"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[FUNanywhere]

Start 19th and finish 12th.

Yes DR points deducted.

Great logic PD

 

[Mudda Chod]

Start 19th and finish 12th.

Yes DR points deducted.

Great logic PD

I had written this.....
"You generally need to finish higher than the number on the sticker on your car, which is where they consider you are ranked.

I guess you had a bad qualifying time to start in 19th (worse than it expects from your level), and were then also matched with many lower ranked players (either due to bad SR or just not many peeps online just now) so they expected you to finish higher. It's really hard from the back of the pack, which is why it's better to spend an hour or two (or 3 or 4) improving your qualifying time by 0.5sec rather than continuing to race from the back."

Then I looked up your profile and saw you have over 2,300 races..... So I'll say this instead....

GREAT LOGIC PD!!!! Pft!

 

[FUNanywhere]

I had written this.....
"You generally need to finish higher than the number on the sticker on your car, which is where they consider you are ranked.

I guess you had a bad qualifying time to start in 19th (worse than it expects from your level), and were then also matched with many lower ranked players (either due to bad SR or just not many peeps online just now) so they expected you to finish higher. It's really hard from the back of the pack, which is why it's better to spend an hour or two (or 3 or 4) improving your qualifying time by 0.5sec rather than continuing to race from the back."

Then I looked up your profile and saw you have over 2,300 races..... So I'll say this instead....

GREAT LOGIC PD!!!! Pft!

I dont think its great algorithm to start with.

The whole logic of finish in top 10 then only you get DR increase is itself flawed. Guy who started 20th n finished 11th gets no reward at all. He had a excellent race gaining 9 positions yet he gets nothing.

Door number doesnt matter unless you finish top 10.

Qualify well or you are doomed isnt right.

 

[The_Tullster]

Start 19th and finish 12th.

Yes DR points deducted.

Great logic PD

I had written this.....
"You generally need to finish higher than the number on the sticker on your car, which is where they consider you are ranked.

I guess you had a bad qualifying time to start in 19th (worse than it expects from your level), and were then also matched with many lower ranked players (either due to bad SR or just not many peeps online just now) so they expected you to finish higher. It's really hard from the back of the pack, which is why it's better to spend an hour or two (or 3 or 4) improving your qualifying time by 0.5sec rather than continuing to race from the back."

Then I looked up your profile and saw you have over 2,300 races..... So I'll say this instead....

GREAT LOGIC PD!!!! Pft!

Door number is of almost no consequence, and if it's a low DR race (C and/or D drivers involved) it's not even accurate. To gain DR, you have to finish (on average) in the top half of the field. The scoring system does not care where you started or how many places you gained or lost, only where you finish. Given the same field of drivers and the same finish order, you would get the same DR loss or gain regardles of whether you start last or on pole.

In general, the top half of the results table gains DR and the bottom half loses. You gain DR from every driver who finishes behind you, a little bit if they're DR score is lower than yours and more if their DR score is higher. You lose DR to every driver finishing in front of you, a little bit if their DR is higher than yours, a lot if their DR is lower.

Edit: The system is not totally indifferent to driver skill. As an extreme example, if you're a DR-D driver and get lumped in a race full of A+ drivers, you only need to not come last to gain DR. In that case you should get approximately 150 - 170 DR gain for beating one other driver, depending on how many drivers in the lobby. This is a good thing as it means that drivers who run alt accounts or (for whatever reason) get their DR reset fairly rapidly rise back to somewhere near their natural DR level and are not continuously matched against drivers of far inferior skill.

 

[x5abotagex86]

Well, got into a few A lobbies again, and I don’t know when this started, but crystal clear penalty system abuse everywhere.
great

B lobbies - more punts from mistakes

A lobbies - more pro penalty abusers

penalties for me trying to simply stay away everywhere.

really encouraging to progress my rank-_-

Not long ago getting into better lobbies meant cleaner races in my experience, now it’s the opposite in my experience. Almost no indication people are trying to avoid contact in early laps, just race with elbows out and rely on the penalty system. There clearly people who have figured out how to take advantage of it, and choose too instead of using skill. Pretty disgusting

Who’s the better penalty abuser is not a mini game I want to play, thinking I need a little break, or just tank my DR, and go play with people who want to actually race

 

[Pigems]

I dont think its great algorithm to start with.

The whole logic of finish in top 10 then only you get DR increase is itself flawed. Guy who started 20th n finished 11th gets no reward at all. He had a excellent race gaining 9 positions yet he gets nothing.

Door number doesnt matter unless you finish top 10.

Qualify well or you are doomed isnt right.

It has nothing to with finishing top 10, you have to finish ahead of the drivers with more DR than yourself to gain any significant amount of DR points.

Why should a guy who starts 20th and finished 11th get many point if his DR was #2-5 in the room? He finished below where he should have according to DR score.

There is a thread somewhere with all the details @Famine knows.

A quick explanation.

Door numbers mean little when you or other in the room are below DR.B (below 10,000 DR)
Door number is your DR reverse sorted alphabetically, 9 gets door number one, 8,000 comes after 900, etc.

The formula for DR is

You gain 80 points from each driver you finish ahead of, adjusted for the difference in your DR vs the other driver's DR

80 + (DR difference / 500) for each driver.

If your DR is higher you get less points (minimum 1)
If your DR is lower you get more points (maximum 160)

It's a zero sum exchange, so in reverse you give 80 points to each driver you finish behind.
(You can't end up below 1 yet still give out the points you owe, technically not zero sum, point inflation happens at the bottom)
Disconnecting counts as finishing last (you still give points to those who do stay connected until the end)

To get off the ground, you'll need to finish about half way up. It depends on the room though and who you beat. If you get matched with an A/S driver who crashes or disconnect, you'll get 160 points from that driver alone.

SR is a tricky subject especially now penalties have harsh SR deductions while still being assigned wrong far more often than not.
SR is the first factor in matchmaking and is the reason why the competition often seems completely unfair.

Any SR Down (penalty or not), getting the orange SR Down arrow for contact with another car deducts 10 SR.
Race A and B usually only give out 4 to 6 SR for a clean race, Race C nowadays is worth around 12 points per race.
This combined with penalties being assigned wrongly most of the time, does not guarantee any better racing at SR.S than at SR.C :/

In my experience, racing as DR.B SR.C is much better nowadays than at DR.A SR.S, sad but it's been like that for a couple months now.
Time of day, whether you do Race A/B or C make a big difference in where your SR goes, it has little left to do with sportmanship or driving by generally accepted racing rules. https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

Matchmaking works by collecting all entries between 90 and 99 SR, sort on DR, create rooms.
Then collect all entries between 80 and 89 SR, sort on DR, add the highest DR to the left over spots in the last room created and continue.

This results in for example getting rooms like
1. A+/S90+ to B/S90+
2. B/S90+ to D/S90+
3. A+/S80+ with D/S90+ (the last D/S90+ room had spots left over which get filled with the highest DR in 80-89 range creating a A+ with D room)
4. A/S80+ to C/S80+
5. A/S70+ with C/S80+ to D/S80+ (the last 80-89 SR room had spots left over which get filled by the highest DR in 70-79 range)
etc

Matchmaking only really works in the 90 to 99 SR room, the rest all easily get messed up due to how the server fills up rooms.
Still when there aren't that many entries the top room is usually A+/S90+ to D/S90+, you don't stand a chance.

SR.B is the largest group, which makes the competition the closest. Most people to choose from to make evenly matched rooms. That is, if it weren't for DR resets and alt accounts coming through. (people that are labeled DR.B but drive like DR.A or A+)

Closer matched in pace also means more chance at contact and bad penalties, hence SR.B is such a difficult place to advance from.


Head spinning yet?

Don't worry too much about SR, D/S is the most demotivating place to be, usually getting matched with rabbits that are impossible to catch leading to getting timed out before the finish. D/S is only good for maintaining SR.99 since the field spreads out so quickly reducing chance of contact.

 

[MIE1992]

Even though it’s the day before rotation, my time of 2:26.387 is within the top
150 for my region. That’s great, considering that it’s nearing the end of this rotation.

 

[Skipflap]

Excatly how i feel about getting into A.. Im just going to start quitting races. Im still starting top 5 at Fuji but there is little advantage of this after 1 lap. Ill happy give the inside up and go the long way round but if your going inside stay inside! You cant have the apex and exit kurb! And there is no way we are going 3 wide through the chicaine, why put yourself there

 

[Mudda Chod]

IMO racing Fuji = death to SR. I refuse to race there. The design of the track does not lend itself to sim racing since the consequence of hitting others is significantly low compared with the real world. (what I'm trying to say is it's a great track in the real world, but not in sim).

Also towards the end of the week, unless your qual time is Alien, you're going to be back in the pack, which amplifies the risk..

In the end, what I'm saying is, choose your battles. Don't race when you're at a disadvantage.

Right now, I'm practicing for tomorrow's race!

 

[Matrix243123]

Time for a sabbatical. Got a message that at some point in the last few days I did something that went over the code of conduct lines. My easiest guess is that it was a line in post race chat, but the only couple of mean lines I sent were aimed at no one in the race. I was obviously stupid to have done it, but it makes me wonder if others I have reported for stuff like that have ever been punished. Who knows. I have asked for clarity on what I did, but knowing the way stuff has operated I don't hold out a lot of hope in finding out.

With the trouble I had this week when I was getting thrashed with penalties in the fun and 99pct clean race A and the struggles I had dealing with raising my SR I see no reason to push into the dailies when Monza and Autopolis are there. I love both of the tracks, but I am sketchy in Gr. 3 at best and Monza will kill me in penalty pain so it is probably best to cool off, do some hot lapping and play another game for the week.
Looking forward to everyone else's reports, keep your head up, foot down and don't be an idiot like I seem to be.

Wow, good to know. Was wondering about that. I'd be in the same boat as you but was close a few times.

 

[Kermit_2142]

The easy solution is to not worry about your dr so much. I busted my ass trying to get A+, caused me a lot of stress and pain along the way. (Got to 49k)
Now I race when I like the combo, run like 5 mins qually and just get stuck in. I’ve come down to middle A now and it doesn’t bother me at all. If you not pushing for world finals DR is irrelevant except to place you in a competitive lobby.

 

[djidane57]

The easy solution is to not worry about your dr so much. I busted my ass trying to get A+, caused me a lot of stress and pain along the way. (Got to 49k)
Now I race when I like the combo, run like 5 mins qually and just get stuck in. I’ve come down to middle A now and it doesn’t bother me at all. If you not pushing for world finals DR is irrelevant except to place you in a competitive lobby.

this , i can get off GT sport for weeks sometimes if i dont like the combos

 

[Skipflap]

The easy solution is to not worry about your dr so much. I busted my ass trying to get A+, caused me a lot of stress and pain along the way. (Got to 49k)
Now I race when I like the combo, run like 5 mins qually and just get stuck in. I’ve come down to middle A now and it doesn’t bother me at all. If you not pushing for world finals DR is irrelevant except to place you in a competitive lobby.

Yeh thats the way im going. It was more of a personal challange for me getting to A.
Well actually goal i set my self was to get to B this year. Im 41 and this my first racing sim type game. Started it at christmas when my son bought it me. Hated it when my mate let me have a go at his when the game came out. Turns out he had all assits on. Turn them off then i was like yeh, now it drives likes a car. Ive been a Bmw tech most my life drive a E46 330i IRL, so oversteer i love it..

*edit .. just had a good race see they are there.. Driver called Gt matrix, or somthing like that, was good battle at last corner. Sure ive seen his name in some form on here before.

 

[Mudda Chod]

I wonder if that Race C next week is gonna have us driving the Red Bull X2014 Junior? I recall an FIA Nations Cup race like that, right down to the grid start with the false start check. I'm looking forward to next week's Race A, too.

Yeah but what's the car for next wk race A?

this , i can get off GT sport for weeks sometimes if i dont like the combos

Not so if you include FIA Cups and Time Trials, and if all else fails go for the Diamonds against Lewis Hamilton. Pretty sure there's enough options to keep you interested.... If you're game to experiment..

(I used that line on a girlfriend once. She left)

 

[SlowDriver87]

Well, got into a few A lobbies again, and I don’t know when this started, but crystal clear penalty system abuse everywhere.
great

B lobbies - more punts from mistakes

A lobbies - more pro penalty abusers

penalties for me trying to simply stay away everywhere.

really encouraging to progress my rank-_-

Not long ago getting into better lobbies meant cleaner races in my experience, now it’s the opposite in my experience. Almost no indication people are trying to avoid contact in early laps, just race with elbows out and rely on the penalty system. There clearly people who have figured out how to take advantage of it, and choose too instead of using skill. Pretty disgusting

Who’s the better penalty abuser is not a mini game I want to play, thinking I need a little break, or just tank my DR, and go play with people who want to actually race

That's exactly how I feel. Of the 4 races I've had in A rank all but 1 were a horror show full of people abusing the penalty system and doing anything they could to win. I had better races midway up DR B. Even when I was closing in on DR A the lobbies were often toxic. Ive done 5 FIA races and 2 of them were some of the worst races I've ever been part of.

I'm taking a break from daily races and will see how I fair in the FIA races next week. I think I might leave Nations Cup Fuji Gr2 though, as it's just asking for trouble.

 

[barak181]

That's exactly how I feel. Of the 4 races I've had in A rank all but 1 were a horror show full of people abusing the penalty system and doing anything they could to win. I had better races midway up DR B. Even when I was closing in on DR A the lobbies were often toxic. Ive done 5 FIA races and 2 of them were some of the worst races I've ever been part of.

I'm taking a break from daily races and will see how I fair in the FIA races next week. I think I might leave Nations Cup Fuji Gr2 though, as it's just asking for trouble.

None of this is sounding great for my goal of reaching DR A.

It's not about trying to reach a WT, as I'm sure that's never going to happen unless somebody takes me along just because I'm that cool, it's a personal challenge and giving myself a goal to work towards. In a game like this, I want to feel like I'm constantly improving my skill level and DR is the built in official measuring stick for that. But I also want clean and fun races. I had enough of people exploiting every glitch and loophole they could find back when I was an actual competitive gamer. That's one of the reasons I stopped competitive gaming. It wasn't fun getting my ass handed to me because I didn't want to cheat.

 

[Skipflap]

Anyone done any car pratice for next week Gr3 Autopolis? I was guessing Viper, Supra, GTR?

 

[barak181]

Time for a sabbatical. Got a message that at some point in the last few days I did something that went over the code of conduct lines. My easiest guess is that it was a line in post race chat, but the only couple of mean lines I sent were aimed at no one in the race. I was obviously stupid to have done it, but it makes me wonder if others I have reported for stuff like that have ever been punished. Who knows. I have asked for clarity on what I did, but knowing the way stuff has operated I don't hold out a lot of hope in finding out.

With the trouble I had this week when I was getting thrashed with penalties in the fun and 99pct clean race A and the struggles I had dealing with raising my SR I see no reason to push into the dailies when Monza and Autopolis are there. I love both of the tracks, but I am sketchy in Gr. 3 at best and Monza will kill me in penalty pain so it is probably best to cool off, do some hot lapping and play another game for the week.
Looking forward to everyone else's reports, keep your head up, foot down and don't be an idiot like I seem to be.

How does that even work, though? I've actually tried to report people to PSN for things that were way offensive and against the PS ToS and all I ever got back was to use the in-game reporting tool. My understanding was that anything that happens in-game is supposed to be handled by the game dev and PS only deals with stuff that happens in the PSN UI.

 

[Kermit_2142]

How does that even work, though? I've actually tried to report people to PSN for things that were way offensive and against the PS ToS and all I ever got back was to use the in-game reporting tool. My understanding was that anything that happens in-game is supposed to be handled by the game dev and PS only deals with stuff that happens in the PSN UI.

It will be for foul language I expect. If the auto erase doesn’t pick it up in game you get a warning from psn. Had it myself a whilst back before I knew it was even a thing . Not moaning though, I think it’s a good idea.

 

[Mudda Chod]

And another thing, what's with this hard tire fetish? 4 or 5 laps with no tire wear...... Why the hell not give us super soft so we can at least enjoy it!!

 

[Redneckchef]

It will be for foul language I expect. If the auto erase doesn’t pick it up in game you get a warning from psn. Had it myself a whilst back before I knew it was even a thing . Not moaning though, I think it’s a good idea.

Yeah, I expect it to be that I put a word over the line, but I usually try to keep the words on the safe side. Just need to know what actually happened and where the line is. I am pretty much just going to have to avoid saying anything.

 

[watto79]

I called someone a cockwomble in post race chat once. They messaged me on PSN because they'd not heard it before and thought it was hilarious. We're pretty good friends now.

 

[SlowDriver87]

None of this is sounding great for my goal of reaching DR A.

It's not about trying to reach a WT, as I'm sure that's never going to happen unless somebody takes me along just because I'm that cool, it's a personal challenge and giving myself a goal to work towards. In a game like this, I want to feel like I'm constantly improving my skill level and DR is the built in official measuring stick for that. But I also want clean and fun races. I had enough of people exploiting every glitch and loophole they could find back when I was an actual competitive gamer. That's one of the reasons I stopped competitive gaming. It wasn't fun getting my ass handed to me because I didn't want to cheat.

I'm the same, I just want to enjoy it but have some sort of progression. I know some people avoid daily races and race in lobbies but for me there's no progression there so they seem a little pointless to me. When I first started GT Sport I anticipated a certain amount of rammers but expected by now I would be avoiding most of them. As others have said it seems it gets worse at the DR A/B divide and only seems to get noticeably better all the way up to about 40K DR, as people are so desperate to get in to A and then to not drop back down to B. I'd love to have the kind of races that some of the top tier drivers have, but I am nowhere near that level and would need to dedicate an eye watering amount of time to get there, if I ever got there at all.

At times I've thought maybe the DR system is too sensitive and perhaps encourages people to race harder so they don't drop points, but it's no excuse for some of the things we all see. It's almost impossible to implement a completely fair penalty system without having real life stewards watching races.

 

[MIE1992]

I had this accident the other day in Race A, and it somehow brought my SR down to A, specifically 79/99, so my DR was left intact. I wasn't too worried, so I did some races this morning, and I got two clean Q2/P2 races back-to-back. Then I actually got a clean Q1/P1! And then at that point, I think my SR was high enough that I started getting put back in the tougher lobbies - but I still got a clean Q7/P3! @BenRod was there for that last one.

 

[liquid_ocelot]

The amount of dirty driving on Fuji is insane. Once someone gets nudged or rammed the whole race turns to a **** show, where everyone becomes ultra defensive. Multiple drivers in my last race (A/S) tried to get payback on the guy who made contact with them and others would get hit in the crossfire, which would cause a domino effect of more dirty driving.

 

[x5abotagex86]

Yea sorry I started this from my post this morning on this thread lol.

Just been really unimpressed with seeing people racing differently with the knowledge of what they can get away with in higher tiers.

Any contact I’ve ever made was 100% a mistake or lack of experience, and do everything in my power to avoid the slightest touches and so on.

but I’m not saying I don’t punt/nudge people off on a daily bases . Well im a lot better at not punting people now anyway...

so I generally give the benefit of a doubt.

and if your an aggressive driver, or risky, that’s racing!

but what I’ve seen is not racing, and was just really disappointed in that, in the higher tier of the community.


But.... sorry to start the direction this thread has taken! I shoulda posted in the penalty thread

goodluck out there!

 

[Tea_Leaves]

The amount of dirty driving on Fuji is insane.

The problem with Fuji is people taking different driving lines to each other, clashing then feel entitled to hit back and cause innocent drivers to become involved and enter the 'fray'. If more were willing to accept that contact can be down to an honest mistake, races would be cleaner.

Yeah but what's the car for next wk race A?

Unknown until tomorrow. I'd like the Mazda Roadster, I think it would be nice to drive around there.

 

[Bertracer]

Wow, good to know. Was wondering about that. I'd be in the same boat as you but was close a few times.

Ohhh, Is monza and autopolis part of the new daily races for next week?

I'm in the UK so it's still showing laguna and suzuka... What's on the plate for next week???

 

[meekrab]

And another thing, what's with this hard tire fetish? 4 or 5 laps with no tire wear...... Why the hell not give us super soft so we can at least enjoy it!!

My theory is the cars' BoP and the daily race lengths are designed for the hards.

Ohhh, Is monza and autopolis part of the new daily races for next week?

I'm in the UK so it's still showing laguna and suzuka... What's on the plate for next week???

PD announces (somewhere?) the races for the next week sometime between Wednesday and Saturday. I generally check Kudosprime on Saturday morning to see what's coming up. On deck for tomorrow we've got Catalunya in an N200 car, 4 laps of Autopolis in group 3, and 11 laps of Monza no chicane in a Gr.X car that's likely to be the RedBull Junior because in the 2019 that would be a ~15 minute race and PD usually aim for about 20.

 

[Bertracer]

Su

My theory is the cars' BoP and the daily race lengths are designed for the hards.


PD announces (somewhere?) the races for the next week sometime between Wednesday and Saturday. I generally check Kudosprime on Saturday morning to see what's coming up. On deck for tomorrow we've got Catalunya in an N200 car, 4 laps of Autopolis in group 3, and 11 laps of Monza no chicane in a Gr.X car that's likely to be the RedBull Junior because in the 2019 that would be a ~15 minute race and PD usually aim for about 20.

Super, thanks for sharing how to find out!!!