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Managed to get together a 1:40.333 (opt 1:39.929) in the M4, let‘s see where this gets me as the first race without setting a lap was quite bad for my rank :D
 
Nuschel01
Managed to get together a 1:40.333 (opt 1:39.929) in the M4, let‘s see where this gets me as the first race without setting a lap was quite bad for my rank :D
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Not a bad time, anything low 1.40's is solid, 1.39's and you're probably starting top 3-5, 1.38's and you're probably pole. (These are DR. S/A lobbies)
 
Figured I'd try a race at Brands Hatch and immediately got disconnected at the start of the race for the first time ever and lost 2000 DR points. Great idea from PD to make server issues cost people points 👍

Edit: LOL and I lost 5 SR points. Yeah, cause that makes total sense. Great work.
 
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UGA95
Figured I'd try a race at Brands Hatch and immediately got disconnected at the start of the race for the first time ever and lost 2000 DR points. Great idea from PD to make server issues cost people points 👍

Edit: LOL and I lost 5 SR points. Yeah, cause that makes total sense. Great work.
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Yeah it's definently a problem. But how do you distinguish between accidental disconnection and purposeful hard shutdowns?
 
John Crellin
Yeah it's definently a problem. But how do you distinguish between accidental disconnection and purposeful hard shutdowns?
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I got the "disconnected from network" pop up so I don't see what would be so hard about making the point system differentiate between that and just exiting the race, because the game obviously recognizes the connectivity issues.

As for hard shutdowns, if people want to go to those lengths every time they have a bad race then so be it I suppose. I'm not really concerned about those people, right now I'm just PO'd at losing 2000 DR and 5 SR for something that was completely out of my hands. I had not even gained control of my car yet.

Stuff like this makes the DR and SR systems lose credibility IMO, and really deters me away from Sport mode. It just seems to be more trouble then it's worth right now, especially with the minuscule payouts.
 
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UGA95
I got the "disconnected from network" pop up so I don't see what would be so hard about making the point system differentiate between that and just exiting the race, because the game obviously recognizes the connectivity issues.

As for hard shutdowns, if people want to go to those lengths every time they have a bad race then so be it I suppose. I'm not really concerned about those people, right now I'm just PO'd at losing 2000 DR and 5 SR for something that was completely out of my hands. I had not even gained control of my car yet.

Stuff like this makes the DR and SR systems lose credibility IMO, and really deters me away from Sport mode. It just seems to be more trouble then it's worth right now, especially with the minuscule payouts.
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It's an imperfect system currently, which is all of GT:Sport - it's the first time they're implementing any of this.
If the game could detect between system crashes/disconnects that were the games fault that would be great, but where do you draw the line?
If you get a power outage should you not get penalized? Or if your internet disconnects?

At the end of the day it's a rating system that you will more than likely regain anyways. The DR/SR systems aren't prizes to be attained - they're meant to be a reflection of you - so if you lose 2000 points unfairly, you should be able to regain them relatively easily.

Infact, if the DR/SR numbers were hidden - you wouldn't care at all, it's only because they are visible that you care.
 
bad_brain_1
You using the M4? Try the TT. I cannot for the life of me get a decent lap with the M4 (OK for race but not hotlap) but as soon as I use the TT - new fastest.

Having said that, driving the TT feels like a visit to an accountant in a 1970s era, brutalist architecture office building.
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I will give it a try shortly, tried the corvette and Veyron for a change but the best I could get was 1:42.9 so back to the M4, don’t really like the FF Gr4s
 
Sean Renon
If you get a power outage should you not get penalized? Or if your internet disconnects?
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Why should internet connections play any role in a DR system that is supposed to reflect a drivers skill level and how they race on the track against other people?

Sean Renon
At the end of the day it's a rating system that you will more than likely regain anyways. The DR/SR systems aren't prizes to be attained - they're meant to be a reflection of you - so if you lose 2000 points unfairly, you should be able to regain them relatively easily.
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How easy or not is to re obtain is irrelevant. What if it happens more than once? What if it happens 2 or 3 times in a single day? Then you're talking 3000-6000 DR points. And FWIW, with as poor as the matchmaking is in the America region it does take S class drivers above the ~60,000 threshold awhile to gain that back because you're rarely matched with more than 2-3 other S class drivers so there is not many points to be gained.

Sean Renon
Infact, if the DR/SR numbers were hidden - you wouldn't care at all, it's only because they are visible that you care.
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No I would still care, because I find it annoying anytime I get ready to race and I get disconnected. The fact that I lose DR and SR as a result just makes it more annoying. Luckily this is the first time I've ever had it happen in Sport mode. And I also think it's silly that the game tracks DR as well as many other statistics in Sport mode but doesn't offer any sort of leaderboard, on top of not being able to see the top 10 daily leaderboards in the other regions.
 
UGA95
Why should internet connections play any role in a DR system that is supposed to reflect a drivers skill level and how they race on the track against other people?



How easy or not is to re obtain is irrelevant. What if it happens more than once? What if it happens 2 or 3 times in a single day? Then you're talking 3000-6000 DR points. And FWIW, with as poor as the matchmaking is in the America region it does take S class drivers above the ~60,000 threshold awhile to gain that back because you're rarely matched with more than 2-3 other S class drivers so there is not many points to be gained.


No I would still care, because I find it annoying anytime I get ready to race and I get disconnected. The fact that I lose DR and SR as a result just makes it more annoying. Luckily this is the first time I've ever had it happen in Sport mode. And I also think it's silly that the game tracks DR as well as many other statistics in Sport mode but doesn't offer any sort of leaderboard, on top of not being able to see the top 10 daily leaderboards in the other regions.
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I feel for you brother. But TBH im actually very surprised this is the first time it happened to you. Happens to me all the time so I understand the frustration.

If there is a way that they can determine the source of the error then by all means i hope they fix this, but until that happens my attitude is that since it is random and happens to everyone, then its an issue that everyone has to work through and just a quirk of the system... Id rather lose those points than have half the grid quit the race immediately after T1. I may have quit more races than I have if this system wasnt so harsh, and that would have been a mistake on my part. I cant tell you the number of times ive been punted to the back and then instead of rage quitting i made up those position I thought were impossible to gain back.

I agree though it is really annoying to get disconnected and have to spend the next 2-4 races making up for lost DR. What a waste of time and a killer when I am trying to get into DR A and cant seem to get above 28k before a disconnection.

on a lighter note, disconnections are not a frequent as they were for me pre- 1.13
 
Brands Hatch race had a strange starting point. Pole sitter starts on the last corner and gets a nice big gap to 2nd.
 
Anyone else getting a notification for maintenance due tomorrow?
 
John Crellin
have to spend the next 2-4 races making up for lost DR.
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Shoot I wish I could do it that quick. I just had a perfect race (set pole, fastest lap, and won the race with a clean race bonus) and got less than 200 DR back. So it's looking like it'll take me a few days to get back what I lost from that 1 disconnection.

Pryor
Anyone else getting a notification for maintenance due tomorrow?
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yeah
 
DriftMethod
Brands Hatch race had a strange starting point. Pole sitter starts on the last corner and gets a nice big gap to 2nd.
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Yep they've moved it back a lot - 3rd place start is bad too! You need to be prepared to gun it while turning, judging the required lock adequately or you will eat grass. Take it easy instead and you have the field up your chuff :D has anybody noticed a large reduction in grip on Brands during the race? It really threw me off to begin with today
 
IAMDOODLEBUG
Yep they've moved it back a lot - 3rd place start is bad too! You need to be prepared to gun it while turning, judging the required lock adequately or you will eat grass. Take it easy instead and you have the field up your chuff :D has anybody noticed a large reduction in grip on Brands during the race? It really threw me off to begin with today
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I thought it felt a bit slippery, but I figured it was because I was driving the Mazda LM55 at Interlagos before that. Although, times from qualifying to race were pretty consistent.
 
mk1xr2
@Nuschel01 you don't hang around
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What do you mean exactly? :lol:

Did 3 races after setting a Q time. 1st with the M4, saw @bmxmitch but never actually raced him as he was a bit behind me and came 5th iirc. Then tried out the Genesis which doesn‘t stand a chance against the TTs and M4s as I realized in the first lap and as I additionally binned the car in L2 I ended up being 10th and fought my way back to 6th or 7th. 3rd race was with the Viper, ended up at P3 but as P2 had a penalty the final result saw me in P2 👍
1249Pts. until SR:S :scared:
 
mk1xr2
I mean you are a lot quicker then me 👍
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Today I was just lucky with figuring out how to approach the track :D there are days were I suck bad time at racing :lol:
Looking forward to see you again and then maybe be placed closer in the grid :gtpflag:
 
UGA95
Shoot I wish I could do it that quick. I just had a perfect race (set pole, fastest lap, and won the race with a clean race bonus) and got less than 200 DR back. So it's looking like it'll take me a few days to get back what I lost from that 1 disconnection.
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I know what you are talking about because I have been getting matched with what seems like DR-S more often, Iv been matched against you a few times, when I myself am DR-B. So this plays heavily into you not making ground.
 
Nuschel01
What do you mean exactly? :lol:

Did 3 races after setting a Q time. 1st with the M4, saw @bmxmitch but never actually raced him as he was a bit behind me and came 5th iirc. Then tried out the Genesis which doesn‘t stand a chance against the TTs and M4s as I realized in the first lap and as I additionally binned the car in L2 I ended up being 10th and fought my way back to 6th or 7th. 3rd race was with the Viper, ended up at P3 but as P2 had a penalty the final result saw me in P2 👍
1249Pts. until SR:S :scared:
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Are you doing a 1 stop for race c? I'm just about to start mine in my trusty 458 :)
 
How do you guys see the actual points on the DR and SR?
 
And just to pile up on the SR complaining, I went from S to B in one race because someone rammed me from behind. Got the SR penalty AND 10s penalty. Very, very happy with the new system... #not
 
UGA95
Why should internet connections play any role in a DR system that is supposed to reflect a drivers skill level and how they race on the track against other people?
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Because if you are having a bad race but don't want to lose DR you could just unplug your internet - game can't distinguish between accidents and intentional. Every other competitive online game is just like this, why should GT:Sport be any different?

UGA95
How easy or not is to re obtain is irrelevant. What if it happens more than once? What if it happens 2 or 3 times in a single day? Then you're talking 3000-6000 DR points. And FWIW, with as poor as the matchmaking is in the America region it does take S class drivers above the ~60,000 threshold awhile to gain that back because you're rarely matched with more than 2-3 other S class drivers so there is not many points to be gained.
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I have zero sympathy here, people at the top end of any ELO or other forms of rating scale always have a hard time gaining rating, it's simply the nature of the beast.

UGA95
No I would still care, because I find it annoying anytime I get ready to race and I get disconnected. The fact that I lose DR and SR as a result just makes it more annoying. Luckily this is the first time I've ever had it happen in Sport mode. And I also think it's silly that the game tracks DR as well as many other statistics in Sport mode but doesn't offer any sort of leaderboard, on top of not being able to see the top 10 daily leaderboards in the other regions.
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So you care about the game disconnecting you? Cool, most of us do, it's inconvenient and yes annoying, but your original post was specifically complaining about how losing DR/SR when you disconnect takes away from the DR/SR system - which is what I was responding to.

Disconnects happen, it's online gaming, unfortunately the entire race isn't going to pause and wait for you to return, just suck it up and move on - the world isn't perfect.
 
Mr616
Are you doing a 1 stop for race c? I'm just about to start mine in my trusty 458 :)
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Yes, I usually pit mid race. In the race with the Genesis I pitted in Lap 4 to make an undercut which worked out pretty good as I was able to manage my tires for the last 6 laps of the race quite good :)
 
Sean Renon
Because if you are having a bad race but don't want to lose DR you could just unplug your internet - game can't distinguish between accidents and intentional. Every other competitive online game is just like this, why should GT:Sport be any different?
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Like I said if someone wants to go as far as to unplug their internet every time they have a bad race then so be it. The people trying to play the game fairly shouldn't be penalized because of a few bad apples.

At the very least the penalty for disconnecting needs to be minimized, because it currently treats it as you finishing dead last in the race (at least that's what I'm assuming) and you even lose SR, which is hilarious. Honestly though the entire DR system needs a rework because finishing last as a S class shouldn't even cost you that many points.


Sean Renon
I have zero sympathy here, people at the top end of any ELO or other forms of rating scale always have a hard time gaining rating, it's simply the nature of the beast.
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At my current rating it literally takes me 8-12 perfect races to gain 2000 DR depending on who I get matched up with. And that's if I don't run into any wrecking balls along the way. I can't believe you or anyone else doesn't see a problem with 1 disconnect potentially wiping away multiple days worth of work (which is what it did to me). If I lost 200 DR then it wouldn't even be a big deal, but 2000 DR is absolutely ridiculous. Ask any other person in the America region above 60,000 DR about trying to gain DR right now and how frustrating it is that 1 punt into a corner from behind or 1 disconnect can take away up to 10x the DR points you gain from winning a single race. It's not "the nature of the beast" it's an incredibly unbalanced system that is currently penalizing S class drivers more than any other class.


Sean Renon
Disconnects happen, it's online gaming, unfortunately the entire race isn't going to pause and wait for you to return, just suck it up and move on - the world isn't perfect.
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Take the life lessons elsewhere. Just because you don't care doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't.
 
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ThePhantomAli
Would love to know how to lose a whole second and a half, feel like I’m absolutely punishing the car coming out of turns, every once in a while I get a glimpse of my ghost in the rear view where I’ve cornered better but he always gets me in the end, pesky bastard
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A lot of time can be gained on the two wide left handers. Ideally on the first left hander you wanna half brake at the 50 marker and trail brake into the inside of the turn. I let go of the brakes at 150-155km/h. The hard part though is when to floor it. Honestly I don't have any markers at when I floor it, but I know I did it correctly when the car fans out wide to the outside curbs at ~180km/h
At the flat out esses steering rythm is important. Get it right and you're 3-5km/h faster than usual. I turn in early at the esses (halfway through the curbing each turn), so that's another 1/10ths cut
The second left hander I half brake in between the 50 marker and the end of the curbing on the outside, and ideally when I stop braking I'm at the middle of the track (I don't have markers again at when to stop braking, sorry). Also, when you stop braking at that turn, you immediately floor the gas. The turn would suck you in then spit you out at the exit, preferrably at 190-200km/h

To be fair with you though, that 1:40.5 was a bit lucky because I was able to connect all those turns for a whole lap within 15 minutes. It's not unusual for me to spend over an hour in qualifying at that track because I usually get either first or second left hander wrong. Good luck and I hope this helps :cheers:
 
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