Do you believe in God?

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Do you believe in god?

  • Of course, without him nothing would exist!

    Votes: 626 30.5%

  • Maybe.

    Votes: 368 17.9%

  • No way!

    Votes: 1,059 51.6%
  • Total voters
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Tic Tach
And the wheels on the bus go round & round......
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The reason why I posted that passage was because it explains what my belief of God is. If you read the first few sections, it explains many things that people have asked previous in this thread.
If you think the whole Christianity thing is nothing but false hope then I feel really saddened, but that's that. I don't want to, like Famine said, force my beliefs down peoples throats.
That post was what I should have said in my very first contribution to this thread, instead of these snapshots that I have randomly been placing around everywhere. This is what I believe in. I'm sorry if you don't want to read it, but I'm sure some people will. :)
 
You might want to throw a source on that TankAss95, since I'm assuming you didn't write it.
 
I didn't have to read very much to pick up issues already covered in this thread.

TankAss95
Take the existence of the universe. To call it the result of an ‘accident’ raises many questions — and answers none. The same is true of the ‘Big Bang’ theory. Where, for instance, did the raw materials come from? Not even a ‘big bang’ can make something out of nothing! The evolutionary idea is widespread but just as weak; how can ‘nothing’ evolve into ‘something’, let alone earth’s amazingly complex life forms?

All other theories are equally fragile. The only satisfactory explanation is this: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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Like that. They already said God can't be proven, so the God theory is actually the most fragile of all.

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Where, for instance, did God come from?... how can nothing*; evolve [or create itself] into something
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*evolution does not claim this at all by the way
 
Exorcet
I didn't have to read very much to pick up issues already covered in this thread.

Like that. They already said God can't be proven, so the God theory is actually the most fragile of all.

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*evolution does not claim this at all by the way
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God's proof of existence is in the world we live in today. The universe as far as I know needs some sort of order or motivation to exist. Scientists are yet to explain why the universe continues to bother to exist.
 
TankAss95
Scientists are yet to explain why the universe continues to bother to exist.
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What does that have to do with God?

It's not like science is out there trying to compete with religion. Scientists didn't say "there is no God, we'll show you!". There are things they don't know yet, that can't be denied. But that does not legitimate making up answers.

The universe as far as I know needs some sort of order or motivation to exist
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Order probably (though that doesn't imply God). Why would the universe need motivation?

Oh and for clarity's sake, I'm using universe to mean our universe, not all existence.
 
TankAss95
The reason why I posted that passage was because it explains what my belief of God is. If you read the first few sections, it explains many things that people have asked previous in this thread.
If you think the whole Christianity thing is nothing but false hope then I feel really saddened, but that's that. I don't want to, like Famine said, force my beliefs down peoples throats.
That post was what I should have said in my very first contribution to this thread, instead of these snapshots that I have randomly been placing around everywhere. This is what I believe in. I'm sorry if you don't want to read it, but I'm sure some people will. :)
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You cant just quote things if you want people to take you seriously. First, explain what you believe in. Then people will tell you why this is wrong. This is usually when you start quoting. Try reading what people are saying, think about them and then give an honest answer from your own mind.

TankAss95
God's proof of existence is in the world we live in today. The universe as far as I know needs some sort of order or motivation to exist. Scientists are yet to explain why the universe continues to bother to exist.
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What do you mean by "scientists". We are all scientists, in away. We move forward togheter as a race. Some people contribute more then others. Some slow us down...
 
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TankAss95
Scientists are yet to explain why the universe continues to bother to exist.
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You make it sound like the universe is in some great struggle to exist, rather than just rolling along thanks to natural physical processes. It continues to exist because there's enough energy present to enable its existence.

And it's already been mentioned, but you can't use "scientists are yet to explain" as a disparaging comment about science. Science is yet to explain many things, but that doesn't make the future discoveries unimportant until they're discovered.

This has also been said before, but: where you get to a gap in science, you appear to just give up and turn to God. Where I - and several others here, I suspect - see a gap in science, we see it as exciting because it's something we're yet to learn, something humankind will strive towards until they know the answer. It's the excitement of discovery and it's why we have the knowledge as a species that we do today.

TankAss95
But the greatest, the ultimate questions, are about God and your relationship to him. Nothing in life is more important than this. Good health, financial stability, secure employment, a contented family and a hopeful future are all things that people want. Yet even these are temporary and eventually pointless unless you have a living relationship with God, one that is clear and certain — and will last for ever.
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Count me out of that, thanks.

Since I don't believe in God I have no relationship to him, and that being the case I'd rather enjoy the life I have than slavishly follow a set of rules set out by a mystical being.
 
homeforsummer
you make it sound like the universe is in some great struggle to exist, rather than just rolling along thanks to natural physical processes. It continues to exist because there's enough energy present to enable its existence.

And it's already been mentioned, but you can't use "scientists are yet to explain" as a disparaging comment about science. Science is yet to explain many things, but that doesn't make the future discoveries unimportant until they're discovered.

This has also been said before, but: Where you get to a gap in science, you appear to just give up and turn to god. Where i - and several others here, i suspect - see a gap in science, we see it as exciting because it's something we're yet to learn, something humankind will strive towards until they know the answer. It's the excitement of discovery and it's why we have the knowledge as a species that we do today.

Count me out of that, thanks.

Since i don't believe in god i have no relationship to him, and that being the case i'd rather enjoy the life i have than slavishly follow a set of rules set out by a mystical being.
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^thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisss^
 
I've always considered myself athiest (even when going to church) but I'm ready to believe Senna was the second coming.

I love his driving but never got his "visualisation of god" talk while driving but it makes so much sense if you consider his death was so influencial in motorsport safety and saving so many lives.
 
Bobalob
I've always considered myself athiest (even when going to church) but I'm ready to believe Senna was the second coming.

I love his driving but never got his "visualisation of god" talk while driving but it makes so much sense if you consider his death was so influencial in motorsport safety and saving so many lives.
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Yeah but there have been many talented people who have changed many things. Take Martin Luther King for example. Although I don't live in the US, I do know that he changed everyone who lived there's lives. This does not mean that he was God though. Inspired by Gods teachings would maybe be more suitable.
 
I don't really get why everyone chooses to think that the second coming of Jesus will be what we know Jesus to look like. How do we know that Jesus couldn't be Ghandi, or Martin Luther King Jr., or someone else who inspired so many people. Is it because they believed in different religions? Or is it just because you don't believe Jesus can be any other race besides white, and he must look like he did back in his time?

And on the evolution/creation thing, if God was the creator of everything, what created him? Did he just come from nothing, because that's all you guys have against us evolutionists, how was energy there if there was nothing. Here's how I perceive it to be:

First came energy, which caused the Big Bang. The Big Bang caused all this sort of energy to form together, and create elements, which created the stars and planets. When the stars started to Supernova, they created compounds, which launched to different planets through space. This caused different substances to form, which then evolved over time to create the life forms we see today. This is how I take it.
 
Here's a thought:

I have been jokingly told many times that when my hair is down I look like heyzeus so what if I walked into a church and proclaimed myself the second coming?

Now I wouldn't do that but, hypothetically, if I did the odds are the congregation would be horrified and wouldn't believe me... at which point I say "my children, ye must have faith as I am He".

Based on the principals of faith would they not be obliged to believe me? If they did not then how on earth would they know the "real" Jesus?

Just throwing it out there, I am not mocking here; it is a serious question.
 
You have to do something to make it believable. Like there's guys who are saints because they help out others and themselves last to make sure everyone else is doing good etc. So to claim you are Jesus would have to do a loooooot of good stuff. Plus a couple tricks like walking on water and stuff wouldn't hurt either.
 
shmogt
You have to do something to make it believable. Like there's guys who are saints because they help out others and themselves last to make sure everyone else is doing good etc. So to claim you are Jesus would have to do a loooooot of good stuff. Plus a couple tricks like walking on water and stuff wouldn't hurt either.
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But as there is no actual proof of God it should only take me saying "have faith for I am The Living Christ" to do it. Devil dodgers claim faith is the reason for their continued belief in the face of zero evidence (of God) so they should have faith when confronted with the son of god surely?
 
driftking18594
When they tell the wannabe Jesus to walk on water.
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And he sayeth "dare you question your lord?!"

Remember dude that Christians tell everyone that He must never be questioned and blindly followed with faith... so there'll be no questioning :)
 
Heathenpride
And he sayeth "dare you question your lord?!"

Remember dude that Christians tell everyone that He must never be questioned and blindly followed with faith... so there'll be no questioning :)
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Then you would start a cult.

The Bible speaks about false prophets and that you must obey no other God but the true God (the trinity).
You'd probably end up getting followers I'm guessing but you would be no different to others who have done so in the past.
 
Ooh, differentiate between a cult and a religion.

I'm also liking the motivation of the universe, does it also refuse to wake up before 11am and goes to Art College?
 
Heathenpride
Remember dude that Christians tell everyone that He must never be questioned and blindly followed with faith... so there'll be no questioning.
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Yes, quite a convenient yet impoverished trick isn't it?


Where it is a duty to worship the sun, it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine the laws of heat. (John Morley)
 
TankAss95
You can mock the idea that the universe needs motivation or order to exist all you want, but many people think that.
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Why should the universe need "motivation" any more than anything else? What is it about the different behaviours of particles that you need to imbue with some kind of divine consciousness to justify the way they act?
 
MatskiMonk
Since looking into quantum physics a little, I now believe everything exists.
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Could you explain in more detail, please? I don't quite understand what you are saying.
 

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