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Wow @sturk0167 you really bring the best out in folks.:lol:
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I suppose so. I've done one race so far, today, and the results were about the same.
Lap1, the dude in front of me screws up the turn, sliding his car sideways in the middle of the track. I tried to avoid, and couldn't. Slamming on the brakes at that spot will push your car to the left.
He responds by giving me a penalty, and after serving my time, he does it again.

Unfortunately, I didn't see him again. Something must have happened to him. Eh, whatever. I intend to keep at it. 👍



He finished with a blue rating. :rolleyes:

*Maybe I need to change my name. :lol:
 
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KiepeYai
Unfortunately I didn’t save any replay, but i guess it was because of the previous race which was really messy , somehow they didnt reset my DR until the next one
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I think after that is when we crossed paths this morning. It was good racing with you. I'm glad we got such distance on the pack, but wish I hadn't made a mistake at Radillion to lose the CRB. If you see me lined up behind you again, I'll keep your bumper safe through La Source.
 
KiepeYai
Unfortunately I didn’t save any replay, but i guess it was because of the previous race which was really messy , somehow they didnt reset my DR until the next one
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The first race probably had you on the verge then, and then just a couple of taps in the next one finished the job. Sometimes with the dirty drivers, and especially if you’re trying to save/gain SR, it’s best to just lift and give them the position. I know, it’s sucks, and it should never be that way. But when you think about it, what’s worth more in a case like that, one position in one race(about 80 DR), or the 3 months worth of DR you’ve been working on. :)
 
I still haven't quite figured out the SR points multiplier. I just got my 4th consecutive clean race at Willow.
starting at 31, I first gained 13 points (44), then 9 (53), then 7 (60), then 7 again (67). Maybe 50 is the point where it goes back to normal.
Not sure what the formula is when you're below 50.
Points per lap were 2.6, 1.8, & 1.4.
 
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I'm new to this form site. After read many issues regarding whatever it is. Surely enough the penalty system is by far the biggest problem and unjustice. Which had to affect me also. So I just played whatever I need to kill boredom. Not taking seriously the rate of the score. Forward the GT 7 released soon. And hope it brings me excitement once again.
 
sturk0167
That's why I try to avoid using M/T whenever possible. I screw up the shifts too, which sometimes causes a crash. :banghead:
If my lap times are close with the two transmissions, I'll go with A/T.
Today's race at Willow Springs is a good example. For me, M/T is only .02 faster. In the race, I'll certainly use A/T.
But with some race combos, M/T is a lot quicker. Might as well try both. 👍
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Thanks, good advice. I have a consistent time on the Spa daily QT. Will use AT and compare.

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I tried AT and I was perplexed after getting a slightly better AT lap within 10 minutes of trying. The big kicker was that sector 2 was a full 1.0 seconds faster!

It seems I have developed at few shortcomings with MT.
  1. My downshifts were too aggressive nullifying any advantage - easily corrected.
  2. AT allows you to concentrate more on the brake and throttle and the clean transition between the two. Unconsciously, it allowed me to get a better maximum for the mid-corner speed. Correcting that was harder since braking on the limit is much more hectic for my brain and fingers.
The net is that the experiment led to a significantly faster MT qualifying time. I can attribute at least 1.0 seconds of the gain to the AT/MT experimentation. My MT lap is now faster in all sectors.

Once again, thanks for the suggestion.

And for the wider AT topic - "Are the top drivers using MT?" An emphatic YES! At Spa/Gr.2 the AT mode drops to 2nd gear, not 1st gear, at the hairpin and the bus stop. In the replays all of the fast drivers were shifting to 1st gear strongly suggesting they are using MT and not AT as displayed.
 
Little_Guppy
[Monday]
Thanks, good advice. I have a consistent time on the Spa daily QT. Will use AT and compare.

[Now]
I tried AT and I was perplexed after getting a slightly better AT lap within 10 minutes of trying. The big kicker was that sector 2 was a full 1.0 seconds faster!

It seems I have developed at few shortcomings with MT.
  1. My downshifts were too aggressive nullifying any advantage - easily corrected.
  2. AT allows you to concentrate more on the brake and throttle and the clean transition between the two. Unconsciously, it allowed me to get a better maximum for the mid-corner speed. Correcting that was harder since braking on the limit is much more hectic for my brain and fingers.
The net is that the experiment led to a significantly faster MT qualifying time. I can attribute at least 1.0 seconds of the gain to the AT/MT experimentation. My MT lap is now faster in all sectors.

Once again, thanks for the suggestion.

And for the wider AT topic - "Are the top drivers using MT?" An emphatic YES! At Spa/Gr.2 the AT mode drops to 2nd gear, not 1st gear, at the hairpin and the bus stop. In the replays all of the fast drivers were shifting to 1st gear strongly suggesting they are using MT and not AT as displayed.
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No problem. I didn't mean to suggest that A/T is the better way to go.
For me it usually is, and I guess for a few other people. When I approach a turn, and I'm thinking about my downshifting, I'll often screw up my turn-in. Glad it's working for you. 👍
 
Some fun action in the desert, today.

Once bitten, twice shy.
This is the exact same scenario as the first clip I posted yesterday.
Since he swerved right, then left to block my fakes, I think I was right to not just try passing him straight up.
Beating someone off the turn doesn't count for much, anymore. :indiff:


Boy, I really felt terrible about this next one. I'm okay now, but for 2 or 3 seconds there, I was just inconsolable. :lol:
 
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Been in B/S a long time. I'm quick at time trial, but need better race craft skills. Spending some time to practice and increase the driver rating.

Today I went for my first win in an A/B room for Daily Race B from 2nd place. I got lucky, but also had a pretty clean run!

As a lurker, I appreciate the tips shared here. Keep 'em coming!

- onthewheel79

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Beat my clean race record, 10 in a row at Suzuka, was 9 for an eternity, 11 was prevented by collecting someone's accident, bugger.
Would like to add to @Groundfish & others excellent advice.
I start the week with a mediocre QT, see who and what I'm up against, make every mistake possible & if I'm enjoying it I set faster QT & join the battle. Which then usually ends badly, and start afresh the following week, ha. :gtpflag:
 
Pigems
The first race probably had you on the verge then, and then just a couple of taps in the next one finished the job. Sometimes with the dirty drivers, and especially if you’re trying to save/gain SR, it’s best to just lift and give them the position. I know, it’s sucks, and it should never be that way. But when you think about it, what’s worth more in a case like that, one position in one race(about 80 DR), or the 3 months worth of DR you’ve been working on. :)
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had to learn this lesson the hardest way, spa is just horrible this week, the whole race only provides like 9 SR :eek:,
 
ZiggyS80
I think after that is when we crossed paths this morning. It was good racing with you. I'm glad we got such distance on the pack, but wish I hadn't made a mistake at Radillion to lose the CRB. If you see me lined up behind you again, I'll keep your bumper safe through La Source.
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It was fun indeed, i knew i could trust you when i lifted to let you go and you lifted too ,:cheers:
 
Pigems
It all depends, on race A, Yes, B most likely as well. But in race C the car you race may change based on fuel or tire wear in race. :)
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Is this what you do generally? Do you generally (over 90% of the time) race with the same car you qualify in Race A and B?
 
Ferrari458Italia
Is this what you do generally? Do you generally (over 90% of the time) race with the same car you qualify in Race A and B?
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I would say yes. Race A and B don’t have any fuel or tire wear, so there isn’t really any theoretical advantage in switching cars for the race. But, in race C, there are times when the fastest Qually car isn’t the fastest car over the race distance with fuel and tire wear on. For example, the Fastest Q car could be a fuel pig, or may be really hard on tires. So a car that is maybe .5 slower over a single lap in Q, could make that up and more in race by being better on fuel, or easier on tires, over the 10-15 laps of a race. :)
 
GOTMAXPOWER
Inside vs Outside at La Source:

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So, what you're basically saying is, you're a freakin' alien. Gotcha. 👍

Pigems
It all depends, on race A, Yes, B most likely as well. But in race C the car you race may change based on fuel or tire wear in race. :)
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I'll throw another fun hat into the ring here. Qualifying is either A) you don't, B) you try out cars & whatever time you get, you go with, or C) try any car you're comfortable with & set as fast of a time as you can. Example: A few weeks ago when Gr. 2 was at Suzuka, I raced the GT-R. Tried to qualify with it, but was starting mid-pack. Tried the NSX & cut 2 seconds off my QT. This week at Spa, total opposite. NSX feels unstable, GT-R more so. GT-R QT was 2 seconds faster. Obviously, everybody's results will differ based upon driving habits/style.
 
For myself sometimes a car for me has a much better one lap pace but is maybe harder for me to drive.
So then yes I will qual the best one lap wonder then race what I’m comfortable with.
Some cars too are just never the BEST qual car but in sport mode races they seem quicker, I dunno maybe it’s just me.
Do what you like!
 
RacingGrandpa
Unless you are one of the aliens you are probably better off racing the car you are most comfortable with.
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I'm faster with Corvettes than anything else. They are so easy to drive, the bit of understeer and low shift points contribute to that feeling. A bit heavy, and not skittish like the 911 and R8, very powerful and great on straights. Some of my best performances(Bathurst Race C, St Croix last week) were in Corvettes. Also helps that I'm a major Corvette fan...
I did pretty well with the C9 too, can anyone tell me what this says about my driving style?
I was pretty much the opposite on controller, loved oversteer and Gr.1s, but after switching to wheel Gr.4's seem to be my strongest.

Edit-I still can't drive road cars though, was same on controller.
 
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Ferrari458Italia
do you guys typically race in the same car that you set your qualifying time with?
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Not at all. I try in the car I prefer most for the track. Then look at the top ten and give the most used car a try. I don’t like it but 9-10 times am faster in QT with that car than my preference. I do end up setting the best QT i can regardless of car.
 
Generally the same as these fellows: I drive what I like first. Then check the leaderboard for the META and maybe watch a replay to spot opportunities for more speed. I may qualify with the META then, because at K' Speed Score paces above 70 or more, I think that it can make a difference, as the gap between the META and others may be greater than the error band of my consistent driving.

But then, when it comes to a race, I may get back in a car that I like better, or that is better for racing. The Gr3 Corvette is one example... it's often not the META, but it can be a really good race car in some tracks, even if it's ultimate pace is not best. The ability to carry speed despite using various lines, brake deeper, or just comfort may serve you better in race situations.

On the flip side: at many tracks, the Gr4 RCZ is really fast when qualifying, and often a clear META for QT, but it requires you drive a perfect line and as soon as you come off the ideal line, or miss the critical brake/throttle points because you are in close company with other racers, it is often not effective in races.

And then, other times, you may just want to drive something different to enjoy it. Once you've got that QT in any car, it's nice to be able to start 'where you deserve to' but enjoy the different cars without committing to them, in the Daily Races. I find that experimenting with other cars gives me insight to my preferred ones, and can make me faster and also help me to know where my advantages are, compared to all the other cars we race against in Dailies and FIA races.

ILLEAGLE_34
Not at all. I try in the car I prefer most for the track. Then look at the top ten and give the most used car a try. I don’t like it but 9-10 times am faster in QT with that car than my preference. I do end up setting the best QT i can regardless of car.
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Jason885
Yes, when I can pick a car I tend to use the one I'm most comfy with, then I will have a look at what seems to be getting the best times and give it a go but if I'm not comfy driving it I won't use it.
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KosmoKazi
at many tracks, the Gr4 RCZ is really fast when qualifying, and often a clear META for QT, but it requires you drive a perfect line and as soon as you come off the ideal line, or miss the critical brake/throttle points because you are in close company with other racers, it is often not effective in races
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This is a major part of the number of dirty drivers... The FF cars are only fast in a very small, certain line and they will do anything to run that line...
 
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