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I actually went in to work today.:eek: So I didn't get to look at the new races until this evening. I wasn't happy to see the porsche again...not a fan, but the Mazda at Tokyo should be a good combo for me. I got in for practice/Q, and had to relearn the track. I almost didn't recognize it with that lighting. After a couple really bad laps, I started dropping my time. I decided that the first lap that wasn't faster than the previous, I would quit, and load the top ghost to chase. Lasted about 5 laps, around the 2 minute mark. Once I started chasing I got into a groove, and ended up doing maybe 60-70 laps. I may be chasing 57's, and a top 10 this week. I put up a 1:58.3, with my best optimum a 57.7xx. I watched replays of the top 5 in the Americas, and my first 2 sectors will get me in the top 10 easy. That 3rd sector, though... I've done 1:19.3 a few times, and 1:19.4 a bunch for the first 2 sectors, but that chicane is killing me. I may have to go to circuit experience and work on it, because unless the times come down a lot, this msy be my best chance to get on that darn list! I just need to see the line and carry some speed...somehow. On a lighter note, once I did half a mid-air barrel roll before I reset, when I caught the second sausage in that thing!:banghead:
 
Race C at Monza is a mass of divebombing $*^(*^%^£^ drivers! I've been trying to get back to B/S from C/B and have ended up C/D!!!!🤬🤬

Now made it to C/C, but only after coping with a rammer at the first chicane, a weaving blocker and an idiot who came out of the pits and swerved over to block me!:dunce: And most of those idiots have well over 100 days of experience.
 
pennanton
I like NASCAR but I don't know about that. An overweight and past it Montoya ran competitively on the ovals and so did Marcos Ambrose relatively with no prior experience to my knowledge, and without high level equipment. He did go on to destroy at road courses though.

I'd contend drivers from disciplines that have both left and right turns have a better chance at being competitive in NASCAR than NASCAR drivers do in turn.
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Ambrose did well on the Nascar road courses. Montoya didn't do quite as well.
Marcos Ambrose won 2 out of the 227 Nascar races that he entered, both of which were at the Watkins Glen Road Course.
He didn't win any races on those easy, boring left turn ovals.
It is a different kind of racing, but it does take a lot of ability.
 
Redneckchef
They both got better, but it took a couple of years for both to get up to speed on the ovals. Ambrose wasn't coming from a massively different background so his success on the road courses was not a surprise. Both also did well on the short tracks as those take the same type of style that makes you fast on the road courses. At least that's what all the drivers say.

I don't think nascar drivers would switch disciplines well at all either. It takes time to adapt to switching equipment and learning the different nuances. It just means it isn't always as easy as it may look. Also doesnt help that they are often older. But they tend to do well moonlighting in sports car series and things like Daytona 24 hours, so I wouldn't discount their skill.

I also think Nascar needs more road courses in the top series. Watching them rip it up around Watkins Glen is always good.
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I don't think NASCAR drivers are awful by any means and what you mentioned is correct, some drivers do have a certain crossover of skills towards road course racing like Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch. At the same time I don't think someone that hasn't been in stock car racing most of their career will be able to fine tune their skills to actually become a serious championship contender. I do definitely agree about more road courses in the schedule, I love the biff and barge of them and its a nice relief from all the etiquette of F1 for example.

sturk0167
Ambrose did well on the Nascar road courses. Montoya didn't do quite as well.
Marcos Ambrose won 2 out of the 227 Nascar races that he entered, both of which were at the Watkins Glen Road Course.
He didn't win any races on those easy, boring left turn ovals.
It is a different kind of racing, but it does take a lot of ability.
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Yes Ambrose's wins did come on on road courses but also had 15 top 5's and 46 top tens over the course of his career, which proves my point that a driver with no prior experience can enter NASCAR and be competitive. Montoya did even better: 2 Wins, 24 T5 and 59 T10s. These sorts of drivers possibly won't be true contenders, as I mentioned above, but I can't see that being the same for a pure stock car driver doing the same in a road course series.
 
pennanton
some drivers do have a certain crossover of skills towards road course racing like Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch.
Yes Ambrose's wins did come on on road courses but also had 15 top 5's and 46 top tens over the course of his career, which proves my point that a driver with no prior experience can enter NASCAR and be competitive. Montoya did even better: 2 Wins, 24 T5 and 59 T10s. These sorts of drivers possibly won't be true contenders, as I mentioned above, but I can't see that being the same for a pure stock car driver doing the same in a road course series.
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Between the top two series in NASCAR 1/3 to half can and do race other things than “stock”cars.
 
Where are you guys finding the tipping point at monza? I guess question is, is the 6th lap on mediums faster than the 5th in hards?

I am Really hard on the tyres and went 4 and 6. I start on hard s the first two laps are sort of wasted and as the field gaps one can lap in free air on the faster rubber.
 
NevilleNobody
Where are you guys finding the tipping point at monza? I guess question is, is the 6th lap on mediums faster than the 5th in hards?

I am Really hard on the tyres and went 4 and 6. I start on hard s the first two laps are sort of wasted and as the field gaps one can lap in free air on the faster rubber.
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I don't know
Depends on the car and your driving. I was hard on my fronts in my lexus so I was either 5 and 5 or 6M and 4H. Depends on whether I got punted a bunch at the start. Too many punts and I was struggling for 5 on RM, but a fairly clean run where the only hits were straight ahead and I was still solid at 6 laps.

As I said though, I am not great at saving tires, others are getting 8 laps on the medium.
 
NevilleNobody
Where are you guys finding the tipping point at monza? I guess question is, is the 6th lap on mediums faster than the 5th in hards?

I am Really hard on the tyres and went 4 and 6. I start on hard s the first two laps are sort of wasted and as the field gaps one can lap in free air on the faster rubber.
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I think you'll do better to pit with the driver in front of you than to micro-optimize hard vs. medium. Losing the slipstream is worth more than the difference between the compounds.
 
NevilleNobody
Where are you guys finding the tipping point at monza? I guess question is, is the 6th lap on mediums faster than the 5th in hards?

I am Really hard on the tyres and went 4 and 6. I start on hard s the first two laps are sort of wasted and as the field gaps one can lap in free air on the faster rubber.
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I take it that you have to use both?
 
Is it just me or is the track penalty after the chicane at Toyko Express South Outer unnecessary? I feel like if you run wide enough to gain a significant advantage you would just crash anyways.
 
Just jumped into Race B with no practice or qualifying. Started 15th, finished 6th. Not terrible but could probably do better.

Edit: Race 2, still no qualifying time, started P10 finished P3.
 
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First race C of the week. Starts p8 with door number 20. All B lobby.
T1, L1 is totally clean, no one even rubs. I move up to 4.
Second chikane I get a good run out, entering Lesmo I am 3th.
Back straight towards Askari Imove to second.
Pulls a 7 second gap, move to P1 as the pole sitter pits.
He jumps me when I pit l8, I come out second with a 5 seconds gap to third.
Third closeś it to 3,6 at the end, due to having mediums while I am on hards now.
In the end I am very pleased with this.
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R1600Turbo
Just jumped into Race B with no practice or qualifying. Started 15th, finished 6th. Not terrible but could probably do better.

Edit: Race 2, still no qualifying time, started P10 finished P3.
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Race 3 didn't count. :p

Race 4 (this time with a 7:37.xxx qualifying time) started P1 and walked away to finish P1, 7 seconds ahead. For some reason the lobbies I am joining tonight are all A/B and even some C rank. I am A+, and usually the only A+ in there so not sure what is going on.

Really enjoying this combo.
 
For Monza if you’re starting from the back, can you enter the pits just as the race starts? (And would it count?)
 
TeddyWestside
Race C at Monza is a mass of divebombing $*^(*^%^£^ drivers! I've been trying to get back to B/S from C/B and have ended up C/D!!!!🤬🤬

Now made it to C/C, but only after coping with a rammer at the first chicane, a weaving blocker and an idiot who came out of the pits and swerved over to block me!:dunce: And most of those idiots have well over 100 days of experience.
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good to race with you earlier Teddy, I was in the only clean race you said that you raced in.
 
Granadier
It doesn’t have the best reputation within the US either outside of their fanbase. It has a looooong history of racism.
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Not surprising with all the series teams, drivers, fans and big races all being in the deep south, it's a southern championship and always will be.
 
Adam Barber
Not surprising with all the series teams, drivers, fans and big races all being in the deep south, it's a southern championship and always will be.
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C'mon guys, at least I can say Larson has no excuse, he's a half Asian guy from California.
 
Ended the night with a good battle with a guy that still managed to be quick even while being all over the place. He ran wide coming onto the Dottinger Hohe and I was able to sneak past easily. Thankfully was able to keep him behind to the finish with a couple mistakes in the last couple corners.

 
Carrera1963
For Monza if you’re starting from the back, can you enter the pits just as the race starts? (And would it count?)
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I first tried that at Sardegna(Gr.3 Race B). It was my, Start from Pit Lane Challenge. I did pretty good with that "strategy". ;)
 
game has been out for more than two years , everybody know that any race involving monza will be a punt -get out of my way- fest , yet you still seem surprised about that? :banghead:

Thats why i never approach this track with a ten foot pole
 
I had a super clean race there earlier today. Not a single incident in the T1, L1 or T2, L1
After that I was alone so I don´t know for sure
 
djidane57
game has been out for more than two years , everybody know that any race involving monza will be a punt -get out of my way- fest , yet you still seem surprised about that? :banghead:

Thats why i never approach this track with a ten foot pole
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Sorry but I’ve not been playing online for the past 2 years... plus the penalty system seems worse than when I started online - I don’t expect to be punted & get a penalty!
 
Carrera1963
Sorry but I’ve not been playing online for the past 2 years... plus the penalty system seems worse than when I started online - I don’t expect to be punted & get a penalty!
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Totally agree - I am a poor driver (mid D/S). From my limited sample the current version of the penalty system is punishing me when someone punts me off the track. I did try an experiment on one race a couple of weeks ago the I deliberately ran into the back of someone else at Interlagos (so I knew I was totally at fault) and sure enough they went of the track and got the penalty (sorry whoever it was!).
 
It's always the people in lobbies with terrible liveries eg: all chrome/ fluorescent, energy drink sponsors or just have random decals everywhere that are the dirty drivers, never anyone with an actual nice livery. Heads up for ya.
 
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