"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Pigems]

@Sven Jurgens Good Idea, I’ll try that next time. Thanks!

Any ideas for this one?


I almost scored a Hat Trick at the end though.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Depends on how detailed I want to make it. Since I'm down to cars I don't race all that often about 30 to 45 minutes per car. I've got a system now.

Unfortunately you can't transfer anything between cars, not even between the 2 identical BMW's. It sucks too that the color picker gets reset when you leave the livery editor so I have to match colors again if I race in between. Why isn't there a simple way to pick colors from decals (And why have I still not written the codes down ) That color picker is infuriating, keeps resetting to white, can't set hue when saturation and luminance are maxed.
Plus some cars have these odd panels in the middle of the 'normal' body, so you have to put the same decal in the other layer trying to match it up correctly. fun!

And I would like to chime in on the awful position of the third penalty zone. A McLaren in front of me had a 0.5 sec penalty. Of course he stays on the racing line, forcing me to the inside, then he speeds up next to me and I get a 0.5 sec penalty for evading him and he's still ahead. That 0.5 sec penalty turns into 1.5 sec lost in the first penalty zone... PD don't you test this stuff out first?

Anyway, still finished 3rd with blue B, now up to 60 SR. Next one for the clean race bonus!

Quote (I bolded your comment): "PD don't you test this stuff out first?" Of course they test it. They want the game to reward unfair bumping, and unfair penalties. It would be so easy for the game to realise that if car on a straight turns into another car, that the perpetrator who turned was instigating the move. And the software would also know the braking points for a corner. So if a car brakes late and is hit be a car outside turning into the corner and hitting the late braking car - the a penalty would not have to be provided.

Much of it may be the net though ... yesterday at race A Brands hatch, I was following a fast A or A+ driver into corner corner 3, the first left corner. Its a corner where one can often run wide. So the guy in front runs wide of all the curbing, and he's all on the dirt. I followed him but was almost all on the bitumen. I did not touch any dirt. He careened on, I look forward to half or one second penalty. And I got it. Only problem was, I won the penalty. He got no penalty. The game is crazy - and its clear to me that the game is mean't to be.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

@Pigems, yes don't hit him Around works better then through

Tsk, that last clip. Making the other car believe they have the apex, then speed up again to stick your nose in!

I got tricked by a weave blocker. Making me lose sight of the brake markers. I missed everyone through and drove harmlessly into the reset point. It did cost me the clean race bonus but SR went up again, 72 now. I passed him at the end when another car punted me through the final chicane. Thanks for the shortcut. So many red A's in SR.A. In SR.B most were blue. World upside down tonight.

This is how I deal with early braking (he's in a Porsche, you can brake way late in that). Always go for the outside, if they don't pay attention and push you off, penalty for them.

Clean race bonus for me. Lancer you're slow, go home.

Lol dive bomber in a Corvette claims his braking points are deeper than the Atenza (slow piece of crap btw). Sorry buddy, I've already driven the Vette and drifting to barely avoid a penalty with a slow exit is not the way to take the first chicane on the straight. I avoided him this time, warned him he'll receive a penalty if he tries it again.

One more race, missed the clean race bonus last one due to avoiding the Vette. Got to hit them before driving off to avoid getting hit by them, err.

Done for the night

That puts me back in SR.S (81) after hitting as low as 8 on Monday. DR back up to 16.7K from 7K. (reset).

Races on Sarthe have definitely improved since Monday. But it helps to know the penalty system inside out. Thanks to the very strict track limits, bump passes and dirty blocks don't work in this race, simply tap a wall or drift slightly over the track limits to help the penalty system come to the correct conclusion. It's more of a self help tool than a reliable steward. Much better than last weeks race C where it only got worse with bumping as the week went on.

My last race was also one of the best. Great duel with a Mexican in the GR Supra. I was right on his tail at the start of lap 2 yet the Atenza just doesn't have the power to make a draft pass stick, it can hardly keep up while drafting. Then I had a better exit out of Mulsanne, passed him, but no chance to stay ahead of course. I kept with him and when he went wide at the end of the Corvette curves I was prepared with an inside line and passed him again. This time there was not enough room for him to make another pass, Atenza can brake nice and late for the last 2 chicanes and this slow piece of crap beat the Supra

5 cars cleared tonight, that puts the total at 19 different cars used so far on Sarthe with clean race bonus. 16 to go.

 

[Shearzy]

@Pigems, yes don't hit him Around works better then through

Tsk, that last clip. Making the other car believe they have the apex, then speed up again to stick your nose in!

I got tricked by a weave blocker. Making me lose sight of the brake markers. I missed everyone through and drove harmlessly into the reset point. It did cost me the clean race bonus but SR went up again, 72 now. I passed him at the end when another car punted me through the final chicane. Thanks for the shortcut. So many red A's in SR.A. In SR.B most were blue. World upside down tonight.

This is how I deal with early braking (he's in a Porsche, you can brake way late in that). Always go for the outside, if they don't pay attention and push you off, penalty for them.

Clean race bonus for me. Lancer you're slow, go home.

Lol dive bomber in a Corvette claims his braking points are deeper than the Atenza (slow piece of crap btw). Sorry buddy, I've already driven the Vette and drifting to barely avoid a penalty with a slow exit is not the way to take the first chicane on the straight. I avoided him this time, warned him he'll receive a penalty if he tries it again.

One more race, missed the clean race bonus last one due to avoiding the Vette. Got to hit them before driving off to avoid getting hit by them, err.

Done for the night

That puts me back in SR.S (81) after hitting as low as 8 on Monday. DR back up to 16.7K from 7K. (reset).

Races on Sarthe have definitely improved since Monday. But it helps to know the penalty system inside out. Thanks to the very strict track limits, bump passes and dirty blocks don't work in this race, simply tap a wall or drift slightly over the track limits to help the penalty system come to the correct conclusion. It's more of a self help tool than a reliable steward. Much better than last weeks race C where it only got worse with bumping as the week went on.

My last race was also one of the best. Great duel with a Mexican in the GR Supra. I was right on his tail at the start of lap 2 yet the Atenza just doesn't have the power to make a draft pass stick, it can hardly keep up while drafting. Then I had a better exit out of Mulsanne, passed him, but no chance to stay ahead of course. I kept with him and when he went wide at the end of the Corvette curves I was prepared with an inside line and passed him again. This time there was not enough room for him to make another pass, Atenza can brake nice and late for the last 2 chicanes and this slow piece of crap beat the Supra

5 cars cleared tonight, that puts the total at 19 different cars used so far on Sarthe with clean race bonus. 16 to go.

Try the Z4

 

[Fast_Times_75]

There has not been a change of rules.

It is entirely reasonable to refer to the nationality (or region) of a driver with whom you have had interactions - positive or negative. There's no innate lack of value in noting it. I had a nice race the other day with a Polish driver on my FIA EMEA account, but I had a less than nice race with a Costa Rican driver on my US account.

It is not reasonable to refer to drivers of that nationality (or region) with a blanket negative stereotype. Aside from the confirmation bias, it's rude and has always been against the GTPlanet rules. And we are GTPlanet, not GTEnglishspeakingcountries or GTNorthamerica. We have members here from the nations that people often like to make comments about. Do you think that it makes the site and its members seem more welcoming and friendly when they read these comments?

The irony. As if English speakers or North Americans are the only ones. Talk about blanket negative stereotype.

 

[DanSHW]

Another former lurker here, thought I'd finally sign up after taking my fourth win yesterday, but more importantly my first in a race car, and my first using a wheel!

Fantastic clean fight as well, started P1 in the Vantage with a German in a Supra P2, he drafted me down to the first chicane, textbook overtake, alongside and smoothly up the inside, but I was straight back on his tail, and alongside into the second chicane, could probably have cut across him for the right, but left some room, got a better exit and back ahead. He then drafted me for the next straight, clean overtake into mulsanne corner, but slow exit and I was back alongside. Backed off just before the kink to allow him ahead, and he ran slightly wide out of Indianapolis, allowing me back past, and after I got a better exit out of Arnage, I got enough of a gap to stay ahead for the rest of the race, and won by 2.5s, with 3rd about another 8s back. Thanked him for the clean racing after, hope I get to race him again.

 

[gtpierre]

@Pigems,

This is how I deal with early braking (he's in a Porsche, you can brake way late in that). Always go for the outside, if they don't pay attention and push you off, penalty for them.

This is dirty af . I would report you and post the video for doing this and probably give you a nice little payback.
Braking early is the easiest way to let someone pass you, or to ensure you exit as fast as possible. It's entirely on you since to did not go for the inside line.

He is braking at the beginning of the curb, which is few m after the braking point for the F1, he could as well not be used to the better braking of the porsche.

 

[tariklehaine]

This is dirty af . I would report you and post the video for doing this and probably give you a nice little payback.
Braking early is the easiest way to let someone pass you, or to ensure you exit as fast as possible. It's entirely on you since to did not go for the inside line.

He is braking at the beginning of the curb, which is few m after the braking point for the F1, he could as well not be used to the better braking of the porsche.

How in the hell could @Sven Jurgens go for the inside line here? There was no room in there... This was the only move he could do/I would also do without punting the dude in front off the track

 

[El_Beardo]

Tried the Aston, as @Voodoovaj suggested.

Down to 4:00.202.

I think I prefer the Nissan. So, back to that tonight. Aiming for 58's now.

 

[gtpierre]

How in the hell could @Sven Jurgens go for the inside line here? There was no room in there... This was the only move he could do/I would also do without punting the dude in front of the track

Well it's possible if you are not already aiming for the main racing line like the guy in front...
It's poor judgement and saying "hey everyone do like me to give people penalties when you don't tolerate them braking 5m too early" is kinda wrong considering most people in here will feel like the guy before them brakes too early while they are in fact braking too late.

This is one of the most complicated corners of the track and countless top drivers have messed up this turn IRL. Blaming someone for braking 5m too early and giving him purposely a penalty is a dirty move.

 

[Deadpool]

Had a pretty solid night. Wanted to do race C with the Formula car but ridiculous that its only the Toyota not the Honda also. Such a joke, wonder how much PD made off of people buying credits just to buy it.

End that rant. Did Race A and B mostly. 2 at Le Sarthe finished 2nd both times and within 1 second of first who was A+. Then moved on to race A with the Porsche, very fun car to drive and tricky to balance. Right now my fastest time is 59.34x but my race laps have been 59.2xx. Did like 6 races in A, won five by an average of 10-20sec over 2nd, and finished 2nd once..... I really like this car, it really rewards patience and a smooth style. I had 1 race with three 49.2xx in a row.

The race I finished 2nd though was absurd, some idiot with username Delmar516a was intentionally pushing drivers off track as a way of blocking. This is one of those idiots who can set a single lucky blistering lap, but is completely useless in a race, and because of that he resorts to dirty tactics. I started on pole, had the lead out of turn 1 but he decided to divebomb me into turn 1 forcing his way through. No worries I think, because I had been beating this guy by 20-30sec so I knew he'd mess up. Sure enough lap 3 turn 1 he loses it at the bottom. I've taken a different line and I fly by him as hes fishtailing. Just as I'm past he pushes me wide and into the wall. Drops me to 6th, almost rage quit but I decided to beat him. Lap 5 I caught and passed him in a legally grey rubbing pass, a stern pass if you will. By the end of the lap I have 3 seconds on him and 2 sec down from the leader. Nearly caught him .2 behind at the finish. After I had passed the idiot, I watched as he continued to push others wide on straights etc, same thing I saw while catching him.

Fun night though

 

[MaxAttack]

@Pigems the Scandi Flick;

It's a technique based in weight transfer, a critical concept in rallying. Say I want to go around a very tight left hander with a good runup. Braking, accelerating and turning will shift the weight of the car around the chassis as I'm sure you understand, and if I simply brake and turn in, I will be shifting the weight forward and then backwards into the rear bumper as I go around the corner. On gravel, and particularly at high speed in an FWD car, this is a pain in the ass, so a rally driver will purposely shift the weight away from the corner, aiming to push it all into the rear far side of the car. This puts the momentum exactly where you want to stomp the power and let the front wheels pull you out of the corner. You can scandi flick anything but it's most effective with FWD or 4WD on a loose surface.

Moves like this that conserve momentum over maintaining the 'tightest line' are key in stage rally where maintaining momentum consistently important as accelerating on a rally stage is much harder than on a circuit.

I want to flick the Porsche at t3 because it is down hill, and its weight is super rear biased with the throttle down so I get the feeling it will hilariously send itself across the grass.

My love fore the flick might be why I avoid Porsches. Porsches on gravel are very scary.

 

[QC YALUM]

That trick is what how please inform?

I was initially slow on the get aways in the Porsche at Brands and it cost me lots of points. So far I've lost 3,500 DR but my SR is 99 now, which makes me feel better than the DR. I double I'll get many back because I was only getting 100 or so for a win. In one race I passed an A+ who eventually came alongside me up the main straight, and he beautifully pushed me off and I found the sand, I did not get reset, and I lost a heap of points. Last nigh though I had some wine in me and I lost a few thousand points. Its amazing how bad I am with a tiny bit of alcohol in me. Don't drink and drive Smoke n Fly

I did a 58.851 a couple of days ago, quite easily as with throttle sensitive cars I usually do better, I got it pre-race. But everyone is catching up now. I turned the cones off though and I find it difficult to estimate when to brake for the critical final corner. Pigems how do you work out when to brake there. Hence I tend to play it safe there in a race and if the car slows down then you loose a lot of speed. Braking points is a skill I need to work on ...

Man I keep getting jammed up here, every race, I even hung waaay back this time and stick got blocked. I didn’t punt him on purpose at all but I did enjoy watching him sail off, I won’t lie.


Worst Penalty ever or what?


Edit: Every single time on lap one, it never fails.



This happen right afterwards though, I’m not typically this brave, or lucky.


It was all good in the end though, finished 3.5 behind the Winner who was driving a Big Mac. I’m really liking the Mustang, reminds me of the M3 but more power.

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shift the pony at 3/4 RPM 4 Maximum acceleration m8 . And looking at ur video u look to be much faster than the other in front and its exactly why i Qualify . Can't avoid them in corners lollll

 

[WaikeCU]

@Pigems

I tried the challenge at 7pm CET when everyone joined the FIA Nation's Cup, I tried the challenge with the 911 at La Sarthe. I joined in a session full of D/S's and with my S/S status meant I was pray for the others to gain lots of points. A lobby full of Mclaren F1's and Ford GT's and me sitting on pole with my 911. Others fastest qualifying times were well above the 4:00. Some even on 4:05-4:07. None under the 4mins.

Forgot to change the BB to +2. I was on -2 because of the Nation's Cup practice. This meant I understeered wide into Tertre Rouge, which gave me a 3s penalty. I experienced the wrath of the V8 and V12 power. I had to fall back serving the penalty on the Mulsanne straight. The Ford GT went past and I had to chase a straight line rocket. 1.9s became 2.5 by the end of the Mulsanne straight. I gained back at him through Indianapolis, Porsche and Ford curves, but back on the Mulsanne straight when I'm even .9s behind, the GT starts pulling away. I went for the late brake into the 1st Mulsanne chicane, really attacking it. and I gained back on him giving me the slipstream to tow me around the straights. At the end of the Mulsanne straight, he placed his car very strategically having me to avoid his braking and go wide. Somehow it gave me a penalty (for getting wide?) So again on the backfoot as I now really have to take risks going through the technical sections. So I did, by the end of the Corvettes, I was back on his tail, but I failed to find a way to pass him in the tight Ford chicanes. Have to settle for 2nd and take the 500 points loss on my DR.

So yeah difficult to make the car work in the technical section when you are stuck behind them.

 

[tariklehaine]

Well it's possible if you are not already aiming for the main racing line like the guy in front...

It was still not possible for @Sven Jurgens imo looking at his speed. And from my perspective Sven isn’t doing this on purpose because he instantly started to brake (I think reacting to the early braking of the guy in front) instead of going for a penalty for him. Imo Sven did what was the best possible solution in this situation (going for the outer line instead of punting the fella off).

 

[gtpierre]

It was still not possible for @Sven Jurgens imo looking at his speed. And from my perspective Sven isn’t doing this on purpose because he instantly started to brake (I think reacting to the early braking of the guy in front) instead of going for a penalty for him. Imo Sven did what was the best possible solution in this situation (going for the outer line instead of punting the fella off).

I'm not criticizing the outside move, im criticizing the part where he claims purposely provoking a penalty is an appropriate way to deal with a less skilled driver that did nothing wrong. Seeing the way the Porsche took the turn, he gained time on the previous drivers and probably managed to catch their draft on the way to Arnage.

Essentially, if you complain about people driving too slow, just qualify better or drive more carefully.

I'm not complaining about people that slow down after the Porsche curve even though it annoys me. But then again, the only time it annoyed me was when I got a penalty and got passed by someone slower. Otherwise qualifying takes care of removing slower drivers.

 

[Famine]

The irony. As if English speakers or North Americans are the only ones. Talk about blanket negative stereotype.

That's an interesting first post.

GTPlanet is based in North America, and requires - as the first point of the Acceptable Use Policy - all users to post in English. As a result, our highest traffic nations are Anglophonic, with the USA and UK alone accounting for two-thirds of site traffic. Mostly Anglophone Canada and Australia also sit in the top five pretty regularly.

However, GTPlanet counts members and regular readers from across the globe. France, Germany, Netherlands and Spain are all usually in the top ten, and right now Italy and Brazil are rounding that out. South Africa, Japan and Malaysia all currently sit in the top fifteen, accounting for all six populated continents (I can't find any readers from Antarctica right now, but I recall we've had one) - thus GTPlanet is GTPlanet, and not GTNorthamerica or GTEnglishspeakingcountries.

I'm not sure what irony or "blanket negative stereotype" you're reading there.

 

[MaxAttack]

(I can't find any readers from Antarctica right now, but I recall we've had one).

wut

Bet that dude slays at rally sweden

 

[Famine]

wut

Bet that dude slays at rally sweden

I'd hazard a guess it was a scientist/gaming enthusiast at Amundsen-Scott Base. Got to get your GTPlanet fix even in six-month long winters (or summers).

I'm waiting for a hit from the ISS, personally.

 

[MaxAttack]

I'd hazard a guess it was a scientist/gaming enthusiast at Amundsen-Scott Base. Got to get your GTPlanet fix even in six-month long winters (or summers).

This gives me an idea - a Dakar style event for extreme range autonomous rally raid trucks in Antarctica...

just gimme 50 years...

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

The people at the back of the grid do weird and unpredictable things, that is why they're down there. If you're starting at the back of the grid in their world I think you have to leave them extra space out of respect and for safety. You wouldn't go into somebody else's house with your shoes on, this is somehow similar.

Edit: Thread moved too quick for me

 

[05XR8]

WRX is like a T-Rex. Short gears and arms.

 

[Shearzy]

WRX is like a T-Rex. Short gears and arms.

 

[MaxAttack]

Just got to B rank from my first race of the day, race A, 3rd off the grid with my 1.00.1 which I still haven't beaten, but was only a tenth off in warmup so pretty confident. There was a German A rank in there for some reason, guess just the time of day.

i killed the british dude who had pole while he was in 2nd around the final corner. I'm barely braking through there if at all, and people in my lobbies seem to be braking hard and late. Rear end punt. Shadow realm and all that.

I kinda wiggled my throttle as he went off, thought I might give him the position but he was way too murdered.

German dude was gone, French chap couldn't catch me. Pretty uneventful really, but I'll take dem points.

sorry guy but if it's any consolation i'm now gonna hit that b rank wall and start not winning again.

 

[Pigems]

@Sven Jurgens I just had an idea. You can’t draft your ghost in Qualifying, but can you draft one in a race? He’s my theory, coming down the long straights you just pause the game so your car ghosts out(while maintaining full throttle because you’re on a straight) but the guy behind loses his draft because you’re a ghost, then Unpause near the end of the straight and continue on. It might also work if your about to get draft bumped, he’d go right through you instead.

 

[Dorofint]

This penalty system has created a very particular type of drivers. They are not very good at racing but are very skilled when it comes to exploiting it. Started the day in A/A because yesterday I rage quit a race and today after a race in Tokyo I'm a not so happy B/C feller. Guess I'll have to race how the game wants me to race.
Sorry for the negative post guys just wanted to vent. Still love racing.

Yes, there are many players who exploit the weaknesses in the penalty system mercilessly for their advantages. Some of the tricks have worked since the release of the game and have never been fixed. That is exactly what I accuse the developers. Anyone makes mistakes but if you do not eliminate long-known mistakes, it will be embarrassing at some point.

 

[gthelmi2398]

Next week races:
A: Tsukuba Circuit - N300 [I think the Greddy Fugu]
B: Dragon Trail Gardens - Gr. 4
C: Monza - Gr. 3

I like race B and C. These will be my favourites.

 

[Doglove]

What would you like to know about it? It actually speaks for itself. When using it it gives you extra power for easier passing. Just know you can use it for a couple of seconds and it will not refill unlike KERS .

It's about how to use it. Do i need to go to controller configuration to activate a new button?

 

[Pigems]

It's about how to use it. Do i need to go to controller configuration to activate a new button?

Yes, it’s not mapped stock.

 

[watto79]

Next week races:
A: Tsukuba Circuit - N300 [I think the Greddy Fugu]
B: Dragon Trail Gardens - Gr. 4
C: Monza - Gr. 3

I like race B and C. These will be my favourites.

Nice selection of races there. I approve 👍

From memory there are a few possible car choices for Gr.4 around DT Gardens that are competitive. Race C is good for me as I need the practice around Monza. Considering it's a high speed track it can be surprisingly difficult. Getting the chicanes spot on can have a dramatic effect on lap times.

In other news, getting a corner cut penalty at Le Sarthe doesn't stop you from getting a clean race bonus.