"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[KosmoKazi]

Race C at Brands Hatch is a bit nasty tonight. Competitive but nasty. Somehow clawed out some DR but it cost me SR with completely unavoidable contact from idiots swerving and blocking and brake checking (carefully as to avoid the appearance but nonetheless obvious).

 

[Kermit_2142]

The week is flying by, it’s Thursday already!!! Had some more fun with Race B but it does amaze me that this far into the week some people still refuse to brake into t1 .
Also witnessed someone pull of a low 2.15 from a standing start

 

[GTWolverine]

July 2018, lol with an N300 (Lancer Evo I think). Short but sweet track and I'm surprised it hasn't appeared in so long. It came up regularly when races were daily.

I don't mind the Swift if I think of a potential alternative, the Honda Beat.

It's been over 2 years?? And yeah a lot of my favorite tracks came up more often when the "Daily" races were truly daily, like Yamagiwa, BMB, and Northern Isle.

 

[05XR8]

Sounds like Kei cars at Miyabi.

 

[Groundfish]

I think I might enter a race or two tonight when I get home.
Next week B...If you are interested in this one practice the Megane.
You can try Lexus etc but Megane is META.
Also be advised if you plan to use Megane, as you should be sure to run a custom livery.
On a gr4 sprint the yellow Megane is always a dirty player. This race will be excruciating but if you’re fast you can make huge dr gains.
Don’t expect anything but a tough fight though.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Was actually able to grind out some good DR returns... at a low A rating, the lobbies were paying very well for a top 5 tonight, over a 1100 pts for 4th in the last one, for example. This is always a very fun race, at BH in Gr4 cars. Sure, it’s a spec TT race mostly, but the grids are very competitive. Good hard racing in the A/S ranks. Haven’t gone DR mining for a while on the main account, but tonight was good. Was able to put 2500 on where I was after the last FIA race... a nice cushion again, above the A cutoff.

saw @NevilleNobody out there but didn’t bump in to any other GTP racers that I noticed.

Seems a 2-stop race is proving to be the winning strategy, in lobbies with A+ speed.

Race C at Brands Hatch is a bit nasty tonight. Competitive but nasty. Somehow clawed out some DR but it cost me SR with completely unavoidable contact from idiots swerving and blocking and brake checking (carefully as to avoid the appearance but nonetheless obvious).

 

[Randy Winston]

Well this one was a dogfight

 

[DanSHW]

Sounds like Kei cars at Miyabi.

Doesn't say one make, so could be the old and new MX-5s, maybe sambabus Vs beetle?

 

[jad866]

Race C at Brands Hatch is a bit nasty tonight. Competitive but nasty. Somehow clawed out some DR but it cost me SR with completely unavoidable contact from idiots swerving and blocking and brake checking (carefully as to avoid the appearance but nonetheless obvious).

I was in a race on brands last night I think 8pm race... started 3rd finished 1st in the VW ( only because 1st spun on lap 3). started on mediums did 7 came in for softs under cut what was now 1st, but I had to sweat it out as i was getting the dreaded sputter from the accelerator pedal (G29). Did hang on for the win then took apart the pedals cleaned everything came back and set a top 80 time in the TT @ 26.7 . so I am wondering if you lose connectivity in the pedals sooner causing a slower accel rate and the the sputtering(obviously slowing me down @Top Speed) is the the check engine light saying AHH Houston we have a problem. Because after cleaning everything seemed much smother on accel hence faster time. But the sputtering mid race was awful but only in the top gears never in the lower...

 

[05XR8]

Mustang has been very strong last coupk days. Used my main and alt accounts. A Lancer was able to stay ahead second half of the race. Other than that, it's got the measure of the FFs. Not even an RCZ could pull away from me.

Bathurst might be a different story.

 

[KosmoKazi]

Took a look at my four Race C's from last night. Earlier evening sessions were very nasty, dirty affairs... elbows out just to survive.

Later evening races were really more or less clean. Wonder if anyone else sees what the main difference was.

Net -18 SR down in the first two races. Combined 30 SR points in the two later races.

FWIW, the only issue I had in the race at 3:00 was with the fellow with the blue and white flag, who decided to block and try to run me off at Hawthorn after I had a clear run and was ahead of him entering Hawthorn. Got me a 2 sec penalty for holding my ground when he tried to squeeze me off late on the apex there... and on the first lap, no less.

As you can see, I was sandwiched between two green flags on the nastier races.

And to be fair, they weren't the only offenders... the US driver who finished 12th/13th in the earlier two races was the worst one I came across, and ruined both of those races for me right up front, but there was a lot of unnecessary 'elbows out' defensive driving necessary when it would have been better and faster for everyone if the blocking and crowding wasn't going on.

All that aside, a net pickup of 2000 DR for these four races was fantastic value for the time spent. And it remains true that the easiest way to pick up DR at these DR level lobbies(in the Americas region) is to get knocked into the 80-90 SR level lobbies, where a podium finish is nearly assured, take the DR grab while you repair your SR, and then claw out some more when you return to the top (90-99) S SR level. I always come out ahead on DR that way, and I've seen plenty of Kudosprime charts that demonstrate that it's far and away the best way to achieve a high DR, compared to your actual race speed.

Had an easy top-5 taken away by penalties 'earned' by holding my ground against the Colombian driver in the 0:00 race... so damn frustrating. Lost 8 sec in penalties due to late swerving and ill-advised squeezing attempts as he attempted to make a Ferrari work in a pack of TT's.

Race C at Brands Hatch is a bit nasty tonight. Competitive but nasty. Somehow clawed out some DR but it cost me SR with completely unavoidable contact from idiots swerving and blocking and brake checking (carefully as to avoid the appearance but nonetheless obvious).

 

[NSP525]

Took a look at my four Race C's from last night. Earlier evening sessions were very nasty, dirty affairs... elbows out just to survive.

Later evening races were really more or less clean. Wonder if anyone else sees what the main difference was.

Net -18 SR down in the first two races. Combined 30 SR points in the two later races.

FWIW, the only issue I had in the rave at 3:00 was with the fellow with the blue and white flag, who decided to block and try to run me off at Hawthorn after I had a clear run and was ahead of him entering Hawthorn. Got me a 2 sec penalty for holding my ground when he tried to squeeze me off late on the apex there... and on the first lap, no less.

As you can see, I was sandwiched between two green flags on the nastier races.

And to be fair, they weren't the only offenders... the US driver who finished 12th/13th in the earlier two races was the worst one I came across, and ruined both of those races for me right up front, but there was a lot of unnecessary 'elbows out' defensive driving necessary when it would have been better and faster for everyone if the blocking and crowding wasn't going on.

All that aside, a net pickup of 2000 DR for these four races was fantastic value for the time spent. And it remains true that the easiest way to pick up DR at these DR level lobbies(in the Americas region) is to get knocked into the 80-90 SR level lobbies, where a podium finish is nearly assured, take the DR grab while you repair your SR, and then claw out some more when you return to the top (90-99) S SR level. I always come out ahead on DR that way, and I've seen plenty of Kudosprime charts that demonstrate that it's far and away the best way to achieve a high DR, compared to your actual race speed.

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Had an easy top-5 taken away by penalties 'earned' by holding my ground against the Colombian driver in the 0:00 race... so damn frustrating. Lost 8 sec in penalties due to late swerving and ill-advised squeezing attempts as he attempted to make a Ferrari work in a pack of TT's.

You need more Canadians in your lobbies haha, was in your 330 race, BabyPuncher525. We'll leave you just enough space but won't be sorry when we beat you, sorry haha.

 

[NevilleNobody]

You need more Canadians in your lobbies haha, was in your 330 race, BabyPuncher525. We'll leave you just enough space but won't be sorry when we beat you, sorry haha.

Babypuncher, what a tag, I was in that race too. AFter clinging to my DR for 3 nights and pledging to walk away as I hate severe tyre wear, i decided to try two stopping for giggles. It kinda worked the first time, i broke square anyways and at least had some fun.

But in the race we were all in I came across a REAL pain the rear driver, seen him a few times and he always, always swerves when defending and he butchered my race and I lost 2500 DR points dammit.

 

[NSP525]

Babypuncher, what a tag, I was in that race too. AFter clinging to my DR for 3 nights and pledging to walk away as I hate severe tyre wear, i decided to try two stopping for giggles. It kinda worked the first time, i broke square anyways and at least had some fun.

But in the race we were all in I came across a REAL pain the rear driver, seen him a few times and he always, always swerves when defending and he butchered my race and I lost 2500 DR points dammit.

It's a grind from the mid field, I was qualified with a 1.27.7 earlier in the week but shaved a second off that and it's made the race less chaotic as I'm usually starting near the front now instead of battling my way through. Brands is tough to pass on, would advise just throwing dummies on the outside and going for switchbacks or capitalizing on errors. 2 stop is the fastest but you need to come out in clear air and not get stuck behind someone but at least divebombs are easy on a fresh set against someone with worn tires.

 

[Groundfish]

Good morning friends,
I decided to venture in country a couple times this morning. I chose the Mustang and the M4, respectively. I was able to achieve podium finishes both times.
My strategy was M S.
The Mustang is quicker late on the softs but M4 is balanced overall. I just cants seem to settle between which cars better. M4 I just don’t get much more out on softs... There’s a ton of dr up for grabs here. In my earlier races this week I picked up spots but not much dr, since I didn’t qualify before and ran those from last. The racing’s been very clean at 99. I’ve been returning to my roots driving clean. It’s not tough in the Stang or M4, the stability is great. Just out for a Sunday drive, it’s great to feel fresh and clean...

 

[NevilleNobody]

It's a grind from the mid field, I was qualified with a 1.27.7 earlier in the week but shaved a second off that and it's made the race less chaotic as I'm usually starting near the front now instead of battling my way through. Brands is tough to pass on, would advise just throwing dummies on the outside and going for switchbacks or capitalizing on errors. 2 stop is the fastest but you need to come out in clear air and not get stuck behind someone but at least divebombs are easy on a fresh set against someone with worn tires.

I cannot pass at brands so yeah I apply pressure, hang wide and try to cut back in the hope the other guy runs wide, otherwise I am stuck.

Special place in hell for anyone who tries to pass through the two fast right handers towards the end of the lap. It is NOT going to work, ever.

 

[Groundfish]

If you can get a run up from Surtees and force your opponent into defense, you can brake a bit early and as they have entered tight and off line you can crossover and get by or it sets up to where you are inside on the next one.

Edit if you stay alongside on the outside into the turn you’re just stuck outside. It’s no good.

If you can force a guy into defense (this is jmo) at Brands it’s often best to avoid running side by side, if you can force the defense and time the move (early brake on racing line good exit). you WILL be faster and crossover, but you have to think ahead.
It’s kind of sneaky, because 95 percent of guys will expect you to go side by side, but again JMO the object is to PASS not run slowly 2x2 and let traffic catch and lose the leader...

Edit it’s sooo common at Brands for racers to get alongside but not be able to complete the move, I’d say 75 percent of the time it ends up worse for BOTH guys than if one would yield the racing line and try to setup a better attack...

 

[NSP525]

If you can get a run up from Surtees and force your opponent into defense, you can brake a bit early and as they have entered tight and off line you can crossover and get by or it sets up to where you are inside on the next one.

Edit if you stay alongside on the outside into the turn you’re just stuck outside. It’s no good.

If you can force a guy into defense (this is jmo) at Brands it’s often best to avoid running side by side, if you can force the defense and time the move (early brake on racing line good exit). you WILL be faster and crossover, but you have to think ahead.
It’s kind of sneaky, because 95 percent of guys will expect you to go side by side, but again JMO the object is to PASS not run slowly 2x2 and let traffic catch and lose the leader...

Edit it’s sooo common at Brands for racers to get alongside but not be able to complete the move, I’d say 75 percent of the time it ends up worse for BOTH guys than if one would yield the racing line and try to setup a better attack...

This is when racecraft takes over imo, I'll pull alongside or overlap slightly on the outside if I can force them to defend and not out brake myself, then it's a read of the situation and playing it cool. If they go deep it's usually a done deal, or at least you've set yourself up for the next straight and corner to secure the position.

I was out of place on the grid as far as race pace goes with my 1.27.7 was pretty much able to out brake people in the mid field because of our pace differences or just pressure them into an error but this also resulted in contact and penalties because they would be slightly slower where there was more potential or defending too hard/blocking. Once I set my 1.26.7 the racing is different when people are of similar pace, if I can keep up with them I usually just try to follow and wait for an error because without one I can't even get enough drive with the tow to put them off line usually. If I'm not losing time to whoever's behind me at brands and I'm behind someone myself I'll just follow and play the long game.

Also learned that you can change tire compounds in qualifying which I didn't know before, could explain why I've always been 1.5-2 seconds off the pace on most of these longer races all this time haha

Edit: my 1.27.7 was on mediums and once I realised I could change compounds it was much easier to find that missing second.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Good morning friends,
I decided to venture in country a couple times this morning. I chose the Mustang and the M4, respectively. I was able to achieve podium finishes both times.
My strategy was M S.
The Mustang is quicker late on the softs but M4 is balanced overall. I just cants seem to settle between which cars better. M4 I just don’t get much more out on softs... There’s a ton of dr up for grabs here. In my earlier races this week I picked up spots but not much dr, since I didn’t qualify before and ran those from last. The racing’s been very clean at 99. I’ve been returning to my roots driving clean. It’s not tough in the Stang or M4, the stability is great. Just out for a Sunday drive, it’s great to feel fresh and clean...

I got to see your BMW/M4 bumper up close... then it it got a little further away... and then we got to lap 3 and it was gone in the distance. Well done!

 

[P4man]

Also learned that you can change tire compounds in qualifying which I didn't know before, could explain why I've always been 1.5-2 seconds off the pace on most of these longer races all this time haha

I figured that out the hard way the other day. I switched to soft, then didn't realize I was running those to start in the race. Naturally my pit I "changed" to Softs. Figured it out at the finish line, lol. I should have paid more attention to things, obvs.

 

[NevilleNobody]

26.7....go away.

 

[KosmoKazi]

I figured that out the hard way the other day. I switched to soft, then didn't realize I was running those to start in the race. Naturally my pit I "changed" to Softs. Figured it out at the finish line, lol. I should have paid more attention to things, obvs.

Common mistake... I did the same for the first couple of months.

A few of keys for any newer racers here:

1) you can qualify on whichever is the better tire allowed in the race, so make sure you do.
2) you can start the race on whichever tire you want, if you go into the driving options or settings on the menu between the qualifying session and the warmup, or during the warmup.
3) you have to change the front tires first, which can be confusing... the rear tires must match the front, so if you (like me) are keyed in on the rear tires on the menu screen, you would think you can't change them... but you certainly can.

Prevailing strategy advice is that in the back of the field, run the harder/slower tire at the start because you may be blocked behind people on the first stint, who are slower, or chose the harder tire themselves.

However, I have leaned toward the softer/faster tire often because once you've lost the track position over the first stint, it's really hard to catch back up as the laps run down. And I find it's easier to not make the mistakes that allow for free positions, while others do, when you are on the more effective tire. But you have to choose what's best for you, and what works best in the types of lobbies you are racing in. It does evolve a bit as the competition gets better and the races more 'by the book' with clean driving.

 

[elston87]

Couldn't wait to get back to racing so I started up GT Sport after a few months and did Race A for a few sessions. Seven(!) clean races in a row and I finished 2nd in all seven of those races: For as much as I suck at Fuji, I like the combo. One of those races had a three-way battle for 1st place on the final lap between me and two other players, until one of those players dug in a little too deep at Coca-Cola Corner and received a Ignoring Track Limits penalty, to which they proceeded to throw their car away off of the course. Had me laughing for a bit that I almost took myself out of contention!

Didn't expect to have this many good, clean and close races on my first day back in months. Don't know if I'll be trying the other two races so I await next week's lineup. Will try Race A again later tonight to see just how radical the change in the race quality might be.

 

[Jwptexas]

I like the car/track combo, but the racers are dirty...

You're always killing it in them road cars... I found it took a REALLY long time for me to get the hang of that car almost like I had to retrain myself on the fly. Great time as usual 👍

 

[NSP525]

26.7....go away.

Was barely scraping out a 1.28 at the start of the week, Mistah MCA always has some of the best track guides weekly for the dailies and can definitely help you find where you might be losing some of that time, definitely give his YouTube channel a look if you haven't already. Once you hit top split, quali makes a world of difference usually, the midfield can be hostile and quickly relegate you back down a split and make you think you don't have the pace to be there when in reality your just playing bumper cars and not racing.

 

[KosmoKazi]

You need more Canadians in your lobbies haha, was in your 330 race, BabyPuncher525. We'll leave you just enough space but won't be sorry when we beat you, sorry haha.

I'm always good with more Canadians on the grid! Greetings from that city north of Canada (Detroit). There are a disproportionate number of fast drivers with the red and white Maple flag, and in line with stereotypical manners associated with your countrymen, usually can be relied upon to race clean and fair.

It does seem like there are a ton of fast guys from Canada, though.

And I had no fantasy about finishing on the podium at Brands when I was matched with A+ guys with 1 sec faster QT than I've been able to put together. I'm typically pretty solid there by avoiding mistakes, my only better track being Suzuka, but I can't seem to find that extra 1% pace that would have me starting further up front and keeping the podium guys in view at the end.

Good luck, see you out there again, I'm sure.

 

[NSP525]

I'm always good with more Canadians on the grid! Greetings from that city north of Canada (Detroit). There are a disproportionate number of fast drivers with the red and white Maple flag, and in line with stereotypical manners associated with your countrymen, usually can be relied upon to race clean and fair.

It does seem like there are a ton of fast guys from Canada, though.

And I had no fantasy about finishing on the podium at Brands when I was matched with A+ guys with 1 sec faster QT than I've been able to put together. I'm typically pretty solid there by avoiding mistakes, my only better track being Suzuka, but I can't seem to find that extra 1% pace that would have me starting further up front and keeping the podium guys in view at the end.

Good luck, see you out there again, I'm sure.

Always fun having good close racing IMO. Hawco left me for dead in that 330 race, there's always someone on another level from you. He towed me around for 3 laps and then just checked out the one race like it's no big deal lol, it's hard to imagine he's that much faster somehow, but he is. He was taking the softs to like lap 8 or 9 before pitting for mediums without hardly any drop off in pace. He was way faster out right and made less mistakes than me also. Not sure why his DR is down right now but he's definitely alien fast.

 

[Jwptexas]

Always fun having good close racing IMO. Hawco left me for dead in that 330 race, there's always someone on another level from you. He towed me around for 3 laps and then just checked out the one race like it's no big deal lol, it's hard to imagine he's that much faster somehow, but he is. He was taking the softs to like lap 8 or 9 before pitting for mediums without hardly any drop off in pace. He was way faster out right and made less mistakes than me also. Not sure why his DR is down right now but he's definitely alien fast.

There's always someone faster I've learned playing Sport. That guy called someone out about a week ago and got smoked each race in 1vs1 after picking the combos even guys like Deafsun got people faster than him.

 

[NSP525]

There's always someone faster I've learned playing Sport. That guy called someone out about a week ago and got smoked each race in 1vs1 after picking the combos even guys like Deafsun got people faster than him.

I find I can dominate certain race combos better than others, was kind of surprised how well I've done with the FF cars this week at brands tbh. Im always down for competition but I'm not looking for 1v1s or grudges lol. It's fun going back and forth with someone at your level if the racecraft is there and fair, sure we all make mistakes or lose our cools but that's racing also.

 

[Jwptexas]

I find I can dominate certain race combos better than others, was kind of surprised how well I've done with the FF cars this week at brands tbh. Im always down for competition but I'm not looking for 1v1s or grudges lol. It's fun going back and forth with someone at your level if the racecraft is there and fair, sure we all make mistakes or lose our cools but that's racing also.

It's definitely funny that way... some guys can drive anything fast and others like myself can't drive certain combos to save my life my A+ turns into E minus driving those open wheel GrX cars or gr1/2