"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Oshawa-Joe]

I have trouble with the last turn, too. Also entering the esses, I keep braking too much or not enough, and probably not in the right spot. At the bus stop, I don't even attempt it at full throttle. I lift a little, to get the car rotating. I might get down to 1:46, but that's probably it. Fun track to race on, though. 👍

Dude, you are fast. IMHO you will be better off getting off the crack now and take full control of your car. Short term pain for long term gain. I went through the same thing myself back in GT5 and never looked back.

 

[K3Tuning]

First off I will say I'm not fast enough to get such a fast q time I get poll all the time or can out run everybody.

I noticed something interesting

I have 30 something days raced online. About half of them before the Feb 17 update and the other half after.

Before the update I was always DRB and SR S with the S rank races actually being of high quality races super clean and fast and as you went down SR ranks the drivers got more and more bumpity.

Since the update its chaos in all ranks. I cannot get myself to hit 99 and tank my stats trying to get there, up then tank up then tank.

I do not like that they've mixed us up with another region. I dont know if they are attacking our region or nust loco drivers all round but things were much better before.

At least this is my experience

I've tanked my stats and am going to run a race C with no Q time, hopefully I'm the only one and can make a smooth run to get that SR boost, skip over a few ranks and hopefully get a better crowd

 

[gismanps]

As a newbie, this week is where I moved to MT instead of AT. It showed great effect quickly. Normally, last week I was trying circuit and car combinations using the time trial and never get down less than 1:47.9XX. However, after getting used to MT a little bit more, I reached 1:46:814. Turning like MT is much easier actually.

Also; it helped me on another thing -and simply I do not know what am I doing correctly- I am now able to close TCS on all Gr.4 cars (yeah, I know, what a big achievement!? - but for me it is!)

Let's come to race! Nope; absolute carnage! Every race there are 3-4 Bombermans. Even I saw a rammer!

Another thing, I am simply panicking in chicane of death. Thanks to GT_Sport!!! For me it was a chicane before, now it has a name. Now I am panicking when I am entering to chicane. While I was qualifying also I panicked but accidentally I moved from there perfectly. Now I am always leaving there with a perfect accident!

I was hoping for better results but at least I can manage Huracan without TCS with MT. This is an achievement as well... I think

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Just did some races at Dragon Trail. 1st race, I hit the Bus Stop on lap 1.

2nd to 4th races, I made it out in one piece. Finished 2nd-3rd in these races, and my DR finally hit 40.000 points (1st time).

 

[05XR8]

PLEASE SOMEONE make a separate Thread for RACE C.
How is this supposed to work?
I want to talk about Race C strategies, not read Race A bragging ...

In the Atenza, shift just below redline, drive smoothly. If you can stay within 12 seconds of the leader or even if you are in last place, stay 1 second behind the car ahead of you, pit lap 5 and you can jump most cars in the pit stop.

 

[drummingcat]

Jeez, had a mental few races at Dragon Tail last night, its a fantastic circuit, really enjoyable to drive.

Races were complete and utter madness but had possibly the most annoying thing happen.

I start 9th, with a sub optimal quali lap so I know I can go faster, first 2 laps three separate groups of cars emerges, the first 5, the second 6, and then the rest. I manage to wrestle my way to the front of the second group despite the guy in front (holding everyone up) driving a 458 literally like a battering ram every-time someone tries to pass.

I finally am the first to get past him on the final turn before the beginning of lap 4 when he overcooked his entry (he was doing that a LOT but no-one else had managed to take advantage), I now have 8 seconds of clear track between me and the fifth place guy, and my plan is to just get away from the 458 clown but as I go through the uphill esses I notice that gap is already down to 5 seconds so I know there are some shenanigans going on up front, by the time I approach the tight right hander leading into the bus stop complex I am 2 seconds back. I go through the bus stop and there it is, a five car pile up, track completely blocked and no way I can brake in time, I notice the car on the far right has ghosted so thats the gap I aim for and just as I reach him he un-ghosts and I hit him at almost full speed causing further carnage and all 6 cars bouncing around in an orgy of ghosting. By the time its all sorted out I cross the line in 5th but picked up a penalty in the (unavoidable) crash which dropped me to 8th. 458 guy crossed the line in 3rd but had picked up enough penalties to drop him to 11th. I considered reporting him, but hey, who knows why he's driving like such a Muppet, he could be in the middle of a Divorce or something. So I leave the room whilst at least 4 other people are calling him out in the lobby afterwards.

SR drops from B to C thanks to the ghosting. I dont understand the ghosting system at the best of times, and part of me thinks it shouldn't exist in the game as at least everyone would know where they stand, but bloody hell, if its going to be there, dont un-ghost a stationary car when there is a Veyron 1 metre away doing 120 mph!!

 

[Pipodeclown]

I haven’t played GT in a while, so maybe this is something people do now? On race B, while finishing the first lap, the driver behind me got a better exit from the last corner. I stayed to the far left of the track along the entire straight and he got closer to me while drafting. But instead of passing me, he gently bumped into the rear of my car. I got a 5 second penalty. I hadn’t moved my car over to block, I was going perfectly straight along the left edge of the track. Does this happen often? Was this driver exploiting something here?
I watched the replay and it’s clear he did it on purpose, and there would be no other reason to do this.

Yes, this happens regularly. It's a 'technique' called bumpdrafting and it's intention is to get the both of you closer to a pack in front. The standard punishment used to be an orange SR down arrow for the leading car and nothing for the trailing car, which already caused quite some irritation among people.

But adding a 5 sec penalty? I've never seen that before. Did something else happen? Like, did the other guy ran himself off track after the contact? And what was the speed difference?

 

[GTMajarcus]

Yes, this happens regularly. It's a 'technique' called bumpdrafting and it's intention is to get the both of you closer to a pack in front. The standard punishment used to be an orange SR down arrow for the leading car and nothing for the trailing car, which already caused quite some irritation among people.

But adding a 5 sec penalty? I've never seen that before. Did something else happen? Like, did the other guy ran himself off track after the contact? And what was the speed difference?

I realized after I posted that I wrote 5 second penalty, when it was actually a 3 second penalty. Ridiculous to me either way though. Speed difference wasn’t huge, but he had enough speed in my slip stream to easily make a clean pass before the first corner. He didn’t run himself off track and I hadn’t been turning my wheel either.
He ended up taking me out at the 2nd corner with a late break, which is why I also assumed what he did on the straight was dirty rather than a bump draft, but you could be right.

 

[6BK]

Doh! Have a 47.851 on Daily A and was doing hot laps while waiting for a race. Got a 1.6 second penalty on T1 of lap 1 and never scrubbed it. Next lap I kept going. Didn't want to restart as I'd lose momentum and there was only a few seconds to the race. The penalty remember was T1 on the lap before so no influence on the next lap. Annoyingly I set a 47.701 time but it was a "red" lap. Doesn't sound much but on that track nearly .2 of a second is huge. Ah well, now I've got to do it again.

Does anybody else find that the drafting in Race A is very noticeable? More to the point, reduced braking when drafting? Yes, I know that drafting will increase speed and also that following close will spoil air but for such a short course in a FF Gr4 I just surprised on the extent of what I'm experiencing. In particular I'm finding that I'm getting a huge draft through the esses and up the hill to the last corner and suffering reduction when braking. I've taken to easing off way before the corner to allow the car ahead time to slow which means I can carry much more speed in and out but that then leaves me open to dive bombs from behind. Perhaps it's because other drivers are braking later and dropping to 2nd while I've been holding 3rd and carrying speed through the turn so perhaps it's not really the drafting that is catching me out but other driver's totally different braking points causing them to slow much more than I intend to.

 

[watto79]

So I thought I'd give the Veyron a go in Race B. In hind sight I should have done a little more practice first rather than just a couple of laps. I could lap in the 1:47's so thought I'd be okay. Sadly not! The mid-pack battle was brutal and I couldn't get the first left into the uphill esses quite right which is critical for decent lap times.

I thought I managed to stay out of all the barging going on around me but at the end my SR had dropped from 99 to 77! I need to repair that before tonights FIA race....

The Veyron can certainly stand up against the field of Huracan's. It's straight line speed is superior but just need to sort out the esses before I do another race. It really was a brutal race though and I lost count of how many casualties the chicane claimed. Why some people go through there 2 or even 3 wide I'll never understand.

All good fun though

 

[Melbourne Park]

In the Atenza, shift just below redline, drive smoothly. If you can stay within 12 seconds of the leader or even if you are in last place, stay 1 second behind the car ahead of you, pit lap 5 and you can jump most cars in the pit stop.

I presume you just take some fuel and don't change the tyres? How does the car handle on the old tyres?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I realized after I posted that I wrote 5 second penalty, when it was actually a 3 second penalty. Ridiculous to me either way though. Speed difference wasn’t huge, but he had enough speed in my slip stream to easily make a clean pass before the first corner. He didn’t run himself off track and I hadn’t been turning my wheel either.
He ended up taking me out at the 2nd corner with a late break, which is why I also assumed what he did on the straight was dirty rather than a bump draft, but you could be right.

You mentioned earlier that you were right on the edge of the track. The car behind you slightly touching the wall after contact is sometimes enough to trigger a penalty. It's completely backwards and screwed up and has been in the game since last August when Sainte Croix was introduced. It first happened there on the turn to the long straight. People touching your back then slightly rubbing the wall in the turn, car ahead got a 10 sec penalty (back when penalties were still severe)

It's a technique dirty drivers like to use and quite easy to do when the car ahead drives next to a wall. It happens a lot on Tokyo and Interlagos.

First off I will say I'm not fast enough to get such a fast q time I get poll all the time or can out run everybody.

I noticed something interesting

I have 30 something days raced online. About half of them before the Feb 17 update and the other half after.

Before the update I was always DRB and SR S with the S rank races actually being of high quality races super clean and fast and as you went down SR ranks the drivers got more and more bumpity.

Since the update its chaos in all ranks. I cannot get myself to hit 99 and tank my stats trying to get there, up then tank up then tank.

I do not like that they've mixed us up with another region. I dont know if they are attacking our region or nust loco drivers all round but things were much better before.

At least this is my experience

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I've tanked my stats and am going to run a race C with no Q time, hopefully I'm the only one and can make a smooth run to get that SR boost, skip over a few ranks and hopefully get a better crowd

Yes, it's been more chaotic since the servers merged back together. It's not only that South Americans are on average a bit more aggressive, they also drive with 3 to 1 bar of lag. Lag is the primary factor in turning close racing into disasters waiting to happen. Plus the one with lag is usually forgiven in the penalty system while the victim still ends up in the dirt.

 

[Invisigoth]

The Veyron can certainly stand up against the field of Huracan's. It's straight line speed is superior but just need to sort out the esses before I do another race.

It is a behemoth, often overlooked. Tracks with a lot of flow suit it well. Once it gets up and going it's a force to be reckoned with, but stopping it can be a challenge. Good luck with it... will probably be my Sunday night ride.

When the General talks, you better listen to him. When the General talks, you better do what he say... yes race fans, tonight's whip was a fine example from that distinguished purveyor of automobiles, General Motors Corporation. I decided to wrap my arse in fibreglass and chase the Dragon with the General's Gr4 Yank Tank. I ran out of time to better my NSX qualifying time, but my optimum was more than a second faster. Would have started P6/16 but the reset bug hit and that changed to P3/12 come go time on an all DR/D grid.

Race started alright and I really had to to reign things in at the first chicane because the two cars in front were a road block, which gave the Hurricane behind me (I could hear that "Ka me ha me ha" chant again ) a chance to crowbar his way in front at the next corner. I braked late at the following corner and cut underneath him. I was late on the throttle so instead of coming out in front and wide, I nudged him off the track . I waited for him to regain position, dropping back to P8.

I followed and one of the people who passed me was having a bit of argy bargy exchanged with him. I hung back a little to see what would happen. They sorted themselves out and then he binned it at the bus stop. I made it though and regained position. I caught up and was sitting in P5 right on the tail of P4. He kept trying to block me, even when there was overlap. Eventually I out braked him, came underneath and through. It was a bit messy, but one of my rare actual passes. I picked up a 1s penalty trying to avoid him and pulled a 2s gap through the bus stop on the final lap to finish P4

SR dropped 3, DR went up 400. Another day above DR 1 .

 

[watto79]

It is a behemoth, often overlooked. Tracks with a lot of flow suit it well. Once it gets up and going it's a force to be reckoned with, but stopping it can be a challenge. Good luck with it... will probably be my Sunday night ride.

Well this was much better, hanging with the SR:A crowd. Still struggling with the uphill esses but otherwise all good.

 

[Pigems]

That article last night got me thinking, the 2 to 4 hours a day(4-10 a day on weekends) I put into this game just aren’t enough to get where I want to be, Lester is doubling my seat time as well as a lot of the other top guys I would assume.

So how can one get more out of limited practice time? Because I don’t think the wife will let me put any more time into it than I do now lol. Hmmmm.... Is it better spent on hot laps or in race practice? What do you guys find helps you improve more? How many hours a day/week does everyone else put in to this game?

Time to do some research.

 

[watto79]

That article last night got me thinking, the 2 to 4 hours a day(4-10 a day on weekends) I put into this game just aren’t enough to get where I want to be, Lester is doubling my seat time as well as a lot of the other top guys I would assume.

So how can one get more out of limited practice time? Because I don’t think the wife will let me put any more time into it than I do now lol. Hmmmm.... Is it better spent on hot laps or in race practice? What do you guys find helps you improve more? How many hours a day/week does everyone else put in to this game?

Time to do some research.

It's a really interesting subject. I think there is a strong argument that it's not just the time you spend, but what you do in that time. Personally I spend more time practising than racing trying to perfect car control, trail braking etc. Picking a car/track combo or two each week (normally a daily race and an FIA race) and practising, ultimately trying to get a consistently fast lap time. I think that does show in my racing ability though and is something else I need to work on.

David Perel is a GT Sport player and YouTuber who is also a real life racing driver. On his website he suggests any more than 90-120 minutes a day becomes mindless and not useful. His website is worth a look, as are his videos https://davidperel.net/simracing/

It's a really tricky one though. Ultimately everyone will reach a plateau as to what they can achieve against the other players (I may have reached mine, I'm not sure). Getting faster requires more thoughtful practice, not just more practice.

I've rambled and not sure what my point is! I'm also interested in what other people do

 

[DrVegas45]

So how can one get more out of limited practice time? Because I don’t think the wife will let me put any more time into it than I do now lol. Hmmmm.... Is it better spent on hot laps or in race practice? What do you guys find helps you improve more? How many hours a day/week does everyone else put in to this game?

That's a great question! - I travel for work and daughter does competitive cheer (this alone will destroy most weekend gaming time!) so I may average an 1-2 hours when I'm not out of town. Unfortunately I moved into a new house a few months ago with only satellite internet available (unbelievably horrible lag) so have been forced to only do "hot laps" until a better internet connection becomes available.

 

[Trone_Colby]

I used to spend a lot of time. Now, I’m lucky to put in an hour a night (est). A few hours on weekends. I could go for more but I would get bored with it. I think an hour to 2 hours is good depending on what you’re doing. I'm not top ten level or anywhere near that but on some tracks I am very good at.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That article last night got me thinking, the 2 to 4 hours a day(4-10 a day on weekends) I put into this game just aren’t enough to get where I want to be, Lester is doubling my seat time as well as a lot of the other top guys I would assume.

So how can one get more out of limited practice time? Because I don’t think the wife will let me put any more time into it than I do now lol. Hmmmm.... Is it better spent on hot laps or in race practice? What do you guys find helps you improve more? How many hours a day/week does everyone else put in to this game?

Time to do some research.

I probably race more than most here, except exclusively in races while doing whatever else needs doing in between. It's probably a good thing I don't have an OLED screen as that TAGHeuer logo would definitely be permanent on my tv by now. According to KP i'm averaging 3.64 hours a day (driving time / days accessed)

I'm not the fastest by far, but I can put my SR anywhere I want and deal with whatever matchmaking throws at me

A balance of both practice and racing is needed to do well. I just had a race with an A+ driver, 1:45 qualy time, no race craft. He fell back, couldn't adjust his lines, ended up with 5 sec penalty and in the dirt 2 turns later.

 

[Groundfish]

That article last night got me thinking, the 2 to 4 hours a day(4-10 a day on weekends) I put into this game just aren’t enough to get where I want to be, Lester is doubling my seat time as well as a lot of the other top guys I would assume.

So how can one get more out of limited practice time? Because I don’t think the wife will let me put any more time into it than I do now lol. Hmmmm.... Is it better spent on hot laps or in race practice? What do you guys find helps you improve more? How many hours a day/week does everyone else put in to this game?

Time to do some research.

I’m good for 60-90 minutes. Ross Bentley Ultimate Driving Secrets if you enjoy reading. It’s helped me a lot because I was inexperienced when I purchased this game.
That said, people have to decide the input effort vs what they get. For me I play for fun. I enjoy fair competition. Personally hotlapping gets frustrating after a while. I’m huge on qualifying for dailies, but I hit a limit on scratching out another few tenths.
Racing is much more fun for me.
When I started I was very apprehensive about going online. Now after 200 odd races I feel I know what to expect and can stay calm for the most part...Also, more importantly, I feel solid in my knowledge of race craft...I can maintain 99 sr...
Now, that said, since I now know what’s up with etiquette for the most part...
I was thinking I’m now implementing lex talionis.
Yesterday this guy attempted to shove me off at spoon which is unfair.
Yes, I accidentally braked a bit late at the chicane. (nod nod wink wink)
I won’t start crap, but if you hit me LIKE THAT and can’t get away be ready to get served.
I’ve changed. Racing is racing and I’d rather not sit and stew later and cry in my beer.
Obviously these are rare, but I’m no longer allowing this.
So for me I’d rather race than hotlap, I mean it’s taken me 200 races to understand etiquette.
It’s taken me a long time learning tracks, but I think anymore once I’m pretty much running in or close to my ghost repeatedly I’m just going to race.
Like that last r8 Maggiore GP. I only put in the effort because I posted and had a couple hours. It wasn’t really fun though, just wanted to make sure I knew what I was talking about. Doubt that guy even cared anyways so screw it. If he were cool I would have been happy to share video and discuss, but he seems a troll.
So, online I no longer suffer trolling either in race.
Someone sticks their nose in they better be fast enough to make it stick!
Rant done

Stay thirsty my friends

 

[weazelgt]

the Dragons Tail races are killing me this week... I am generally 1-5 in qualifying in each race but the first turn before the S's is just mayhem, and getting murdered drops my SR rather than theirs (thanks PD, awesome). I'm either getting spun, punted or just right out killed every time and I have gone from SR B to D (currently 12 points!). I have stopped caring about ratings and have actually started just abandoning races after getting punted from 1st to last.

I love Dragons Tail, one of my favorite tracks but I think I'm gonna sit the rest of the week out... bring back Maggiore

I couldn't imagine putting in 2-4 hours a day... give me my 2 or 3 races every couple days and I'm fine. Go outside, enjoy life.

 

[sturk0167]

I just did my first 2 races of the week at race B, with my new incognito account. I really suck at that race. The cretins at the back of the pack are brutal. With this account, I don't really care too much about my ratings, so I made sure everyone who did me wrong was properly dealt with.
Passively so, in many cases. You know, the old drop two wheels off the side of the track after they smash-pass you. It's funny to watch that red penalty indicator appear above them after a second, or two.

It's probably the only one of my bad tracks that I enjoy driving on. I'll work on it more, tomorrow. 👍

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Please split the server again.

No less than 7 taps trying to upset / move my car from behind while coming from outside the track. Then I get a penalty...

First lap I already had to slow down to a crawl as the Brazilian was playing bumper match with the Argentinian in front of him. It's just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, oh I guess he won't move.

 

[K3Tuning]

Might just be time to make a switch.

Sport Mode is not cracking up to what I was hoping, the offline content is a joke.


Other games like Forza are catering to the consumer more GT is just pushing their vision and not much else. Since FiA partnership, not feeling the vision if this is the result.

Wow I just said In thinking of going to Forza what's the world coming too

 

[stpatty]

Imgur now refuses to upload images for me, so here is an embedded version of my 100th win screenshot. I entered it on a whim, hence my wearing the wrong outfit:

Gran Turismo™SPORT_20190220160238

• stpatty
• Feb 20, 2019

 

[6BK]

With regards to time put in and what you get out I posted about similar yesterday. Granted, I'm sneaking a quick 5 mins of down time at work now with a very sweet cup of tea and a biscuit because I've just finished 2 hours of mind numbing spread sheet work and need a rest. So, all my forum time happens during those breaks between work time tasks. It works well too because I'm refocused and ready for the next job. I put in about 50 to 60 hours work consistent every week, have a family and interests outside GT Sport. So, for me it's a release valve in an evening after all is done to wind down. I do get frustrated because I know I can do much better. I linger in the DR C/B fields and know that given the time and practice I'd certainly be higher DR B or perhaps even A. The real question though is what purpose does the game serve to you, where does it lie in your list of priorities and are you willing to sacrifice more in order to improve. If, like me, it's only a little release after the rest of life is taken care of then you also need to remind yourself regularly that it is what it is and you will only get out of it what you put in. The same happens in my other RL interests. There are people I know that take part in sporting events with me that I know, on raw ability, I can beat. But they are single, working half the hours I do and have few other demands. I have to judge my results therefor only relative to my own position in life and nobody else's.

On another note: @watto79: Nice Livery. No better co-pilot than Arthur....never ever drink and drive for real though.

 

[O604]

I remember trying the FIA exhibition. I was putting in about an hour of practice then read the FIA Race forum here, TRL Lightning mentioned he had no time one day and raced with "only" 90 minutes of practice. I felt shame. And I gave up thinking I've got a long way to go.

Props to Pigems for trying to reach the top level. Impressively close too. For me guys like Lester & Lightning are super human, on another level of talent and dedication. Unattainable for me. But inspiring none the less.

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Daily Race today, had 1 Race at DT this morning. Gained 2 spots for 2nd place. Been using the Scirocco in a Huracan fight. Yesterday I lost a spot to Sven J on the last stretch thinking I could catch up. Today I aggressively blocked another Huracan and got an orange arrow on the last turn, felt bad but knew I'd lose that battle on the final straight. Greedy but I'm almost back to DR B.

 

[Trone_Colby]

@Sven Jurgens sounds like one of the races I had last night. There were at least five cars in front of me real close playing bumper cars. I was having a hard time trying to overtake them all. I failed because one or two them went off track and spun back on and hit me.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Might just be time to make a switch.

Sport Mode is not cracking up to what I was hoping, the offline content is a joke.


Other games like Forza are catering to the consumer more GT is just pushing their vision and not much else. Since FiA partnership, not feeling the vision if this is the result.

Wow I just said In thinking of going to Forza what's the world coming tooEdit

Funny, I ran back to GT after trying Forza online. All the complaining about sport mode and unfair penalties is nothing compared to the destruction derby I experienced there. However it's good to get another perspective. Broken penalty system is still better than no penalty system.

@Sven Jurgens sounds like one of the races I had last night. There were at least five cars in front of me real close playing bumper cars. I was having a hard time trying to overtake them all. I failed because one or two them went off track and spun back on and hit me.

The most successful approach is to put your foot down, close your eyes and you'll emerge victorious

 

[K3Tuning]

Well at least it feels good to vent stuff out here. I get peeved and feel better after venting some then going back for more cuz I love to torture myself.

In then end I realize those who get proper serious, put in the time and develops the skill dont ever have my issues. They are running q times I can't touch and walk away from me in races.

Im in that group where I feel Im good for a guy on his couch with a DS4 capable of beating some guys with wheels and a good portion of who I get matched up with.

Just seems like if your not as serious as the top guys you're doomed to some chaotic races and frustration playing with racers who have mixed objectives and mixed views on rubbing bumping and punting is racing

As for Forza its appeal to me is offline content. Engine swaps n stuff I actualy like to do in real life but doubt its in Kaz vision.

Oh, yeah I just got the same milestone