DLC in GT5?

[jjaisli]

i would agree with you that i am being "cheap", if it were not for the fact that GT4 had more events than 5. what's the point of a game like GT5 having 200+ cars more than its predecessor if it has fewer tracks and events?

the point i am trying to make with DLC as far as GT5 is concerned is this, i would sooner buy an expansion pack than DLC for a few simple reasons...


on the plus side and to name only 2 valid reasons.
if my console ever dies its either a repair job or new console, either way i still have the additional content.

i can resale it if i ever decide i no longer need/want the content or a new pack comes out.


on the downside,
DLC from what i understand has neither of those options, you pay, you D/L, if your machine dies and is beyond repair you lose the content...is that correct?

if the DLC is made in such a way that you can burn it to disc (along with whatever protection to stop pirating is fine by me) so i have something concrete in my hand, or i can save it to my PN account and D/L at will then i have no problem with DLC. if i cant do that then i refuse to pay for DLC.

edit, and just for the record...i am FAAAAAR from "cheap", but i do have a problem if i feel i am being ripped off, which is exactly how i will feel if DLC is not done in such a way that i only pay once regardless of how many times i need to D/L it.

DLC, in whatever form, is the way things are going. It cost money to produce discs, cases, move them from place to place, put them on a shelf and hold them in inventory. Brick and Mortar stores are surely fighting this trend and for good reason. But just like the video kiosk, they'll soon be a thing of the past. Personally, I'm fine with the cloud concept when it comes to music and PC software. I haven't bought a music CD or hard box copy of software in years. But when it comes to movies, or even my console games, I'm a bit funny. I LIKE having the physical median there. But it's the direction the industry is going. I'm guessing with the next generation of consoles, most games people buy will be purchased from the online store. It's a trend which is unlikely to stop.

That said, and you should know better, always back-up your files. If you or anybody, hasn't already done so, I strongly recommend you buy a portable 2.5" bus powered USB drive and back up your PS3 once every other week or so, just like I'm SURE you're already doing with your PC. Seriously, you can pick up such drives for $60~$70, at least here in the US and it's a great piece of mind. And if you ever upgrade your PS3, it's an easy path to transfer your data. This way, you don't have to worry about losing your data. Having a back up for your electronic media should be a given in today's world.

 

[drivingmeinsane]

call me old fashioned but i also refuse to buy online content such as movies/music because there is nothing physical in my hand.
if by some freak of advancement stores stop selling packaged items and the entertainment industry moves solely to selling movies/music/games and whatnot via direct D/L from online stores, then i will stop buying any of their crap.

and yes, i have backed up my PS3 but i STILL want the disc in my hand or somewhere else i can access the content any time i please.

 

[NOS Waster]

call me old fashioned but i also refuse to buy online content such as movies/music because there is nothing physical in my hand.
if by some freak of advancement stores stop selling packaged items and the entertainment industry moves solely to selling movies/music/games and whatnot via direct D/L from online stores, then i will stop buying any of their crap.

and yes, i have backed up my PS3 but i STILL want the disc in my hand or somewhere else i can access the content any time i please.

Well, sorry to dissapoint you, but the industry is moving toward the "Cloud" concept. Eventually, we will not have discs to watch movies or play games on (for new purchases). It's going to happen, so you might as well not limit yourself because don't like the concept and want physical media.
I personally hate physical media because there's two things that could go wrong. Disc reader error and disc error. (disc error means damage, lost, stolen. etc.)

 

[Mkwone]

I'm all for DLC, the more choice the better. Although i'd hope they went for the Singstar method (i know someone else mentioned this approach as well) where they offer a steady steam of cars on a weekly basis, so you're not expected to buy every car that's released, but buy the ones that you want.

And you could do the same with events, for instance they could have more car specific races, say a Citreon 2CV rally.

In all honesty i'm suprised there's been no offical word on DLC, but i can't imagine them not releasing any.

 

[Dominator]

I say yes, but if its free. DLC´s like Evo IX Full Tuned or other cars fully tuned, or more spoilers and rims like some of you people say, yeah, it would be fun to download it, but ONLY if its free. If you need to pay, i would say, that DLC should include very good items/cars. Of course Premium Cars.

 

[tankuroded]

Definitely yes. Features that were supposed to be in the game since the release date are missing, others are crippled, and in general the game doesn't feel as polished as previous titles. We're doing the betatesting work, I think.

In another words, so, GT5 is a rushed game, just like GT2?

 

[E28]

The only way I can see discs still going if if you are able to transfer the entire game to your console, allowing disc-less playing. Many people already do this with iTunes, buying albums at shops and then adding the music to their computer where it can then be added to iPods, Phones, etc.

This method would appeal to people with stingy broadband limits and gamecollectors.

 

[Z o n d a]

why not.

 

[will4noobs]

what?! rims and spoilers and for boy racers

we want more tracks and cars

 

[Wolf-M]

I want DLC. I want free DLC. But the truth is, even if they set a price to it, I will still pay for it.

 

[TurboProp]

Yes, I want ALOT more tracks and premium cars. I would pay for some but PD SHOULD give us some cars and tracks too.

 

[Le Mans 88]

Spa, Silverstone, Brands Hatch, Road Atlanta, Sebring, Bathurst.

2010 Le Mans LMP and GT pack.

Group B Rally car pack.

Group A Touring car pack.

Willing to pay £30-£40 for the above.

 

[greekbull]

Yes this game desperately needs more premium cars!!! I would much...much rather have the same offering of 500 cars that are in Forza 3 with GT5 physics and graphics over the 200ish Premium(mostly boring) and 800 standard(most of the good cars) setup GT5 has now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Forza fan, and I much prefer GT5, but I am not happy at all with the car offering.

 

[Le Mans 88]

PD could milk this game for the life of the PS3 with new cars/tracks and put most of their resources into a PS4 launch title.

There's no need for another PS3 GT.

 

[DawidM]

PD have a two way:

1) Give Us a convert standard cars(really important for motorization all time) to premium cars (regularly for a few month), and maybe some new or convert tracks.

2) Give Us a hot new premium cars and maybe some tracks, and a lot of standard cars be convert to premium for GT6.

Also I rely to PD, to give Us a patch(to liquidate a imperfection=example like a shadows on cars in replay, do sth with race in real time change weather, I want to start in rainy/sunny weather not ONLY rainy weather...etc.)

PS. And PD, impose restrictions for sesonal racing again(we don't need a casual racing :/)

 

[GTMusicMan]

I don't see why anyone would be against it as long as it did nothing to harm the current game. New cars, features, and tracks would always be a plus imo. One thing I would really like to see is fully customizable a-spec races....the cars you want, at the track you want, and for the length you want.

 

[tezster]

As long as they keep the prices reasonable, I'm all for DLC. A lot of games have them, there's certainly no reason why GT5 shouldn't

 

[Destinkeys]

I believe it's important we differentiate between DLC and 'patches'...

Personally, I am not willing to pay another red cent for features that SHOULD have been in GT5 in the first place, particularly all features axed from GT4. We had a perfectly reasonable expectation that things that worked well in GT4 and GT5p migrate to GT5. Leaderboards, downgrade-able cars, working gearboxes, high A-Spec to B-Spec ratio, etc., etc..

But, once the game is FIXED, I am perfectly willing to pony up for additional content. Particularly more tracks, even imaginary ones. And if some of the legacy tracks are given the hi-def work-over, I could be tempted there, too. But if PD try to make us PAY for additional content before GT5 is patched into a logical successor to GT4/5p, I am going to be upset. They have sold countless millions of GT5, by now. They sure have enough cash floating around that they can spend time to patch the game into a more worthy successor BEFORE they start holding out their grubby little hands again.

I feel that, if the GAME itself is close to perfect, PD could go several years just providing DLC tracks and cars (with events geared to using them) and this would give them the window they need to get GT6 to be less rushed and incomplete than GT5 was. But if they try to get us to slot paid for DLC into a game that is still badly flawed, what is the incentive?

Dumb AI around Bathurst or Spa is going to be no better than dumb AI around Fuji and Suzuka. A Veyron Super Sport that you can't adjust the gear ratios, or add a bit of weight to to abide by a lobby requirement to is no better than a regular Veyron with those handicaps.

Fix the game FIRST, THEN add the DLC.

 

[Mcjoz88]

I believe it's important we differentiate between DLC and 'patches'...

Personally, I am not willing to pay another red cent for features that SHOULD have been in GT5 in the first place, particularly all features axed from GT4. We had a perfectly reasonable expectation that things that worked well in GT4 and GT5p migrate to GT5. Leaderboards, downgrade-able cars, working gearboxes, high A-Spec to B-Spec ratio, etc., etc..

But, once the game is FIXED, I am perfectly willing to pony up for additional content. Particularly more tracks, even imaginary ones. And if some of the legacy tracks are given the hi-def work-over, I could be tempted there, too. But if PD try to make us PAY for additional content before GT5 is patched into a logical successor to GT4/5p, I am going to be upset. They have sold countless millions of GT5, by now. They sure have enough cash floating around that they can spend time to patch the game into a more worthy successor BEFORE they start holding out their grubby little hands again.

I feel that, if the GAME itself is close to perfect, PD could go several years just providing DLC tracks and cars (with events geared to using them) and this would give them the window they need to get GT6 to be less rushed and incomplete than GT5 was. But if they try to get us to slot paid for DLC into a game that is still badly flawed, what is the incentive?

Dumb AI around Bathurst or Spa is going to be no better than dumb AI around Fuji and Suzuka. A Veyron Super Sport that you can't adjust the gear ratios, or add a bit of weight to to abide by a lobby requirement to is no better than a regular Veyron with those handicaps.

Fix the game FIRST, THEN add the DLC.

I agree 100% man. I like your way of thinking. It just makes sense, plain and simple. Unfortunately, thinking logically is often swept under the rug, so to speak, in favor of easier or quicker methods...

I also believe that maybe Kaz and PD were pressured into releasing the game early by Sony, in time for the holidays, so some features were cut, some rushed, etc, in order to fit in with the release date given to them. That is probably the reason Kaz said the game would be updated every month, to iron out these potholes that we have driven through.

It still worries me though, that they would choose to focus their time on developing this GT Anywhere B-spec feature, instead of fixing these issues. Unless the February update will have more to it than just that feature?

I say, just hold out, wait a couple months, to see if their planned monthly updates will come, and what they will include. I mean, really, this game has only been out a couple months. Let's not get greedy here...

 

[Wolf-M]

I believe it's important we differentiate between DLC and 'patches'...

Personally, I am not willing to pay another red cent for features that SHOULD have been in GT5 in the first place, particularly all features axed from GT4. We had a perfectly reasonable expectation that things that worked well in GT4 and GT5p migrate to GT5. Leaderboards, downgrade-able cars, working gearboxes, high A-Spec to B-Spec ratio, etc., etc..

But, once the game is FIXED, I am perfectly willing to pony up for additional content. Particularly more tracks, even imaginary ones. And if some of the legacy tracks are given the hi-def work-over, I could be tempted there, too. But if PD try to make us PAY for additional content before GT5 is patched into a logical successor to GT4/5p, I am going to be upset. They have sold countless millions of GT5, by now. They sure have enough cash floating around that they can spend time to patch the game into a more worthy successor BEFORE they start holding out their grubby little hands again.

I feel that, if the GAME itself is close to perfect, PD could go several years just providing DLC tracks and cars (with events geared to using them) and this would give them the window they need to get GT6 to be less rushed and incomplete than GT5 was. But if they try to get us to slot paid for DLC into a game that is still badly flawed, what is the incentive?

Dumb AI around Bathurst or Spa is going to be no better than dumb AI around Fuji and Suzuka. A Veyron Super Sport that you can't adjust the gear ratios, or add a bit of weight to to abide by a lobby requirement to is no better than a regular Veyron with those handicaps.

Fix the game FIRST, THEN add the DLC.

I, on the other hand, am content with the game as it is now (not that it's perfect). I'd rather see some new tracks/premium cars that I can race with...

Probably that's because I mostly race online now and have never touched the single player portion since I completed the Red Bull Challenge (which I see as the end of the SP game)

 

[Destinkeys]

I, on the other hand, am content with the game as it is now (not that it's perfect). I'd rather see some new tracks/premium cars that I can race with...

Probably that's because I mostly race online now and have never touched the single player portion since I completed the Red Bull Challenge (which I see as the end of the SP game)

Content with no leaderboards, content with being unable to down-tune a car for a particular lobby, content with no Matched Racing (Spec cars, Manufacturer stock races, whatever you want to call them), content with no easy matchmaking? Content with how flaky the servers are? Content that racing online can nerf your DFGT? Content you can't adjust individual gear ratios?

You have somewhat lower standards than me, then in that case. Having had these features on other racing games, and considering them quite basic (and some of them were on earlier GT games), I don't consider even THIS part of the game finished, by a long shot.

 

[CarreraGT]

Content with no leaderboards, content with being unable to down-tune a car for a particular lobby, content with no Matched Racing (Spec cars, Manufacturer stock races, whatever you want to call them), content with no easy matchmaking? Content with how flaky the servers are? Content that racing online can nerf your DFGT? Content you can't adjust individual gear ratios?

You have somewhat lower standards than me, then in that case. Having had these features on other racing games, and considering them quite basic (and some of them were on earlier GT games), I don't consider even THIS part of the game finished, by a long shot.

You forget crappy AI and collision sounds, lack of tracks and premium cars, quality/lack of A-spec events, B-spec, lack of customization, damage, poor implementation NASCAR, WRC and TG test track, standard cars, graphical bugs, average weather effects etc....

I am content with lapping the Nordschleife in time trial mode with no AI in sight, but how long will that last?

 

[FLIGHT50]

Do you want DLC in GT5? I don't. Well, not for track or cars but probably stuff like add on extra customization packages like rims, spoilers.

I bet you have changed your mind about DLC now eh. Considering what we got on Nov 24th. Your idea of DLC is a patch. Customization packages and anything not being tracks and/or cars is nothing more than patches.

 

[gemmy]

I would like to see DLC on this game, like new premium cars,rims,tracks

 

[DawidM]

I believe it's important we differentiate between DLC and 'patches'...

Personally, I am not willing to pay another red cent for features that SHOULD have been in GT5 in the first place, particularly all features axed from GT4. We had a perfectly reasonable expectation that things that worked well in GT4 and GT5p migrate to GT5. Leaderboards, downgrade-able cars, working gearboxes, high A-Spec to B-Spec ratio, etc., etc..

But, once the game is FIXED, I am perfectly willing to pony up for additional content. Particularly more tracks, even imaginary ones. And if some of the legacy tracks are given the hi-def work-over, I could be tempted there, too. But if PD try to make us PAY for additional content before GT5 is patched into a logical successor to GT4/5p, I am going to be upset. They have sold countless millions of GT5, by now. They sure have enough cash floating around that they can spend time to patch the game into a more worthy successor BEFORE they start holding out their grubby little hands again.

I feel that, if the GAME itself is close to perfect, PD could go several years just providing DLC tracks and cars (with events geared to using them) and this would give them the window they need to get GT6 to be less rushed and incomplete than GT5 was. But if they try to get us to slot paid for DLC into a game that is still badly flawed, what is the incentive?

Dumb AI around Bathurst or Spa is going to be no better than dumb AI around Fuji and Suzuka. A Veyron Super Sport that you can't adjust the gear ratios, or add a bit of weight to to abide by a lobby requirement to is no better than a regular Veyron with those handicaps.

Fix the game FIRST, THEN add the DLC.

I agree with You in 100%. I also talk about this here So first fix the game, and until then dlc the game

 

[Leewalt]

They need to bring something new I'm bored allready

 

[ControlledAnger]

Just give me a premium Supra 2jzgte 97 and be done with it.

Moving right along..

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

when they update some of the standards to premium I hope its free
but as for DLC cars only new cars
Like CTS V,Charger etc

or make it DLC like
Tuners
Sedans
Classics etc.

 

[Smart_Roadster]

I'd like to see all the previous GT tracks that aren't in GT5, including both the SSR11 layouts, plus Yas Marina Circuit, a street circuit in San Fran and Rockingham Motor Speedway (the British one); and the following cars:

• 
  MINI Countryman WRC '11
  Smart Roadster '03
  RenaultSport Twingo 133 Cup '08
  Ferrari FXX '05
  Lancia New Stratos '11
  Ariel Atom 500 V8 '10
  Ford GT90 Concept '95
  Ginetta G50 EV '10
  Ford GTX1 Prototype '05
  Minibusa 1300 Turbo '03
  Lamborghini Sesto Elemento Concept '10
  Morris Mini Cooper S 1275 Rally Car '64
  Abarth Monomile '61
  Abarth 695 SS '63
  Abarth 500 R3T Rally Car '09
  Citroën DS3 Racing '10
  Mini Coupé Concept '09
  Mini Roadster Concept '09
  Mazda MX-5 Superlight Concept '09
  Jaguar D-Type '54
  Saab Sonett I '55
  Volkswagen Race Touareg 3 Concept '11
  K-1 Kaira Attack '02
  Kia Kee Concept '07
  Maserati Tipo 61 '59
  Alfa Romeo MiTo GTA Concept '09
  Alfa Romeo MiTo Quadrifoglio Verde '10
  Ford Shelby Cobra Concept '04
  Ford Shelby GR-1 Concept '05
  Lancia Beta Monte Carlo '75

I would also like to see track deformation, more premium cars, more RM cars and live weather updates for real locations (eg, if it's snowing in Eiger IRL, it will snow there on the game, etc).

Phew! I don't expect much, do I?

 

[Smart_Roadster]

Digital Liberty Coalition? Dalian Zhoushuizi International Airport? Democratic Leadership Council? Development life cycle? Diamond-like carbon? Driver License Compact? Dual-listed company? Delocalized coordinates? Downloadable content? Data Length Code? Data Link Control? Desktop Linux Consortium? Digital loop carrier?

Note to self: don't expect everyone to know the acronyms!

DLC, in this case, is Downloadble Content.