his line.

Okay- good to know. After looking closer I saw he was attempting to pass P1 and failed, and that's why he corrected. You're right about that- I was coming in too hot like I was qualifying. Thanks, you guys. This is exactly the feedback I'm looking for.

 

[Pigems]

That trick is what how please inform?

I was initially slow on the get aways in the Porsche at Brands and it cost me lots of points. So far I've lost 3,500 DR but my SR is 99 now, which makes me feel better than the DR. I double I'll get many back because I was only getting 100 or so for a win. In one race I passed an A+ who eventually came alongside me up the main straight, and he beautifully pushed me off and I found the sand, I did not get reset, and I lost a heap of points. Last nigh though I had some wine in me and I lost a few thousand points. Its amazing how bad I am with a tiny bit of alcohol in me.

I did a 58.851 a couple of days ago, quite easily as with throttle sensitive cars I usually do better, I got it pre-race. But everyone is catching up now. I turned the cones off though and I find it difficult to estimate when to brake for the critical final corner. Pigems how do you work out when to brake there. Hence I tend to play it safe there in a race and if the car slows down then you loose a lot of speed. Braking points is a skill I need to work on ...

The trick is to upshift twice and then downshift once because it’s quicker in some cases then just simply upshifting once. It’s the new shifter trick I guess.

 

[breeminator]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I've just spotted that Super Formula at Autopolis actually relates to a real life Super Formula race May 18/19:
https://www.gtplanet.net/super-formula-live-stream-2019/

 

[Winnie847]

The trick is to upshift twice and then downshift once because it’s quicker in some cases then just simply upshifting once. It’s the new shifter trick I guess.

Whoa! I did not know this. Are we talking strictly about the SF19? Or does it work in Gr.3/Gr.4 cars as well from standing starts?

 

[Melbourne Park]

The trick is to upshift twice and then downshift once because it’s quicker in some cases then just simply upshifting once. It’s the new shifter trick I guess.

WOW!!!

Makes me want to race again ... the time gap from first to 2nd gear at the start is ridiculous. I presume its a 5 speed but do you use it coming out of druids hairpin going from 2nd to 3rd via 3rd-4th-3rd???

I also need to read what PD say about the car. I drove several type C 356s and they had 1600 SC engines, which were the most powerful 356 motors put into the road cars I had thought. But those things did not rev, but they had a feel of heaps of torque. There was a 4 cam non pushrod race motor but I doubt those ended up in Speedsters ... maybe the car PD is using is imaginary ... maybe its a special that Porsche made? I could check my Porsche books ... but anyway, the way it revs to 7k feels quite ridiculous to me, and the lack of low down torque also feels ridiculous in comparison to the power the motor has up the top. I guess they did get the slow gear change right though but it was not overly slow going from 1st to second, just a long throw. I think Porsche went with the 5 speed in the 911 and for some time that had first gear offset.

i wonder how the car would feel with a Datsun 2000 - their roadster of the period (like a Datsun 1600) but their 2 litre four cylinder motor was something else back then.

They way I turn into the final corner is by sort of imagining the curve to the apex on the right; it has to be taken tight but from as wide an angle as possible. And if I brake too late I won't get to the apex without slowing the car and if it sort of dies (not sure why it does that - is it wheel slip- my only conclusion) then it's a big loss in time. If I brake too early then I approach the apex from to narrow an angle and I sort of run over it and then you are aiming for the sand and you have to slow down.

Another tip with the 356 is that it understeers a fare bit so you can push it into corners if you have to and you won't loose the tail. Back off has to be gentle (except at the hairpin) because the swing axles do swing the tail out.

 

[Pigems]

Whoa! I did not know this. Are we talking strictly about the SF19? Or does it work in Gr.3/Gr.4 cars as well from standing starts?

I wouldn’t say it works in cars with a sequential gearbox, it’s mainly road cars with an H pattern gear box as far as I know, basically it’s used in the same cases that the old clutch/shifter tricks worked. In some cars/gears the upshifts are so slow that it’s quicker to go 2U/1D then just 1U. I heard about it just after the shifters got nerfed but when I tried it I couldn't get it to work properly so I gave up on it. I didn’t know it was still being used until this week.

I didn’t use it at all in my Porsche lap.

 

[Melbourne Park]

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I didn’t use it at all in my Porsche lap.

I reckon its being used in my races at the start. Some people coming from 4th to 7th are hitting 1st or second place at the first corner. Why not if you a "C" hitting an "A"? First race I got swamped from being on pole. Some fast drivers from 3rd have passed me coming with higher speed into the first corner ... better to blame a trick than me being slow! But I do think some having been using it at the start.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

This thread moves so fast, I'm busy for a day and there are 75 new posts and 36 alerts lol. Now to head back on the track or make another livery first. It's dirty hour right now, 7 to 8pm is usually the worst. I guess I'll prepare another car first. I've cleared 14 of them so far with clean race bonus, not quite sure how many GR.3 cars there are currently but I'll get there! Still 4 days left.

 

[MaxAttack]

I wouldn’t say it works in cars with a sequential gearbox, it’s mainly road cars with an H pattern gear box as far as I know, basically it’s used in the same cases that the old clutch/shifter tricks worked. In some cars/gears the upshifts are so slow that it’s quicker to go 2U/1D then just 1U. I heard about it just after the shifters got nerfed but when I tried it I couldn't get it to work properly so I gave up on it. I didn’t know it was still being used until this week.

I didn’t use it at all in my Porsche lap.

i've only used it off the line and alongside other guys on the straight. Im not sure there's much time to be had out of it in quali with a full lap's momentum behind you.

 

[sturk0167]

This thread moves so fast, I'm busy for a day and there are 75 new posts and 36 alerts lol. Now to head back on the track or make another livery first. It's dirty hour right now, 7 to 8pm is usually the worst. I guess I'll prepare another car first. I've cleared 14 of them so far with clean race bonus, not quite sure how many GR.3 cars there are currently but I'll get there! Still 4 days left.

35 Gr.3 cars. You'll need to average 7 per day for the week. Although there's 2 M6s, and 2 Lexus' that I think are the same. So, 33 would probably be good enough.

 

[Melbourne Park]

i've only used it off the line and alongside other guys on the straight. Im not sure there's much time to be had out of it in quali with a full lap's momentum behind you.

But a big benefit on a first qualifying lap, which starts in 2nd gear. If it works grabbing third. I was not going back to Brands but with this trick I am going to give it another go. But I'd need some class fields to get back all the DR I lost last night, and all my own fault, which I guess is a good thing.

Oh and just a note on the 356 Porsche's gorgeous interiors - Porsche had the 356 steel bodies built by Reuters. Who also did the interiors. The cars were known not for power (of course) but for being able to sustain high speeds. They were not noisy but also the noise was pleasant maybe because it was low frequency sound. The seats were really beautiful. The door side panelling was also terrific. Porsche bought Reuters in order to make the bodies themselves. But Reuters kept the seat making side of their business, and they changed the Reuters name of what was left to Recaro.

The 356 got Porsche going mostly (besides the racing) due to their extremely high quality in an era where quality was unusual. IMO but for Recaro Porsche may never have made it.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

35 Gr.3 cars. You'll need to average 7 per day for the week. Although there's 2 M6s, and 2 Lexus' that I think are the same. So, 33 would probably be good enough.

Thanks, I came to the same count just now. I was missing the F-Type before, both GR.3 and GR.4 versions were gone. I'm behind schedule, need some rain! Saturday looks like a good race day, rain rain more rain. The time sink is the liveries thanks to @Invisigoth. I still have 10 cars to paint.

 

[adokeeffe]

Had a great run in Race C this morning, rocking the JPS Livery this time. The usual b***ardry from other racers, but I was further up the field this time so didn't impact me too much. Only one driver cutting me off multiple times and then blaming me for hitting them, they eventually placed 3rd ahead of me in 4th, and apparently I hit an achievement for fastest laps in the process so happy with that 👍

 

[Pigems]

I finally tried a race A, it was pretty fun up until this happened. Some people just can’t stand to lose. I’ll see him again.


I still wound up with 2nd but he only got a 2 second penalty for that, and he was DR B to my DR D.

 

[Melbourne Park]

...I still have 10 cars to paint.

How long does that take you? Is there a way to use the paint job from one of my cars which I did, and to be able to put it onto another car? I know about how to duplicate a decal / shape as a layer. And also how to duplicate the decal to the other side of the vehicle ( a big time saver). I wish I could transfer a paint job though rather than start from scratch.

Oh and on race "A". These cars should be having cross ply tyres. Cross ply tyres drift heaps. Having a reasonable car with cross plies was awesome fun. I recall when switching to radials, my ex car rally car - bought instead of the 356 - which used to slide beautifully in a sort of chicane near a railway crossing not far from where I lived, with the new cross ply tyres, it would grip and grip, then just let go, at much higher speeds though, but it was horrible and the car sort of lurched as it let go. No fun at all. It's a shame PD don't have an algorithm for cross ply tyre for the Porsche. That would be much more fun and also more real.

I also looked at Datsun "Fairlady" 2000s - but they were just too costly for me at that time. But in Australia they came with a 5 speed box and the competition engine They weighed 900kg (maybe 950kg) and had 150HP. A low 0-60 in 7 seconds. In 1970. They felt scary fast ... much due to their super hard suspension.

Those Datsun sports were raced too ... I would also like to race some of those around a track. On cross ply tyres.

 

[05XR8]

Feel like I'm not too bad through this corner (lap is a 1:01 something), been lifting around the start of the kerbstones (I think) but i am in something of a battle with myself about what gear to have on exit. In 2nd around t2, holding uber tight line gives me third down the hill but im in low revs for ages after t3 and 2nd gear is definitely there for the grabbing but not sure where to downshift as I ain't brakin' for nobody son

EDIT: now that I think about it Scandi flicks are super tempting there

I actual use the Scandinavian flick, in the M6 at the first chicane on La Sarthe.

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I've just spotted that Super Formula at Autopolis actually relates to a real life Super Formula race May 18/19:
https://www.gtplanet.net/super-formula-live-stream-2019/

Yep. I believe I mentioned it in the General Discussion.

 

[Pigems]

What’s a Scandinavian flea flicker?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

How long does that take you? Is there a way to use the paint job from one of my cars which I did, and to be able to put it onto another car? I know about how to duplicate a decal / shape as a layer. And also how to duplicate the decal to the other side of the vehicle ( a big time saver). I wish I could transfer a paint job though rather than start from scratch.

Oh and on race "A". These cars should be having cross ply tyres. Cross ply tyres drift heaps. Having a reasonable car with cross plies was awesome fun. I recall when switching to radials, the car would suddenly grip and grip, then just let go, horribly. No fun at all. Its a shame PD don't have an algorithm for cross ply tyre for the Porsche. That would be much more fun and also more real.

Depends on how detailed I want to make it. Since I'm down to cars I don't race all that often about 30 to 45 minutes per car. I've got a system now.

Unfortunately you can't transfer anything between cars, not even between the 2 identical BMW's. It sucks too that the color picker gets reset when you leave the livery editor so I have to match colors again if I race in between. Why isn't there a simple way to pick colors from decals (And why have I still not written the codes down ) That color picker is infuriating, keeps resetting to white, can't set hue when saturation and luminance are maxed.
Plus some cars have these odd panels in the middle of the 'normal' body, so you have to put the same decal in the other layer trying to match it up correctly. fun!

And I would like to chime in on the awful position of the third penalty zone. A McLaren in front of me had a 0.5 sec penalty. Of course he stays on the racing line, forcing me to the inside, then he speeds up next to me and I get a 0.5 sec penalty for evading him and he's still ahead. That 0.5 sec penalty turns into 1.5 sec lost in the first penalty zone... PD don't you test this stuff out first?

Anyway, still finished 3rd with blue B, now up to 60 SR. Next one for the clean race bonus!

 

[05XR8]

What’s a Scandinavian flea flicker?

YouTube it. Seriously. 👍

 

[Sven Jurgens]

What’s a Scandinavian flea flicker?

It's a rally term. You need to play Dirt Rally!

Another one in the bag.

This is the first car that (almost) hit the rev limiter while drafting. Now onto the '16 versions.
SR 64, nearly there. 4 per race lol.

 

[Pigems]

It's a rally term. You need to play Dirt Rally!

Another one in the bag.

This is the first car that (almost) hit the rev limiter while drafting. Now onto the '16 versions.
SR 64, nearly there. 4 per race lol.

Ah ok, cool.

I’m up over 40 now from race A, 2 wins, 2 2nds. I’m coming to B next in the Mustang!!

Edit: The double shift trick is golden off the line in the Porsche. You just shoot ahead of people going from 1st to 2nd, I almost feel bad.

Edit 2: No Sven in the SR B, Race B. Starting 13/15 in the Mustang. I like it in warmup, very stable but still fast. May run out of gear in drafting though, we’ll see.

 

[CrimsonKing]

This penalty system has created a very particular type of drivers. They are not very good at racing but are very skilled when it comes to exploiting it. Started the day in A/A because yesterday I rage quit a race and today after a race in Tokyo I'm a not so happy B/C feller. Guess I'll have to race how the game wants me to race.
Sorry for the negative post guys just wanted to vent. Still love racing.

 

[Pigems]

Man I keep getting jammed up here, every race, I even hung waaay back this time and stick got blocked. I didn’t punt him on purpose at all but I did enjoy watching him sail off, I won’t lie.


Worst Penalty ever or what?


Edit: Every single time on lap one, it never fails.



This happen right afterwards though, I’m not typically this brave, or lucky.


It was all good in the end though, finished 3.5 behind the Winner who was driving a Big Mac. I’m really liking the Mustang, reminds me of the M3 but more power.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I got this one straight away

But then I figured to race the Walkenhorst version as well yet unfortunately the higher my SR goes, the dirtier the races get

I wandered into SR.A and now someone bumps me from behind every race for an SR Down. I went up to 68, now back to 67. Frustrating without a jump button to evade these draft bumpers and bumper pushers. But another podium finish from the back is always fun. Plus I got my fastest lap yet with the M6, close to 4 minutes flat.

@Pigems, I stay way on the inside there to avoid situations like that. You can cut a little of the first bit (just a tiny bit) without getting a penalty. And if they turn into you, you can go wide to give them a penalty.

Got it

No podium finish as I had to teach a dirty driver a lesson. It was the same pusher as 2 races back. This time he was still in front and every time I started a draft pass he would squeeze me into the wall. Thus at the last moment I steered a bit into him, then into the wall. First time it didn't work, 2nd and 3rd he got a penalty. Then he tried to bump me in Mulsanne after I passed right before. So I took a slight short cut there after he bumped me adding more to his penalty. Same thing at Arnage, so I went slightly wide there. Then he had 6.5 seconds to serve and quit.

My SR went up to 71, his dropped to 28 After checking his profile, that's about his average SR. I told him to stop bumping and pushing, didn't listen.