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What is the racing like in Race C (Red Bull Ring) for this week, is it easy to gain DR/SR?

I've hit rock bottom again this morning as had to rage quit a Mini race due to being rammed constantly affecting my SR/DR and then had
a disconnect during a race so my DR is back down to a pathetic 1950, SR is 44 points which is okay (B) but should I just bite the bullet
and loose it all and reset or try to race through the pack to get my points back?

First time in a while I've been rock bottom but it's beginning to frustrate me again as seems impossible to get out of SR B trap.
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Sorry mate I feel your pain, but 1950 is not rock bottom. I don't play as much as I'd like, perhaps a 30 min to 1 hour session every couple of nights if even so it takes me a long period in real time to get anywhere on rankings. I was a constant SR/S for near 30 days of play (probably 90 days in real time) until one crazy night dumped me to SR/C @ 32 points (was on 8,000 DR points at the time so high DR/C SR/S at the time). I tried racing carefully but competitively and just could not get SR back. A Daily B gets you 6 points if run 100% clean. 1 small rub loses 3 points. 2 rubs = no increase in SR. Try racing in SR/C “rub" free while being anywhere near another car. Eventually on the Daily B started this week I gave up and did not qualify so as to start at the back. Then I give a 30 sec lead to the 2nd last car and time trial 4 laps. I still catch other cars, some look like drunk drivers, some are just slower cars, some are the backwash of dumb ass moves. I've had to hit the brakes at times and sit on the track waiting for them to drive on so I can make it around "rub" free. I actually moved off the racing line and out of the way of a car last night that had gone a mile off track and I still managed to lose 3 SR points because it hit me in the rear coming back up the field...I slowed, put hazards on and moved off the bloody racing line...and he still hits me. Anyway, a few races later I’m SR/A and on the way back to S but a whopping 400 DR points.

My fear is that when I get to SR/S again I’ll work on DR but SR points are so easily lost and so difficult to gain I’ll become too protective in my driving, afraid to make any move, not defending a position and stop enjoying actually racing. That or join the crazy gang and just start racing GT Demolition Derby.
 
Sven Jurgens
Haha yeah that was quite the shock when I went back to GT League last week and sat waiting in the gravel to be put back on the track after hitting the spinning out AI out that refused to ghost. :lol:



It probably will be as I'll be driving with a massive lag advantage in the middle of EU's night time.
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GTS can actually smooth out the lag :)
It just jitters around when the player in question has an extreme case of lag- as in 300-400 ping bad
 
Last night I shut my PS4 down instead of putting it into sleep mode. I managed to get a Race A in. Again the results were not as I had hoped. I qualified P8, which got moved to P7 at race start, with a few dropped from the list. Fair enough, figured I'd just potter around anyway, my quali time was pretty crap in the mini.

Race starts and I passed a few people caught napping at the standing start. All in all I was doing ok keeping it on the track, but no clean race bonus, so I must have breached track limits somewhere. I also discovered that you get an orange SR even if you don't make contact if a car leaves track limits trying to avoid you!

SR sadly didn't move, DR down about 500. Just waiting in the que for race C to see if I make it past the "preparing track" screen :scared:.
 
Sven Jurgens
It probably will be as I'll be driving with a massive lag advantage in the middle of EU's night time.
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I only have a EU account so not sure how GTS handles it but on iRacing I raced people from all over the world and as long as they have decent internet connections it's not that bad and you can still have good races. Might be worth a try.

Had a go at Race C yesterday.

 
Shottah072
I only have a EU account so not sure how GTS handles it but on iRacing I raced people from all over the world and as long as they have decent internet connections it's not that bad and you can still have good races. Might be worth a try.

Had a go at Race C yesterday.

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Lovely overtake for the win :gtpflag:
 
Invisigoth
Last night I shut my PS4 down instead of putting it into sleep mode. I managed to get a Race A in. Again the results were not as I had hoped. I qualified P8, which got moved to P7 at race start, with a few dropped from the list. Fair enough, figured I'd just potter around anyway, my quali time was pretty crap in the mini.

Race starts and I passed a few people caught napping at the standing start. All in all I was doing ok keeping it on the track, but no clean race bonus, so I must have breached track limits somewhere. I also discovered that you get an orange SR even if you don't make contact if a car leaves track limits trying to avoid you!

SR sadly didn't move, DR down about 500. Just waiting in the que for race C to see if I make it past the "preparing track" screen :scared:.
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Perhaps it was a yellow flag? I've gotten orange SR's in T1 RBR without any contact. With half the field crashed into each other the yellow flag keeps flashing on and off and it's impossible to tell who you can and can not pass while making the corner cleanly. At least the time penalties seem to be gone for yellow flags.


Shottah072
I only have a EU account so not sure how GTS handles it but on iRacing I raced people from all over the world and as long as they have decent internet connections it's not that bad and you can still have good races. Might be worth a try.

Had a go at Race C yesterday.

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Sure it works and in your benefit as well. When you have lag your car will push other cars out of the way for you without it happening on your side. You get spared the SR loss while your car creates an opening on the other console. The more lag, the more fast in, dives and inside overtakes start paying off. Fast exits will become harder though as when you are following a car they will appear to late accelerate or 'stall' on your side blocking your exit. Lag doesn't suit my racing style.

It was funny when my ISP was acting up. Downstream was fine, upstream was red, sometimes so bad cars simply flew out of the way when I got near. never getting a penalty for lag punting. The best way to cheat in GT Sport is get a lag switch that can delay your upload by 200 ms or more while leaving your download data untouched.

Lol at everyone missing T1 completely! The red and green painted areas should be like Suzuka's green zones. Good race!

Alpha Cipher
GTS can actually smooth out the lag :)
It just jitters around when the player in question has an extreme case of lag- as in 300-400 ping bad
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Since the last update I see a lot more people with green ping jumping around, having green ping myself. The faster the cars the more they jump around of course. Plus every race there seems to be the red connection I get stuck behind. (Moving up from the back, any bad lag player will be the road block stopping your progress)
 
Invisigoth
I also discovered that you get an orange SR even if you don't make contact if a car leaves track limits trying to avoid you!
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Really? No, like...really? Perhaps the "Yello Flag" @sven Jurgens mentions? I have had bonkers Orange SR's though:

I got an orange SR flag coming into the first corner on Dragons Trail Gardens (Daily B last week). I overtook a car on the straight. Clean move, no "dooring" and I went ahead he tucked in behind. Looking at the replay from my car and from the other I could not see the infraction but still got a penalty. The only thing I could imagine was that we both held speed into the corner, me trying to make the move stick and him tucking into the draft that and getting so close behind me on the turn that we didn't feel any impact but the game picked up an over lap in the two car's hit bubble. The bigger loss for me was the distraction while driving and trying not to laugh in despair.
 
Well, I managed to do Race C as well. I did the Sven thing and started up the back, mainly because I'm still very unsure of the track and how it and the NSX get along.

Race starts and my first penalty... false start :lol:! That's a new one for me, I've never gotten penalised for having my foot on the throttle before the count down. From there I just focused on trying to make my fuel last and not end up in the sand. I went up 3 positions.

DR went down another 500. One more loss and it's back to DR/D. SR gain was minimal, only 4 (was hoping for 13), but that's better than down by 4! Could be better, could be worse!
 
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Well, I managed to do Race C as well. I did the Sven thing and started up the back, mainly because I'm still very unsure of the track and how it and the NSX get along.

Race starts and my first penalty... false start :lol:! That's a new one for me, I've never gotten penalised for having my foot on the throttle before the count down. From there I just focused on trying to make my fuel last and not end up in the sand. I went up 3 positions.

DR went down another 500. One more loss and it's back to DR/D. SR gain was minimal, only 4 (was hoping for 13), but that's better than down by 4! Could be better, could be worse!
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Don't bother pressing the gas until the last light comes on (with the brakes applied). No point wasting fuel revving the engine. Then it still takes 2 or 3 seconds before the lights turn off and you can go. Make sure to avoid the false starts in front of you!

Best way to take T1 is all the way on the inside. Brake a little early and pivot on the apex. The chaos will be on the outside from all the late starts crashing into the other cars there. That way I went from last to 8th in T1 contact free, yet with yellow flag SR downs.
 
Having some fun and picking up a few wins lately, mostly because my SR is so terrible, often C and sometimes D. i never hit anyone on purpose but I am clumsy in close combat and a few little touches here and there and the SR doesn't climb.

But it does have me paired with guys i can race at the front with, when i climb to a SR of B or A I tend to be lower mid pack, scrambling for a podium at best.
 
Managed to get back quicker than I thought and jumped back into race C. I should have finished 3 rd but missed my braking point slightly at turn 5 and into my favorite gravel trap for the day still made it to the end in P4 and got 35 SR points back almost all that I lost this morning and around 700 DR straight to SR B, to be honest the SR E race was clean at the front am guessing many of the other drivers had had reset too and where behaving themselves.
Edit: Next race C/B field, one blue racer at the end the rest all RED including myself, most of my SR gone again!!! :banghead:
Seem to be gong nowhere, 1 good race ruined by a bad one need a lucky run of clean ones, almost tempted to just drive round at the rear. About to enter a C/D and D/D field, what's the betting its cleaner than in rank B?
Edit 2: Got 2nd and no red at the end for any finisher, SR D vs B no comparison....
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Did another race with SR B and was fairly clean where I was, finished 4th and got my 3rd top 5 placing of the day and boosted my DR to the brink of going back up to B rank, enough to tempted me to do one more....
Only managed 8th but got blue SR about 250 points of DR B.
 
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Managed to join the midnight run at Red Bull. Started P18/18 on a grid that had 2x DR/C, 3 x DR/D, and the rest DR/A and B.

Race starts and even though I was being careful, I *still* managed to get a 2s penalty for false start :eek:. I was being extra cautious around other drivers, but somehow managed to get up to P8. I was also being too conservative with my shifting, so when I pitted in P10 on lap 7 I discovered I still had 2 laps worth of fuel :dopey:! Then I got confused as to how many laps to fuel and before I knew it it was up to 6 laps and I went.

Came out the gates P10 and I was maintaining that with a consistent 4s lead, till I totally messed up a corner that I could have simply dropped a gear or braked to stay on. Instead I ended up in the sand and my 4s lead evaporated. I got passed and then again whilst trying to get my car under control, finally finishing P12 running on fumes. The race timed out before I could run out. Despite the screw up I think I did pretty good finishing above the last 3 places :lol:!

SR back up to 99!!!! <happy dance> DR dropped to 4433, so still hanging on to the visit to DR/C :dopey:.
 
I give up. Someone please tell me how to make this Mini go faster than 1:06.9. I've beaten it in races no bother, I've had the pace to do a 1:06.2 (no slipstream), but I must have done at least 50 qualifying laps and I can't get near it.
 
CLowndes888
Or you can just hog the inside line with a tight entry and exit... Particularly effective when defending.
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But he’s asking about Lewis’ lap, who’s doing a hot lap, but yeah in a race you wouldn’t drive that line unless you had a 2 or more second lead
 
stpatty
I give up. Someone please tell me how to make this Mini go faster than 1:06.9. I've beaten it in races no bother, I've had the pace to do a 1:06.2 (no slipstream), but I must have done at least 50 qualifying laps and I can't get near it.
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1:06.xxx flat for me look for the time in the first corner and the last.
 
rono_thomas
1:06.xxx flat for me look for the time in the first corner and the last.
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Must be the last corner then. I can go purple in the first sector during races when the FL is ~.2/3.
 
Had a fun race round the rb ring, got a 1.23.2 in qualifying which in DR B puts me top end of the grid at the moment. Usual dive bombs from the A rated driver into T2 and the race settled until the top 3 decided to tangle allowing me to catch up. 2 of the top 3 made the guy who was leading rage quit from what I could tell, and I got shoved off line when running 3rd. Just went for fuel at the pitstop, which was a mistake, dropped to 5th at the finish although had been right on the leader after the stops.

Struggling to break into the 1.22's though. More practice.
 
Just had the funniest race ever on NGP on NA server.
I was comfortably in 2nd with 4s ahead of 3rd and there was I, thinking it's last lap and slowed down around finish line to burn off penalty I got from T1 carnage and cruise in to finish.

ONE MORE LAP TO GO. :lol::lol:

Promptly slammed off in T1 by red patrol that caught up, another 3s penalty and fall back to 5th for final lap and boot to sr A.

Edit: Next race same, even worse.. How does one overtake a Brazilian?
I need tips lol. I get swiped off every single time (even by A/S), if not, they just late brake and take me out in next turn in.

Ah well, think I'll skip the rest of the week..
 
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The south Americans are absolutely insane, honestly it's ridiculous, 9 from 10 are savages on track, absolutely brutal.
 
I won't be able to stream the FIA races or after the update comes out, so here's an HD stream of Race C.
 
For the standing starts, does it matter if I use the normal brake or handbrake? If yes, which is the better method?

Too scared to try it out by myself lol
 
Sven Jurgens
It probably will be as I'll be driving with a massive lag advantage in the middle of EU's night time.
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I have a EU account, but actually based in Western Canada. My ping times are around 140 to 150ms, and always a yellow strength bar.

The racing can be a lot cleaner in the EU races, but it can get downright dirty too. Especially when you're racing the red and gold flagged racers. Kinda like the green and gold we have in the Americas.
 
So I am in the fia race, and in 2nd. As you can see, dude ahead of me goes into the gravel. I'm gaining on him when he magically shoots back onto the track and "pulls away" with 0 penalty??? How the hell does this happen? Held on for 2nd at least, but it's ridiculous. Similar thing happened later in the race too.
 

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So I am in the fia race, and in 2nd. As you can see, dude ahead of me goes into the gravel. I'm gaining on him when he magically shoots back onto the track and "pulls away" with 0 penalty??? How the hell does this happen? Held on for 2nd at least, but it's ridiculous. Similar thing happened later in the race too.
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Lag. I've seen people ping pong all over the track and seemingly everywhere on the circuit *but* the tarmac, yet still finish ahead.
 
Ok I'm done. Tried to slow down to scrub off a penalty before pitting. I'm invisible but some jack ass slams into me and sends me past pit lane. I put it in reverse, and go back into pit lane and it shoots me back on the track a lap down. Go around the whole effing track and try to pit again and it does the same. Then I get dq'd for having too much penalty time even though I had none? I've just ****ing had it with idiot drivers and these stupid inconsistencies.

Invisigoth
Lag. I've seen people ping pong all over the track and seemingly everywhere on the circuit *but* the tarmac, yet still finish ahead.
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It's just odd. He didn't have a bad signal. And was like 2 secs quicker than his qualifying time on worn tires too
 
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Red bull ring day 3, it's a lot cleaner! Perhaps most of the trouble makers have either given up or have been put in SR.A or SR.B. There were still a couple yet it was a night and day difference as opposed to yesterday. The random disconnects might have helped too as I got grids as low as 14 to start the race.

However without getting bumped off the track 3 times per race I'm actually not doing that bad. Last 2 races I finished 4th and 3rd. I'm still not that fast though, only once broke into the 1:24 lap times, only just. Yet I also refuse to cheat at T1 and the last 2 corners. I've seen people go far wide before the final turn to get a fast run and not get a penalty. Are the track limits broken there as well? The few times I messed up there by taking the corner a bit too tight then getting unstable and going wide after, only losing time, I did end up with a penalty. Anyway, a lot more pleasant racing with less bumping. Perhaps a contact free race will still be possible before the end of the week.

Here are the two starts of my last 2 races, how to survive the first couple corners.

And the typical RBR penalty to watch out for at the end.
 
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