Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 626 30.5%
  • Maybe.

    Votes: 368 17.9%
  • No way!

    Votes: 1,059 51.6%

  • Total voters
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I don't suspect that you do live by the "ideals" set by the bible, for they are horrific.
Perhaps I should've worded it differently. I meant the morals which are present in the bible, which when I read your next point
...The constant claim by the religious to a moral high-ground has you duped into thinking that morality comes from or is dependant upon their product. This simply isn't so.
Became a moot point.
A major example of what? I don't think you've thought this through.
A major example of the ideals/morals which I try to live by. However, after reading through this link (and your previous statement)

I am beginning to question my original statement. Perhaps being brought up with a religious background has put me into that frame of mind.
 
Do you belive in GOD ? A question not about the subject , but about you .
Yes or No , you can not prove . So if your faith is weak , at least take a chance on an afterlife ,
for non-belief offers nothing .
This poll is not really about GOD , Its about whether your happy , enjoying life and want it to continue .
The same depression that causes non-belief , will also cause you to play to many video games hint hint.
GOD LOVES YOU , and so do I .
 
Tesla:

Yes, I too was born & raised (brainwashed) in a very seriously christian home for about 25 years. I know how the belief system (like any belief system) makes a great impression upon a young, forming mind. It should be no surprise that 99.999999% of the time, a person's religion is that of their parents. Funny how that works. Many are coming to think & feel that religious indoctrination of a young mind is a form of child abuse.


This is an exerpt from the book "Disbelief 101"


Ask yourself this: Why can't you raise your hand to ask a question during or after a Christian service? If you can't ask questions of a speaker, it must be because the speaker considers questions to be harmful or annoying. And if you are forced to be any place where questions are discouraged, you're likely being indoctrinated. Even in religious services, such as those that take place in many Jewish communities where questions are encouraged, there is at least one question that will probably get the questioner, especially if he/she is very young, in trouble. No, it's not “Does God exist?” The question is, “Can I go home?” (Prior to leaving the house, “Can't I just stay at home?” will do the trick too). Are children of any religious faith, before the age where they can inquire and think properly, really free to refuse to attend religious services? In the United States, the law is backward in this regard, giving no protection to a child's mind. Authority figures are not free to treat a child's body as they wish, but it is open season on the mind.

If a child's parents want to shield their child from the secular teachings of the public schools, if they want to teach their children dogma rather than science, then that is considered the business of the parent. The law puts nonsensical belief above the welfare of the child. The child has no say in it. How is this fair? To take advantage of the trusting nature of a child for the purpose of indoctrination is abuse. (Thanks to Richard Dawkins again for having the courage to point this out).

You might think it's crazy to consider Sunday school to be abusive, but it is. In Sunday school, a nonsensical version of the universe is hammered into your brain before you are old enough to intellectually defend your self. This will haunt you for your whole life if you don't see through the nonsense. The people who are indoctrinating you are taking away your right to think critically. There is no greater theft.

What if I took the child and told her, every night and in every possible way, that if she ever jumped rope, invisible goblins in the sky would snatch her up and eat her flesh over and over and over again? Forever. If that child grew up believing this, living in fear of invisible goblins, and thinking that all of her rope jumping friends were destined for a terrible fate wouldn't you consider my actions to be horrible? Wouldn't it be abusive to take vantage of a child's trusting nature in such a way? This is exactly what religions do, threatening children with eternal torture for actions that harm no one.

So why do religions use such abusive indoctrination techniques? Religions are just like other businesses. The churches are selling something. Their product is universal: it is faith, and it costs next to nothing to produce, but it sells like hot cakes. Religions survive, because, like other businesses, they strive to form what corporations call “brand loyalty” in their customers. And churches, like businesses, try to hook their customers as young as possible.

All of the well-known fast food establishments cater to children. They sell their garbage in a number of ways. The idea is to get a child to think of the fast food as being fun, and to tie the food to a happy emotion. Kids get toys when they eat hamburgers that come in brightly colored boxes. If they eat in the restaurant portion of a fast food joint, there are places to play. The idea is to get them thinking about the food emotionally rather than logically. Emotions stay with you much longer than logical thoughts - especially when you're a kid. The fast food companies want kids to ignore the fact that they are eating junk, and instead focus on how happy they feel while doing it.

Places of worship do the same thing. Many churches use a double pronged approach. They bring children in and try to make them feel good about going to church. Children are given comfort in the idea that they are loved by Jesus or Allah, that they are part of a select group (even if it's not stated outright, that they are better than everyone else), and that they will one day see dead loved-ones again.

As a child gets older and is hooked, the Church clamps down. The child is taught to be ashamed of his or her body, that sexual thoughts are sinful, and that there is a place of torment awaiting those who don't obey the churches restrictive sexual rules. So fear and self-loathing are added to the love, hope, and hubris mix.

Recently, many churches have resorted to flashier sales techniques utilizing Christian rock music and teen-oriented services. Legions of trendily dressed youth pastors with soul patches and earrings have descended upon teens, trying to assure them that Christ is cool. The purpose of all this is not just to snare you, but to snare your children some day, and then your grandchildren.

Understand this: If religions don't indoctrinate children, they will cease to exist. They can only survive by using childhood indoctrination techniques. They bank on the fact that it's difficult to break free of indoctrinated ideas that were ingrained at an early age, especially for those who have been discouraged from thinking critically.

So what can you do? If you live in a religious household where saying you're an atheist will get you into serious trouble, then simply keep your nonbelief to yourself until you are old enough to do what you want. I am not advocating that you openly rebel against your parents or others in charge of you. They very likely love you and may be, on the whole, very good parents or very good authority figures. What I am telling you is that you and only you have the right to your own mind. It is illegal in this country to abuse the body of a child, but it's not illegal to abuse a child's mind. So you have to look out for yourself. No one else owns your mind, only you.

Above all, realize that your mind, like your body, is your own. You don't have to let other people flood your mind with religious garbage. Religion relies and thrives on your fear.
 
Do you belive in GOD ? A question not about the subject , but about you .
Yes or No , you can not prove . So if your faith is weak , at least take a chance on an afterlife ,
for non-belief offers nothing .
This poll is not really about GOD , Its about whether your happy , enjoying life and want it to continue .
The same depression that causes non-belief , will also cause you to play to many video games hint hint.
GOD LOVES YOU , and so do I .
What if there's a god that rewards rational thought instead of blind faith?
 
Yes or No, you can not prove.

It isn't about "proving" (although the burden of proof is on the person making a claim, such as the existance of invisible deities), and the person rejecting said claim does not have to "prove" that the vacuous claim is false if no evidence is provided. Note your reaction when I say "Prove that unicorns don't exist". (Hint: You can't).

However, we can look at the evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion about whether god(s) exist. You may find this book helpful:

"God - The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger.




So if your faith is weak, at least take a chance on an afterlife,
for non-belief offers nothing.

Arggg. The tired old "Pascal's Wager" routine. Please, do me a favour and Google "Pascal's Wager Debunked". I haven't the energy to go down that road again.
 
No, I do not believe in 'God'. And I have 3 reasons for this: 1. We are supposed to act like 'God'. So lets all flood the world and put just a select few in a boat with animals. 2. Those who believe in 'God' are supposed to be saved from evil. Ask the 6 million who died in the holocaust about that. 3. Science. Science is proven. Religous 'theories', if you can even call them that, are ludicrous and often absurd. This is why I don't believe in 'God' and am proud to be Atheist.
 
What if there's a god that rewards rational thought instead of blind faith?

This.

I've also raised this point before:

I don't think I want to believe in a God who is more likely to let into heaven those who've repeatedly "sinned" but believe in God and partake in confession, than those who don't believe in God but have led far less sinful lives and always been an amazing person to everyone around them.

It's like giving high marks for effort rather than high marks for achievement.
 
They get round that one by saying that not believing is the biggest sin of all.
 
They get round that one by saying that not believing is the biggest sin of all.

I believe in life after love, does that count?

Anyways... If there was a god that was willing to give us free will, why would he punish us for using it by chosing to not believe in him?

Ah, I'd better not get into that. There are so many things I question about religion that I wouldn't even know where to being...
 
3. Science. Science is proven.

Not in the slightest. Science does not prove anything at all. It is only a perception of what we currently believe to be true.

Religous 'theories', if you can even call them that, are ludicrous and often absurd. This is why I don't believe in 'God' and am proud to be Atheist.

I didn't know religion had any "theories". They do have beliefs if that's what you mean. However, this got me thinking. Is atheism a religion in itself? It "believes" there is no God or Gods. It "believes" there is no real reason why we're here. It also "believes" that we all have the same fate in the end (Which is nothing, rather than heaven or hell).
 
However, this got me thinking. Is atheism a religion in itself? It "believes" there is no God or Gods. It "believes" there is no real reason why we're here. It also "believes" that we all have the same fate in the end (Which is nothing, rather than heaven or hell).

Uh, no. It isn't. "Religion" stems from the latin word "religio", which translates to "reverence". If there is nothing to revere, how could it be a religion, then? It goes against the very meaning of the word.

Yeah, I memorised that response by heart by now, because it's a question that's basicallly raised by every second religious person I got into that kind of debate with :dopey:
 
They get round that one by saying that not believing is the biggest sin of all.

I say again then, God is a cop-out. He's happy for you to rape and murder as long as you confess and repent and devote your subsequent life to improving yourself, but lead a good life from the get-go and you're still going to the sin bin if you've had the initiative to lead a life without religion.
 
Uh, no. It isn't. "Religion" stems from the latin word "religio", which translates to "reverence". If there is nothing to revere, how could it be a religion, then? It goes against the very meaning of the word.

I understand it does not describe the act of being everything opposed to religion, but, in a sense, it is nearly the same exact thing.
 
I understand it does not describe the act of being everything opposed to religion, but, in a sense, it is nearly the same exact thing.

The exact same thing in what regard? The rejection of a believe isn't the same as believing in the first place. It depends on why you reject that belief in the first place. Most atheists will probably do so because the assumption that there is soem sort of deity just goes against their logic.

As far as I am concerned, atheism is no believe, it's just the consequence of a logical, rational train of thought. Just like any other 'scientific' thesis.
 
The answer is simple;would be logic to exist just for for limited period of time?,in that case shouldnt be the same, havent existed at all.
Why wouldn't it be logical? Really, is that your logic or your fear of not existing after you've passed away that's making you say that?

Also, why would it be the same as not exisiting in the first place? You have a whole lifetime to leave something behind (an offspring, for example), so there's clearly a difference in whether you've existed before or not.
 
Am not afraid of death,only of god.
It sure is the law of life and god to reproduce,but for what pourpose?,to keep mankin on earth?.
The earth wont last forever you know,it may be still hundreths or thousands of years for its end,and then boom,all gone.
Its all am gonna say,god bless you and have a good day.
 
Am not afraid of death,only of god.
I didn't mean being afraid of death, but of death being The End. Not existing anymore, not living on after dieing. Completely ceasing to exist.

From my past experiences with religious people, this kind of 'fear' always stood out to me as one of the primary reason as to why they were so willing to embrace their religion and hold onto it.

It sure is the law of life and god to reproduce,but for what pourpose?,to keep mankin on earth?.
The earth wont last forever you know,it may be still hundreths or thousands of years for its end,and then boom,all gone.

Exactly, all gone. Everything ends one day. What makes us the exception?

Its all am gonna say,god bless you and have a good day.
A good day to you, too :)
 
.....However, this got me thinking.

No, it didn't. It got you rehashing the same old lame assertions that have been demolished a million times already. It is apparent that you have not been involved in discussing these things much.

Believing is easier than thinking. Hence, so many more believers than thinkers. (Bruce Calvert)


A great many people think they are thinking, when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. (William James)





Is atheism a religion in itself?

Oy.

Religion; def: A set of beliefs revolving around a god or gods, involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Atheism; def: Not holding the belief that god or gods exist.

Please, explain how non god belief is the same as god belief.




It "believes" there is no God or Gods.

Epic fail. A belief is a positive move. It is saying: "I believe that so & so is true". Not accepting a baseless assertion from another human being is NOT A BELIEF.

When someone tells you something, and you don't believe it, is your rejection of their assertion now your "belief"? Of course not. It's like if I asked you: "Do you collect stamps?" and you say: "No." ....and I say: "Oh, so not collecting stamps is a hobby of yours then!"

Does that help you understand?




It "believes" there is no real reason why we're here.

Wrong again. First of all, there is no "it". You are making the error that many make thinking that atheism is an organized set of........anything, when it is not. It's not really an "ism" at all. It is nothing more than not having beliefs in deities. That's it. Period! Beyond that, any two atheists might have nothing else in common.

But, to your comment, I would guess that most atheists who see humanity's place in the cosmos in a much more humble, naturalistic light (rather than the egocentric idea that we are the apple in a god's eye) do indeed think that there is no "real reason" why we're here. Why does there have to be? The fact is, we are a part of the animal kingdom and have evolved right along with it. Life truly is amazing, but a purely naturalistic outlook appears to make the most sense and is supported by all of the evidence. The universe doesn't owe you meaning.

We are here because one odd group of fishes had a peculiar fin anatomy that could transform into legs for terrestrial creatures; because the earth never froze entirely during an ice age; because a small and tenuous species, arising in Africa a quarter of a million years ago, has managed, so far, to survive by hook and by crook. We may yearn for a 'higher' answer, but none exists. (Stephen Jay Gould)

The mind gives meaning to anything but the meaning it gives is meaningless. (J. Krishnamurti)





It also "believes" that we all have the same fate in the end (Which is nothing, rather than heaven or hell).

No. There is nothing more to atheism than not holding god-belief. One could be an atheist and believe in an afterlife, or believe in a whole host of other things. Just not gods. Once you fully understand that, you will hopefully cease these erroneous assertions which border on adhominem.

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Religion; def: A set of beliefs revolving around a god or gods, involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Atheism; def: Not holding the belief that god or gods exist.

Please, explain how non god belief is the same as god belief.

I understand it does not describe the act of being everything opposed to religion, but, in a sense, it is nearly the same exact thing.

Epic fail. A belief is a positive move. It is saying: "I believe that so & so is true". Not accepting a baseless assertion from another human being is NOT A BELIEF.

Ah, I would replace "belief" with asserts, or understands then. If that works

Does that help you understand?

Yes

Wrong again. First of all, there is no "it". You are making the error that many make thinking that atheism is an organized set of........anything, when it is not. It is nothing more than not having beliefs in deities. That's it.

So would you not say a religious person is the exact opposite of one who follows that^

But, to your comment, I would guess that most atheists who see humanity's place in the cosmos in a much more humble, naturalistic light (rather than the egocentric idea that we are the apple in a god's eye) do indeed think that there is no "real reason" why we're here. Why does there have to be?

I did not say there was any reason for us to be here, but anyone who follows a religion generally does believe there is a real reason. Once again, quite the opposite.


No. There is nothing more to atheism than not holding god-belief. One could be an atheist and believe in an afterlife, or believe in a whole host of other things. Just not gods. Once you fully understand that, you will hopefully cease these erroneous assertions which border on adhominem.

Really? I can't think of any atheist who believes in the afterlife as the whole idea of an afterlife was cooked up by religion in the first place. But I'll accept that nonetheless.
 
I don't believe in a deity, but don't discard the possibility of an afterlife. What does that make me?
 
I don't believe in a deity, but don't discard the possibility of an afterlife. What does that make me?

The getting into the agnostic school of thought although it could be considered weak athiesim, And honestly I think keeping an open mind on the afterlife is a pretty good stance on the subject, since there is almost no way to prove or disprove what happens when we die.
 
If we accept the fact that we are a part of the various carbon-based life forms that have evolved in the tree of life over the last 3.5 billion years here on earth, what good reason does one have to entertain, yet alone believe that our consciousness somehow survives death?

Which is more likely: that the universe was designed just for us, or that we think the universe was designed just for us? Clearly, the fact of death is intolerable to us, and I suggest that our brains have developed to a stage where the thought of ceasing to exist sets it into a sort-of panic mode; a panic mode driven by the evolutionary beneficial fear of death. This fear of death and the wish to survive it, I suggest, is the birth place of most, if not all of our supernatural/religious ideas, wants and desires.

Unfortunately, while such beliefs of surviving death can cause us to feel comfort, there's no evidence to hold such beliefs, and as W.K. Clifford said: "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence."
 
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^ You do have a point there. There are moments when I worry about what happens after death.

There was a sexual assault case here in Ireland which came to trial a year or two ago. After the trial was finished, you know what happened? A group of people from the defendant's home town came to offer some sort of moral support...for him. And guess who went to shake his hand? The local priest.

I am NOT shocked whenever it is announced that another bishop has hidden paedophile priests from justice. Quite frankly, the actions of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church just disgust me. I don't think they have any right to condemn whatever goes on between consenting adults when they don't condemn whatever goes on between a priest and an unconsenting child. A few days ago I read about a Dutch bishop who defends the Dutch equivalent of NAMBLA. It did not shock me one bit.
 
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