"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[VeeDoubleU]

Yeh, but, I think the point of the DR points is not about game progression. It's about trying to match people in races of similar levels.

Which is obviously true, but anytime a high rated driver goes into a daily race, they are risking their slot in Top 24 Superstar races, if they have a bad race. Their DR could go down by up to 3000 DR just because of a disconnect, or even if they get hit enough, the SR could go so low that they get reset to a lower DR, and considering DR was also the reason for the World Tour entries, it just isn't worth the risk when the likelihood of a good competitive race is so low and the risk of a DR reset.

 

[Suntek]

**** this game and penalty

Mate, that's Europe, it's normal. I'm guessing dr B?
Just a quick check at that scoreboard on the left scares me.

 

[mclarenLB]

Yeh, but, I think the point of the DR points is not about game progression. It's about trying to match people in races of similar levels.

Not a valid argument when DR was the primary selection process for the Nurburgring World Tour.

 

[Krypton78]

Just to address this quickly, its wayyyy easier to maintain 75k in dailies than in FIA, whenever I lose 75k, going to play dailies is like a free reset to get it back, the reason why I don't do dailies AT 75k is because you don't stand to gain anything, there's no progression there. If the cap was raised or removed I'd absolutely try and push it as far as it would go.

You got me wrong, if I was in your situation, I'd do exactly the same. If you would have read my post without the feeling of beeing charged, then you would see that I meant this:

Someone with 90k would never participate at dailies because for victory he would gain 50 points and for beeing in the back because of penalty or raming he'd lose 3000 maybe

The daily-race system (=many races) is not suitable for racing extremly high skilled players together with normal players, when there is the possibility to be kicked to Valhalla in T1 because some way lower ranked driver missed brake point for example.

So maybe the cap has a meaning. You say you'd try to reach any cape, but according to the DR-calculation the pool would stop you perhaps at 80- 85k anyway, cause of barely gaining points anymore. Even I with my silly little 55k need 3 good races at least to recover from 1 bad race (= position in midfield in an inhomogen field)

At FIA races maybe it would be a little different, don't know how strong the fields are there.

Yes there are still some A+ drivers in Dailys

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• zocker_16
• Jun 3, 2018

Oh, looks like Suzuka is today's most popular race

 

[ivann]

Not a valid argument when DR was the primary selection process for the Nurburgring World Tour.

So what if 100+ players just sit on 75k? The selection is then like a lottery!

 

[mclarenLB]

The daily-race system (=many races) is not suitable for racing extremly high skilled players together with normal players, when there is the possibility to be kicked to Valhalla in T1 because some way lower ranked driver missed brake point for example.

So maybe the cap has a meaning. You say you'd try to reach any cape, but according to the DR-calculation the pool would stop you perhaps at 80- 85k anyway, cause of barely gaining points anymore. Even I with my silly little 55k need 3 good races at least to recover from 1 bad race (= position in midfield in an inhomogen field)

At FIA races maybe it would be a little different, don't know how strong the fields are there.

I mean the point of an ELO system is it soft caps itself, you are limited by the pool of players you are playing against, So why not uncap it and let people push the limits? Trying to run it up to a stupid 6 digit figure against all odds with the risk of losing thousands at any given point sounds like my idea of fun

So what if 100+ players just sit on 75k? The selection is then like a lottery!

and this, is precisely why I have been advocating the removal of the cap since February

 

[kjeldsen]

The DR points should decline slowly at first and then faster as time goes by.

As it is now the DR rating is an indication of your speed measured against everyone else. If someone at max DR stops playing then those points are not part of the competition anymore and then the players rating isn't valid.

 

[mclarenLB]

The DR points should decline slowly at first and then faster as time goes by.

As it is now the DR rating is an indication of your speed measured against everyone else. If someone at max DR stops playing then those points are not part of the competition anymore and then the players rating isn't valid.

Yeah, I'd like there to be a decay mechanic above 60000 DR, Play or slowly lose it.

 

[Venster]

Yeah, I'd like there to be a decay mechanic above 60000 DR, Play or slowly lose it.

Problem with that is those decaying points would go no where. Then someone comes back to regain those points which would slowly lose more and more points from the system and likely create a big gap.

Surely it’s all about DR how about just racing for fun? You say it’s easy to get points back from dailies so what’s the risk?

I think a lot of A+ drivers are taking a break until the fia kicks off again. Although I’ve seen plenty in the few races I’ve done recently. Depends on the time of day mostly.

 

[05XR8]

Commiserations mate. You didn't notice them going up? They seem to be messing with things again. At one stage after 10s of penalties it kept going up till you served it or reached 1min. Then they seemed to have eased off that and you could carry more than 10s. Now it sounds like its back again .

Once I gob the 13.9999999 sceing penalty, I just said screw it. I was around 13th clawing back up to top 10. Didn't notice it rising until the 33 seconds. Again I felt "the stewards" were wrong. Concentrated on racing and noticed out the corner of my eye, the flashing red numbers were moving like the lap time. Ridiculous.

So, while on the back straight coming to130R, it reads I have around 15 seconds to slow down. Tried to make a dash into pit lane with seconds to go.

 

[Cuber Tom]

Problem with that is those decaying points would go no where. Then someone comes back to regain those points which would slowly lose more and more points from the system and likely create a big gap.

Surely it’s all about DR how about just racing for fun? You say it’s easy to get points back from dailies so what’s the risk?

I think a lot of A+ drivers are taking a break until the fia kicks off again. Although I’ve seen plenty in the few races I’ve done recently. Depends on the time of day mostly.

The points going nowhere isn't a problem.
Currently if a 75k drivers gain points, those points are removed from the pool. Same for DR resets (caused by SR drops).
There are points being added to the pool by drivers with DR 1. At some point the points being removed and add will balance out

 

[mclarenLB]

Problem with that is those decaying points would go no where. Then someone comes back to regain those points which would slowly lose more and more points from the system and likely create a big gap.

Surely it’s all about DR how about just racing for fun? You say it’s easy to get points back from dailies so what’s the risk?

I think a lot of A+ drivers are taking a break until the fia kicks off again. Although I’ve seen plenty in the few races I’ve done recently. Depends on the time of day mostly.

Decay systems in most games typically only kick in after a week of inactivity

 

[Venster]

The points going nowhere isn't a problem.
Currently if a 75k drivers gain points, those points are removed from the pool. Same for DR resets (caused by SR drops).
There are points being added to the pool by drivers with DR 1. At some point the points being removed and add will balance out

You make a good point, dr resets also remove points from the system. In my understanding of an ELO system you have a points pool let’s 10 million points (realise probably more) which is split between the pool of players. Surely if you have a decaying system the points pool would keep on depleting? A new player adds 1 point to the system?

Is my understanding of how an ELO system works right?

 

[mclarenLB]

You make a good point, dr resets also remove points from the system. In my understanding of an ELO system you have a points pool let’s 10 million points (realise probably more) which is split between the pool of players. Surely if you have a decaying system the points pool would keep on depleting? A new player adds 1 point to the system?

Is my understanding of how an ELO system works right?

A new player adds 2000 points to the system, after completing 5 sport races. E rank actually means you don't have a DR value yet.

 

[Cuber Tom]

You make a good point, dr resets also remove points from the system. In my understanding of an ELO system you have a points pool let’s 10 million points (realise probably more) which is split between the pool of players. Surely if you have a decaying system the points pool would keep on depleting? A new player adds 1 point to the system?

Is my understanding of how an ELO system works right?

Everyone starts with 2000. But if someone loses all those points, they can't go below DR 1, but they can continue to give points to other players, which adds more points into the pool.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

You make a good point, dr resets also remove points from the system. In my understanding of an ELO system you have a points pool let’s 10 million points (realise probably more) which is split between the pool of players. Surely if you have a decaying system the points pool would keep on depleting? A new player adds 1 point to the system?

Is my understanding of how an ELO system works right?

New players start at 2000 DR after 5 races.

The make up of players currently is

E 514,315 49.4175%
D 377,290 36.2516%
C 85,815 8.2455%
B 55,737 5.3554%
A 6,349 0.6100%
S 1,249 0.1200%

1,040,755 total players that entered sport mode, however DR.E means not having completed 5 races so they have not been added to the DR pool yet. As DR.E you can only earn SR, not DR.

526440 players with over 5 races which have all received the 2k start DR, so the pool is about 1 billion DR. First there was a glitch where DR was increased by incorrect resets causing inflation. Since that has been fixed we should have some deflation from the resets. Which is in line with how my average DR has been going the past few months, or at least I'll tell myself that it's deflation that has dragged my average down a bit

Everyone starts with 2000. But if someone loses all those points, they can't go below DR 1, but they can continue to give points to other players, which adds more points into the pool.

Interesting, so at the 75K end points are lost, yet at the 1 point end points are added to the system. Since there are many more people playing at the low end the system must still be inflating.

 

[Qyn]

After win #19 last night....THIS finally happened to me again! Looks like it time to climb the ladder again.

One more win for the 20 wins achievement! I 🤬 love this game! Even with it's flaws

 

[DaigoD]

@mclarenLB Out of interest. Lets say you participate in a top-split FIA race. What position do you have to finish to not lose any points(approximately) ? I hope its not first

 

[Venster]

But this is looking at the DR system the wrong way. The point of the DR system is for matchmaking, not a ranking or progression thing. Why should you lose points because you don’t play?

This is the reason that PD didn’t put the numbers against the DR, because it would be treated as a get as many points as you can thing. The idea of this game is to race other drivers at a similar level, when you gain points the idea is that you are better than those you are against, therefore get matched against faster drivers next time.

It shouldn’t matter if you are at the cap, it’s a racing game, go race, enjoy just the racing, getting wins it’s not about getting points that’s purely for matchmaking.

Understand the frustration of losing points at the cap because you want to be in top split fia races and they picked drivers for Nürburgring based on DR, but that was the case this time doesn’t mean it will be next time especially with DRS coming back.

 

[Cuber Tom]

New players start at 2000 DR after 5 races.
Interesting, so at the 75K end points are lost, yet at the 1 point end points are added to the system. Since there are many more people playing at the low end the system must still be inflating.

There are points being removed by SR drops as well. There have been about 40 75k drivers for quite a long time, so I think it currently balanced.

@mclarenLB Out of interest. Lets say you participate in a top-split FIA race. What position do you have to finish to not lose any points(approximately) ? I hope its not first

It really depends on how strong the field is, but 4-5th is normally good enough

 

[Suntek]

Well I finally reached the black SR line.. Got matched with mix of B and C drivers, and thanks to disaster yesterday, in sr B.
It can only get worse once you get there really except starting pole which I missed by 1 10th apparently.

Started p6, ended up P11 scrubbing 10s at finish line..

Every single contact from behind, side, front,I got at least 4s penalty, and esses on Suzuka guarantee carnage at that sr.. What people do really, I hate being dr B..
Here I try to avoid carnage ahead, just to get constantly bumped from behind, every time 4s and orange sr
Then I get bumped every lap on the hairpin, like the one in video below.
He just ignores the fact that my car is there..



This all can't be without the classics of course:

I'm giving dailies a rest for a while, this sr 🤬 and people abusing it is absurd.

Lost 3k dr in 4 races due to various bumps and slams, it's irritating and that isn't fun anymore.

 

[Haitauer]

Whats the point of using gr4 bop in megane trophy one make daily? Just let the car be what it is..

 

[mclarenLB]

@mclarenLB Out of interest. Lets say you participate in a top-split FIA race. What position do you have to finish to not lose any points(approximately) ? I hope its not first

About 5th in FIA and 2nd in Dailys usually

 

[commanderr]

Gr2 at Nurb final lap with a solid 2 second lead. Second corner tv suddenly switches to other hdmi port! I press pause to autodrive, grab the remote, back to ps4 hdmi wait wait finally picture back and still leading somehow. Totally lost my rythem and overshoot 3 corners but still somehow manage to win. Would have been seriously mad if i lost it because that was the first decent race I drove all night

 

[CurbHog]

Here is a replay from my very enjoyable race at the Lago Maggiore GT last night ! Enjoy !

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I tried a few Nurb races, very dirty. In one I was in second right behind first waiting for a good place to pass. Then another car comes up from behind, starts draft bumping me a few times in corners so I lose connection to first due to getting pushed off my lines, then he pit manoevers me a few corners later so I fall to 9th. He came out without a penalty. His excuse, I was slow....

So I try Suzuka, standing start ugh. 2 races later I'm SR.B thanks to **** like getting bumped from behind in the corner into a bad track re-entry that bounces off me, I end up with the penalties. My new mission is to get out of DR.A, sick of it. Unfortunately the SR.B race was clean so no DR reset, instead I now pit in lap 7 and let everyone pass. I should be out of DR.A soon.

I actually saw 2 familiar faces there in SR.B, both in SR and DR recovery mode. Good luck, I'm going the other way. One more should do it.

Edit: Mission accomplished, 27K DR. Unfortunately the SR.A race was very dirty again, so back in SR.B. Pushing and little bumps don't give penalties anymore so people are simply pushing you out of the way again. Must be Sunday drivers. Saw another fair and clean driver in A/A, also working to restore SR.

 

[Invisigoth]

Gr2 at Nurb final lap with a solid 2 second lead. Second corner tv suddenly switches to other hdmi port! I press pause to autodrive, grab the remote,

Hang on. You can go into auto drive during an online race?? I know it worked out for you, but that sounds seriously dodgy during a race against actual people rather than the AI .

I tried a few Nurb races, very dirty. In one I was in second right behind first waiting for a good place to pass. Then another car comes up from behind, starts draft bumping me a few times in corners so I lose connection to first due to getting pushed off my lines, then he pit manoevers me a few corners later so I fall to 9th. He came out without a penalty. His excuse, I was slow....

Erm... it's not your job to be fast, it's his job to find a line that gives him a clean pass!! They sound a bit cracked to me .

 

[CurbHog]

How on earth do you start from the standing grid in race C ????
I have such a hard time with it and loose several positions just in the start .≥..

 

[05XR8]

How on earth do you start from the standing grid in race C ????
I have such a hard time with it and loose several positions just in the start .≥..

I use TCS 1,then, when I get traction in 2nd gear, turn it off.

 

[CurbHog]

I use TCS 1,then, when I get traction in 2nd gear, turn it off.

Do you brake or let the game release the brake with full throttle ??