"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[sturk0167]

I think the reason that LeMans track limit penalties sometimes seem mysterious is just because of how fast everything happens.
Check out this clip where I get a track limit penalty, and ruin a good lap.



It looked totally fine, didn't it?
I thought I nailed it pretty well. I was mad at PD for screwing me.
Then I looked at the game replay, frame by frame. Damn!
Yup. They were right.

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• sturk0167
• Mar 2, 2021

I am not precise enough to get it just right, at those speeds.

 

[djidane57]

The 908 is an excellent car for Lemans. It isn't the best at anything, but very good all-around. Someone in a 908 gave me a very competitive race last night. They're faster on the straights than I realized.

got the same kind of race yesterday , in my 787B i had a 908 all over my ass for the entire race , i could pull away in the straights but he got back up my ass after fast corners

I think the reason that LeMans track limit penalties sometimes seem mysterious is just because of how fast everything happens.
Check out this clip where I get a track limit penalty, and ruin a good lap.



It looked totally fine, didn't it?
I thought I nailed it pretty well. I was mad at PD for screwing me.
Then I looked at the game replay, frame by frame. Damn!
Yup. They were right.

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• sturk0167
• Mar 2, 2021

I am not precise enough to get it just right, at those speeds.

setting a good quali time at le mans is the worst experience , you care more about not getting any off track penalties than actually going fast

 

[roamingbard13]

I think the reason that LeMans track limit penalties sometimes seem mysterious is just because of how fast everything happens.
Check out this clip where I get a track limit penalty, and ruin a good lap.



It looked totally fine, didn't it?
I thought I nailed it pretty well. I was mad at PD for screwing me.
Then I looked at the game replay, frame by frame. Damn!
Yup. They were right.

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• sturk0167
• Mar 2, 2021

I am not precise enough to get it just right, at those speeds.

My bigger problem is that every track has its own set of rules for limits. If you were driving through Eau Rouge/Radillion at Spa, that's a clean run because your right tires stay on the curb. It's enough to make your head spin at times. I wish it were more consistent (even if it isn't IRL).

 

[AfraidRacer]

Put in a hell of a lap to get a 3:20.2 this afternoon, 214th in region as of now.

 

[Groundfish]

Good morning friends,

yesterday evening I made one entry at LeMans. I barely made the entry time and had not run any laps prior to entry. I was 81 sr and dr A on alt. There were about 10-12 non qualified cars on the grid. The field was odd. It was mostly D with 2-3 A B starting up a ways.
Anyways the green flag dropped and my screaming 4 rotor 787b flew by a bunch of cars on the straight. I was gaining fast on another at one of the chicanes when outta nowhere the driver slowed WAY WAY down on entry and I was unable to avoid sending him wide. I received a 3 second penalty for my transgression.
A teammate passed me and was gone never to be seen again.
I finished in third position.
KP shows my sr right now at 81, which troubles me. Apparently getting a penalty lap one negates all the green sr for the rest of the race? This concerns me.
My apologies to the car I struck.
Post race there was some bad blood between a Canadian and several drivers. I’ve raced that guy many times and he is a sneaky little turd. He will race clean but wait then dive in bounce off and ride away. Usually I see him on my way out of low SR, very annoying to deal with. Since I know he’s unpredictable if I get around him it’s elbows OUT. Elbows OUT.
(this video is golf, but it relates to racing also, when things begin to turn towards dirty play over the course of a race.)
Enjoy your day.

 

[roamingbard13]

KP shows my sr right now at 81, which troubles me. Apparently getting a penalty lap one negates all the green sr for the rest of the race? This concerns me.

CRB appears to be only good for 12 SR at Le Mans according to reports. I quit out of my race after getting merked by a tomahawk for the third straight in a row, lol. I should probably check KP.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Race B - got my qualifying time improved enough that I've been rewarded with some starts towards the front of the grid. Especially important at Spa with these brutal rolling starts. Might be race nerves or whatever but my race pace could be better. Have done enough however to get back to A rank. Remains to be seen how long I'll stay there

Spa / Group 4. I enjoy FF cars. This week, though, Jag F-Type (FR) is about 3 or 4 tenths quicker for the hot lappers. I cannot match my FF times in the Jag or any other FR car.

So, I am sticking with the FF cars and have a question.

The RCZ is the clear choice (amongst FFs) in the races and the leaderboard. I have opted for the VW Sirocco as I can get a faster time. So, FF experts, what am I missing? What should I be looking for in the RCZ? I am 4 or 5 tenths faster in the VW 2:26.7 vs 2:27.2. My 2:26.7 is not a lucky lap as I can string together 2:26 laps. I am using TCS=0 and BB+5 for both.

Sometimes, I am right and the whole world is wrong... it doesn't feel like one of those times.

 

[NevilleNobody]

If you are running sub 27's you're fast, well inside top 500. Gonna be a struggle to find much more. I am on a 27.7 so no idea where you are finding a full second on me.

I tried the GTR with 0 TC, feels fantastic, really does, but the times are poor.

 

[dlshearon]

I tried the GTR with 0 TC, feels fantastic, really does, but the times are poor.

Without the slip it seems a lot slower. Still a nice drive.

 

[Little_Guppy]

What does it matter if they start at the front or back? They’re gonna win anyways, so in reality it makes no matter at all. If you don’t like getting passed, then just get faster.

I am OK if fast, skilled and respectful players want to start at the back. That helps me because I have a better chance vs them starting at the front. So far so good.

Whether streamers or not there is a general frustration with the game in how it groups racers. One of the promises is that it groups drivers by skill and sportsmanship. That is nearly impossible when people purposely engineer lower DRs to race with lesser skilled drivers.

This is where streamers become part of the problem. They engineer the lower DRs so they can create entertainment at the cost of others. Part of the streamer entertainment is creating crashes and bad moves. It discourages new players and that is the lifeblood of the game. It is easy for an A player to pressure a D player into a bad move and that is not teaching anything. It is much more interesting for C and D players to interact and find their own footing.

I have no issue with the top streamers racing in A+/A lobbies from the back. More power to them.

To be sure, streamers are only part of the problem. That challenge is on PD to find a better solution with the right set of rewards.

 

[zavisic_]

Top 10 lap guide for daily race c with Mazda 787b. Hope you enjoy and learn something from this.

 

[RX8 Racer]

Last weeks's Gardens was good to me, as I finally claimed the 15 clean races streak achievement!

Admittedly, I was racing at midnight to avoid getting demolished by the Japanese Aliens, but every one of those 15 races was me actually racing and not just cruising at the back.

Most of the races at DTG were good, besides two races involving a very dirty driver that I suspected of seal clubbing based on his win count (154 wins last I checked) and DR/SR records. On my first encounter with him, he divebombed me and shoved me wide midway through the chicane, sending me to the back. He then tried blocking other drivers to stop them from passing him on two occasions, but got spun out both times. The latter occasion happened on the final lap, sending him to dead last with a 3 second penalty for punting someone else into the Sector 2 hairpin.

I encountered him again one day later at the exact same time slot, and immediately called him out as a dirty driver. He took it as a complement, before inexplicably calling me a 'karma rammer' even though I had nothing to do with him getting spun out twice the night before.

Sure enough, he punted me off the Sector 2 hairpin on lap 1, but the resulting 3 second penalty would put him behind me. With me out of reach, he resumed his blocking antics before karma struck again as he crashed into the final hairpin's apex and rage quitted.




With the resulting SR hit likely to separate me from him for the next race, I went in again and encountered R4M_Punt4Justice, whom I had a good race with. Admittedly, he was off the pace on lap 1, going wide out of turn 1 and holding me up into the chicane and through the Sector 2 esses.

He was able to give me a good fight after warming up though, and we traded places from each others' mistakes. On lap 4, our battle for 2nd suddenly became a fight for the win as the leading RCZ completely bins it out of the chicane from a commanding lead and quitted.



R4M_Punt4Justice took the lead with me close behind. However, I had noticed on the previous laps that he was inconsistent through the chicane. Sure enough, he hits the sausage kerb exiting the chicane on the final lap and gets thrown wide, handing me the lead.

After that, it was a matter of controlling the race pace and the inside line into the final hairpin for me to take the win.

 

[OutsiderC]

Group 4 FF is my sweet spot. I do better, by several metrics, especially when paired with certain tracks. Like anything, when you like it more, you work at it more.

Unfortunately, it comes at a cost. I have barely done any laps at Sarthe/Gr1, another favorite combo.

Same here. I can only drive 2 racing cars (TT and RCZ) and be competitive (sometimes) in DR A. That really sucks, no Gr 3/2/1 and because PD is breaking the penalty system with every change I don't race street cars anymore, even when I do my best Q based un kudos prime stats.

I wish I can learn how to drive other cars, no success so far in 8 months playing.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Race B tonight as I do not know my way round la sarthe. Its a jag, McLaren, rcz and tt fest. As with all MR cars, I can cobble together a qualy lap in the 650 but its edgy stuff and no way i could race in that thing.

The jag has been my go to group 4 for a long time and it's very good at spa. I ran a 27.7, thats about all I have, maybe 27.5 if I am perfect. That gets one top 5 in SB rooms.

Having trouble with the double left hander mid lap, not sure if I am braking too late or early but my apex speed is low and I am losing 3 tenths to peers through there.

The double left hander/Pouhon/Double Gauche. For FF cars, experiment with not downshifting from 5th to 4th staying in 5th through both turns - it is hard but is worth 2 or 3 tenths. Target minimum speed no lower than 165 kph and aim for 170 kph. Be full on the throttle by the second turn. The curbs at Spa are odd/nice and will bounce/reflect you back onto the course if you hit them laterally and gently. They will punish you if you go over them laterally.

The most critical turn is Stavelot/Campus. I have set a target "exit" speed of 147 kph measured by the orange wall marker on the right, half way between Campus and Paul Frere. I have learned that the minimum corner speed is not the best metric but rather the exit speed 50 m after the corner is a better indicator that you executed the corner optimally.

My experience is based on the FF car gear ratios but pretty sure the same applied for the F-Type.

Edit 1: By the way, the exit speed metric... Ross Bentley's book "Ultimate Speed Secrets" - chapter 1. cc' @Groundfish.

Edit 2: removed the statement about not braking on Pouhon entry. You need to brake.

 

[Sean YZF]

Enjoying Le Mans this week so far. Started in the Toyota 050 to remind myself which way the track goes and it's such an easy car to drive, notched up a win early in the day then switched to the Mazda 787B, managed another win. Using 5 M 1 H. Going to try a few other cars today starting with the Mercedes C9, it looks good on paper.

Getting loads of disconnects tonight, Tuesday, UK.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Same here. I can only drive 2 racing cars (TT and RCZ) and be competitive (sometimes) in DR A. That really sucks, no Gr 3/2/1 and because PD is breaking the penalty system with every change I don't race street cars anymore, even when I do my best Q based un kudos prime stats.

I wish I can learn how to drive other cars, no success so far in 8 months playing.

Let's make a pact! DR be dammed and let's race those other cars.

I concentrate on Group 4 during Group 4 weeks if the combo is right. Last week I drove RBR/Gr 2 and got my a$$ handed to me. Ditto a month ago at Spa/Gr1. Each week I learn something new and can apply it to other combos. My experience in Gr 1 (brake modulation) has made me a better FF Group 4 driver.

 

[roamingbard13]

The double left hander/Pouhon/Double Gauche. Lift no braking - just level setting. Experiment with not downshifting from 5th to 4th staying in 5th through both turns - it is hard but is worth 2 or 3 tenths. Target minimum speed no lower than 165 kph and aim for 170 kph. Be full on the throttle by the second turn. The curbs at Spa are odd/nice and will bounce/reflect you back onto the course if you hit them laterally and gently. They will punish you if you go over them laterally.

The most critical turn is Stavelot/Campus. I have set a target "exit" speed of 147 kph measured by the orange wall marker on the right, half way between Campus and Paul Frere. I have learned that the minimum corner speed is not the best metric but rather the exit speed 50 m after the corner is a better indicator that you executed the corner optimally.

My experience is based on the FF car gear ratios but pretty sure the same applied for the F-Type.

Re: Pouhon -- I haven't tried just lifting in the jag, but you definitely want to be slower than you think you need to. You should be able to get on the gas before the the middle of the corner. If you try to carry too much speed through the first apex, you can't get on the gas early enough to get a fast exit.

Little Guppy has got some pace this week. I'm impressed. I need to run a couple of laps in the FF cars. (I imagine though, that since I am not a FF expert, that I'll be faster in the jag).


EDIT:

Other funny note from me this week -- Spa Gr 4 is a pretty solid combo for me, so I ran a few dailies last night and gained another 1500 DR on the main, and then promptly remembered that I don't want anymore DR for FIA. Those guys are actually fast, lol.

 

[05XR8]

I got my fastest qualifying lap in the Alpine VGT nothing special only 3.30.7 but it was 3 seconds faster than my previous. Having tried it in a couple of races it chews tyres or at least it does the way I drive so I can't really run it too well over race distance.

I was doing good. Started a couple places behind pennanton. A 787B catches me, but the user can't control the thjng. Slows us up. I get away from it after it goes off. My tyres were still fresh, but my car goes underneath me, at Indianapolis. Car didn't fishtail entering Indianapolis and I wasn't doing anything different. Anyway, I spun.

Tyres are worn, but I pressed on. Still pulling away from the cars behind. Alpine pulls away from the hybrids at about 250km/h.
A fresh tyres hybrid is catching me . However, when it catches and passes me, it had pitted Lap 2 for RMs. So, its tyres were wearing around Lap 4. I passed it and pulled away.

Once I pitted and the fiasco happened, I was in 7th. I caught back up to the hybrid. Passed it and pulled away while nearly catching a 962C at the final chicane. Fell to 16/16 1:44.xxx.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Enjoying Le Mans this week so far. Started in the Toyota 050 to remind myself which way the track goes and it's such an easy car to drive, notched up a win early in the day then switched to the Mazda 787B, managed another win. Using 5 M 1 H. Going to try a few other cars today starting with the Mercedes C9, it looks good on paper.

Getting loads of disconnects tonight, Tuesday, UK.

I was in the race you won with the 787B, I had been running that car all morning but decided to drive the evil Prius for a change. That was a mistake. I lost 7 spots in that race due to a blocker/brake checker in another Toyota and then got rammed right off at Maison Blanche by a Sauber..
But got a better race after in the ,787.
Lowered my QT in the Jaguar so am planning to run that later on.

 

[Tigerhawk87]

Spa / Group 4. I enjoy FF cars. This week, though, Jag F-Type (FR) is about 3 or 4 tenths quicker for the hot lappers. I cannot match my FF times in the Jag or any other FR car.

So, I am sticking with the FF cars and have a question.

The RCZ is the clear choice in the races and the leaderboard. I have opted for the VW Sirocco as I can get a faster time. So, FF experts, what am I missing? What should I be looking for in the RCZ? I am 4 or 5 tenths faster in the VW 2:26.7 vs 2:27.2. My 2:26.7 is not a lucky lap as I can string together 2:26 laps. I am using TCS=0 and BB+5 for both.

Sometimes, I am right and the whole world is wrong... it doesn't feel like one of those times.

I should try a few laps in the RCZ and see what happens. Been exclusively Jag this week for fear of disrupting my rhythm before the Manu race

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Same here. I can only drive 2 racing cars (TT and RCZ) and be competitive (sometimes) in DR A. That really sucks, no Gr 3/2/1 and because PD is breaking the penalty system with every change I don't race street cars anymore, even when I do my best Q based un kudos prime stats.

I wish I can learn how to drive other cars, no success so far in 8 months playing.

I have raced the RCZ quite a lot and I have won at Spa in the Gr4 last time we had the daily race here. I'm working on breaking free of my habit of choosing the same few cars which is hard when you are comfortable driving them. Recently I have stared to look at the top times and try the cars I have never used. The Mazda is top today and I never ever used the car so I tried it out and have taken nearly a second of my RCZ time I set last night, now I have only done about 3 laps in both and could probably do a faster time in RCZ than I had but the same could be said in the Mazda. I will do a few races later today if I can stay away from Race C for a bit.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Gonna pull a bit of a @Brown TE37s here...
I really hate grinding in this game so I never have much money, but I have 1 mil now. Should I buy the Peugeot 908? Any better choices? @GTR Racer 5 says the R18 11 is good too, kinda conflicted about that too. I have the '16 LMPs and all 5 Group Cs.
This is a serious question btw.

A VGT will complete the set. Mazda LM55 is the one I have. I found it better than the META Nismo '92 at Sarthe no Chicane.

I linked a discussion on Gr 1 cars by @LeGeNd-1 (Apr 3, 2020)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/best-gr-1-all-round-car.392971/#post-13060974

 

[Redneckchef]

Had a decent outing last night breaking in the 787b. Got a win and some top 5s. Did also run into @pennanton running the long boy from the back of the qualifiers. The challenge being that if he beats you you'll have to uninstall the game. All good fun as a joke but it was good seeing the mix of cars out there and seeing the GT-R LM still challenging people and keeping em honest.
Still enjoying the combo even with a few bumps and punts. Most have seemed to be by accident.

 

[OutsiderC]

Let's make a pact! DR be dammed and let's race those other cars.

I concentrate on Group 4 during Group 4 weeks if the combo is right. Last week I drove RBR/Gr 2 and got my a$$ handed to me. Ditto a month ago at Spa/Gr1. Each week I learn something new and can apply it to other combos. My experience in Gr 1 (brake modulation) has made me a better FF Group 4 driver.

Sure. DR is not a problem, is a game, the main issue is to be soooo slow that I do not enjoy racing. I did lot of races starting 9/10/whatever and is fine as long as I can go between the track in a decent speed, because when you are really slow you end up affecting others drivers.

 

[NevilleNobody]

The double left hander/Pouhon/Double Gauche. Lift no braking - just level setting. Experiment with not downshifting from 5th to 4th staying in 5th through both turns - it is hard but is worth 2 or 3 tenths. Target minimum speed no lower than 165 kph and aim for 170 kph. Be full on the throttle by the second turn. The curbs at Spa are odd/nice and will bounce/reflect you back onto the course if you hit them laterally and gently. They will punish you if you go over them laterally.

The most critical turn is Stavelot/Campus. I have set a target "exit" speed of 147 kph measured by the orange wall marker on the right, half way between Campus and Paul Frere. I have learned that the minimum corner speed is not the best metric but rather the exit speed 50 m after the corner is a better indicator that you executed the corner optimally.
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Wait so you don't brake for Pouhon? Really? It's a tricky corner, run a touch wide and you are doomed, brake too much and you lose time, you really don't brake? Damn.

I am half decent through Campus, that's the key corner, get it right and you can take Stavelot easily flat.

 

[Sean YZF]

I was in the race you won with the 787B, I had been running that car all morning but decided to drive the evil Prius for a change. That was a mistake. I lost 7 spots in that race due to a blocker/brake checker in another Toyota and then got rammed right off at Maison Blanche by a Sauber..
But got a better race after in the ,787.
Lowered my QT in the Jaguar so am planning to run that later on.

Aye, was surprised you were running the Toyota, that was my 1st race in the 787. I had been running the Toyota to familiarize myself with the track. I was a tad worried you went off due to my breaking point. I got lucky for that win, ha.
Enjoying this combination, with fuel rate it really opens up choice of cars that are competitive

 

[Little_Guppy]

Wait so you don't brake for Pouhon? Really? It's a tricky corner, run a touch wide and you are doomed, brake too much and you lose time, you really don't brake? Damn.

I am half decent through Campus, that's the key corner, get it right and you can take Stavelot easily flat.

Mistake. Yes brake at Pouhon. Sorry. Stay in 5th gear. That part is correct for FF cars.

The F-type top lappers *ARE* downshifting to 4th.

 

[Groundfish]

Edit 1: By the way, the exit speed metric... Ross Bentley's book "Ultimate Speed Secrets" - chapter 1. cc' @Groundfish.

I like to, like at end of Conrod at Bathurst or into braking turn 1 Interlagos check max speed attained, when qualifying. (End of long straight)
If you switch cars much and use manual helps to check shift points.

 

[OJBrit]

Last weeks's Gardens was good to me, as I finally claimed the 15 clean races streak achievement!

Admittedly, I was racing at midnight to avoid getting demolished by the Japanese Aliens, but every one of those 15 races was me actually racing and not just cruising at the back.

Most of the races at DTG were good, besides two races involving a very dirty driver that I suspected of seal clubbing based on his win count (154 wins last I checked) and DR/SR records. On my first encounter with him, he divebombed me and shoved me wide midway through the chicane, sending me to the back. He then tried blocking other drivers to stop them from passing him on two occasions, but got spun out both times. The latter occasion happened on the final lap, sending him to dead last with a 3 second penalty for punting someone else into the Sector 2 hairpin.

I encountered him again one day later at the exact same time slot, and immediately called him out as a dirty driver. He took it as a complement, before inexplicably calling me a 'karma rammer' even though I had nothing to do with him getting spun out twice the night before.

Sure enough, he punted me off the Sector 2 hairpin on lap 1, but the resulting 3 second penalty would put him behind me. With me out of reach, he resumed his blocking antics before karma struck again as he crashed into the final hairpin's apex and rage quitted.




With the resulting SR hit likely to separate me from him for the next race, I went in again and encountered R4M_Punt4Justice, whom I had a good race with. Admittedly, he was off the pace on lap 1, going wide out of turn 1 and holding me up into the chicane and through the Sector 2 esses.

He was able to give me a good fight after warming up though, and we traded places from each others' mistakes. On lap 4, our battle for 2nd suddenly became a fight for the win as the leading RCZ completely bins it out of the chicane from a commanding lead and quitted.



R4M_Punt4Justice took the lead with me close behind. However, I had noticed on the previous laps that he was inconsistent through the chicane. Sure enough, he hits the sausage kerb exiting the chicane on the final lap and gets thrown wide, handing me the lead.

After that, it was a matter of controlling the race pace and the inside line into the final hairpin for me to take the win.

Congrats on the win. Obviously their name is very apt. I wonder if I can contact the Government to not give that Hong Konger a Visa?

Had a decent outing last night breaking in the 787b. Got a win and some top 5s. Did also run into @pennanton running the long boy from the back of the qualifiers. The challenge being that if he beats you you'll have to uninstall the game. All good fun as a joke but it was good seeing the mix of cars out there and seeing the GT-R LM still challenging people and keeping em honest.
Still enjoying the combo even with a few bumps and punts. Most have seemed to be by accident.

I'd quit the lobby rather than face that challenge.

 

[pennanton]

Once I pitted and the fiasco happened, I was in 7th. I caught back up to the hybrid. Passed it and pulled away while nearly catching a 962C at the final chicane. Fell to 16/16 1:44.xxx.

Deadset did the same thing as you, wasn't paying attention and just quickly hit X on the first tyre option. I usually go harder compound first in these races so just instinctively went medium. I do agree it should just put the other mandatory compound you haven't used first.

Did also run into @pennanton running the long boy from the back of the qualifiers. The challenge being that if he beats you you'll have to uninstall the game. All good fun as a joke but it was good seeing the mix of cars out there and seeing the GT-R LM still challenging people and keeping em honest.

It's probably been well said already: It's such a bafflingly bad car.

For some reason (Well, I know why) the car is fantastic through Porsche Curves but awful by some margin everywhere else. It's absurd. The car was designed for one job at one track and it can only do a 20 second section of a 3 and a half minute lap well. It's the definition of a solution to a problem no one ever had.

Was sorta fun tho.