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WestSideMike
I used to be a fan of this track for running hot laps, but got really sick of racing folks through that chicane.
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That is where you judge the risks, from my experience most racers power in and then wait for the cries immediately afterwards
when they get the dread penalty for hitting the wall/shortcut.

If a car is side by side it's far easier to hit the brake and pick up the pieces afterwards when they goof up.
 
darth_tails
That is where you judge the risks, from my experience most racers power in and then wait for the cries immediately afterwards
when they get the dread penalty for hitting the wall/shortcut.

If a car is side by side it's far easier to hit the brake and pick up the pieces afterwards when they goof up.
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Oh I hear ya! Just got sick of trying to race clean and fair and getting screwed because of some idiot that doesn't know how/when to lift lol
 
darth_tails
Which car were you using out of interest?
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Started with the Veyron. 6th gear through the bus stop with your eyes closed - how I missed the adrenaline! !

Optimum time says there is another half second to be found
 
2clicks
I was mostly talking about 'playing the game properly' with regards to DR, not SR. I admit that I was kind of giving myself the benefit of the doubt by saying that finishing as low as 8th is okay, since only finishing in the top 5 is what constitutes a positive DR accrual. What you say about SR I can't answer unfortunately, as there has been races where I've achieved a star for clean racing yet have seen my SR letter in red come the post-race menu. Their system is either damaged or they haven't given us the full story of how SR is gauged..
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Kie25 is mostly racing against A+ or S drivers, so he won't lose any DR finishing in the midfield. If you're up against A, B, C and D divers, you have to be first or second to gain, otherwise you drop points.

Alpha Cipher
Fair point. Divebombs are indeed not dirty moves if done correctly. Look at Ricciardo, arguably the poster boy of excellent divebombs. The problem I see though is that in Sport mode, divebombs are often done incorrectly and only reach an overlap once turn-in is achieved, which is beyond the entry of the corner. Perhaps I was too general with my earlier statement

I can say though that regardless of whether contact is made or not, he only got an overlap once they started turning in
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Problem is, for a divebomb to work the guy being overtaken has to give space as well. It takes two to tango, and if he just closes the door you both will lose time.
 
Boedefeld
Problem is, for a divebomb to work the guy being overtaken has to give space as well. It takes two to tango, and if he just closes the door you both will lose time.
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Exactly this. I rarely resort to divebombing because of this. I only go for it when i know the driver in front of me knows what he is doing and when i think i can do it while still making the apex on the inside.

Perfect example of me pulling a divebomb and the guy in front reacting exactly how he should.

Lap 3 T4 Interlagos at 03:25
 
Shottah072
Exactly this. I rarely resort to divebombing because of this. I only go for it when i know the driver in front of me knows what he is doing and when i think i can do it while still making the apex on the inside.

Perfect example of me pulling a divebomb and the guy in front reacting exactly how he should.

Lap 3 T4 Interlagos at 03:25
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Lap 2 turn 4 is nearly identical to the previous divebomb except the GT driver had the good sense to wait for it and do a cutback.

Part of me thinks that in these situations its 50/50, not always, but divebombs are always going to happen but there was nowt wrong with your divebomb because the other driver was aware.
 
Shottah072
Exactly this. I rarely resort to divebombing because of this. I only go for it when i know the driver in front of me knows what he is doing and when i think i can do it while still making the apex on the inside.

Perfect example of me pulling a divebomb and the guy in front reacting exactly how he should.

Lap 3 T4 Interlagos at 03:25
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The art of the dive is making it stick, if you go in a bit lighter you can still get the dive but hold the inside line and successfully defend the inside without blocking. even with better exit speed and an open lane the other driver has little chance to pass you on the outside.

nice racing though.
 
So close to a 2:03 with the NSX but that little drop on the downhill part of the track gets me loose every time. :mad:
 
Boedefeld
Problem is, for a divebomb to work the guy being overtaken has to give space as well. It takes two to tango, and if he just closes the door you both will lose time
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Fully agree with you
rono_thomas
Lap 2 turn 4 is nearly identical to the previous divebomb except the GT driver had the good sense to wait for it and do a cutback.

Part of me thinks that in these situations its 50/50, not always, but divebombs are always going to happen but there was nowt wrong with your divebomb because the other driver was aware.
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I'd argue that the point in which overlap was achieved was different as well. If you compare the two videos, the cockpit view replay guy was only able to achieve overlap when the Ford GT in front of him was already turning in. Shottah's divebomb was much more clinical and achieved overlap when they're still under braking. This gives the other driver enough time to realize that there's something going on his side and react, which is to give space and cutback
 
rono_thomas
Lap 2 turn 4 is nearly identical to the previous divebomb except the GT driver had the good sense to wait for it and do a cutback.

Part of me thinks that in these situations its 50/50, not always, but divebombs are always going to happen but there was nowt wrong with your divebomb because the other driver was aware.
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Thats why it takes 2 to tango. It would probably have ended in drama if he didnt react accordingly. So good driving from him and a bit of a dick move from me this time. We were battling a couple races though and he was A+ and driving clean and fast so i knew i could race him a little harder then normal.

But i agree on divebombing. Most of the time its likely to go wrong because you have to make it stick and trust the car in front to see it coming and not mess up as well. Its always a high risk move. And we all have been on the receiving end as well.

 
rono_thomas
Whilst perusing youtube this morning I stumbled across the following video, scumbag! What did I get a penalty for?? Some choice quotes :lol:



(This is not me :D. It is an old video)
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I've seen this one before. That dude is entertaining. :lol:
 
Alpha Cipher
Fully agree with you

I'd argue that the point in which overlap was achieved was different as well. If you compare the two videos, the cockpit view replay guy was only able to achieve overlap when the Ford GT in front of him was already turning in. Shottah's divebomb was much more clinical and achieved overlap when they're still under braking. This gives the other driver enough time to realize that there's something going on his side and react, which is to give space and cutback
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Yea I wasn't trying to make one more legitimate than the other. But critically the overlap when achieved is what makes it a clean or dirty move. Hopefully we will get an outside view of the incident.

Shottah072
Thats why it takes 2 to tango. It would probably have ended in drama if he didnt react accordingly. So good driving from him and a bit of a dick move from me this time. We were battling a couple races though and he was A+ and driving clean and fast so i knew i could race him a little harder then normal.

But i agree on divebombing. Most of the time its likely to go wrong because you have to make it stick and trust the car in front to see it coming and not mess up as well. Its always a high risk move. And we all have been on the receiving end as well.

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DRS needed to create an overspeed ;)
 
Shottah072
Perfect example of me pulling a divebomb and the guy in front reacting exactly how he should.
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You call that a dive bomb. I call that a good pass :p. I use chase view and the radar, so no mirror. The dive bombers in my races come from further back. You don't see them on the radar till it's too late. They come in too fast for you to really react to, and usually push you to the outside in the process.

After days of fighting with the F1 Merc I decided to take a brake and chase the Dragon. After doing what I thought was a pretty reasonable qualifying lap in the NSX, I found myself P13/16. That's last place for the qualifiers. I know it's not the car, there was another NSX in P3 and the grid was all DR/C except for a lone B.

Race starts and we get to the chicane. Things were reasonably civil. I had a guy on the outside of me and I eased off a hair so I could tighten up a bit to give him some room, so we went side by side through the chicane. I was doing ok till the bus stop. I had been nailing this during qualy, but during the race? No :scared:. Slammed into the wall on the exit. I pushed on. By this stage I wasn't so much racing as driving. Eventually I managed to catch up to the back and make up some places, but an overly exuberant Ferrari getting carried away with the extra speed he was carrying and found my rear bumper a useful way to slow down:crazy:. I did a good impression of Stig Blomqvist (the only Stig that matters) and dropped any places I'd made up. In the end I finished P14. A bit disappointed.

SR unchanged ( I thought last time I raced it dropped to 95, but apparently not.). DR dropped about 850.

A bit disheartened I qualified with the Viper and started P12. Because I dropped DR but maintained SR, the grid was a mix of DR/C and D. For the past couple of months I've had more reasonable matches when my SR has been maxed, so for the people who ask "why worry about SR/DR? " that's why :p.

The start was a little more chaotic but I managed somehow. I just didn't seem to be in the groove, maybe because I haven't raced online for a while. DTS is usually kinder to me. I haven't noticed a dramatic difference with the new tyre model, but maybe I'm just too crap to notice :lol:.

Made some mistakes. Lost a few places, gained a few places. Finished P12.

Another 500 DR down, SR the same. Still holidaying in sunny DR/C, but it's looking like the vacation will be over soon :rolleyes:.
 
Invisigoth
You call that a dive bomb. I call that a good pass :p.
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Haha it was a divebomb for me because even though i was close there was little to no overlap before braking and i just pulled allong under braking. My rule of thumb is that when there is no overlap i dont go for a move on the inside. This one was on the limit for me, if i were just a little more behind i'd probably just pulled back behind him.
 
Where can I see the fastest time I have done at a track, showing track time and the car used ?

Anyone ?

Victoria H
...and some asshat punts me offtrack because apparently it would hurt his ego to lose a battle for the 9th place against a girl.
Idiot.
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Welcome to reality !
Joke aside, there will be enjoyable races as well. Not sure what ST you are on, but it should improve when you get up to SR S.
 
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What's the race A car this week?
 
Is anyone as disappointed in the 250 as I am?

The only thing it has is looks in spades and a nice interior. The sound is not great, neither is the handling and driving it is not much of an experience.
Maybe Brands isn't the right track for it.
On the up side, at least we don't have to pay to find out what we think!

For the record I was expecting something a little more like the XJ13, the only other 20m car I have driven.
 
Shottah072
Haha it was a divebomb for me because even though i was close there was little to no overlap before braking and i just pulled allong under braking. My rule of thumb is that when there is no overlap i dont go for a move on the inside. This one was on the limit for me, if i were just a little more behind i'd probably just pulled back behind him.
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I fully agree with this, If you don't have at least a little overlap before braking, chances are the car in front will perform a late block by taking a diagonal line to the apex which means you're going to hit him.

I prefer braking in time so I can still hug the inside instead of risking a cut back going wrong from the car on the outside. I race far more DR.B drivers than A+ though. Usually it's enough to make the car in front think you're going to out brake them. I just get a little to the inside to brake out of his slipstream then pull behind again right before corner entry. Yet often the car in front panics, brakes later than he should and goes wide, works for me.


Cerebral303
Is anyone as disappointed in the 250 as I am?

The only thing it has is looks in spades and a nice interior. The sound is not great, neither is the handling and driving it is not much of an experience.
Maybe Brands isn't the right track for it.
On the up side, at least we don't have to pay to find out what we think!

For the record I was expecting something a little more like the XJ13, the only other 20m car I have driven.
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I paid 20 million for that car and now everyone gets to drive it? :mad: And I probably still won't drive it as Bathurst > Brands! (I likely will as a diversion or after a disconnect)
 
Sven Jurgens
I paid 20 million for that car and now everyone gets to drive it? :mad: And I probably still won't drive it as Bathurst > Brands! (I likely will as a diversion or after a disconnect)
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Only for one week. :)

After Sunday you will be back to one of the few who owns it. 👍
 
According to wikipedia. There are 39 x 250 Gran Turismo Omologatas. Cost $18,500 new in 1962-64. It's considered the most expensive car. Last auctioned for around $70 million.

There's 12 for loan at Brands Hatch. Combined estimated value of $840 million. :lol:
 
If anyone wondered, 250 is on sport soft this week :cheers:

Edit: just got clean race bonus while getting punted completely off the track twice (race A) AND getting 0,5s penalty for cutting the track. Even got blue S lol.
 
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Litchi
That's what I do.

Currently in the 37.4, I think it's not so bad using only 2 gears lol

EDIT: Here is my lap (green in 3rd and red in 4th)
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Ah, so you must be winding the gears out pretty much. I know in the races I was in with you you were stretching the lead well. I'll have to watch your replay as I was briefly going to 5th on the straights. But that hesitation during shifts really costs you time. My problem was with the standing start, I never got it figured out. I tried with TC1 and slightly revving the engine and would still just spin the tires. What is the secret? :confused: I started on pole for a few races but everyone just flies by at the start. I should have saved a race replay to watch what others did but I forgot.
 
Is anybody using the 458 in race B today? I've not raced but I'm pulling 1.46.7xx in qually (still a touch rusty but getting there).
 
Didn't do online races for months. Didn't wait any positive change after the update regarding the tinkering about the penalty system.
Didn't understand why you all about "divebombing" and no mention of "outbraking". (I'm not native english, I may be wrong if I think that the proper pass on the inside is done with outbraking, while the violent nose-in forcing the one on the racing line going wide and/or using the opponent's car to keep mine in is divebombing. Regardless if I brag that "I left room" - after I lost the unnecessary speed on the opponent's side panels.)

Now I made a test, joined 3 "B" races, and now I understand. In PD's world divebombing gets legality, it became more usual, no consequences, unless the violent on the inside bounces back to the armco, because in this occasion the one on the normal racing line gets a big penalty and a massive SR loss. Nice.👍
(Well done PD, congratulations.
Not.)

The "new tyre model" (where 2 size difference in the rims / tyre sidewalls has still no effect :lol:) is working good, however. Feels better.

And to totally steal my enthusiasm, on my 1st race I met gtp_somebody who was sympathetically greeted the lobby with a "Veyron championship" from his Ferrari, then made some oh-so-wonderfully-and-legally-performed divebombs. In my 2nd race he was there with the same Veyron as the others...
All this scene is changing slowly and I'm sad about it. But if the mass "market" likes it and can have fun, then it is successful.
I wish more fun to the actives and huge respect to all of you who can keep fair and behave properly on a track behind a wheel, even if both are just virtual.:cheers:
 
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Had a crack at race a, qualified 5th made it up to p4 and was setting purple sectors chasing down a podium as p2 or p3 had a penalty from turn one...

But then pushing to hard I spin out going through the right handed onto the GP circuit... ****ed it... but managed to finish within a tenth of p5.... but I still got a red s... got no penalties and only made contact with anyone at turn one
 
All 3 races are enjoyable this week in my opinion.
 
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