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Voodoovaj
So, at your track days, you don't discuss how best to lap? What tire pressures to run? What suspension settings to click in to? You don't "talk numbers" at all?

Seems really unlikely, especially the tire pressure discussion.
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It's not that you don't talk numbers, it's that you go there to enjoy yourself and have a good time first and foremost... And then you leave.

You don't think "hey that guy that talked about statistics and braking points for 25 mins seems like an exciting person"

You and your canadian clone over there are literally trying to argue with me that no stop races (something that is notoriously boring) are more exciting than balls to the wall full on racing...

If that were the case then F1 wouldn't have started introducing tyres that degraded way sooner, forcing more stops to try and make the races more exciting because millions of fans were complaining how stale it had become.

If PD made a change to the C races... and made one stops more competitive by allowing the use of multiple tyre compounds I can guarantee right now 99.9% of people will do a one stop...because the ability to go all out all the time, is far more exciting than cruising around at 80% just so you can get another boring win.
 
BradleyLove
Where on earth are you drawing this conclusion from? “Most enjoyable” is very much in the eye of the beholder.

Besides, if one does not want to manage fuel or tyre wear, then there’s two other races that allow balls-out racing.

Really don’t think this is the hill you wanna die on.

Edit: Not entirely sure how what continent you’re from has any bearing on track days. You’re just trolling now.
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There are 2 other races, I agree.. but they're terrible.

PD could easily just make 5 races per week, with one of them being a 10 lap race without fuel/tyre wear... Or failing that as I said before just make one stops more competitive.

It's a joke when the only way to win in the higher level lobbies, is by racing a boring 80% of your ability race and getting analytical about fuel.

The most enjoyable thing about racing is when you're right near the ragged edge being pushed by other skilled drivers around you.

also are you trying to imply that there are more races tracks available to a Canadian than there are to a european... given that the proximity to tracks in Europe (especially the UK is tiny)...

And it's not "in the eye of the beholder" when a one stop is competitive(i.e. at least close to a no stop)... what generally happens? the overwhelming majority start one stopping... because it means you can be racey throughout... and it's more enjoyable and throws up better races.

That alone ends this debate.
 
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GhostCaliber
There are 2 other races, I agree.. but they're terrible.

PD could easily just make 5 races per week, with one of them being a 10 lap race without fuel/tyre wear... Or failing that as I said before just make one stops more competitive.

It's a joke when the only way to win in the higher level lobbies, is by racing a boring 80% of your ability race and getting analytical about fuel.

The most enjoyable thing about racing is when you're right near the ragged edge being pushed by other skilled drivers around you.

also are you trying to imply that there are more races tracks available to a Canadian than there are to a european... given that the proximity to tracks in Europe (especially the UK is tiny)...

And it's not "in the eye of the beholder" when a one stop is competitive(i.e. at least close to a no stop)... what generally happens? the overwhelming majority start one stopping... because it means you can be racey throughout... and it's more enjoyable and throws up better races.

That alone ends this debate.
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The most enjoyable thing to YOU is driving on the edge, to others it’s adopting an endurance-style approach. Not sure why you don’t understand that point?

And you didn’t say more tracks were available, you said you’ve done more track days. Which makes no sense.

You’re being overtly antagonistic and belligerent. It’s not a good look.
 
Hey new guy. Your attitude is terrible.....

I am headed home from work soon and am gonna be runnin the camaro till she blows trying to beat my best time. I'll probably do some races to but am gonna focus on hot laps. Wish me luck
 
I watched here the videos (thank you guys :cheers::gtplanet: ) and the help with that I managed to run a 1:22.056 lap. To me it's a Millenium Falcon at lightspeed lap time :D .

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Daily B, Genesis :)
No tactics, just pedal to the metal.
After the first corner dropped back to 8th or 9th after a hit - and there was a lot of it later too. Went to the pit after the 9th lap, came back to 5th(!) position. After a few laps I met with the John Cena family: in the second corner I got hit from a 911 (not the first from him...) who got a hit from a GTR (not the first from him...) so the 911 hit me again. Spun out like hell => 10th :( . It was a fun race though :) .

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For what it's worth, I've seen people make a one stop strategy work in Race C.
In general I like that GT Sport mixes up balls to the wall racing and a slower more considered style of racing. That should please everyone, and I'm happy with whatever strategy my fellow racers are using. I've never thought less of someone for using a different strategy to me. That's just plain odd.
 
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GhostCaliber
The fact that you think I'm being a douchebag and somehow "name calling people" when thats literally what you just did, is so hypocritical it's not even funny,

There's a reason that most people when given the choice between a no-stop and one stop (When both are equally competitive) will choose the one stop... because it's not even a debate that it's more exciting.

The only guys like you are no stopping this race is because your lives clearly revolve around this game and so getting that precious win is more important than actually enjoying a great race.

But either way it is what it is, good chat.
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You should make one pit stop in race B lol.
 
Just did a race B, trying to make it to A+ status...

Finished P2, I'm looking at the results screen and boom, power goes out.

I would have gained 300-400 DR from that race, but because the power outage happened before the race was officially "finished", I end up losing around 1700 DR.

This *****ng game sometimes...
 
GhostCaliber
You and your canadian clone over there are literally trying to argue with me that no stop races (something that is notoriously boring) are more exciting than balls to the wall full on racing...

If that were the case then F1 wouldn't have started introducing tyres that degraded way sooner, forcing more stops to try and make the races more exciting because millions of fans were complaining how stale it had become.

If PD made a change to the C races... and made one stops more competitive by allowing the use of multiple tyre compounds I can guarantee right now 99.9% of people will do a one stop...because the ability to go all out all the time, is far more exciting than cruising around at 80% just so you can get another boring win.
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You should watch motogp then. Exciting as heck and no stops to spoil the fun. Rarely is there a boring race, because they don't have turbulent downforce air to worry about.

Here's the highlights from Assen 2018, but the races tend to be like this more often than not...and they are racing while trying to conserve their tires. They also run a different map in races because of fuel restrictions.



BTW, before dismissing motogp because it's motorcycles, GTSport racing is MOST similar to motogp than any other type of racing. Just watch the highlights and the action will seem VERY familiar. (imho of course)

If driver A is running, let's say in this case, low to mid 1:21's and driver B is also running low to mid 1:21's, why do you believe this is boring if one driver does not stop? And boring to whom? When I know the other driver is not stopping, we sure as heck do race but we have to be smart about it. We can't be mindless morons throwing caution to the wind.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Just so you know, every Race C is run this way. Races with a stop require the same conservation. Maybe not to the same degree, and maybe not in the lower ranks, but it's rare that I ever see a Race C winner be the person who went pedal to the metal, burned everything by stop 1, then did it all over again.

And to your point about the tires, no. If I had the chance to use mediums, I would no stop on mediums instead of the hards. Don't assume the non stoppers couldn't make the tires last. In the races where we are given a choice, you had better believe we try to figure out when it's best to use each compound.

watto79
For what it's worth, I've seen people make a one stop strategy work in Race C.
In general I like that GT Sport mixes up balls to the wall racing and a slower more considered style of racing. That should please everyone, and I'm happy with whatever strategy my fellow racers are using. I've never thought less of someone for using a different strategy to me. That's just plain odd.
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Yep. It's happened in my races as well. Those guys do a very good job of making it work
 
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RacingGrandpa
I did that on Dragon Tail once to get behind and farm S points
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Ha ha, I wasn't doing that. I actually did it to make sure I lost DR points to someone. :odd: I suppose I should have explained my race A pitting. No-stopping is definitely the best way to go. 👍

I made a dumb mistake, which cost another guy several spots, so I stopped to let the entire field go by me. I felt really bad about it, so I wanted to make sure that he at least finished ahead of me. I just decided to take last place, so I found someplace out of the way to park, but when I did, the game threatened to boot me from the race, which is worse than last place. That's when I tried to just ride it out in the pits. :guilty:
 
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Losing/gaining positions in the pit counts as an overtake (-/+ DR)?
 
Kuraudo
Losing/gaining positions in the pit counts as an overtake (-/+ DR)?
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Yes, but racing action does not count toward your score. The only thing that matters is your finishing position.
 
Voodoovaj
Yes, but racing action does not count toward your score. The only thing that matters is your finishing position.
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Thank you, I misunderstood the DR calculating method from yesterday(?) :dunce:. So this is why I gained almost 100 DR although I lost 6 positions in the race (4th > 10th.)
 
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Voodoovaj
Yes, but racing action does not count toward your score. The only thing that matters is your finishing position.
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Follow up question, does qualifying affect my DR? For example qualifying 15th and finishing P2 would grant a lot of points, but would qualifying P2 and finishing P2 award the same or similar amount?

Thanks
 
Muj
Follow up question, does qualifying affect my DR? For example qualifying 15th and finishing P2 would grant a lot of points, but would qualifying P2 and finishing P2 award the same or similar amount?

Thanks
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Yup. Only your finishing position matters for DR. Starting position isn't a factor for DR scoring.
 
It’s not often that I do Race A, but I’ve done a few recently and this one was a lot of fun. First two laps are me catching up and looking for openings after I got caught sleeping at the start. Laps 3 and 4 turn into a nice 3-way fight for the lead. Been having a lot of fun in this new Camaro. Enjoy!

 
sturk0167
I tried to pit at race A yesterday, and it wouldn't let me. It just put me in autodrive and spit me out the other end of pit lane. :lol:
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Drive through penalty? :p

I've been scrolling though many long winded posts of screed going round and around with more monotony than a a Race C at Northern Isle Speedway. To quote Jimmy Richards "Yer a pack of arseholes! " :lol: Time to move on.
 
Is it possible to download someones ghost replay and load it into qualifying time trial for the daily races?
 
Race A's been a lot of fun, even managed a podium despite spending quite a lot of the race sideways, and not always in a good way...

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(ambitious but rubbish overtaking manouvre)

Race B has been quite good too, managed to get 2nd after the 2nd and 3rd placed cars had a running battle through lap 2, after one car cut the other car off. This resulted in a deliberate crash by the other car, and I gained two places as a result. See, even the McLaren was grinning :D

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(look at the size of that grin!)

Race C has been a bit ****, much like the Nations Cup race last night. Switched things up though and went for my go-to FR car, leaving the MR McLaren back in the garage. Managed 9th, after several rams, and a penalty from colliding with someone else's collision - the Toyota in the picture was cut off by the BMW and span out into my path, and the game figured I must have rammed them off the track. I couldn't have avoided hitting them, so I don't see how I should get penalised. I wish there was a way you could report drivers in the replay, rather than guessing who caused the accident in the lobby afterwards.

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Oswald07
Is it possible to download someones ghost replay and load it into qualifying time trial for the daily races?
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Yup. Literally just go into Qualifying for the Daily Race. Once "at the circuit", go to the leaderboard (Top 10 only, not friends, unless your friends are Top 10 :)) select the lap and press Load Ghost.
 
ajmiles
Yup. Literally just go into Qualifying for the Daily Race. Once "at the circuit", go to the leaderboard (Top 10 only, not friends, unless your friends are Top 10 :)) select the lap and press Load Ghost.
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Thanks man!
 
I think I've had more fun on this Daily Race C than I've had in any other daily race for months. It's a shame that a no-stop is 10 seconds quicker than a one-stop and that both can't be competitive, but I can see why it's not easy for them to balance it out. If they'd gone for x6 fuel instead of x5 then the no-stoppers would need to save another ~20% fuel on top of the fuel they're already saving just to get to the end, which would tip the balance firmly in the favour of stopping. What they should add is a Fuel Weight Multiplier that can be anything between 0% (fuel has no weight) and 250% (super heavy fuel) and the ability to choose your fuel load before the race starts. That way the no-stopping cars starting on a full tank are slower than the one-stoppers for the first half of the race and the fuel weight multiplier serves as the lever that Polyphony can dial up and down in order that no-stop and 1-stop are roughly equivalent over a race distance.

It's amazing what a difference it makes when you start to think about where on a lap short shifting has the least cost and when to lift and coast. My qualifying time in the R8 has come down from 1:19.7 to 1:19.2 over the course of the week, but my average lap time in the race in the 911 has come down from 1:23:2 to 1:21:5 - a full 1.7s a lap! I learnt the car/circuit combo on Monday and hit my limit in terms of raw speed pretty quickly, but the improvement in racing fast and efficiently has been massive.

For comparison, when I run the 911 flat-out the car uses 10% of a tank of fuel per lap and I can get a laptime of about 1:20:0 in race trim. But in recent races I've been able to turn in 1:20:8s and use only 6.7% of a tank per lap (which gets you to the end of a 15 lap race). That's 33% less fuel per lap for only a 0.8s lap time deficit! You're not going to be able to convince me that no-stop races have to be boring, not when it's possible to be consistently lapping only a second off a qualifying time that'll put you on pole for most A+/A races!

Here's a 1:20:732 in the middle of a no-stop race:


And here's a 1:20:002 in a one-stop race. The lap time is only 1% slower (0.8s out of 80s) but uses 33% less fuel!
 
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Here’s my 178th win. Great battle with the pole-sitter who was fast but kept making mistakes under pressure. Spent the first couple laps learning where I could squeeze by, then I had to make it stick. Barely made that last apex! Exciting final race of the week for me.

 
Winnie847
Here’s my 178th win. Great battle with the pole-sitter who was fast but kept making mistakes under pressure. Spent the first couple laps learning where I could squeeze by, then I had to make it stick. Barely made that last apex! Exciting final race of the week for me.

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That's the best race I've seen in a while. If anyone had qualified higher than you guys he would have msged you and say push him off, he is slow and will be in the way.
 
Voodoovaj
Yes, but racing action does not count toward your score. The only thing that matters is your finishing position.
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I made up 3 positions, finished 5places higher than my number and still lost DR :boggled: SR on the rise again thankfully though
 
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