"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I'll post this here since the majority of the clips are from daily races, including a couple from this week. Overtaking compilation #3:

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It's 9 minutes long, but 2x speed can halve that

 

[Pigems]

Indeed, to each their own.

I too can appreciate the fine driving needed to win one make races as it’s obviously all down to driver skill but I think there’s a time and place for that and that’s when settings are just that, set for one make. If settings aren’t limited then let’s have a mixed field, I say.

It’s even a bit hypocritical, I’d call it, to ask for more and more cars for the game but then resorting to driving whatever everyone else is. Not aimed directly at you but at anyone who holds such opinions but does the opposite.

For me, I don’t really care about the cars, just the racing. I use bumper cam, so I never see the car I’m driving anyways, as long as it works, I’m good to go. I agree on the no tuning for one makes, that defeats the purpose of a one make.

I would like more tracks though, lots more tracks.

 

[Norrin Radd]

To each their own.

I prefer one make races, that way when it’s over, I know that there’s only one reason why the guys ahead beat me, and it has nothing to do with the cars. I don’t care if it’s a field full of shopping carts, I just wanna win.

Although I do enjoy that too, I like it when different options are there. So car A could do a no stopper, but B is faster and needs to pit sort of thing, but that doesn't come into play as much as it could. This race for example in possible to do non stop on hards, but that option isn't available. If it were we might see a bigger diversity in cars.

 

[NoStopN]

What do you guys think about this questionable tactic for BMB qualifying?
This clip is from the number 1 person in America's region, but numbers 2 & 3 also did it.

I can see both sides of it.
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.

I say it's cheating. The basic rule is if you hit the wall, you are normally assessed a time penalty. I usually get them when I get spun out & hit the wall head on. The game says you have to use the brakes on your own car & nothing else to slow down with, or get the penalty. Chalk it up to another glitch that slipped through PD quality control.

I don’t like it, but if that’s fastest you gotta do that until it’s fixed.

Makes you wonder how important it is for someone to be #1. I don't give a ****, & not many of us give one about who is #1.

Where are all the 08's in Daily C? Man, sheeple are so boring.

They're stuck in 2008.

Of the 16's I can get the best time in the NSX, but it's such a handful and slips if it sniffs paint.

The NSX is a weapon in the right hands. I feel like I got lucky at Suzuka last year. Couldn't break a 1:51 in the GT-R, but cut a 1:49 in the NSX. Got my first Gr. 2 win in the race that followed.

Well, would you go so far as to say they’re completely uncompetitive?

Somebody with skill can make them work. Very few in the game have skill.

 

[Little_Guppy]

As I'm doing badly in race C I've splashed out for the older cars and going to see how they actually compare. They might be pointless for good drivers, but how are they for people like me? 1st race and 3 other 08's

The Nissan '16 is the number 1 choice... 80+%
The Lexus '16 is the number 2 choice.. 10-ish %
This holds at almost every track I have seen them run. There are exceptions for exceptional drivers.

I have picked the Lexus due to its stability... but still getting killed.

Some good empirical resources:
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/carlist.php?cartype=15

Use this link but modify the calendar to July-ish 2020 as the last BoP was in June.
https://gtsport.r1s3.net/laprecords/24/14

19/20 top times are from the Nissan '16.

What do you guys think about this questionable tactic for BMB qualifying?
This clip is from the number 1 person in America's region, but numbers 2 & 3 also did it.

I can see both sides of it.
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.

I read the responses.

It is broken part of the game. The game is intended to model racing so this is just an oversight. Damage mode is off so people will get creative. I believe this is why PD applies a 1.5 sec penalty for hitting walls - to avoid this sort of nonsense. They missed a spot.

I am kinda OK with this in Qualy but not in the race as it is an unexpected maneuver and will affect others. It is hard to say what the moral line is... I will use an extra wide line on the final corner including going beyond track limits to maximize speed for the beginning of the qualy lap. It does not feel like cheating to me but may to others. In the old days the big F1 teams brought qualy engines. I bet the smaller teams though that was cheating.

Thanks so much again Famine. I wish GT Sport did a better job at outlining that in the manual or when you enter the room. The "Sport" area is pretty intimidating when you are new, but the "Lobby" is pretty easy to figure out.

@newb1017,

Trust the system on this one. The game has it's faults but one of the things that PD does well is to bring along newish players and feed them new stuff bit by bit.

The system will match you with like players but it has its limits.

The online multi-player racing is a blast. Get involved and you will not regret it. No one will judge you. If you hit someone say sorry after the race and that will be the end of it.

For your first five races you will not be awarded points and will remain as an E player. After the fifth race you will get 2000 DR points and be rated as a D player. Then you will earn or lose DR and SR points based on results and your sportsmanship. DR=Driver Rating. SR=Safety Rating (Manner points) and goes on a scale of 0-99.

These are good resources to track your progress:

• https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=search
• https://gtsport.r1s3.net/

Enjoy and welcome!

 

[AfraidRacer]

@newb1017 just jump in and follow what @Little_Guppy said, Sport Mode is awesome!
Make sure you spend enough time qualifying.

Also, for those who don’t know, the Captain(@Pigems) is very competitive and he’s in it to win it. He doesn’t follow much real racing and so doesn’t have much nostalgia for racing, but he’s damn FAST.
He won’t use anything that doesn’t give him a competitive advantage.
Not saying it’s a bad thing, just trying to explain to the other side.
Most of us here come from a motorsports/automotive fan background, and nothing is cooler than a full grid of GT1s, for example. But Pigems is more about being good at racing, and he is very good.
We were discussing about ACC setups a while ago, and he said that not using the fastest setup for each car would drive him crazy, knowing that he’s at a disadvantage.

 

[ZiggyS80]

I haven’t won a race on my main account in a long time. Since getting to DR A awhile back I’m a reliably mid-pack racer. In GR 2 machinery I can find myself at the pointy end and snag some podiums, but wins remain elusive. Today I finally got back to the top step in race C!

I had a poor start to the day and lost some SR but was still in S class. The next race I racked up 3 penalties for colliding with another car. Each time it was someone rear-ending me either out of turn 3 or the hairpin, but I got penalized. I finished in an okay spot, but SR tanked to B. Undeterred, I went back in for another go to repair it.

The lobby I join is full of DR C and D and now I’m worried about a target on my back and giving up a ton of points along with a further slide down the SR rabbit hole and a possible reset. In this group my 1:27:9xx was good for pole (even rarer than a win) so I told myself to run like hell and build a gap from all these possible murderers and that’s what I did.

While it wasn’t the most competitive lobby, it was by far my fastest overall time so far. I had a different mindset. I wasn’t chasing after people, I was running from them. Haha, I do okay when properly motivated.

 

[Little_Guppy]

<...snip..>
...so I told myself to run like hell and build a gap from all these possible murderers...
<... snip...>

Ah yes, the proper motivation.

Congratulations!

I did a bunch of laps this morning in all 3 of the race A Nissans.
BMB Infield is a nice track. No track limit worries. Usually, there are plenty of SR penalties at that track, though.

The Fugu and the '89 are both really squirrely. The '07 is by far the most comfortable one for me to drive.
I realize that the Fugu has the best speed potential, but the SH tires make it quite a handful.
When I start racing, I will definitely go with the '07. I'll be less likely to crash with it.
The Weak slipstream should even things out.

On Monday I found the Greddy Fugu lurching and shifting to be unmanageable and switched to the '07. I was able to get some decent times until, well, they were not so decent compared to others. The '07 also lurches but it is more muted. Once I adjusted and determined that it was me causing the lurching through throttle/brakes/gears, I switched back to the Fugu with a better understanding and found more time. I am going to go back and retry the '07 to see if there is anything else to exploit.

Separately, I loaded the ghost to observe the wall bouncers. It seems like an awful lot of work and risk to gain a few tenths. I can't imagine doing that reliably in a race. I didn't use it for my qualy time - life is too short.

 

[newb1017]

@newb1017,

Trust the system on this one. The game has it's faults but one of the things that PD does well is to bring along newish players and feed them new stuff bit by bit.

The system will match you with like players but it has its limits.

The online multi-player racing is a blast. Get involved and you will not regret it. No one will judge you. If you hit someone say sorry after the race and that will be the end of it.

For your first five races you will not be awarded points and will remain as an E player. After the fifth race you will get 2000 DR points and be rated as a D player. Then you will earn or lose DR and SR points based on results and your sportsmanship. DR=Driver Rating. SR=Safety Rating (Manner points) and goes on a scale of 0-99.

These are good resources to track your progress:

• https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=search
• https://gtsport.r1s3.net/

Enjoy and welcome!

Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I did 3 races in the group C event today and it was fun and easy to navigate. I only messed the chicane up once in 39 passes...lol..... I qualified at 133.5 and then 132.8 so I was surprised to be in a race with some 128s.... was fun though. The only people I passed were people who crashed and could not re-catch me....lol What is really helpful is I got to see where I was keeping pace with the leaders and where I was not. Tells me which parts of the track I need to improve on.. I was a bit confused about the med/hard tire thing. I went with mediums before and after the pit stop, but was not sure if was actually supposed to use both at some point. I assume if there is a required switch then the pit gives you no options?? EDIT I just read up that I was supposed to use both or get a post race time penalty. Will used both next time..

 

[RacingGrandpa]

On Monday I found the Greddy Fugu lurching and shifting to be unmanageable and switched to the '07. I was able to get some decent times until, well, they were not so decent compared to others. The '07 also lurches but it is more muted. Once I adjusted and determined that it was me causing the lurching through throttle/brakes/gears, I switched back to the Fugu with a better understanding and found more time. I am going to go back and retry the '07 to see if there is anything else to exploit.

Separately, I loaded the ghost to observe the wall bouncers. It seems like an awful lot of work and risk to gain a few tenths. I can't imagine doing that reliably in a race. I didn't use it for my qualy time - life is too short.

If you haven't already done so the try moving the BB back to 3-4, it makes it much more stable and predictable. If it's too stable toucan move it forward in increments to find your best setting

 

[BalsBrother]

Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I did 3 races in the group C event today and it was fun and easy to navigate. I only messed the chicane up once in 39 passes...lol..... I qualified at 133.5 and then 132.8 so I was surprised to be in a race with some 128s.... was fun though. The only people I passed were people who crashed and could not re-catch me....lol What is really helpful is I got to see where I was keeping pace with the leaders and where I was not. Tells me which parts of the track I need to improve on.. I was a bit confused about the med/hard tire thing. I went with mediums before and after the pit stop, but was not sure if was actually supposed to use both at some point. I assume if there is a required switch then the pit gives you no options?? EDIT I just read up that I was supposed to use both or get a post race time penalty. Will used both next time..

Glad you are enjoying the races there are a blast right? I only started just a bit before Christmas and I am hooked.

Always pay attention to tyre requirements (in race C in particular) or as you found out it's a 60 second penalty as you cross the finish line if you don't use all the required ones. Though from the sounds of it you figured that out which puts you one step ahead of a lot of folks.

I have seen folks raging in chat post race about **** penalty system after they are hit with 60 seconds. I try to tell folks why but a lot don't want to hear or just can't accept they made a mistake.

Not that I am complaining as it's free places for me and it's kind of amusing when you see the same names in several races get the exact same penalty. You just can't help some folks.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I hadn't even considered the Subaru! I've had a few qually laps in the Jaguar F-Type and finding that a bit quicker at the moment. Currently sitting on a low 1:48:3 but stuffed up a good lap where I was on for a 1:47:5. Improvements shall be made!

I'll give the Aston and Corvette a go. Might also break out the R8, that seems to be what the fastest guys are using at the moment.

Had another go late last night, this time in the Jag F-Type. Using the qually lap time I'd run earlier, I was 14th on grid. Kept everything clean and tidy and managed to take 10th place. DR dropped a little (the logarithms said I should be 8th...?) but SR back up to 99 and now on 2 clean races. Want to keep working on this race and keep things clean. Really enjoying this track and this race in general. Will be trying out the Aston Martin tonight, maybe jump in the Audi as well...

 

[BaareCZ]

Where are all the 08's in Daily C? Man, sheeple are so boring.

I've done a couple of races with the '08 Xanavi and PD must have changed something since the last time this combo was on. With the Motul GTR I run mid 1:28s (on the mediums of course). With the Xanavi GTR I just can't get under 1:29. So if I'm in the Xanavi and the guy behind is in the Motul, I'm an easy target. That's all there is to it. But it might be because I've done more than 12000 km in the Motul and only about 500 km in the Xanavi. I'll probably do a couple more races with it just to be sure. The car is probably still competitive, I just don't know it well enough to be competitive in it.

 

[BombayPhantom]

I often think "What is more satisfying? A victory, or a redemption drive?" After my last race, my answer is the latter. Here's why -

Race C. 18th on the grid in the Motul GT-R with Hard tires and TCS1. At the start auto drive cuts off right in the middle of the last corner, and despite being cautious I go a bit too hard on the throttle and I spin. 4 seconds into the race and I have spun out and dropped 2 positions to dead last. I see opportunity

From dead last, I run 3 laps on hards with no traffic, make a stop and switch to mediums with a plan to stop once more. The next 4 laps I am all alone which allows me to go as fast as I can and catch up with the crowd in the front. I gain positions due to others pitting, crashing out at COD, etc. Lap 10 I am running 11th, and have to decide if I pit again or go till the end. I decide not to pit and pull through till the end. BB is moved to the rear and off we go for the final 3 laps.

I lose a few spots to faster drivers on fresher tires, so I don't fight them and let them by. By Lap 12, the gap to the car behind is over 11 seconds, so I see no risk in continuing on the old mediums. I nurse the car home to finish 13th. Redemption!

 

[AfraidRacer]

I often think "What is more satisfying? A victory, or a redemption drive?" After my last race, my answer is the latter. Here's why -

Race C. 18th on the grid in the Motul GT-R with Hard tires and TCS1. At the start auto drive cuts off right in the middle of the last corner, and despite being cautious I go a bit too hard on the throttle and I spin. 4 seconds into the race and I have spun out and dropped 2 positions to dead last. I see opportunity

From dead last, I run 3 laps on hards with no traffic, make a stop and switch to mediums with a plan to stop once more. The next 4 laps I am all alone which allows me to go as fast as I can and catch up with the crowd in the front. I gain positions due to others pitting, crashing out at COD, etc. Lap 10 I am running 11th, and have to decide if I pit again or go till the end. I decide not to pit and pull through till the end. BB is moved to the rear and off we go for the final 3 laps.

I lose a few spots to faster drivers on fresher tires, so I don't fight them and let them by. By Lap 12, the gap to the car behind is over 11 seconds, so I see no risk in continuing on the old mediums. I nurse the car home to finish 13th. Redemption!

Wait, WTF? Never thought I'd see another Indian over here!

 

[NevilleNobody]

Is it just me or is Race C lacking actual racing? It's such a fun drive but cars seem to be separated for some reason. COD butchered two of my three races last night, really annoying, i tend to screw it up when I change tyres.

Speaking of tyres, I tried the 2 stopper and cannot fathom how it can work. You are always in traffic and lose the advantage of having the faster tyre. I am convince, as always, the fastest strategy is slow tyre first, because you lose time tustling at the beginning, then switch tot he faster tyre in cleanish air and run qualy laps.

 

[KiepeYai]

Is it just me or is Race C lacking actual racing? It's such a fun drive but cars seem to be separated for some reason. COD butchered two of my three races last night, really annoying, i tend to screw it up when I change tyres.

Speaking of tyres, I tried the 2 stopper and cannot fathom how it can work. You are always in traffic and lose the advantage of having the faster tyre. I am convince, as always, the fastest strategy is slow tyre first, because you lose time tustling at the beginning, then switch tot he faster tyre in cleanish air and run qualy laps.

Not sure why some needs to do two stops, mediums last 8 >10 laps without a problem, and you only lose +1sec or less on hards, while pitloss is about 8-9secs,

 

[BombayPhantom]

Is it just me or is Race C lacking actual racing? It's such a fun drive but cars seem to be separated for some reason. COD butchered two of my three races last night, really annoying, i tend to screw it up when I change tyres.

Speaking of tyres, I tried the 2 stopper and cannot fathom how it can work. You are always in traffic and lose the advantage of having the faster tyre. I am convince, as always, the fastest strategy is slow tyre first, because you lose time tustling at the beginning, then switch tot he faster tyre in cleanish air and run qualy laps.

Are you taking COD flat out? Is it possible with the GR2 cars? I lift before entering and get onto power after the first apex.

For strategy, slower tire first is my preferred option most of the times.

Wait, WTF? Never thought I'd see another Indian over here!

Well hello there

 

[Norrin Radd]

Is it just me or is Race C lacking actual racing? It's such a fun drive but cars seem to be separated for some reason. COD butchered two of my three races last night, really annoying, i tend to screw it up when I change tyres.

Speaking of tyres, I tried the 2 stopper and cannot fathom how it can work. You are always in traffic and lose the advantage of having the faster tyre. I am convince, as always, the fastest strategy is slow tyre first, because you lose time tustling at the beginning, then switch tot he faster tyre in cleanish air and run qualy laps.

I've been doing it 1H/5-7M/5-7M, normally the stragglers are still behind so you end up where you would be without pitting quite quickly. So your either racing against people on hards and have an advantage or going to hards and you've got a huge advantage especially as you can pit when you want. My overall times are about 15 secs quicker than 1 stop, but because my grip level is constant I make far fewer mistakes.

Not sure why some needs to do two stops, mediums last 8 >10 laps without a problem, and you only lose +1sec or less on hards, while pitloss is about 8-9secs,

It's only about 6 secs so the time loss is about the same, but as I said above your grip level is consistent so it's easier to be consistent.

 

[jad866]

Are you taking COD flat out? Is it possible with the GR2 cars? I lift before entering and get onto power after the first apex.

For strategy, slower tire first is my preferred option most of the times.



Well hello there

you can take COD flat out on mediums and hards once I have a gap of about 2 or 3 sec to the car behind and late in the race i am a little cautious but with fresh tires its flat out..

 

[KosmoKazi]

Are you taking COD flat out? Is it possible with the GR2 cars? I lift before entering and get onto power after the first apex.

For strategy, slower tire first is my preferred option most of the times.



Well hello there

You can take the COD 'flat out', though you have to hit it perfectly to truly not lift at all. If you enter that section at the right speed, you should be hitting an upshift just as you touch the right side curb after the first turn into that section... upshift as you touch the first part of the curb and turn in to the left to approach the exit, aiming the car at the inside along the wall corner on the left, while looking at the exit corner on the right side (I find it best to look at the bottom of the wall and curbs, not he wall, as they blend in)... when you shift, it's virtually a little 'lift' on the throttle, just enough to help the car rotate to the trajectory you want on the exit.

 

[Norrin Radd]

you can take COD flat out on mediums and hards once I have a gap of about 2 or 3 sec to the car behind and late in the race i am a little cautious but with fresh tires its flat out..

Yes I can take COD flat out, but tend not to bother as the maybe half sec saved against the up to 10 secs when you bin it just doesn't work out.

 

[KiepeYai]

I've been doing it 1H/5-7M/5-7M, normally the stragglers are still behind so you end up where you would be without pitting quite quickly. So your either racing against people on hards and have an advantage or going to hards and you've got a huge advantage especially as you can pit when you want. My overall times are about 15 secs quicker than 1 stop, but because my grip level is constant I make far fewer mistakes.



It's only about 6 secs so the time loss is about the same, but as I said above your grip level is consistent so it's easier to be consistent.

I guess it works if you in mid-pack then, cant see how you can win with that tbf,

6 secs in the pits yeah but you lose 1- 2 secs more on the run to turn 1,

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Not sure why some needs to do two stops, mediums last 8 >10 laps without a problem

Yep, a two stop is overkill. Medium tyres after 6 laps are fine so a diminishing return to pit for another set.

When I ran this race Monday, I did 12M/1H. Hards felt worse and I was slower than worn Mediums. That said, do what works best for you.

 

[Norrin Radd]

I guess it works if you in mid-pack then, cant see how you can win with that tbf,

6 secs in the pits yeah but you lose 1- 2 secs more on the run to turn 1,

Yeah you might lose 1-2 to turn 2 and yes it's not a strategy to win, but I'm Q12-16 normally (now Q13) I'm looking for the most consistent race I can do and that's the method that works for me. If I was better then I'd probably do the one stop too.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I never take COD flat, even in qualifying. I always lift in the race but still bin it regularly. It just butchers the race for me so often, i hate it.

My issue with 2 stopping is to make up the 6 or so seconds in 6 laps you really need clean air, by the time i cleared the slower cars in front of me I was where i would have been starting on hards anyways and all i did was risk my neck, i cannot make the numbers work.

 

[BombayPhantom]

Tried COD flat out. Couldn't do full flat out, but much better than what I was doing previously. I also saw the replays for the Top 5 in the region and found the areas where I could improve. I went from a 1.30.6 to a 1.29.5. Now off to the races

 

[KosmoKazi]

Yes I can take COD flat out, but tend not to bother as the maybe half sec saved against the up to 10 secs when you bin it just doesn't work out.

During the race, this is a great point. I also make sure that I get thru clean in the race, there's no point in boasting about being flat out when you hit it one time out of 13 and lost four positions for it, what's there to brag about?! I'm happier with a drive from 8th to 3rd, with a clean race bonus and not a scratch on the Nissan at the end, than I am if I could manage to get thru the COD flat every lap. In said example, I had a 5 sec lead over 4th heading into the last lap, and man, is it a nice feeling when you can just coast the last lap and not worry about things like messing up the COD or over-shooting the hard right hander at the end of Sector 2... just bring it home safely after a smart drive.

For qualifying, though, you do want to push it as it pays handsomely with maybe 0.5-0.6 when you nail it... giving you the benefit of starting much closer to the front of the pack each race thereafter, which is critical.

 

[NevilleNobody]

i will have to try in qualy, but three times now I have been up 0.6 on my 29.0 and three times i have butchered the COD and that is lifting so how i do it flat is beyond me.

 

[Groundfish]

Makes you wonder how important it is for someone to be #1. I don't give a ****, & not many of us give one about who is #1

I was assuming he planned to race, Racing’s racing. It’s “friendliness” level is dictated by the rules.
It’s the way it is in the sport mode. If you’re not racing and you like driving with other non ai on track it’s cool. I’ve done that a lot, but even sometimes starting out like that you end up in a race.
Anyways....

I ran a couple C races from the back yesterday against the A S crowd.
Be aware the cars much heavier with fuel.
Nobody I saw 2 stopped.
I started med then went to RH.
These cars are fun. People really seemed to be trying hard to stay clean.
I made some nice overtakes, but also got banged up by some South Americans.
Dirty air is a thing. For me I’m going to switch things up to A race tonight.
The Lexus performed well on C. I spent some time in the Xanavi yesterday but even on nice clean laps its .5 to 1 sec a lap slow in my hands. Interesting that cars TCS really hurts it, had to use 0. On Lexus I use 3. I haven’t tried the newer GTR. The Xanavi is more mechanical grip and can rotate amazingly well on weak abs but it’s very tricky to use well.
The key to Lexus speed is shift point. You don’t wind it out all the way.
Even at A S I saw tons of 0 tcs induced crashes...
I’m not going to qualify there, since I’m sure A and B will gift a few needless sr downs...
Also on COD lifting off destabilizes the car