"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[ASH32]

I am not a quick player (currently C rated and probably only a matter of time before I head back to D!) using a wheel. Is it just me being slow or do players on a controller have an advantage given to them by the game?

Last night following drivers through the a number of corners on the group C race I was surprised they stayed on the track given the speed and twitchiness of their racing lines. Not complaining because I want races where I am at a similar speed to other drivers.

Advantage, No, in-built assistance in GT Sport, Yes. So at that level it's possible the DS4 has an advantage because it's more forgiving with bad driving so probably faster (not fast), whereas do those things, slam on the brakes or throttle/move around a lot (some of this is exaggerated due to lag and with any pad user), with a wheel and you are going to crash sooner rather than later, not to mention drive a lot slower too.

Easiest solution to all the above is to get faster, if you get to Dr A/A+ and these pad drivers are still beating you (and some can and will) at least you know it is because they are proper skilled drivers and not just some average driver.

Man, some people are unbelieveble... Was doing C, I tapped some german guy that he spins, I stopped and waited for him, also got 1s penalty... When we were just before penalty zone he lifted and turn on me so I go off track... After race I asked him why? He said: I dont trust you... And I thinking whats in his mind? If I were dirty I wouldnt stop and wait for him... Of course it was my fault, but why?

They probably thought you were waiting for them just to punt them off again, a number of players do this, see @DoctorNuu video from earlier and if you were going to do this, right at the penalty zone would be just the spot. Not that this excuses their behaviour only explains it. In future don't wait (even though it is the correct/polite thing to do) unless you know the driver because it'll end in the above or "revenge" more often than not.

 

[x5abotagex86]

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The main reason for trouble is their more "digital" driving style of full throttle, full brake combined with impatience and a more direct/straight line into the corner.
It's always the same pattern: I take a wide, smooth entry, not expecting a dive from 0.5sec back. They head straight into the gap. I wonder what their thinking is. Do they think I make a mistake by going wide? Do they just think this is the way to overtake?

I think they probably see you going wide as and opportunity to lunge/overtake, as you said and an inexperienced driver may not understand all the risk that are really coming with it.

As one of the more inexperienced/controller players myself, I think people do a few things I do - that can easily lead to issues;

Coming down fast straights into slow corners - many times I’ll take a line outside or inside of the car I front of me. ONLY because I might brake to late/brake less/downshift wrong/different.

If an inexperienced player does this AND doesn’t brake/corner we’ll on the moment, it could easily look to anyone as a bad overtake attempt. Especially if they are driving a line through a corner they’re not comfortable with.

I know I’ve done this several times in my career 8(.

9 times out of 10 I’ll just brake early and play extra safe, and take the corner much smoother than the front car without increasing the gap. But if the front car doesn’t take the corner well you have to react well. And this might be intimidating for many inexperienced players.

edit- meant to add that turn 1 in race C this week is a good example of this situation for me.
Flying down the long straight into this turn, behind someone is scary, especially late race with tire wear, and people braking earlier.
The last thing here I want to do is punt someone because I braked early.. but not early enough!

 

[DoctorNuu]

It's impressive what a good practice day and a good night's sleep can do.

After declaring the GTR and NSX as undriveable at Autopolis, I put in ~10 races with the Lexus.
Now that I've found the smooth line, I have no problem consistently replicating it in both.
They are not twitchy at all if you don't overdrive them. At least in quali. Lap 12 is a different story.

 

[DanSHW]

I'll have a test on a custom race, but I don't think 6x fuel usage and 5x tyre wear is going to require a pit stop, not sure why they've suddenly decided to get rid of strategy from Race C. Good to see Sardegna being used for Gr1, don't think we've had that combo before?

 

[x5abotagex86]

It's impressive what a good practice day and a good night's sleep can do.

After declaring the GTR and NSX as undriveable at Autopolis, I put in ~10 races with the Lexus.
Now that I've found the smooth line, I have no problem consistently replicating it in both.
They are not twitchy at all if you don't overdrive them. At least in quali. Lap 12 is a different story.

Great keep it up! Lol gives me hope!

rough few days of racing for me - Maxed SR but nose dive in DR (which I usually don’t pay too much attention to my DR ups n downs).

I’ve lost a lot of spots from being a little too passive + some really dumb spins...

 

[RacingGrandpa]

The main reason for trouble is their more "digital" driving style of full throttle, full brake combined with impatience and a more direct/straight line into the corner.

This yes. But this is not all control users, it's just the major influx of new players because of lockdown. Many very young too.
I am 56, drive with a ds4 and are definitely not digital with my gas and brake. That is what the analog triggers are for.

 

[The_Tullster]

Last night following drivers through the a number of corners on the group C race I was surprised they stayed on the track given the speed and twitchiness of their racing lines.

Some of that twitchiness is not their driving, it's network lag or jitter. Even on a fast, low ping connection you can see twitchiness in other cars due to uneven data transfer rates on their connection or on yours.

 

[pringaling]

Thought it was a bit of a funny sight to be in between a swarm of RCZs. Get taken out at the end.

With the below one I wouldn’t mind some feedback on whether you thought this was fair racing at the start, or too aggressive. I do get taken out again - might have been too slow around the corner? Although I think the Suby driver would have been pretty frustrated with the unfair penalty they got after we made contact earlier on.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Some of that twitchiness is not their driving, it's network lag or jitter. Even on a fast, low ping connection you can see twitchiness in other cars due to uneven data transfer rates on their connection or on yours.

Yeah, I used to watch replays and wonder how these guys can be so fast when they are twitchy, but between lag and a slower refresh rate for the recorded replay (compared to the game itself... the recording is not at the same fidelity as the game plays, I think), it only appears that people are 'digital' or twitchy. In reality they are likely much smoother.

Thought it was a bit of a funny sight to be in between a swarm of RCZs. Get taken out at the end.

With the below one I wouldn’t mind some feedback on whether you thought this was fair racing at the start, or too aggressive. I do get taken out again - might have been too slow around the corner? Although I think the Suby driver would have been pretty frustrated with the unfair penalty they got after we made contact earlier on.

Hard to tell from the replay angle, but 1) given a 4-lap sprint of a Daily Race, where you have to move fast at the start, and 2) any contact with the Subaru was more him being surprised you were inside, but not that you came up off the apex once you were in there, seemed like just good hard racing on your part. He should not have dive-bombed you on the hairpin later, that was the kind of stuff a lot of us discourage, even if you think you had a point, it doesn't do any good. And yeah, PD shouldn't give the guy on the outside that penalty, because a) the contact usually isn't the outside guy's fault (though it was likely more his than yours in this example) and b) it doesn't result in an advantage for the penalized player, so why hit him with the penalty?

My old HS basketball coach used to always yell at the refs: 'what was the advantage?' when a foul was called, because for it to be a foul, the offender is supposed to have gained an unreasonable or unsporting advantage, thus the penalty. Should be the same criteria for GT Sport: if there wasn't an advantage gained, why penalize someone?

 

[Pigems]

I’m more of a penalize the act, not the outcome type of person. Even if no advantage was gained, something was still done wrong and it should be penalized. I hate when penalties are given based on outcome, two people can do the exact same thing and only one gets the penalty, what’s fair about that? It just leads to grey areas and indecision by officials.

 

[LVS_1986]

Is anybody planning to do some training for next week race C? Or tomorrow FIA? Im tired of beign pushed off track in 1st lap and then chasing the pack at Autopolis Also everybody welcome to add me on psn, nick is the same as here

 

[KosmoKazi]

I’m more of a penalize the act, not the outcome type of person. Even if no advantage was gained, something was still done wrong and it should be penalized. I hate when penalties are given based on outcome, two people can do the exact same thing and only one gets the penalty, what’s fair about that? It just leads to grey areas and indecision by officials.

I think that's where the SR reductions come into play: I would agree that a guy who makes a lot of contact should have an SR score that indicates that... but if in a race, no advantage was gained by the contact, I don't like that GTS applies the penalty. The Daily Races are too short and to ruin a race with a time penalty when you didn't benefit in the competition aspect, doesn't make sense. There is a 'sporting' side and a 'competition' side to all of the penalties.

 

[Pigems]

Is anybody planning to do some training for next week race C? Or tomorrow FIA? Im tired of beign pushed off track in 1st lap and then chasing the pack at Autopolis Also everybody welcome to add me on psn, nick is the same as here

Come race with us tonight, we do all 3 dailies twice and then a few fun bonus races. It’s always clean and friendly racing, and we just race for fun.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...s-fridays-9pm-est-all-drivers-welcome.386718/

I think that's where the SR reductions come into play: I would agree that a guy who makes a lot of contact should have an SR score that indicates that... but if in a race, no advantage was gained by the contact, I don't like that GTS applies the penalty. The Daily Races are too short and to ruin a race with a time penalty when you didn't benefit in the competition aspect, doesn't make sense. There is a 'sporting' side and a 'competition' side to all of the penalties.

GT Sport clearly indicates that it’s a “non contact” sport, therefore one, should expect that “all” contact will be penalized. 👍

 

[LVS_1986]

Come race with us tonight, we do all 3 dailies twice and then a few fun bonus races. It’s always clean and friendly racing, and we just race for fun.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...s-fridays-9pm-est-all-drivers-welcome.386718/




GT Sport clearly indicates that it’s a “non contact” sport, therefore one, should expect that “all” contact will be penalized. 👍

Thanks for invite mister So I got to "service" wife
Stupid question: how do I find your lobby

 

[DoctorNuu]

Great keep it up! Lol gives me hope!

DR still going down. Still no clean race in sight.
Just raced an Arab guy for 6th, He was ~1sec ahead of me for a very long time.
Lap 11 and I'm already thinking of complimenting for a good/close/clean race.
Going into final lap, he makes a mistake, I pass on straight, and things get dirty the very second I pass.

Also, finally I was enlightened that my wide quali line through the hairpin is the worst idea ever. Like ... oops, almost said something about gaps, carrots, and wifeys. No idea where that came from.
Still too slow out of hairpin(s) Losing ~0.3 every time to TCS.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Thanks for invite mister So I got to "service" wife
Stupid question: how do I find your lobby

Send a friend request to Pigems, go into lobbies, choose region all, friends only. The server is called DRWF or Daily Racing With Friends

 

[MIE1992]

I can't believe that in a recent race at Race A, I actually qualified one position ahead of @BenRod! Looks like my time is within the top 150 for my region, as well!

 

[DoctorNuu]

I can't believe that in a recent race at Race A, I actually qualified one position ahead of @BenRod! Looks like my time is within the top 150 for my region, as well!

As I heard, he had issues with his inner rod.

 

[larrybr07n]

but if in a race, no advantage was gained by the contact, I don't like that GTS applies the penalty

Agree to disagree on this one.

If someone (deliberately) hits me and by some miracle I manage to keep the car in place and they don't gain the position, they shouldn't get a penalty? That's not the way it works IRL.

I would rather prefer we both get penalty so at least we don't teach people that it's fine to drive bad, racing the AI already does that pretty well.

 

[x5abotagex86]

DR still going down. Still no clean race in sight.
Just raced an Arab guy for 6th, He was ~1sec ahead of me for a very long time.
Lap 11 and I'm already thinking of complimenting for a good/close/clean race.
Going into final lap, he makes a mistake, I pass on straight, and things get dirty the very second I pass.

Also, finally I was enlightened that my wide quali line through the hairpin is the worst idea ever. Like ... oops, almost said something about gaps, carrots, and wifeys. No idea where that came from.
Still too slow out of hairpin(s) Losing ~0.3 every time to TCS.

Had some struggles with the whole first section there more than other parts f the track, got it mostly figured out, at least for me.

that first hairpin I personally been staying tight all the way, rolling into it in 2nd gear, down to 1st with VERY slight throttle until I’m straight (with 1-2 TCS depending on my warm up lol)

Still loosing alittle time myself there

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Agree to disagree on this one.

If someone (deliberately) hits me and by some miracle I manage to keep the car in place and they don't gain the position, they shouldn't get a penalty? That's not the way it works IRL.

I would rather prefer we both get penalty so at least we don't teach people that it's fine to drive bad, racing the AI already does that pretty well.

That is the way FIA wants it. Penalty only on advantage, even on track limits.

 

[DoctorNuu]

First clean race out of 20!!! Almost!

• Good battle for P4, I make a mistake into hairpin 2, P4 makes a bigger one going out.
• Two controller-sharks smell the bait and start swarming!
• This time I make sure to stay tight into hairpin 1

There was, however, a gap!

 

[05XR8]

Did one race A and C, no qualy. Always gotta test the waters.

Race A. 8th to 4th.
So silly to watch players take someone out, all race long, with dives up the inside. Was able to pull away from one such player and ran alone from Lap 2.

Race B. Dead last to 7th to 12th.
No nastiness, just players going off.

A player at the front in a GT-R, went off and I passed through it. It was trying to get the spot back and move up(Lap 4), but the RC F was so fresh on its tyres.

Three cars(GT-R, RC F, GT-R) battling ahead(for 4th place), I kept my distance and still had a nice 3 second gap to the cars behind. RC F was struggling. I could see the front GT-R was pulling away. The GT-R behind the RC F was being patient, but the RC F was too slow and loose.
We're beginning Lap 10 and starting to lose time. GT-R passes the RC F after the double left-hander after T1. That RC F goes way wide. I'm coming under to pass and it cuts back down(just hold the line and take the wide line, which would mean it's on the inside for the long left coming up ). We make contact. It's losing traction and ghosting to a spin. I pull over, the cars behind catch up and pass. The RC F disappears. Me thinking it quit, I get back up to speed. It was reset further back(that's messed up).

I see it's losing so much time behind, I head to the pits and change tyres, to let it get ahead.

I come out behind and I'll hold station from Lap 11-13. It's only fair.
We get to that same hairpin after the double left. It goes straight off! Not even negotiating the turn. I'm thinking, what a waste. It winds up finishing near last.

It was an A/S room and how that player qualified up the front, I don't know. I guess running the Red Bull Lexus Keeper livery doesn't mean much.

Anyway, I post the "I'm sorry.". My first, in years.

 

[Shayden_CPT]

Hi all , I've got a question . Today in race B I was pitted against 12 A ranked drivers, and 3 D ranked. I am D ranked as well. So how did this happen? It was us D ranks battling it out , with the A ranks no where in sight . Just curious , because the 2nd time I tried , there was A and B in the top 12. Then the rest were D ranked .

 

[NSP525]

Hi all , I've got a question . Today in race B I was pitted against 12 A ranked drivers, and 3 D ranked. I am D ranked as well. So how did this happen? It was us D ranks battling it out , with the A ranks no where in sight . Just curious , because the 2nd time I tried , there was A and B in the top 12. Then the rest were D ranked .

Your DR is probably rising so you start getting put in quicker lobbies sometimes, could just be what's available at that time also.

 

[DoctorNuu]

If the SR is around 80-90, maybe also lower, there are often not enough players in one DR to fill a race, so it gets mixed.
For SR=99 there are a lot.
For me this effect almost always occurs after one SR down race (from 99).

 

[Shayden_CPT]

Your DR is probably rising so you start getting put in quicker lobbies sometimes, could just be what's available at that time also.

Thank you for the reply. Makes sense then

If the SR is around 80-90, maybe also lower, there are often not enough players in one DR to fill a race, so it gets mixed.
For SR=99 there are a lot.
For me this effect almost always occurs after one SR down race (from 99).

Will keep this in mind

 

[Skipflap]

Hi all , I've got a question . Today in race B I was pitted against 12 A ranked drivers, and 3 D ranked. I am D ranked as well. So how did this happen? It was us D ranks battling it out , with the A ranks no where in sight . Just curious , because the 2nd time I tried , there was A and B in the top 12. Then the rest were D ranked .

I feel your pain. Im was 28K DR 99SR and my race C lobbies are half full of A+ and SS keep starting way back like 13th on the bend. Made it to tenth in one race thats about it. I get that to brake the A ranking threshold i have to conistatly improve and finished min in the top half but im always in lobbies where my door number is around 15. Or my QT 1.37.9 i guess is just not good enough.

 

[Mert160]

Next week's races are up!

Goodwood for N100 - a selection of cars it seems!
Dragon Trail Gardens - Gr 3
Sardenga A - Gr 1

Just ugh! The Goodwood race might be ok but if it's Corolla wars again then I'm out.

Good, no Gr4 race. The RCZ spec races are getting boring.

 

[NSP525]

I feel your pain. Im was 28K DR 99SR and my race C lobbies are half full of A+ and SS keep starting way back like 13th on the bend. Made it to tenth in one race thats about it. I get that to brake the A ranking threshold i have to conistatly improve and finished min in the top half but im always in lobbies where my door number is around 15. Or my QT 1.37.9 i guess is just not good enough.

As long as your getting your door position or better your DR will climb. It may not feel like it but your probably slowly getting quicker and consistent, the matchmaking does a good job of constantly giving you a challenge, the better you perform the better your matched opponents will be.