"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Trone_Colby]

Do y’all change tires in Race C? Looking at my reply, everyone changes tires except me. I still finish ahead to 3rd from 7th. Video later.

 

[Leftcurl]

Self detrimental humour

It's lovely here. Stunning little island to live on. This is a 15/20 minute walk from my front door.

South stack right? with the lighthouse? Beautiful.

 

[Invisigoth]

Do y’all change tires in Race C? Looking at my reply, everyone changes tires except me. I still finish ahead to 3rd from 7th. Video later.

Well, since most of us are going for a no stop strategy, that by definition would mean no tyre change . I'm crap at conserving tyres, but even I manage to finish with the one set .

 

[Adam Barber]

Just finished race C in the M6 and went from 5th to second with the no15 (15th highest DR) car and DR goes down by 200. I give up this is stupid

 

[juanito0585]

Drove a bit last night hahahaha First took some time to put down some ideas about using the blue parts near the kerbs when braking in orden to use all track width. Improved my qualy time to 1:21.291 BB -2
After that I was feeling like racing. First race started on pole, that was a nice surprise. First race trying to save fuel for a no stop strategy. Used FM1 and heavy short shifting while a Mercedes stood right in my tail, then lost my place because of a small mistake and decided to chase without pushing til lap 12 or so when he pitted for a splash. I was not going to make it so changed FM to 6 and kept working on the short shifting. Won the race with a lap in the tank, so I think I was pretty scared about ruining it by runing out of fuel.
Race 2 started 4th but ended on the gravel at T1, so P 13th or so... Recovery drive with FM 3 and short shifting, briefly used higher FM to get to the end. Ended P 6 with 0.0 laps on the tank and some SR down.

Really happy with my daily races, now DR B SR S

 

[Voodoovaj]

I am also interested in learning more fuel saving but what exactly you did here? Just half way up the rev counter, changing gears up is what you are trying to show here?Short shifting or i missed something

"Short Shifting" can mean a lot from "half way up the rev counter" to just short of red-line, etc.

What I am showing is that, on downshifts, I am trying to avoid engine braking too much, because that burns fuel unnecessarily.

In the corners, I am showing how quickly I get out of a low gear and use the engine's torque (ergo low revs) to pull away from the corners.

In corners that would normally be a second gear corner, the Ferrari can use third. In corners that normally would be taken in 3rd, I can do 4th, etc.


I remember when I first started the short shifting strategy over fuel maps and I didn't quite get it. It took a while to figure out how it was really done. I am finding the Ferrari to be one of the easiest cars to drive this way.

 

[Dairyworker]

Did some more late night races last night. Again 4 races starting at 12, all were good, competitive affairs. I even managed to trim my time a bit more to a 36.400 This last two weeks of a races has been lots of fun for me, i hope we get another good combo next week

 

[O604]

IOF_Racing27 posted this video last week, Race C, Red Bull 2019 at Sardenga A.

He starts from from last place. 2nd place Calster25, apparently plays on a DS4. Crazy fast race.

 

[Gersicer]

IOF_Racing27 posted this video last week, Race C, Red Bull 2019 at Sardenga A.

He starts from from last place. 2nd place Calster25, apparently plays on a DS4. Crazy fast race.

He plays with a T-GT. Still crazy fast though !!

Edit : I re read your post. I thought you were talking about IOF .... My bad

 

[sturk0167]

Saw this old Chevy ad. I think from back then.



"If there's anything that hugs better than a Camaro hugs the road, you can't drive it." Nothing suggestive there.

That's a pretty good one. Chevy is basically saying that this car will get you chicks. Ironically, today that car would attract a hell of a lot more dudes.

 

[O604]

That's a pretty good one. Chevy is basically saying that this car will get you chicks. Ironically, today that car would attract a hell of a lot more dudes.

Yeah that flash of 3 girls (a blonde, brunette and redhead) at 20 seconds reminds of an old comedy skit on subliminal advertising.

 

[MortosDer]

Not liking that no stopping on C is basically the only valid strategy.
Shame. I really like the track.
Hopefully the fia race won't be like this.

 

[NevilleNobody]

FML.

Had a qualy best of 1.31.1 at Brands, took a one lap stab as i waited for the trace to start and pulled the absolute best qualy lap of my life, by miles. i felt I nailed EVERYTHING, and importantly maintained momentum through the fast corners of Brands. Crossed the line at a 1.30.3, stripping a full 8/10ths. That's as fast as i can go, absolutely sure of it.

Race starts and i am in a tough group, all SRS and DRA and DRB. My bib is 14 and i am starting p5, 11th was just half a second slower than me so it was tight field, really tight.

Gain a spot first lap as someone spins, sitting nicely but feeling pressure from behind, gaggle of cars 0.5 to 0.8 behind. Decide i need to up the pace a tad to try and break the tow, into T1 i go a touch wider (left) to take a faster line through it and catch the grass with my left rear, around i go. Finish stone motherless last.

FFS.

 

[sturk0167]

Not linking that no stopping on C is basically the only valid strategy.
Shame. I really like the track.
Hopefully the fia race won't be like this.

I hear ya. I think that at this point, my least favorite type of race is a fuel economy race. I just don't really want to do them anymore.
Flat-out racing is what I'm looking for when I turn on my console.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

"Short Shifting" can mean a lot from "half way up the rev counter" to just short of red-line, etc.

What I am showing is that, on downshifts, I am trying to avoid engine braking too much, because that burns fuel unnecessarily.

In the corners, I am showing how quickly I get out of a low gear and use the engine's torque (ergo low revs) to pull away from the corners.

In corners that would normally be a second gear corner, the Ferrari can use third. In corners that normally would be taken in 3rd, I can do 4th, etc.


I remember when I first started the short shifting strategy over fuel maps and I didn't quite get it. It took a while to figure out how it was really done. I am finding the Ferrari to be one of the easiest cars to drive this way.

Why does engine braking burn fuel? Every engine with injection stops the fuel when engine braking.

 

[Invisigoth]

His eyes, were ablaze. See the madman in his gaze... and so it goes, goes round again on the island. Went in with the Jag. Didin't improve on my Beetle time, but my optimum was better, so I didn't feel like I was cheating by using a different car's qualifying time. Duerto the nature of the beast, matching can be so random. Last couple of nights I started P14, tonight I started P6. Was happy with that .. till the race started and people were acting like idiots .

I got hit at T1, pushed off at T3, fell back 3 positions, then was devoured by a hungry pack and bashed by everyone as they came through. I limped out, battered and bruised in P16 with a 4s penalty accompanying one of those orange SRs I saw . Slowly I made my way around the circuit and caught and passed a few. I spun out a couple of times, which didn't help, but every lap I did where I kept it on the track I was gaining, even with my short shifting and tall gears. 3rd was the lowest gear I used for the whole race.

People started to pit but I still had 1/2 a tank left when I started lap 8. Inch by inch I was gaining and in the last few laps I was in P9 and about 2s behind the pack ahead.. I had problems with P17. The stupid moron somehow thought that even though he was ghosted because he was a back marker, he could somehow block me . I did make another error that had me in the sand and drop another position. In the end I finished P10, with apparently 0.6 laps of fuel left. It started flashing red as I started the final lap. So... the Jag is another no stop contender. I didn't notice the tyre wear either.

SR blue, despite the mid pack shenanigans, DR up 80. Another day above DR 1 .

 

[Suntek]

It really surprises me how slow the Camaro is off the starting line in this game. It only spins it's tires when you're turning.
The guy in this video gets a launch that's a little closer to what I want. 👍

My mother in law has a '69 Z28 with original engine and it really is a slouch from dead stop.
Thing is that at that time it was a rocket compared to the rest, it's just that we're too used to modern racers' accelerations.
A lot of camaros today are modded and have a lot of modern parts, quite commonly a different engine as well, thus the accelerations..

 

[Dairyworker]

Having some better luck with my competitors this morning as compared to yesterday. Have managed to get my sr back up to 99(where it belongs) i even got some dr points but lost more than a days worth when i spun at the bottom of the hill under pressure. I haven't lost it there completely all week, in practice or race, i couldn't believe it lol

Haven't been able to improve my qualifying time, tbh i am not sure i can...

 

[sturk0167]

My mother in law has a '69 Z28 with original engine and it really is a slouch from dead stop.
Thing is that at that time it was a rocket compared to the rest, it's just that we're too used to modern racers' accelerations.
A lot of camaros today are modded and have a lot of modern parts, quite commonly a different engine as well, thus the accelerations..

It's probably a good thing that they don't launch like the one in the video. Could you imagine how much SR would be lost in the first 2 seconds of a grid start race.

 

[Gersicer]

His eyes, were ablaze. See the madman in his gaze... and so it goes, goes round again on the island. Went in with the Jag. Didin't improve on my Beetle time, but my optimum was better, so I didn't feel like I was cheating by using a different car's qualifying time. Duerto the nature of the beast, matching can be so random. Last couple of nights I started P14, tonight I started P6. Was happy with that .. till the race started and people were acting like idiots .

I got hit at T1, pushed off at T3, fell back 3 positions, then was devoured by a hungry pack and bashed by everyone as they came through. I limped out, battered and bruised in P16 with a 4s penalty accompanying one of those orange SRs I saw . Slowly I made my way around the circuit and caught and passed a few. I spun out a couple of times, which didn't help, but every lap I did where I kept it on the track I was gaining, even with my short shifting and tall gears. 3rd was the lowest gear I used for the whole race.

People started to pit but I still had 1/2 a tank left when I started lap 8. Inch by inch I was gaining and in the last few laps I was in P9 and about 2s behind the pack ahead.. I had problems with P17. The stupid moron somehow thought that even though he was ghosted because he was a back marker, he could somehow block me . I did make another error that had me in the sand and drop another position. In the end I finished P10, with apparently 0.6 laps of fuel left. It started flashing red as I started the final lap. So... the Jag is another no stop contender. I didn't notice the tyre wear either.

SR blue, despite the mid pack shenanigans, DR up 80. Another day above DR 1 .

Now his wings turn to ashes to ashes his graaave .......

Seemed appropriate !

 

[Voodoovaj]

Why does engine braking burn fuel? Every engine with injection stops the fuel when engine braking.

In the real world, yes, but this isn't the real world.

This is a simulation and fuel is just a resource that is consumed based on engine revs. If you downshift early, the engine revs will shoot up, even bounce off the rev limiter, and that fuel is consumed more rapidly.

This is why I also don't understand the desire to pass people if you are on the same pace. Being in someone's draft allows you to achieve the same speeds with fewer revs, thereby saving you fuel. That allows you to have more in reserve to charge away near the end.

 

[Dairyworker]

Omg my last race was incredible, all guys i trust up front with me. Was a fairly close top 4 all race, i managed to pull out a 2nd, from pole. Guy got around me right near the start and was damn good, i couldn't pass him especially while trying to defend.

Replay shared if your on my friends list, not so sure how to youtubes it lol not proud of my "dive" on the last turn but i felt like i was gonna hit the guy in front and was honestly just trying to avoid contact. We have been racing all morning and he understood/was cool in post race chat.

 

[sturk0167]

2 Japanese races next week, to make up for none this week.

A - N200 at Autopolis 3 laps
B - Gr.3 at Maggiore GP 4 laps
C - Gr.X at Fuji 14 laps (RS tires)

 

[Voodoovaj]

Not liking that no stopping on C is basically the only valid strategy.
Shame. I really like the track.
Hopefully the fia race won't be like this.

I hear ya. I think that at this point, my least favorite type of race is a fuel economy race. I just don't really want to do them anymore.
Flat-out racing is what I'm looking for when I turn on my console.

What's the difference?

In order to win a fuel saving race, you have to hit your apexes, manage your tires, and try to not use up your allocation of fuel.
In order to win a fuel stop race, you have to hit your apexes, manage your tires, and try to not use up your allocation of fuel.

The goals are the same. If you think a race is won because of 1 fast lap, you are sadly mistaken. A race is won by being the fastest to complete the distance. Even when you have to stop once, or even twice, you are still looking to minimize your time in the pits as well as on track.

In my races, the fastest laps are always somewhere between 1:20 and 1:21.5. The fuel saving guys are lapping almost as fast. Who would you say is actually the "faster" driver then? If it were a "flat out" strategy race, as you say, the person who can get around the track smoother is still going to be faster.

No offense, but people who think like this is the reason I shy away from META cars. I MUCH prefer wins in a car that others think slow you down, because then, when I do win, it's that much more delicious!!!



On a related note, I was chatting with other Ferrari users and they recommended a -1 brake balance instead of my -2. I tried it. Over a single lap, the difference was minor. Over 15 laps, I was 10 seconds faster.

 

[watto79]

2 Japanese races next week, to make up for none this week.

A - N200 at Autopolis 3 laps
B - Gr.3 at Maggiore GP 4 laps
C - Gr.X at Fuji 14 laps

Fuji are hosting a SuperFormula race this Sunday, so you can bet your house that will be the Gr.X car. Should be good fun if it is.

 

[Hasnain282]

2 Japanese races next week, to make up for none this week.

A - N200 at Autopolis 3 laps
B - Gr.3 at Maggiore GP 4 laps
C - Gr.X at Fuji 14 laps

Wow Gr.3 Maggiore forward direction, an old favourite, I remember the disappointment from the amount of times that showed up as the reverse layout

Edit: Also x8 fuel in the SuperFormula cars means you will have to refuel, x8 tyre wear should be fine even on softs

 

[sturk0167]

What's the difference?

In order to win a fuel saving race, you have to hit your apexes, manage your tires, and try to not use up your allocation of fuel.
In order to win a fuel stop race, you have to hit your apexes, manage your tires, and try to not use up your allocation of fuel.

The goals are the same. If you think a race is won because of 1 fast lap, you are sadly mistaken. A race is won by being the fastest to complete the distance. Even when you have to stop once, or even twice, you are still looking to minimize your time in the pits as well as on track.

In my races, the fastest laps are always somewhere between 1:20 and 1:21.5. The fuel saving guys are lapping almost as fast. Who would you say is actually the "faster" driver then? If it were a "flat out" strategy race, as you say, the person who can get around the track smoother is still going to be faster.

No offense, but people who think like this is the reason I shy away from META cars. I MUCH prefer wins in a car that others think slow you down, because then, when I do win, it's that much more delicious!!!



On a related note, I was chatting with other Ferrari users and they recommended a -1 brake balance instead of my -2. I tried it. Over a single lap, the difference was minor. Over 15 laps, I was 10 seconds faster.

I'm not as good as you are, so I prefer races that pose fewer challenges. I don't really care about confronting adversity, to improve my skills. I just want to do the kind of racing that I have the most fun with.

 

[MortosDer]

What's the difference?

In order to win a fuel saving race, you have to hit your apexes, manage your tires, and try to not use up your allocation of fuel.
In order to win a fuel stop race, you have to hit your apexes, manage your tires, and try to not use up your allocation of fuel.

The goals are the same. If you think a race is won because of 1 fast lap, you are sadly mistaken. A race is won by being the fastest to complete the distance. Even when you have to stop once, or even twice, you are still looking to minimize your time in the pits as well as on track.

In my races, the fastest laps are always somewhere between 1:20 and 1:21.5. The fuel saving guys are lapping almost as fast. Who would you say is actually the "faster" driver then? If it were a "flat out" strategy race, as you say, the person who can get around the track smoother is still going to be faster.

No offense, but people who think like this is the reason I shy away from META cars. I MUCH prefer wins in a car that others think slow you down, because then, when I do win, it's that much more delicious!!!



On a related note, I was chatting with other Ferrari users and they recommended a -1 brake balance instead of my -2. I tried it. Over a single lap, the difference was minor. Over 15 laps, I was 10 seconds faster.

I drive AT. No stopping is impossible for me.
Note that I didn't say they should change it. I just said I didn't like it.
When there's stopping involved there's not so much fuel management, I can play around fuel mapping, but otherwise I'm just not thinking about it.

Again, didn't say they should change it or make every race a 1stop.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I'm not as good as you are, so I prefer races that pose fewer challenges. I don't really care about confronting adversity, to improve my skills. I want to do the kind of racing that I have the most fun with.

It's still the same thing. If the cars were BoP'd down by 100-150 horsepower, would you stop racing? My ability versus your ability is of no consequence.

Regardless of the fuel saving aspects, you still need to put in fast laps to catch the person in front of you. In this race, it forces you to do what racing is really about, which is clean consistent laps.

These are the races that make you a better player. I HATE HATE HATED Race C for so long because I would just burn up all the gas and spend forever in the pits. I'd lead for the first bit, then I'd get over taken in the pits by the people who focused on running their laps as efficiently as possible. Then I learned. I learned that it's not about balls out all the time. it's about the bigger picture.

I drive AT. No stopping is impossible for me.
Note that I didn't say they should change it. I just said I didn't like it.
When there's stopping involved there's not so much fuel management, I can play around fuel mapping, but otherwise I'm just not thinking about it.

Again, didn't say they should change it or make every race a 1stop.

You could go with a different map, or learn manual. It's not that hard.

Mind you, I've been driving manual in real life for 34 years and in games since (literally) the dawn of games, so it's kind of second nature. Either way, this is a perfect time to learn it because you don't have to be super precise and being slow on the down shifts is advantageous.

 

[Dairyworker]

Quick hot lap session at maggiore. Trimmed down to a 36.131 with a .070 optimal. Not sure i can beat that but now i want a 35.xxx lol

Time to wash the tanks.....