"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Groundfish]

I was out of place on the grid as far as race pace goes with my 1.27.7 was pretty much able to out brake people in the mid field because of our pace differences or just pressure them into an error but this also resulted in contact and penalties because they would be slightly slower where there was more potential or defending too hard/blocking. Once I set my 1.26.7 the racing is different when people are of similar pace, if I can keep up with them I usually just try to follow and wait for an error because without one I can't even get enough drive with the tow to put them off line usually. If I'm not losing time to whoever's behind me at brands and I'm behind someone myself I'll just follow and play the long game.

I think recently I’ve found MUCH more enjoyable races by qualifying instead of copping out and running no qual.
I enjoy more racing around guys at my level with the suspense of waiting for a mistake vs slaloming slower drivers or being under impatient alien assault.
I like Brands because after the first lap you can generally settle in...
Great time mid 26. Mid 27 qual in the beemer has been working out well at my speed. I just think with the pen system and all getting that qual is really important.

However, I have leaned toward the softer/faster tire often because once you've lost the track position over the first stint, it's really hard to catch back up as the laps run down. And I find it's easier to not make the mistakes that allow for free positions, while others do, when you are on the more effective tire.

I’ve been starting mid pack on med most evening races. I usually go for the softer compound first always in sport mode, but it’s fun to chase at the end here. I need to switch to my normal strategy!
I don’t understand the logic of what’s considered conventional ie starting on a slow tire from back on the grid unless no stopping.
I have a hard time saying ok my plan is to lose time and be vulnerable...
I have been losing too much time first stint though even running low 30s...Those ff on soft are quick even with cold tires full fuel.
Maybe I ought to spend time on qual with the TT.
I’m not afraid to start towards the front in an fr, but gotta get the time. Lately q is such an annoying chore...

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I think recently I’ve found MUCH more enjoyable races by qualifying instead of copping out and running no qual.
I enjoy more racing around guys at my level with the suspense of waiting for a mistake vs slaloming slower drivers or being under impatient alien assault.
I like Brands because after the first lap you can generally settle in...
Great time mid 26. Mid 27 qual in the beemer has been working out well at my speed. I just think with the pen system and all getting that qual is really important.



I’ve been starting mid pack on med most evening races. I usually go for the softer compound first always in sport mode, but it’s fun to chase at the end here. I need to switch to my normal strategy!
I don’t understand the logic of what’s considered conventional ie starting on a slow tire from back on the grid unless no stopping.
I have a hard time saying ok my plan is to lose time and be vulnerable...
I have been losing too much time first stint though even running low 30s...Those ff on soft are quick even with cold tires full fuel.
Maybe I ought to spend time on qual with the TT.
I’m not afraid to start towards the front in an fr, but gotta get the time. Lately q is such an annoying chore...

I prefer starting on the softer compound in a race like this. When I switch to medium my gas tank is lighter so there's not much difference in lap times.

 

[05XR8]

My old friend the Mustang, is so sweet. Triued the two stop. It's neither here nor there. The FFs don't stand a chance. RCZ has a bit of top end, but once a whiff of tyre wear is present, I can pounce on corner exit. Front tyre wear is negated with BB 2 to the rear. I'm consistent to the flag. Been moving up around 8 spots average. Qualified better and starting 5th right now. See how we go.

 

[NSP525]

It's definitely funny that way... some guys can drive anything fast and others like myself can't drive certain combos to save my life my A+ turns into E minus driving those open wheel GrX cars or gr1/2

I'm the same way except I love the open wheel races and have even come to like the gr1 hybrids too, I stay away from anything under gr4 tbh

I think recently I’ve found MUCH more enjoyable races by qualifying instead of copping out and running no qual.
I enjoy more racing around guys at my level with the suspense of waiting for a mistake vs slaloming slower drivers or being under impatient alien assault.
I like Brands because after the first lap you can generally settle in...
Great time mid 26. Mid 27 qual in the beemer has been working out well at my speed. I just think with the pen system and all getting that qual is really important.



I’ve been starting mid pack on med most evening races. I usually go for the softer compound first always in sport mode, but it’s fun to chase at the end here. I need to switch to my normal strategy!
I don’t understand the logic of what’s considered conventional ie starting on a slow tire from back on the grid unless no stopping.
I have a hard time saying ok my plan is to lose time and be vulnerable...
I have been losing too much time first stint though even running low 30s...Those ff on soft are quick even with cold tires full fuel.
Maybe I ought to spend time on qual with the TT.
I’m not afraid to start towards the front in an fr, but gotta get the time. Lately q is such an annoying chore...

I think if your starting on mediums you have to try and undercut for some free track and get a good out lap, this doesn't seem like the most viable strat to me in top split lobbies as everyone will probably be doing the opposite and be on the softs first so unless you have a lot of pace in hand or are very comfortable defending I think the 2 stop with mediums for the last lap lets you attack and extract the most laptime from your race but it's also the riskiest option. I did use the 1 stop from meds to soft with my first qualy time to some success but find the 2 stop more enjoyable with the FF cars.

Qualy is a bit of a pain sometimes, I really hung it out for my 1.26, if I drove like that in the race id be off every other corner lol. Brands is one of those tracks where I don't have many consecutive laps in qualy because when you dip a tire here it's game over, can throw you off for the race a bit sometimes after resetting so many times in a row and then going into a race and having to be consistent for 13 laps.

 

[jad866]

It's definitely funny that way... some guys can drive anything fast and others like myself can't drive certain combos to save my life my A+ turns into E minus driving those open wheel GrX cars or gr1/2

and I am just the opposite Gr1 or 2 I am usually in the top splits and can creep into Low A+ but I struggle with certain GR3 combos and GR4 all together

 

[NevilleNobody]

The theory in running the slower tyre first is you inevitably take a lap or two of tussling and you take the edge of softer rubber. In theory you pit in clear air and set strong times.

For those with no life, I present the following example;

 

[Groundfish]

I think if your starting on mediums you have to try and undercut for some free track and get a good out lap, this doesn't seem like the most viable strat to me in top split lobbies as everyone will probably be doing the opposite and be on the softs first so unless you have a lot of pace in hand or are very comfortable defending I think the 2 stop with mediums for the last lap lets you attack and extract the most laptime from your race but it's also the riskiest option. I did use the 1 stop from meds to soft with my first qualy time to some success but find the 2 stop more enjoyable with the FF cars.

Qualy is a bit of a pain sometimes, I really hung it out for my 1.26, if I drove like that in the race id be off every other corner lol. Brands is one of those tracks where I don't have many consecutive laps in qualy because when you dip a tire here it's game over, can throw you off for the race a bit sometimes after resetting so many times in a row and then going into a race and having to be consistent for 13 laps.

Ok, I will never get the last hour of my life back but I used the TT and broke 27. I hate the car, but it’s necessary to get further forward.
Now I can start closer to the front in my Stang or M4. On meds I just stay out...The car gets lighter, so times aren’t horrid.
Now we’ll see if I get bullied lol.
Great points you bring up and you’re fast! Great to hear your ideas!
I’m opposite to the crash reset qual deal. I “sneak up on it” gaining a thousandth here a hundredth there. Takes me forever.
These are really great posts really informative and motivating.
Now I may have to start soft and switch to med. I’m going to continue trying the one stopper.

 

[NSP525]

Ok, I will never get the last hour of my life back but I used the TT and broke 27. I hate the car, but it’s necessary to get further forward.
Now I can start closer to the front in my Stang or M4. On meds I just stay out...The car gets lighter, so times aren’t horrid.
Now we’ll see if I get bullied lol.
Great points you bring up and you’re fast! Great to hear your ideas!
I’m opposite to the crash reset qual deal. I “sneak up on it” gaining a thousandth here a hundredth there. Takes me forever.
These are really great posts really informative and motivating.
Now I may have to start soft and switch to med. I’m going to continue trying the one stopper.

Can't really comment for the fr cars as I've been FF all week but I much prefer the softs in this race over the mediums even once the softs wear they still feel like they have more grip to me, the safest Strat is probably soft to med 1 stop and will make your life easier at the start of the race as you won't be at a grip disadvantage. The med to soft really only is good here if you can maintain pace with the soft runners at the start or are further back on the grid and can keep out of trouble and get some free places in the first few laps and have tire advantage for the end. The most fun to me is the 2 stop soft soft mediums last lap, lets me attack the most and the FFs are so much nicer with the soft tire, my quickest total times have been virtually unimpeded 2 stops but not by much so if you get traffic it doesn't really pay off but I find I stand a better chance applying pressure with the grip advantage anyways if I do get behind someone, then you just need to gap them by 7-8 seconds before the last lap which all depends on their Strat and skill but if they miss a braking point badly you can get a pretty big gap if they reset from going that far off track. It's nice to have options depending how the race unfolds.

 

[P4man]

Now I may have to start soft and switch to med. I’m going to continue trying the one stopper.

This was ok for me the last race I did yesterday as my mind was set to work with the softs when wearing, then with fresh med on I wasn't having to adjust my driving as much in the last 6 or so laps.

 

[Groundfish]

Well not much to report since I pressed soft again first pit by mistake.
I faced some A and A plus, started sixth.
I took advantage early on them fighting and out drag a trophy on the front straight. Took third. Doubt 1 stop would have held second the guy chasing was fast...I only gapped at 2 seconds by lap 12 on the soft so looked to be third no matter what.
S S M.
I’ll take third . The Mustang can really pounce when guys fight because of the stability. Diggin me some fr!
I need to test more in a race where people don’t fight early.
Pretty good early action, shared replay with the TPC tag...
@NSP525 Softs are quite advantageous in the early going, you were exactly right! Thanks.

 

[05XR8]

The Mustang is truly the sleeper this week. Unsuspecting because of how it 's been outperformed, of late, by the Viper and C7. Off-throttleturnin™ of the Mustang, bests everything but an Evo on fresh RS.

 

[Groundfish]

The Stang...

 

[05XR8]

Just a slight wobble on the penultimate lap, let a chasing(one lap fresher tyred) Atenza and TT get by. TT gets two tyres on the track edge out of the last corner. You know what happened after that. All A/S room. Still kept the 86 qualy time on my main account.

Edit: Watched the replay and only me and two other players(one was the winning TT), were using MT without TCS. Two TTs and a Cayman used TCS w/AT. The rest were only AT users.

 

[ShiftingGears]

The worst thing about the sportsmanship ratings is that when you are chasing SR between FIA races by entering a daily race it's easy to lose more SR because you're paired with erratic drivers that can't keep it together.

 

[Redneckchef]

The worst thing about the sportsmanship ratings is that when you are chasing SR between FIA races by entering a daily race it's easy to lose more SR because you're paired with erratic drivers that can't keep it together.

I learned this when we had Gr3 at Fuji for race C. Tried to repair my SR and it died.

It was worth running a second race in an SR A/B ranking. 20 SR gained. Pack destroyed themselves safely in my mirror.

 

[suprajef]

You're always killing it in them road cars... I found it took a REALLY long time for me to get the hang of that car almost like I had to retrain myself on the fly. Great time as usual 👍

Thanks, I really appreciate it, road cars on this game feel very close to the real world...however I have never raced a race car. It is just weird to me for gr4 and gr3 that there are too many gimmicks/tricks that do not feel natural to me.

 

[elston87]

I knew something was gonna give- my good luck wouldn't last forever. Got on last night for more sessions of Race A and managed to get my Clean Races streak up to 11. I only needed four more for the Level 3 bonus until the last two races of the night, where I got punted off into oblivion on the first turn at the start of the race. Thankfully the game punished the offending players for their actions with a big enough penalty for me to overtake them on the next lap, but then I remembered the horrors of gaming the penalty system and the "Rating Shield". On the last turn of the final lap of my last race for the night, a player uses me as a wall as they dig in deep into the final turn; their car veers off the curb and into the grass for a bit, which results in the game handing me a one second penalty and an SR Down. They had a lower rating than me, which is why I assume I was handed a penalty. I've had contact with other players battling inside turns who are the same rating as me and no penalties resulted, only this "incident".

Guess that speaks volumes about the playerbase during times of day. I'll try to race only in the mornings if my schedule allows it from now on. Turn 1 shenanigans are frustrating to think about. Out of all the races I had yesterday in the morning, not one had any shenanigans occurring at Turn 1.

 

[Groundfish]

Good morning friends,
Yesterday evening I had time for just one more entry with my trusty Mustang. The lobby was STACKED. A plus S and A-no B in the room. I began seventh on the soft compound. Attrition had me fifth by lap three...I was all over fourths bumper.
Into Paddock I had a strong run so he had moved inside on the straight, so then I moved towards the normal entry. He reacted and kinda half moved over in a block attempt. This compromised his entry though and I crossed over into fourth. (Don’t double move block and you probably could have held your position, sir).
Anyways I went S to M one stop and almost caught the bottom podium spot on the end but not quite.
Not bad, I was pretty stoked!

I ran the softs for 8 laps, ty tcs3 bb0!!!
I see no reason to drive a girly TT when there’s the option to run a mans car. I feel dirty having had to qual in the TT but so be it!
My coffee and qual face during TT use:

 

[Famine]

BabyPuncher525

Is punching babies so common in Canada that 524 other people beat you to the name?

 

[O604]

Is punching babies so common in Canada that 524 other people beat you to the name?

In our defense, some of them deserve it.

 

[NSP525]

Is punching babies so common in Canada that 524 other people beat you to the name?

Haha, we may not be the friendly bunch you all thought we were.

In our defense, some of them deserve it.

As you can see the rivalries run deep up here, no one is safe.

 

[Groundfish]

Ok, so when you are going in with a V8 Bill Elliot liveried Mustang at Brands Hatch and the room is filled with a “pathetic band” of TT and you already run a tight line with good pace...

 

[KosmoKazi]

The worst thing about the sportsmanship ratings is that when you are chasing SR between FIA races by entering a daily race it's easy to lose more SR because you're paired with erratic drivers that can't keep it together.

For sure... you can easily get into a spiral and risk a reset, before you know it. It happened to me over the summer when I tried to patch a bit of SR at races at Tokyo, and I nearly got reset in the process.

Problem with the dailies is the amount you can lose is so much more than what's on offer if it all is perfect.

Best way is to just enter the next FIA race in the first slot, take the SR and then run it again after that, when you should have easily gotten it over 90 to be matched in top S bin again. There's as many as 49 or more on offer in those races, for CRB (recent FIA race at Suzuka, for example).

 

[NoStopN]

It's not how I wanted the morning to go, but it did. Race 1, started 8th in the Corvette (race C). Only real competitor was a TT. We traded places a couple of times. I was able to stay beside him in some of the high speed corners, but he drove like I wasn't there, not giving me any space. So finally, coming up to Sterling's, I earned my penalty. Off you go sucka! Needless to say that this didn't do any good for my SR rating. Then I see that he left a comment on a different video on my YT channel that shan't be repeated here. So, I tried to improve my QT, ran a sub-1:30, & hit the track again. This time, in a B/C rated room, I was given the pole position. Well, I'll take it. The first lap was pretty exciting, but the following 12, not so much. Film at 11 (or whenever I finish it).

 

[05XR8]

Getting clumsy in my old age and not taking my advice. Should practice with cars I don't use, BEFORE entering a competition.

Thought I'd take it easy in some early races and watch the replays. I'm usually down the order, but since I'm amongst D-B players, I'm starting around 5th.

The TT people are slow. So, I have to slow down and not barge past. Yes, this allows allllll the players behind to catch up. They barge past and I ha I to be the nice guy and not beat in the car ahead if me.

Anyway, I punt one player b cause they're all over the place and I'm picking a line to set up.
Pin another one because they finally realise their tyres are dead and I'm in fresh RS(for like three laps the player kept trying to fight me).

Next, using the McLaren. I was garbage. Don't know how to drive it. Felt so slow. Braking felt like I had bricks for tyres. Pitted we three times.

Back in the Mustang, then M4 and lastly the Vantage. That'll be it

 

[05XR8]

That FR life. No need to use the TT Cup for great results. Used all the "GT4" cars except the Cayman. SLS and 650S were write offs.

Old faithful. Gets the job done every time. Good corner speed, torque, tyre wear, brakes.

C7 surprised the heck out of me. Even better than the Mustang. I see why people signed with the Bowtie contingent. Could have run the whole race on RM. I went two laps more, comfortably, than I have any other car. The result belies the race. Excellent car at this combo. in the immortal words of Undercover Brother, "Soliiid.".

M4 is slick. Put it in the column of sleeper this week. Got quicker as fuel dropped off and tyre wear increases. Similar to the Gr.3 Atenza. Almost got 'em. Half a lap more.

Another close one. P1 was surprised I was faster setting FL on the last laps(he was on RM). One half of the British Bulldogs, its the aVantage for sure.
Brakes suck though. I was losing time having to pull up sooner than all the other FR cars. Could be the extra speed I had to get used to, but I couldn't attack or I'd run wide(worked that out early in the race). Had to rely on exit acceleration and top end to run down the TT. Messed up right before the PZ, as I was right behind it and a ghosted lapped car unsettled us both.

I seriously want PD to change the regulations for this class. There's been even more talk about revising Gr.4. Not just the BOP. Make Gr.4 strictly RWD. Move FF & AWD, each, to separate sub-Gr.4 categories in touring car classes.

 

[NSP525]

Ran quite a few daily C's today. Was close clean racing near the front with 2-4 of us usually breaking the slipstream before the long straight and then just building a gap to the pack. Very hard to get a decent run in the slipstream without the car ahead having a significant error the corner before as most of us were near the same pace, patience was key and strategies were fun between the one and 2 stop, each had benefits depending how the race was unfolding. My total times are so close between the two strategies I would say they both have their place this week, doing the opposite of your main rival was kind of fun tbh. Undercutting the leader with the 2 stop and trying to pull the gap is still the most fun imo but if you go long on the softs to lap 7 or 8 without losing too much pace you can get a really good stint out of the mediums to counter it also. Overall a good evening with a few wins and podiums and lots of close racing.

 

[NoStopN]

It's not how I wanted the morning to go, but it did. Race 1, started 8th in the Corvette (race C). Only real competitor was a TT. We traded places a couple of times. I was able to stay beside him in some of the high speed corners, but he drove like I wasn't there, not giving me any space. So finally, coming up to Sterling's, I earned my penalty. Off you go sucka! Needless to say that this didn't do any good for my SR rating. Then I see that he left a comment on a different video on my YT channel that shan't be repeated here. So, I tried to improve my QT, ran a sub-1:30, & hit the track again. This time, in a B/C rated room, I was given the pole position. Well, I'll take it. The first lap was pretty exciting, but the following 12, not so much. Film at 11 (or whenever I finish it).

Well, it’s about damn time.



Ran some races on my team account and had a ton of fun at Brands. Team account was at B/A to start the day & finished at B/S. I shared my last race of the day in game. Started 5th, spun on L1T1, down to 17th or so & the 86 got me to a 3rd.

 

[05XR8]

Last last race. TT mayhem. They can't nmove out of their own way. That's the problem with these "One Make" races.

Funny how the TTs starting on RS, gets negated when I run long on the RM. However, had I stopped when the 86 pitted, I would be up there. I ran with the back half TTs and they all made a dash for pits lap 7. I went one more lap.

 

[Raceourse42]

Well silly me, I started on softs, race C in a megane. pitted on lap 6 and changed over to.... softs, I should have pitted again, but didn't, and saw myself drop from 1st to last ha.
I had a clean race and fastest lap though ha!