Do you believe in God?

[dxld]

Not filling the next ten pages with refusing to accept the meaning of the word slavery, will serve you well.

"Is there evidence of a belief in slavery?" Now, the most ambiguous sentence in history.

No I am not going to go into the dark path of making up words like unslaveist or non-slaveist or aeslaveist,

 

[Imari]

Compared to being homeless and unemployed in today's time, those Slaves had a decent life.

Still has nothing to do with it. Slavery is about you being someone else's property. Homeless and unemployed people may live tough lives, but they do not belong to anyone.

It was under a masters discretion for days off, and a good master could be compared to a good CEO or a good supervisor....

Could be, except that CEOs don't own people. Supervisors don't own people. If I tell my boss to go **** himself, I'll probably get fired but I won't be taken down to the local market and sold.

Stop trying to redefine slavery. As long as you keep trying to do that, I have no qualms about comparing you to SCJ.

 

[dxld]

Still has nothing to do with it. Slavery is about you being someone else's property. Homeless and unemployed people may live tough lives, but they do not belong to anyone.

Could be, except that CEOs don't own people. Supervisors don't own people. If I tell my boss to go **** himself, I'll probably get fired but I won't be taken down to the local market and sold.

Stop trying to redefine slavery. As long as you keep trying to do that, I have no qualms about comparing you to SCJ.

But their are people who do own me, they are my Mother and My Father, and they do not have to give me a single cent of currency. They can order me around and make me do anything that is not sinful. Until the day My spirit leaves this earth or their spirits leave this earth my Parents own me. As they become elderly their bodies and minds may not have as much power or control of me, but they still are my masters. My parents are my masters and they can be good masters or they can be sinful masters. But no I would not define myself as a Slave because I am my parents property.

We can argue forever about the good and bad points of Slavery, I have come to the conclusion that The System of Slavery is severely flawed and because of that serious flaw it is Bad.

... my biggest issue / concern was not defining slavery, but was proving that Jews were Slaves in Egypt and they were mistreated, and it instilled hope for freedom from slavery.

The system of Slavery serves its purpose as a tool to provide labor, but the system has severe flaws because it is up to the the Slave Masters to ensure the slaves are treated fairly. The Hebrews were not treated fairly and for that God brought forth Moses along to demand the freedom of the Hebrews. The Pharaoh was stubborn and would not let the Hebrew people Go, so God sent the the 10 deadly plagues, after so much catastrophe from plague after plague,Pharoah finally let the Hebrews go.
After he let the Hebrews go Pharoahs heart once again became hard and sent most of his Soldiers after the fleeing Hebrews. This led to Moses lifting his walking stick and signaling God to Part the Red Sea. The Hebrews traversed through the opening in the waters with the Egyptian army pursuing. As Moses and all the Jews finally reached the other side he let his arms down and God let the parted walls of water fall and crash on the Egytian Army which crippled the Egyptian Empire. (Many schloars say it is a mystery why the Egyptian Empire to fell, yet the Biblical account tells this as the reason.)

If your boss treats you like crap or treats the people you lead like crap whether you are a slave or an employee, stand up to him and tell him to F--- off! (Or any other clever insult you choose). Moses with the help of God was the originator of "take this Job and Shove It before it ever became popular." He stood up to Big Boss Pharaoh when he abandoned his position as a Prince of Egypt and demanded the freedom of his people! He had God on his side if his demands were not met!
If you follow the path of Moses, the Bible shows you, if you have the faith, if you have the means, and the guts, and the reasoning to stand up to your Boss because of unfair treatment, do it!

I will stand on my position that the Bible teaches there is nothing wrong with being a Slave, it is the Slave Masters who are the ones who are in the the wrong. The Bible does not encourage Slavery, but it encourages passive restraint until the opportunity of freedom arises.

 

[Denur]

I will stand on my position that the Bible teaches there is nothing wrong with being a Slave, it is the Slave Masters who are the ones who are in the the wrong. The Bible does not encourage Slavery, but it encourages passive restraint until the opportunity of freedom arises.

I don't think you know your own bible very well:

42 bible verses about slavery

And some of these verses on slavery in the bible with interpretation are quoted below:

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can do. Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments. The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants. Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is. While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.


The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)


Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?


The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!


What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.


When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.


The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

[Imari]

But their are people who do own me, they are my Mother and My Father, and they do not have to give me a single cent of currency. They can order me around and make me do anything that is not sinful. Until the day My spirit leaves this earth or their spirits leave this earth my Parents own me. As they become elderly their bodies and minds may not have as much power or control of me, but they still are my masters. My parents are my masters and they can be good masters or they can be sinful masters. But no I would not define myself as a Slave because I am my parents property.

That's VERY different. You're choosing to define yourself as your parents property. You CHOOSE to obey their commands. As long as you're an adult, they can't actually force you to do anything.

And anyway, obedience =/= slavery. Slavery is when someone is the property of another. Your parents do not own you. Your parents cannot legally (or even practically, if you're an adult) sell you.

Moses with the help of God was the originator of "take this Job and Shove It before it ever became popular." He stood up to Big Boss Pharaoh when he abandoned his position as a Prince of Egypt and demanded the freedom of his people! He had God on his side if his demands were not met!
If you follow the path of Moses, the Bible shows you, if you have the faith, if you have the means, and the guts, and the reasoning to stand up to your Boss because of unfair treatment, do it!

Do you seriously believe that Moses was the first person to tell a superior to go **** himself?

 

[dxld]

I don't think you know your own bible very well:

42 bible verses about slavery

-A lot of those verses are about treating slaves fairly and slaves obeying their masters.

Colossians 4:1 ESV

Masters, treat your slaves justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven.






-Another disapproves of physical abuse of slaves.

Exodus 21:26-27 ESV

“When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free because of his eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free because of his tooth.​

-This one prevents people from returning escaped slaves to their master


Deuteronomy 23:15-16 ESV

“You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.






-Time Contracts and ownership rights, yes this one is tricky because of the Master who gives away a Slave as a wife to a Slave under Contract.
Exodus 21:1-36 ESV

“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’










- The last I want to point out as example is this




Galatians 5:1 ESV


For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.






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[Scaff]

... my biggest issue / concern was not defining slavery, but was proving that Jews were Slaves in Egypt and they were mistreated, and it instilled hope for freedom from slavery.

Which you have yet to do.

Please feel free to provide this proof of Jews as slaves in Egypt, as we have yet to see any.

I will stand on my position that the Bible teaches there is nothing wrong with being a Slave, it is the Slave Masters who are the ones who are in the the wrong. The Bible does not encourage Slavery, but it encourages passive restraint until the opportunity of freedom arises.

The bible clearly condones slavery and does so repeatedly. That it states masters should treat slaves well does nothing at all to change to the fact that it still doesn't speak out against owning other human being.

So once again I ask how this part of he bible is a good set of guidelines and rules for modern life (your claim remember)?

 

[dxld]

That's VERY different. You're choosing to define yourself as your parents property. You CHOOSE to obey their commands. As long as you're an adult, they can't actually force you to do anything.

And anyway, obedience =/= slavery. Slavery is when someone is the property of another. Your parents do not own you. Your parents cannot legally (or even practically, if you're an adult) sell you.

Do you seriously believe that Moses was the first person to tell a superior to go **** himself?

No "take this Job(as Prince of Egypt) and shove it" ... and only half serious.

Are we really going to go over the definition of slavery again?...

 

[dxld]

Which you have yet to do.
Please feel free to provide this proof of Jews as slaves in Egypt, as we have yet to see any.

The bible clearly condones slavery and does so repeatedly. That it states masters should treat slaves well does nothing at all to change to the fact that it still doesn't speak out against owning other human being.

So once again I ask how this part of he bible is a good set of guidelines and rules for modern life (your claim remember)?

Galatians 5:1 ESV

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Looks like we can add probability to the list of things you'll happily misrepresent.

There is absolutely no misrepresentation in those statements.

They are pure "facts of reality".
If you don't beleive so, then get out a coin and start tossing it.

While I'm sure some people would actively believe it wouldn't collapse, some would actively believe it would. The majority would, of course, have given it no special thought of any kind and believe in neither outcome.

I don't know a nicer way to put this, other than, only a fool would get on it, if they did not believe it was sound.

Objective evidence - its collapse - gave the outcome, regardless of who believed what about it.

Whoa here.
As usual, you are skipping the relevant and pertinent point.

The objective evidence was repeatedly and observationally sound prior to the incident.

Factually established repeatedly, by objective evidence.

However, it proved completely untrustworthy, at this incidental point in time.

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if some of you have ever heard the term "contingency" before.
It is clearly established by historical record, and therefore exists for good reason.

You'd be one of those people who bets on tails after three heads in a row, wouldn't you? Because you're due for tails.

The more tosses you make, yes the more the odds increase you will get a tails.
If you don't believe it does, call a odds bet maker and give them the details of that bet and with each additional toss they will give you more odds against it being heads again.
Again thats the reality odds as compared to theoretical odds.

You have absolutely no idea how probability works. Just because you tossed a head, doesn't mean that the probability was 100% for heads.

I know how the reality can work out.
In a 50/50 odds situation there is no probability, just balanced possibility.
The fact of reality outcome record in this case is 100/0
Thats what actually was recorded, and it is way out of balance with 50/50.
Now you are into probability, and thats why you will get better odds on a bet, with each toss coming up being the same as the previous, because the outcome is greater and greater to incur the probability of theoretical odds correction back toward 50/50 and come up tails.

 

[Scaff]

Are we really going to go over the definition of slavery again?...

Only as long as you keep attempting to redefine it.

Galatians 5:1 ESV

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery

Which once again makes the bible quite contradictory, you would have thought god could have got it right first time.


Which does nothing to remove the sections that clearly condone slavery (and you have been defending).

 

[Denur]

-A lot of those verses are about treating slaves fairly and slaves obeying their masters.

​

So what? That doesn't make the others any better. You're not going to wiggle your sorry ass out of this one.

The more tosses you make, yes the more the odds increase you will get a tails.

That confirms it: You are utterly clueless.

 

[Scaff]

That confirms it: You are utterly clueless.

Its not the first time SCJ has miss-used probability and utterly failed to understand how it actually works.

 

[dxld]

Galatians 5:1 ESV

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery

Which you have yet to do.

Please feel free to provide this proof of Jews as slaves in Egypt, as we have yet to see any.

I provided they resided in Egypt because of the Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew writing found on Egyyptian Artifacts. Proto-Sinaitic Writing was found in further regions of Egypt as well. the Egyptians did not document the existance of Jews because the jews were servants and beneath them... same way as the Japanese do not put in their School Textbooks that they Invaded and took control of the Philippines. A huge percentage of the younger Japanese population does not know what a Filipino is, and does not know where the Philippines is located on the map.Not only that, but the youth of Japan do not have knowledge they bombed Pearl Harbor.....So in the same way it was easy for the Egyptians to leave the Jews out of their Historical Documentation, especially since there is no other way to record history than to write it on a Wall or on papyrus or on a piece of sculpture.

The evidence for Jews in Egypt is the Biblical Documentation and the existence of Ancient Hebrew writing on Egyptian Artifacts....to the Aetheist it is insufficient documentation.( I'm sorry if you feel that way but I understand) The last big piece of the Puzzle is that the Jewish Bloodline, the Culture, the Religion, and the Language are still in existence to this day.... The once mighty and powerful Ancient Egyptian Civilization, it's people and its language have now disappeared.

All I can do is present you the Puzzle pieces I see, but the connections you will have to make on your own.

If you don't believe in what I say we don't have to dwell on this topic and move on.....we do not have to talk about the Slavery of Jewish People any more. We can talk about something with more recent and relevant evidence.

We can talk about the Holocaust and the Mass Killing of Jewish People and we can talk about the Holocaust Denial in the Middle East... you know...Nazi Germany when they put the Jews in Concentration Camps and they systematically tried to exterminate the entire Jewish Race because Hitler wanted to prove that The Jews were not Gods People.

..... In the Middle East they deny that ever happened....

You can deny Jewish Slavery all you want but if you deny the the Jewish Holocaust I will be baffled......

 

[Imari]

The more tosses you make, yes the more the odds increase you will get a tails.
If you don't believe it does, call a odds bet maker and give them the details of that bet and with each additional toss they will give you more odds against it being heads again.
Again thats the reality odds as compared to theoretical odds.

I have a fair coin here. I have tossed it five times, and got five heads in a row. Unlikely, but not horribly so.

I am going to toss it again. Is the probability that I get tails this time greater, less than or equal to 50%?

...same way as the Japanese do not put in their School Textbooks that they Invaded and took control of the Philippines. A huge percentage of the younger Japanese population does not know what a Filipino is, and does not know where the Philippines is located on the map.Not only that, but the youth of Japan do not have knowledge they bombed Pearl Harbor.....

And I'd love to see how many Americans can find the Phillipines on a map compared to the amount of Japanese. I bet it's not that different.

And there's plenty of young people who know about Pearl Harbour. There is a thing about covering up Japanese "war crimes" in Japanese education, but it's not strictly held to by all Japanese teachers and it's goes through periods of fairly intense scrutiny by the Japanese media every few years.

And besides, Japanese kids aren't any dumber than any other kids. They have the internet, they can read.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/真珠湾攻撃

Your argument is that the Egyptians had slaves, but that there was absolutely no documentation (or that all of it was destroyed). I find that massively unlikely. At the very least, there would be accounts from other societies of the slavery in Egypt. Instead we have one book, the Bible.

I wouldn't trust any one book to tell me that 1+1=2, if it was the only book to do so. Without some sort of corroboration, how could you ever have any confidence in that information?

 

[Dotini]

I provided they resided in Egypt because of the Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew writing found on Egyyptian Artifacts. Proto-Sinaitic Writing was found in further regions of Egypt as well. the Egyptians did not document the existance of Jews because the jews were servants and beneath them... same way as the Japanese do not put in their School Textbooks that they Invaded and took control of the Philippines. A huge percentage of the younger Japanese population does not know what a Filipino is, and does not know where the Philippines is located on the map.Not only that, but the youth of Japan do not have knowledge they bombed Pearl Harbor.....So in the same way it was easy for the Egyptians to leave the Jews out of their Historical Documentation, especially since there is no other way to record history than to write it on a Wall or on papyrus or on a piece of sculpture.

The evidence for Jews in Egypt is the Biblical Documentation and the existence of Ancient Hebrew writing on Egyptian Artifacts....to the Aetheist it is insufficient documentation.( I'm sorry if you feel that way but I understand) The last big piece of the Puzzle is that the Jewish Bloodline, the Culture, the Religion, and the Language are still in existence to this day.... The once mighty and powerful Ancient Egyptian Civilization, it's people and its language have now disappeared.

All I can do is present you the Puzzle pieces I see, but the connections you will have to make on your own.

If you don't believe in what I say we don't have to dwell on this topic and move on.....we do not have to talk about the Slavery of Jewish People any more. We can talk about something with more recent and relevant evidence.

We can talk about the Holocaust and the Mass Killing of Jewish People and we can talk about the Holocaust Denial in the Middle East... you know...Nazi Germany when they put the Jews in Concentration Camps and they systematically tried to exterminate the entire Jewish Race because Hitler wanted to prove that The Jews were not Gods People.

..... In the Middle East they deny that ever happened....

You can deny Jewish Slavery all you want but if you deny the the Jewish Holocaust I will be baffled......

Archeologists now seem to pretty much agree that the pyramids were built by guilds and not slaves. I don't think it is academically disputed that Jews worked in pharaonic Egypt in some capacity - but perhaps not as slaves. More likely scribes, nannies and butlers. Surely they were later enslaved by the Babylonians. Bas reliefs show foreign soldiers taken captive by Egyptian armies. Perhaps some of these invaders were made slaves?

Nobody around here would deny the holocaust, simply because it would be politically incorrect to do so, even if it never happened. Of course we know it occurred. But those who comment upon it often have more important items in their agenda than fidelity to the facts.

 

[dxld]

And I'd love to see how many Americans can find the Phillipines on a map compared to the amount of Japanese. I bet it's not that different.

And there's plenty of young people who know about Pearl Harbour. There is a thing about covering up Japanese "war crimes" in Japanese education, but it's not strictly held to by all Japanese teachers and it's goes through periods of fairly intense scrutiny by the Japanese media every few years.

And besides, Japanese kids aren't any dumber than any other kids. They have the internet, they can read.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/真珠湾攻撃

Your argument is that the Egyptians had slaves, but that there was absolutely no documentation (or that all of it was destroyed). I find that massively unlikely. At the very least, there would be accounts from other societies of the slavery in Egypt. Instead we have one book, the Bible.

I wouldn't trust any one book to tell me that 1+1=2, if it was the only book to do so. Without some sort of corroboration, how could you ever have any confidence in that information?

At that time other surounding societies were developing their own writing systems. Proto Sinaitic was still in developemnt, and phoenecian was next to follow.

 

[Scaff]

I provided they resided in Egypt because of the Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew writing found on Egyyptian Artifacts. Proto-Sinaitic Writing was found in further regions of Egypt as well. the Egyptians did not document the existance of Jews because the jews were servants and beneath them... same way as the Japanese do not put in their School Textbooks that they Invaded and took control of the Philippines. A huge percentage of the younger Japanese population does not know what a Filipino is, and does not know where the Philippines is located on the map.Not only that, but the youth of Japan do not have knowledge they bombed Pearl Harbor.....So in the same way it was easy for the Egyptians to leave the Jews out of their Historical Documentation, especially since there is no other way to record history than to write it on a Wall or on papyrus or on a piece of sculpture.

Once again this is not just a case of being 'written out of history'.

You have failed to account for the following:

No evidence at all of 1 to 2 million people leaving Egypt (which would have left behind considerable physical evidence and had a major impact on the economy of the country).
No evidence of 1 to 2 million people crossing the Sini (that many people traveling and camping would again have left considerable physical evidence)
No evidence of at all of 1 to 2 million people arriving anywhere in the region (which would have left behind considerable physical evidence and had a major impact on the economy of the country).
The conflicting evidence (that most certainly does exists) showing that paid, well treated laborers (from various nations - but predominantly Egyptian) built the pyramids.

So please stopping re-treading the same nonsense and address my question of how exactly the Egyptians managed to 'fake' all of the above?

The evidence for Jews in Egypt is the Biblical Documentation and the existence of Ancient Hebrew writing on Egyptian Artifacts....to the Aetheist it is insufficient documentation.( I'm sorry if you feel that way but I understand) The last big piece of the Puzzle is that the Jewish Bloodline, the Culture, the Religion, and the Language are still in existence to this day.... The once mighty and powerful Ancient Egyptian Civilization, it's people and its language have now disappeared.

And none of it can be supported by any corroborating written or physical evidence!

That the Jewish language outlived the Egyptian one doesn't prove slavery either, but I do love trying to guess what your next odd use of correlation as proof will be.

All I can do is present you the Puzzle pieces I see, but the connections you will have to make on your own.

Evidence is what's needed, not wild assumption. How about you provide that.

If you don't believe in what I say we don't have to dwell on this topic and move on.....we do not have to talk about the Slavery of Jewish People any more. We can talk about something with more recent and relevant evidence.

So you can't/won't address the questions and simply want to move on.

We can talk about the Holocaust and the Mass Killing of Jewish People and we can talk about the Holocaust Denial in the Middle East... you know...Nazi Germany when they put the Jews in Concentration Camps and they systematically tried to exterminate the entire Jewish Race because Hitler wanted to prove that The Jews were not Gods People.

..... In the Middle East they deny that ever happened....

You can deny Jewish Slavery all you want but if you deny the the Jewish Holocaust I will be baffled......

What the!!!!

So as you can't provide any evidence to back up your claim, you make a thinly veiled accusation of holocaust denial at me!

Quite frankly that's a pathetic and insulting straw-man of an argument. Once again one of these has a staggering amount of evidence to support the fact that it happened (the holocaust) and the other doesn't (Jews as slaves in ancient Egypt).

 

[Imari]

What the!!!!

So as you can't provide any evidence to back up your claim, you make a thinly veiled accusation of holocaust denial at me!

Quite frankly that's a pathetic and insulting straw-man of an argument. Once again one of these has a staggering amount of evidence to support the fact that it happened (the holocaust) and the other doesn't (Jews as slaves in ancient Egypt).

As per Godwin's Law, @dxld just lost the debate. Next!

 

[dxld]

And none of it can be supported by any corroborating written or physical evidence!

That the Jewish language outlived the Egyptian one doesn't prove slavery either, but I do love trying to guess what your next odd use of correlation as proof will be.
Evidence is what's needed, not wild assumption. How about you provide that.

So you can't/won't address the questions and simply want to move on.
What the!!!!

So as you can't provide any evidence to back up your claim, you make a thinly veiled accusation of holocaust denial at me!

Quite frankly that's a pathetic and insulting straw-man of an argument. Once again one of these has a staggering amount of evidence to support the fact that it happened (the holocaust) and the other doesn't (Jews as slaves in ancient Egypt).

Im not going to continually restate what i said. I'm an American and one of the Sports I play is American Football, which is more like Rugby. So as a man who plays and watches American Football, what we primarily do is move the ball forward, the ball does not continually move back and forth in American Football, it moves back occasionally but not that much.

So instead of dwelling on Ancient Egypt I moved the Ball forward to the time frame of World War 2.

 

[Denur]

Im not going to continually restate what i said. I'm an American and one of the Sports I play is American Football, which is more like Rugby. So as a man who plays and watches American Football, what we primarily do is move the ball forward, the ball does not continually move back and forth in American Football, it moves back occasionally but not that much.

So instead of dwelling on Ancient Egypt I moved the Ball forward to the time frame of World War 2.

I'll grant you this @dxld, being able to avoid a tackle is very important in both American Football and Rugby, and you are quite good at it in this thread. Avoiding questions and remarks in this case.

 

[Scaff]

Im not going to continually restate what i said.

And in doing so leave a good number of questions unanswered.

I'm an American and one of the Sports I play is American Football, which is more like Rugby. So as a man who plays and watches American Football, what we primarily do is move the ball forward, the ball does not continually move back and forth in American Football, it moves back occasionally but not that much.

Utterly irrelevant nonsense. You can't or won't answer the questions, insult me and then expect people to simply change the discussion because you demand it.

So instead of dwelling on Ancient Egypt I moved the Ball forward to the time frame of World War 2.

Do you therefore acknowledge that no evidence of Jewish Slavery in ancient Egypt exists?

In regard to WW2, yes the holocaust did happen (just to shut the door on your nonsense straw-man), the reason once again was religion. The justification coming from the same texts that you have described as a ideal set of rules and guide for modern life.

 

[dxld]

And in doing so leave a good number of questions unanswered.



Utterly irrelevant nonsense. You can't or won't answer the questions, insult me and then expect people to simply change the discussion because you demand it.

Do you therefore acknowledge that no evidence of Jewish Slavery in ancient Egypt exists?

In regard to WW2, yes the holocaust did happen (just to shut the door on your nonsense straw-man), the reason once again was religion. The justification coming from the same texts that you have described as a ideal set of rules and guide for modern life.

I'm a Christian so I have to believe there was Slavery in Egypt... Plus I just read on another site that Chariot Wheels were found in the Red Sea. They are Puzzle Pieces where I see the connections and that you do not, and I can't change the way how you view a puzzle only present the pieces I have found and show them to you.

The Slavery You see as completely Evil, I see as a severely flawed and antiquated form of employment. The rules you see as strict rules that must be followed to the letter, I see them as rules set for the lawless and sinful, they do not apply to the righteous. The Contradiction you see between Judaism and Christianity, I see as opposite sides of the same coin.

I hear Adam Sandlers 3 Hannukah Songs, and I now see and hear there are so Many Jews Blessed by God to be in the Show Business. you probably see an Annoying a comedian who makes stupid movies.

 

[Famine]

I'm a Christian so I have to believe there was Slavery in Egypt...

"Have to"? Regardless of any evidence or information?

How positively barbaric.

I hear Adam Sandlers 3 Hannukah Songs, and I now see and hear there are so Many Jews Blessed by God to be in the Show Business. you probably see an Annoying a comedian who makes stupid movies.

You know when I said "Now enough on the gurning gimp of lowbrow "comedy" movies - it's one of the most ridiculous off-topic jaunts I've ever seen."?

Yeah, that wasn't a request or suggestion.

There is absolutely no misrepresentation in those statements.

They are pure "facts of reality".
If you don't beleive so, then get out a coin and start tossing it.

The more tosses you make, yes the more the odds increase you will get a tails.

Bwahahahaha!

If any more evidence were needed that you either don't understand probability or are deliberately misrepresenting it, that was it right there

I don't know a nicer way to put this, other than, only a fool would get on it, if they did not believe it was sound.

Only because everyone in your head is guided by belief in every action - despite all the evidence that they aren't presented to you in this thread.

Most people wouldn't even give a thought to whether it's safe or not, let alone develop a belief around it. Incidentally, it was the ceiling that collapsed, onto the balcony.

Whoa here.
As usual, you are skipping the relevant and pertinent point.

The objective evidence was repeatedly and observationally sound prior to the incident.

Factually established repeatedly, by objective evidence.

However, it proved completely untrustworthy, at this incidental point in time.

Objective evidence can neither be trustworthy nor untrustworthy. It's just evidence. The fact the ceiling collapsed doesn't invalidate the evidence - it's merely new evidence.

You know, I'm beginning to wonder if some of you have ever heard the term "contingency" before.

I have indeed.

I suspect you define it differently from everyone else and will use a dictionary quote you won't even read to support your own definition. It probably means "sparrow" to you.

 

[Touring Mars]

@SuperCobraJet

Once again, your comments regarding probability are profoundly wrong.

Contrary to what you are saying, the likelihood of a coin landing on tails does not increase because you threw a series of heads beforehand!! The odds of a coin landing on heads or tails is always 50/50, no matter what has come before. That is obvious.

Similarly, the odds of correctly guessing the outcome of a predefined number of coin tosses is fixed - but your chances of being correct varies depending on how the coin tosses go. I think this is maybe where your confusion is coming from - you seem to be equating these two things.

Let's say we have 10 coin tosses.

The chances of getting 10 Heads and 0 Tails is 1 in 1024 - only one possible combination of throws will produce the desired outcome - let's call this outcome 10H0T.

The chances of getting 9 Heads and 1 Tails is 10 in 1024 - there are 10 different ways that we could throw 9 Heads and 1 Tails - let's call this outcome 9H1T. (Lucky we didn't choose 6 coin tosses!).

9H1T is 10 times more likely an outcome than 10H0T (1% compared to 0.1%)

But now let's assume we've thrown 9 coin tosses already, and we've got 9 Heads in a row (which itself has a likelihood of just 1 chance in 512 of happening).

Both outcomes - 9H1T and 10H0T - are clearly still possible... so which is more likely to happen now?

The final throw has a 50/50 likelihood like all others, so it is tempting to say that both outcomes are now as likely as each other, although that would be a bit misleading. To be completely accurate, one can only say that "The outcomes 10H0T and 9H1T are equally likely only in the event that the coin lands on heads 9 times in a row in a predefined set of 10 throws". Clearly, the two outcomes are not equally likely at the start - but, if you throw nine heads in a row, they become equally likely.

But what you appear to be saying is that they are not equally likely on Throw 10, but 9H1T is more likely to result because it was more probable at the start?

Sorry, but that's just completely wrong.

 

[Imari]

The rules you see as strict rules that must be followed to the letter, I see them as rules set for the lawless and sinful, they do not apply to the righteous.

Wow.

Those rules only apply to Christians, no atheist or follower of another religion is ever going to pay any significant attention to obeying them. So you're saying that within the group of Christians, there are the "lawless and sinful" and the righteous.

How do you perceive each of these groups? Which group do you fit yourself into?

I would have thought that lawless and sinful Christians would have been those that do not follow the rules of the Christian religion, but you seem to be implying that actually the righteous are not required to follow the rules. Does that mean that the lawless and sinful are the ones following the rules? That would be amusing.

 

[DK]

The rules you see as strict rules that must be followed to the letter, I see them as rules set for the lawless and sinful, they do not apply to the righteous.

This is like...recursive up-your-own-arseness, if that's even a term.

 

[Scaff]

I'm a Christian so I have to believe there was Slavery in Egypt... Plus I just read on another site that Chariot Wheels were found in the Red Sea. They are Puzzle Pieces where I see the connections and that you do not, and I can't change the way how you view a puzzle only present the pieces I have found and show them to you.

Why do you have to believe it?

In regard to chariot wheels in the Red sea. Well that must be biblical proof then, couldn't possibly be that they had boats, which they put chariots on, and one maybe sank. Nope that would be much too far fetched, had to be god parting the sea, far more likely.

The issue here is not how I view the 'pieces of the puzzle', its that you are ignoring so damn many of them because they don't fit your dogma, because you 'have' to believe.

The Slavery You see as completely Evil, I see as a severely flawed and antiquated form of employment. The rules you see as strict rules that must be followed to the letter, I see them as rules set for the lawless and sinful, they do not apply to the righteous. The Contradiction you see between Judaism and Christianity, I see as opposite sides of the same coin.

So now you are justifying slavery as a form of employment! Nope, employment (which most certainly did exist at the time) is a contract entered into by both parties, slavery most certainly doesn't meet that criteria. I'm beginning to wonder if a special theists dictionary exists that SCJ and yourself use; how about you just look at the evidence its self, and if your texts can't support it then entertain the idea that they might just be wrong.

 

[huskeR32]

The more tosses you make, yes the more the odds increase you will get a tails.

What outside force (relative to the coin) steps in to make those later throws more likely to come up tails? Or do you think the coin itself knows it's supposed to lean harder one way or the other?

It probably means "sparrow" to you.

 

[Ingram]

The more tosses you make, yes the more the odds increase you will get a tails.
If you don't believe it does, call a odds bet maker and give them the details of that bet and with each additional toss they will give you more odds against it being heads again.

Do you have the address of this 'odds bet maker'? I fancy a flutter all of a sudden.

You ever heard of a casino changing its odds on a roulette table because of five reds in a row? No, because each subsequent spin is a completely separate event from the one that proceeds it, which makes those prior results irrellevant to the outcome of the next. The same applies for a coin toss.

Now, maybe when this has happened to me at a roulette table I have started betting on black, but only because i normally find myself in a casino very drunk at 4am because I'm hungry and they still make sandwhiches at that time.