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this was all my fault!!!??

I mean you chose to try to squeeze him off way wide when you had total control of the entry to the uphill esses.
Had you entered tight and fast you would have shaken him instead you tried to squeeze him out. Then after he got along side you should have backed off but didn’t. He did hit you and you were prolly angry I get that, but that was poor all around.



nly problem is the tight right in sector 1

Depending on the way the racers around you are that can be problematic. People ride the bumper and also don’t brake enough on entry there, pretty sure a lot of what happens there is inexperienced drivers unable to prioritize getting drive up the hill. With better racers it’s no problem, so depends on who you are up against. Same with any track tho imo.
I’m seriously loving the new penalty setup.
I’ve not noticed some perpetual problem drivers in my lobbies anymore, and people are fearful of sr downs.
Overtakes now are much better because neither wants contact penalties.
There’s not been diving and barging that I’ve seen either.
People cry about getting sr down, but the alternative is far worse imo.
Fuji is not worth being called a racetrack. They should put a shopping mall over it. Maybe an Amazon and Walmart and some auto dealerships because it’s horrid.
Fuji is a dishonest design. A great track like say Brands isn’t trying to trick you it says here I am do you have what it takes.
Fuji says I’m trying to trick you.
 
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I mean you chose to try to squeeze him off way wide when you had total control of the entry to the uphill esses.
Had you entered tight and fast you would have shaken him instead you tried to squeeze him out. Then after he got along side you should have backed off but didn’t. He did hit you and you were prolly angry I get that, but that was poor all around.

Yes, but he was only pulling level with me after bumping into my rear quarter on the right hander before the uphill section which made me slide wide and scrubbed speed. At that point he should have backed off slightly. If I ever bump someone and force them wide, I don't take advantage of it, I'd always ease off a little.
 
Depending on the way the racers around you are that can be problematic. People ride the bumper and also don’t brake enough on entry there, pretty sure a lot of what happens there is inexperienced drivers unable to prioritize getting drive up the hill. With better racers it’s no problem, so depends on who you are up against. Same with any track tho imo.
I’m seriously loving the new penalty setup.
I’ve not noticed some perpetual problem drivers in my lobbies anymore, and people are fearful of sr downs.
Overtakes now are much better because neither wants contact penalties.

I agree, lots of folks don't realise they need to brake early there and the penalty system did seem to work at NGP.
 
At that point he should have backed off slightly. If I ever bump someone and force them wide, I don't take advantage of it, I'd always ease off a little.

True, definitely, if there’s one thing I’ve learned about racecraft though it’s that it’s about CONTROL. Control of track position I mean.
I get it you’re mad there, maybe seeing red. I know what it’s like lol.
But racing is about control. Controlling what your opponent can do, it’s why overtaking is what it is...If someone is side by side at the turn in point of a normal turn, if you’re outside and don’t yield you are now putting your race control in their hands, in your case there, he was able to control you by getting to your emotions.
You had the chance to get ahead of him but didnt and paid the price for rolling in the mud with a pig.
Like if he was really bad you could have lifted and then just punted him into the wall at the bottom of the hill and carried on lol.
 
True, definitely, if there’s one thing I’ve learned about racecraft though it’s that it’s about CONTROL. Control of track position I mean.
I get it you’re mad there, maybe seeing red. I know what it’s like lol.
But racing is about control. Controlling what your opponent can do, it’s why overtaking is what it is...If someone is side by side at the turn in point of a normal turn, if you’re outside and don’t yield you are now putting your race control in their hands, in your case there, he was able to control you by getting to your emotions.
You had the chance to get ahead of him but didnt and paid the price for rolling in the mud with a pig.
Like if he was really bad you could have lifted and then just punted him into the wall at the bottom of the hill and carried on lol.

Yeah, I was kind of unhappy and genuinely thought he'd back off for the left hander as he wasn't even along side me by that point, I guess I shouldn't assume anyone is going to do the right thing. Generally though in the A/S lobbies I race in, everyone is usually a lot more sensible and crashes are usually only due to simple mistakes. Guess I was lulled into a false sense of security as I've had some great racing around there last night and today before that race. At least it didn't impact my SR!!
 
Yes, but he was only pulling level with me after bumping into my rear quarter on the right hander before the uphill section which made me slide wide and scrubbed speed. At that point he should have backed off slightly. If I ever bump someone and force them wide, I don't take advantage of it, I'd always ease off a little.

Remember not everyone is level headed, especially in Sport races. Most people see open space as an invitation to pass and don't have very good racecraft, or racing knowledge.

I think pretty much anyone with a decent ammount of racecraft knows that Seaside's esses are not a passing opportunity on their own; in my opinion only the first left hander that starts the sequence is and only from the inside as you have the better line, however the other person can easily outbrake you into the following tight right hander that leads to the COD, so personally I don't go for passes there too much.

But going to pass from the outside? To quote Maximun Verstappenning:

"What the 🤬 is he thinking to overtake there?!"

In my eyes you didn't do anything wrong and had no reason to back off yourself. Not only did he play bumper cars with you on the right hander leading to the downhill (may not have been intentional, people get that braking point wrong all the time), but also insisted on going for the outside pass not only with no space (you left him just enough room so he wouldn't go on the grass, I've got to commend that awareness :)👍), but also side by side, he did not have enough overlap to even try to outbrake you and swing to the inside or something.

I don't know what he was thinking. I've been in that situation multiple times, like in Maggiore, in the esses. Been shunted off a lot because people think it's a passing point, even though they have a long-arse full power section with a hard braking zone afterwards. Happens to the best of us, I guess; you can't control other human minds! :boggled:

On another note, been qualifying for Race B and C (because 🤬 Fuji, simple as that, sorry but I do not like the track).

My Sirotkin (Scirocco) got a 1:45.401 after some practice. Don't know why, felt better on offline time trials... but nevertheless, pretty good time. Monza, on the other hand, was a 🤬 fest of a qualifying session.

I picked the memelord w i d e b o i (Peugeot VGT Gr.3, some of you that are running Race C should try it. Trust me, it's better than what you expect it to be :D) and went off. Wasted a half hour of my life on RH before realizing I could qualify on RM's, and then finished the session with a 1:47.172. Decent time, but I am not going to bother improving it.

Why, you may ask? :confused:

Because Monza. Let's play a game of how much I had to endure.



Not only these, but also I got, and I counted them:

-4 .5 second penalties for track limits at the chicanes,
-3 1 second penalties for track limits at the chicanes,
-5 1.5 second penalties for track limits at the chicanes.

As Fernando Alonso once said,

"she cut the chicken"

And according to the game, I did.

🤬 Monza.
 
Still here on the Pleasure Beach.

Started P2 in the Viper. First part of the chicane at the bottom of the hill, bumped hard by a TT, managed to keep it on the track but balance shot to 🤬. Down the hill and SLAMMED at Turn 5. Lost 7 places down to 9th. Over the hill (literally as well as metaphorically!) and down to get pushed wide at the first sweeping left-hander, ho-hum. Carried on up and down again to get MARMALISED at the hairpin, last place.

Carried on, caught the (innocent) last but one place car and BLASTED him through the Shadow Realm and back out into the sunlight. Rage quit.

Amazingly still SR C. PD must have taken pity on me, Ford knows why.
 
1 try today. Disco. :irked:

3 tries yesterday. 2 at DT/1 at Monza. Managed to stay clean and gain a few spots.

All meaningless of course because it's all wiped out by a glitch. :crazy:

Disconnects and lag are rampant nowadays, every race at Monza, over half the field is yellow with a couple red and orange connections mixed in. Then when you manage to stay clear of all that you get into SR.S which is a dirty bunch at Monza. Straight back to SR.B with half the room lol. I'm not playing the avoidance game anymore, there's no point, the only reward is dirtier races.

So now enjoying SR.E lol. At least it's honest dirty driving there, not this constant push 2 wheels on the grass so you can't brake or try to squeeze you into the pit wall. Little taps from behind to create openings or just push you out on corner exit. Give me a good honest dive bomb, easy to avoid. Nothing for side contact is ruining the game more than the silly bumper SR Downs.

I wonder what GR.B at Tsukaba in FIA in SR.E looks like :lol:


Still here on the Pleasure Beach.

Started P2 in the Viper. First part of the chicane at the bottom of the hill, bumped hard by a TT, managed to keep it on the track but balance shot to 🤬. Down the hill and SLAMMED at Turn 5. Lost 7 places down to 9th. Over the hill (literally as well as metaphorically!) and down to get pushed wide at the first sweeping left-hander, ho-hum. Carried on up and down again to get MARMALISED at the hairpin, last place.

Carried on, caught the (innocent) last but one place car and BLASTED him through the Shadow Realm and back out into the sunlight. Rage quit.

Amazingly still SR C. PD must have taken pity on me, Ford knows why.

It doesn't update until after the race is finished ;)
 
The Corvette felt a bit heavy and I didn't feel comfortable turning in while braking (which seems really important at Seaside) so I switched to the Huracan and within a couple races took two seconds off my qualifying time. I can tell other cars are faster in certain areas but I want to get really confident with this combination before I start experimenting as I rarely drive Gr.4 or Seaside.
 
Disconnects and lag are rampant nowadays, every race at Monza, over half the field is yellow with a couple red and orange connections mixed in. Then when you manage to stay clear of all that you get into SR.S which is a dirty bunch at Monza. Straight back to SR.B with half the room lol. I'm not playing the avoidance game anymore, there's no point, the only reward is dirtier races.

So now enjoying SR.E lol. At least it's honest dirty driving there, not this constant push 2 wheels on the grass so you can't brake or try to squeeze you into the pit wall. Little taps from behind to create openings or just push you out on corner exit. Give me a good honest dive bomb, easy to avoid. Nothing for side contact is ruining the game more than the silly bumper SR Downs.

I wonder what GR.B at Tsukaba in FIA in SR.E looks like :lol:
Disconnects and lag are rampant nowadays, every race at Monza, over half the field is yellow with a couple red and orange connections mixed in. Then when you manage to stay clear of all that you get into SR.S which is a dirty bunch at Monza. Straight back to SR.B with half the room lol. I'm not playing the avoidance game anymore, there's no point, the only reward is dirtier races.

So now enjoying SR.E lol. At least it's honest dirty driving there, not this constant push 2 wheels on the grass so you can't brake or try to squeeze you into the pit wall. Little taps from behind to create openings or just push you out on corner exit. Give me a good honest dive bomb, easy to avoid. Nothing for side contact is ruining the game more than the silly bumper SR Downs.

I wonder what GR.B at Tsukaba in FIA in SR.E looks like :lol:




It doesn't update until after the race is finished ;)
I love the S/S guys entitlement feel . Yesterday monza had one starting behind me new he was very aggressive and fast decided heading down the straight into chicane at the start of the race to pull right stay right and slightly slow to let him by to avoid the dive bomb I new was coming. But to my amazement or maybe not I left sliver off black top uncovered passes on the right in the grass forces his way back over door slams me I move to try and get out of way he can't stop at chicane ( tires dirty) takes out a couple going in I hit a few as they are trying to recover from this lunatic by the time I was clear of the chicane went from 4th to 12th and 7 seconds of penalties all for trying to let someone pass on the 50 YARDS OF TRACK ON MY LEFT!!! NOT 1/2 INCH ON THE RIGHT.............# MONZA
 
Unfortunately, my favourite camera (on the hood right before the windshield) is strangely absent from GTS. So the ones I use are on the roof and chase cam. Cockpit camera feels too unnatural for me after driving an actual car in real life.

I was trying my luck with Race С on Alfa Romeo, that car is very grippy on shorter corners and quick on exits. But very sensible to even minor errors, especially on longer turns like Parabolica. Set a decent time, but still feel like I can't find balance between careful driving without mistakes/track cut penalties and fast driving. Was struggling on Fuji in actual races with that last week, so going to just work on improving my bad lap/good lap ratio for a while in quali.
 
True, definitely, if there’s one thing I’ve learned about racecraft though it’s that it’s about CONTROL. Control of track position I mean.

But racing is about control. Controlling what your opponent can do,

Exactly!

I've said before... Know what you are going to do, no matter what happens, BEFORE IT HAPPENS.

Learn to manipulate both opponent and race. Hone that skill for a long enpugh time, and you will find that the absolute best people to race with are other master-manipulators. (And make sure to send them a FR.)
 
So, some interesting races today at the Seaside, the Huracán certainly still has quite the pace around the circuit, very balanced car, I very much like it. Shows some understeer on the entry to the fast esses, but a BB of +1 seemed to solve the issue for the most part. Did have a bit of an incident with a driver of an Audi TT in the first lap onto the second hairpin corner, a comeback moment, and then at the final lap on the fast right hander at the first sector I had a pretty controversial overtaking move (in my eyes), would like to see you people's opinions. :cheers:



And the second race, I bottled it :lol:.
 
So, some interesting races today at the Seaside, the Huracán certainly still has quite the pace around the circuit, very balanced car, I very much like it. Shows some understeer on the entry to the fast esses, but a BB of +1 seemed to solve the issue for the most part. Did have a bit of an incident with a driver of an Audi TT in the first lap onto the second hairpin corner, a comeback moment, and then at the final lap on the fast right hander at the first sector I had a pretty controversial overtaking move (in my eyes), would like to see you people's opinions. :cheers:



And the second race, I bottled it :lol:.


All good by me. You had established position at all three corners he made contact with you, and he was playing dirty with the blocking and sideswipes. Deserved.
 
So, some interesting races today at the Seaside, the Huracán certainly still has quite the pace around the circuit, very balanced car, I very much like it. Shows some understeer on the entry to the fast esses, but a BB of +1 seemed to solve the issue for the most part. Did have a bit of an incident with a driver of an Audi TT in the first lap onto the second hairpin corner, a comeback moment, and then at the final lap on the fast right hander at the first sector I had a pretty controversial overtaking move (in my eyes), would like to see you people's opinions. :cheers:



And the second race, I bottled it :lol:.


He could have easily backed out there and tried to make a run on you coming into final turn instead of forcing the issue and you don't want to be on outside there, lol.
 
All good by me. You had achieved position at all three corners he made contact with you and he was playing dirty with the blocking and sideswipes. Deserved.

Found it quite funny that he got a 1 second penalty, so I put Fernando Alonso laughing in there. In the heat of the moment I thought it was deserved too but I attempt to keep impartiality when I share my incidents. :cheers:
 
So, some interesting races today at the Seaside, the Huracán certainly still has quite the pace around the circuit, very balanced car, I very much like it. Shows some understeer on the entry to the fast esses, but a BB of +1 seemed to solve the issue for the most part. Did have a bit of an incident with a driver of an Audi TT in the first lap onto the second hairpin corner, a comeback moment, and then at the final lap on the fast right hander at the first sector I had a pretty controversial overtaking move (in my eyes), would like to see you people's opinions. :cheers:



And the second race, I bottled it :lol:.

Can't tell from only one perspective. But my guess is the pass at the end was on the aggressive side. But the driver wasn't yielding so that's what it took. If I were the other driver I wouldn't be upset with the battle, but because the penalty was bogus. That penalty bump could have occurred at any of the previous 3 turns. Why when the car is already fallen behind? Would have been a better race overall without the penalty.

Nice driving.
 
Hey all!

Last two days I returned from acc to GT sport, and I must say I am shocked.
In almost every race (race B) there is rammers, but not like before where they overtake by using you as brake.
For example, in straight line guy is behind me and try to overtake me, and instead he comes parallel to me and then try to kick me from track live we play fast and furious and not gran turismo. And all the time, and they have SR S. Ofc they don't get penalty.
I really don't get this.
My DR droped from C to D in one day, luckily I won last race and I am back C rating. But this becoming frustrating, they should bring damage in GT 7, when there is risk for braking a car I think people would be more careful. Example is ACC, it's not perfect but you get punished if you drive like that.
 
He had the penalty coming - if anything he deserved it for being stupid and failing to get the job done. A more skilled punter would have put you into the grass before/at Turn 1. If you are going to get nasty, then strike hard with overwhelming force and don't leave the door open for payback.

Edit: Can't help but laugh at the thought of bump drafting a deserving soul right before the COD.
 
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He had the penalty coming - if anything he deserved it for being stupid and failing to get the job done. A more skilled punter would have put you into the grass before/at Turn 1. If you are going to get nasty, then strike hard with overwhelming force and don't leave the door open for payback.


Noted. Lol.
 
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