Do you smoke?

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Do you smoke?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 17.7%
  • No

    Votes: 121 82.3%

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But there's also a difference between a jerk smoker, who'll just blow smoke in your face and not give a rat's ass about it; and then there's the decent smoker, who leaves, or just moves out of the way when he/she lights up and makes sure you're not down wind so the smoke won't fall on you.

Both of them smoke, both of them are "slowly killing themselves", yet one isn't a jerk about it, and kind of defeats the claim that "I shouldn't die because you want to".

Make no mistake, smoking feels good. Once you get over the dizziness, acrid taste and gagging smoke; once you dominate that and get used to the smoke rolling down your throat, the feeling of relative highness of the nicotine entering your brain, and the well-being of blowing out the smoke, it feels very good.

However, none of those good feelings together hold up against what cigarettes do to your body. That's why I quit. Do I still miss it? Not as much as before. The first two years were pretty damn hard, to be honest; but you get over it.
 
DWA
I bet your wallet thanks you too. :p

I used to live in Venezuela at the time. There's two things cheap there: gasoline (less than 2 cents (US) per gallon; and cigarettes, at about 60 cents (US) per pack.
 
Oh... hell in Spain isn't not having smoking there like Germany closing down the ring? :lol: At least that would make sense why it's so cheap.

Either way here I bet people's wallets would thank their owners if they stopped. If not I see it as just another sign of how addicted they are... I mean I'd hate to think what it all added up to especially if you're a chain smoker. :dopey: :scared:
 
Cigarettes are pretty expensive in Spain, and Europe in general, though. In Holland they go up to about 5€ per pack!
 
Me
I used to live in Venezuela at the time. There's two things cheap there

Cigarettes are cheap in Venezuela

Me
Cigarettes are pretty expensive in Spain, and Europe in general,

Cigarettes are expensive in Spain.

Venezuela is in South America.

Spain is not

;)
 
I don't think some people realize how whiny they come off as. Here's a simple thought; ask the smoker to move else where in a polite manner, or even put it out. I have no problem what so ever in taking my stinky ass outside if someone says "Hey, I'm sorry to be a bother but smoking really bothers me and I have a hard time being comfortable around it". Besides, I only smoke outside and away from any children or crowded places. If someone has a problem, I would expect them to say something; and I would expect a fellow smoker to have some sort of respect for the general public. It's not that we don't realize we're rude, it's that we don't feel we are because no one ever says anything about it.

QFT.

If anyone at a restaurant asks me nicely to please go outside I have no problem doing so. A little manners gets people a long way.
 
I always wait for till I'm done, then while others are finishing dessert or paying, I'll go out for a quick smoke while I wait. Also, when I'm at other peoples houses who don't smoke and have kids, I usually go sit out front and have a quick smoke there.

On the other hand though, if I'm in my girlfriends car or at home (we both smoke) and someone is with us who doesn't, I always roll down the window or just go into the other room, I WON'T butt out or step outside as its my house and if I have non smokers won the battle at the bars, they sure as hell aren't going to win the battle in my own vehicle or house. Sorry, my car/house, my rules. If you don't like it, go outside.

Not to be rude to them, but this fascism has to end somewhere.

@OpheliaMontague - You should go to a methadone clinic and tell them to "just stop". Since they weren't born with a heroin/crack addiction, they should be able to just drop the needle/pipe and walk away, right? Now times their addiction by 10 and thats how hard it is to quit for a smoker. Do you know how it would be for a crack/smack addiction to quit if it was legal to do, as long as you were outside in public, and it could be bought at almost every corner. Yeah, for some people, thats smoking. Think about it, and hopefully you atleast rethink your comment as not everyone can just turn off an addiction like flipping a switch.
 
I always wait for till I'm done, then while others are finishing dessert or paying, I'll go out for a quick smoke while I wait. Also, when I'm at other peoples houses who don't smoke and have kids, I usually go sit out front and have a quick smoke there.

On the other hand though, if I'm in my girlfriends car or at home (we both smoke) and someone is with us who doesn't, I always roll down the window or just go into the other room, I WON'T butt out or step outside as its my house and if I have non smokers won the battle at the bars, they sure as hell aren't going to win the battle in my own vehicle or house. Sorry, my car/house, my rules. If you don't like it, go outside.

Not to be rude to them, but this fascism has to end somewhere.

@OpheliaMontague - You should go to a methadone clinic and tell them to "just stop". Since they weren't born with a heroin/crack addiction, they should be able to just drop the needle/pipe and walk away, right? Now times their addiction by 10 and thats how hard it is to quit for a smoker. Do you know how it would be for a crack/smack addiction to quit if it was legal to do, as long as you were outside in public, and it could be bought at almost every corner. Yeah, for some people, thats smoking. Think about it, and hopefully you atleast rethink your comment as not everyone can just turn off an addiction like flipping a switch.

Very good post, +rep. I won't smoke around those who don't unless I'm already in a really smoky place to begin with (billiards hall, bowling alley, etc.). I don't smoke in my house or car either. My mum has asked me not to smoke in the house and I respect her, and I don't like my car smelling like stale smoke so I never do it in the car.
 
So now its whiny to not like cigarettes? I think its common courtesy for someone to not smoke in front of a non-smoker.

Yes it would be courteous not to light up in front of a non smoker, but not all smokers do that. Many will go stand out of the way or in a designated smoking area and smoke there. Often, they are approached by non-smokers, not the other way around.

Don't pollute my air with disgusting smells! .

/pedant ON
It's not *your* air. It doesn't belong to anyone. It's just there. But yes, walking up to you and filling the air around you with smelly gases or smoke is definitely impolite.
/pedant OFF

I know people claim they go and have a smoke to calm down, but its probably the time out you give yourself to actually go and have the smoke which calms you down, rather than the cigarette itself.

I think that the effects of smoking, which include a calming function and increased alertness along with a raised heartrate, are pretty much proven. I think.... Anyway, many people who smoke tried one once or twice, and liked the effects it had, or the taste, or whatever, so they carried on. They smoke because they like the effects. They don't invent the effects as an excuse to smoke.

Points on the more general topic:
Smokers who start in this day and age are stupid? Only if their goal is a long healthy life, and even then, smoking wouldn't be their most dangerous adversary. Hell, last time I saw, it wasn't even guaranteed to shorten your life. It just increased risk.

If your goal instead is to enjoy your life, get the most experience out of it, and enjoy all the pleasures available to you, and you find smoking to be particularly pleasurable (believe it or not, some people do), then NOT smoking would be stupid.

In short, I tend to think that the general smoking taboo is driven more by people who can't stand the smell than by the actual and undeniable general health risks. If it really was such a major threat to society as a whole as it tends to be made out, it would be banned outright. The government would still get their tobacco taxes from those companies who love reminding you how bad it is for you and how hard it is to quit just before they sell you a month's worth of nicotine patches or nicotine gum with the disclaimer "requires willpower" on the side. In fact, if smoking was banned outright these devices would probably lead to apparently healthier ways to get a regular nicotine fix, and replace cigarettes rather than just attempt to wean people off them. Until one day a scientist somewhere points out that the glue holding the patch to your arm causes skin cancer.

There's also a popular argument, which I have seen in action in this thread, that smokers must consider the effect that their untimely death may have on those who love them, be more considerate, and give up smoking. Dunno about the rest of you, but if my partner smoked, whether they started before or after we met, and I convinced them to stop by pointing out that I didn't want them to die too soon and wanted all the time with them I could get, well, as romantic as that is, in that argument, I'm being the selfish one, not my partner, because I'm looking after my own interests and not hers. If she wants to smoke, she can. It's her body, not mine.

To the person who was considering starting... it's not banned yet. If you want to do it, do it. You're probably going to anyway. Just be warned that it's not a good move health wise, it's expensive, it can be addictive (I had little trouble stopping so I guess not everyone gets addicted), it might make your lungs feel smaller, once you smoke regularly it will never again taste or feel as good as the first ones, your clothes will stink, you'll burn a hole in your best tie, your mouth will taste terrible in the morning, you'll probably cough a lot, and may start coughing up blood. You'll develop "habit" smoke breaks which can be distracting, food won't taste as good, you might get grumpy in aeroplanes. Sooner or later you might start smoking while driving, and driving a car isn't half as much fun if you're nursing a cigarette. Also, you're almost guaranteed to drop a lit one in your crotch sooner or later, and probably at 70mph. That's exciting, but not fun. On the plus side, smokers have had a perfect excuse to take extra work breaks ever since they got kicked out of their offices by non smokers. Nothing wrong with that if they were making the office stink. On balance though, I wouldn't recommend starting. I don't think it's worth the trouble, the risk, and the cost. Smoking impacted my life, but not in a good way. But it's your choice...

EDIT: Oh, I almost forgot. Smoking will give you yellow teeth, yellow fingers and make your skin age faster. It also can make your voice deeper, though sometimes that's a good thing...
 
Ever heard the argument "If you quit smoking now, you can add ten years to your life"?

Well, guess what! Those are the years that we don't want! Those are the years you're stuck in a bed, wetting yourself, pooping yourself, being all ga-ga and a general nuisance for everyone else.

















I'll get me coat
 
Come on, Diego. Smokers in 20's already function like a beat up, crappy engine. :lol:
 
@OpheliaMontague - You should go to a methadone clinic and tell them to "just stop". Since they weren't born with a heroin/crack addiction, they should be able to just drop the needle/pipe and walk away, right? Now times their addiction by 10 and thats how hard it is to quit for a smoker. Do you know how it would be for a crack/smack addiction to quit if it was legal to do, as long as you were outside in public, and it could be bought at almost every corner. Yeah, for some people, thats smoking. Think about it, and hopefully you atleast rethink your comment as not everyone can just turn off an addiction like flipping a switch.
I don't believe that she was saying that smokers weren't born with a nicotine addiction so they should simply be able to quit.

I believe she was saying that starting to smoke in the first place was a free choice made by the smoker, and so the smoker then doesn't have a lot of room to complain when it comes to a loss of "rights" that go with that decision.
 
Ever heard the argument "If you quit smoking now, you can add ten years to your life"?

Well, guess what! Those are the years that we don't want! Those are the years you're stuck in a bed, wetting yourself, pooping yourself, being all ga-ga and a general nuisance for everyone else.

Those ten years doesn't have to be that way.

Edit : Was that an excuse for (continue) smoking...?
 
Naw, never have smoked, and, in fact, secondhand smoke irritates me. No, not angers, but actually makes me cough, sputter, eyes go all itchy, can't stand the stuff. I can't even stand the smell after someone's smoked. I couldn't imagine myself breathing it in on purpose. I think I might be allergic.

on an unrelated note, I'd like to smoke my tires, but haven't ever had a powerful enough car...
 
I always wait for till I'm done, then while others are finishing dessert or paying, I'll go out for a quick smoke while I wait. Also, when I'm at other peoples houses who don't smoke and have kids, I usually go sit out front and have a quick smoke there.

On the other hand though, if I'm in my girlfriends car or at home (we both smoke) and someone is with us who doesn't, I always roll down the window or just go into the other room, I WON'T butt out or step outside as its my house and if I have non smokers won the battle at the bars, they sure as hell aren't going to win the battle in my own vehicle or house. Sorry, my car/house, my rules. If you don't like it, go outside.

Not to be rude to them, but this fascism has to end somewhere.

@OpheliaMontague - You should go to a methadone clinic and tell them to "just stop". Since they weren't born with a heroin/crack addiction, they should be able to just drop the needle/pipe and walk away, right? Now times their addiction by 10 and thats how hard it is to quit for a smoker. Do you know how it would be for a crack/smack addiction to quit if it was legal to do, as long as you were outside in public, and it could be bought at almost every corner. Yeah, for some people, thats smoking. Think about it, and hopefully you at least rethink your comment as not everyone can just turn off an addiction like flipping a switch.

+rep

Points on the more general topic:
Smokers who start in this day and age are stupid? Only if their goal is a long healthy life, and even then, smoking wouldn't be their most dangerous adversary. Hell, last time I saw, it wasn't even guaranteed to shorten your life. It just increased risk.

If your goal instead is to enjoy your life, get the most experience out of it, and enjoy all the pleasures available to you, and you find smoking to be particularly pleasurable (believe it or not, some people do), then NOT smoking would be stupid.

In short, I tend to think that the general smoking taboo is driven more by people who can't stand the smell than by the actual and undeniable general health risks. If it really was such a major threat to society as a whole as it tends to be made out, it would be banned outright. The government would still get their tobacco taxes from those companies who love reminding you how bad it is for you and how hard it is to quit just before they sell you a month's worth of nicotine patches or nicotine gum with the disclaimer "requires willpower" on the side. In fact, if smoking was banned outright these devices would probably lead to apparently healthier ways to get a regular nicotine fix, and replace cigarettes rather than just attempt to wean people off them. Until one day a scientist somewhere points out that the glue holding the patch to your arm causes skin cancer.

There's also a popular argument, which I have seen in action in this thread, that smokers must consider the effect that their untimely death may have on those who love them, be more considerate, and give up smoking. Dunno about the rest of you, but if my partner smoked, whether they started before or after we met, and I convinced them to stop by pointing out that I didn't want them to die too soon and wanted all the time with them I could get, well, as romantic as that is, in that argument, I'm being the selfish one, not my partner, because I'm looking after my own interests and not hers. If she wants to smoke, she can. It's her body, not mine.

To the person who was considering starting... it's not banned yet. If you want to do it, do it. You're probably going to anyway. Just be warned that it's not a good move health wise, it's expensive, it can be addictive (I had little trouble stopping so I guess not everyone gets addicted), it might make your lungs feel smaller, once you smoke regularly it will never again taste or feel as good as the first ones, your clothes will stink, you'll burn a hole in your best tie, your mouth will taste terrible in the morning, you'll probably cough a lot, and may start coughing up blood. You'll develop "habit" smoke breaks which can be distracting, food won't taste as good, you might get grumpy in aeroplanes. Sooner or later you might start smoking while driving, and driving a car isn't half as much fun if you're nursing a cigarette. Also, you're almost guaranteed to drop a lit one in your crotch sooner or later, and probably at 70mph. That's exciting, but not fun. On the plus side, smokers have had a perfect excuse to take extra work breaks ever since they got kicked out of their offices by non smokers. Nothing wrong with that if they were making the office stink. On balance though, I wouldn't recommend starting. I don't think it's worth the trouble, the risk, and the cost. Smoking impacted my life, but not in a good way. But it's your choice...

EDIT: Oh, I almost forgot. Smoking will give you yellow teeth, yellow fingers and make your skin age faster. It also can make your voice deeper, though sometimes that's a good thing...

Agreed, and more +rep
 
I don't mind other people smoking, I'm just not tough enough to take it, apparently.

On another note, I've noticed this "Ban Smoking in Bars" thing...which is a little strange to me. I mean, people often go to bars to smoke and drink. there's the old stereotypical "Smoky Bar." There's places you can go and get drunk without having someone light up beside you. But, no, we've gotta shoot ourselves in the foot by forcing businesses out of the state by bannng smoking in every single public place....

Keep in mind that I don't either smoke or drink, but the hit bars take when people can't smoke, and thus, the hit the local economy takes, is a little unacceptable to me.
 
People don't go to bars to smoke. They sure do go there to drink, but also to enjoy a good time out with some mates, meet some people, etc. When smoking was allowed in bars, it became a place that only smokers could enjoy, because the non-smoker would actually hate to go there because of the stench and smell of cigarette. So effectively, they weren't getting as many customers at these bars. After the ban on smoking, both smokers and non-smokers could enjoy a night out at the pub/bar, and if the smoker wanted to smoke, he could just go outside. Unfair? I don't think so.
Alfaholic
If your goal instead is to enjoy your life, get the most experience out of it, and enjoy all the pleasures available to you, and you find smoking to be particularly pleasurable (believe it or not, some people do), then NOT smoking would be stupid.
Right. Oh, and by the way, that crack dealer down the street has some pleasures available to you, as well. Don't forget to stop by him.
Duke
I don't believe that she was saying that smokers weren't born with a nicotine addiction so they should simply be able to quit.

I believe she was saying that starting to smoke in the first place was a free choice made by the smoker, and so the smoker then doesn't have a lot of room to complain when it comes to a loss of "rights" that go with that decision.
Exactly. Fine, start smoking. It's a pretty stupid thing to do in this day and age, and the majority of people out there will agree. So don't expect that if you are a smoker, to be treated like anyone else, while polluting the air we breathe with offensive and potentially harmful chemicals. It's a disgusting habit, which you don't just "get into". You actually start it yourself, at full will. So if you expect to be treated just like us non-smokers, then you're in for a rude shock.

It's not fascism. It's just something that the majority of people out there strongly dislike, and if the majority of people dislike something, you're going to hear about it.
 
So effectively, they weren't getting as many customers at these bars. After the ban on smoking, both smokers and non-smokers could enjoy a night out at the pub/bar, and if the smoker wanted to smoke, he could just go outside. Unfair? I don't think so.

That is statistically incorrect.

Many bars lost up to 40% of their business after non-smoking bars took effect. The bars that didn't lose that much saw no less than 15% of their sales not return after the bans took effect. This would suggests that more non-smokers put up to the smoke pre-ban than smokers put up to no smoke post-ban.

And 40% of sales is a hell of a lot of money. Hell, even 15% is a huge loss.
 
SRV2LOW4ME
@OpheliaMontague - You should go to a methadone clinic and tell them to "just stop". Since they weren't born with a heroin/crack addiction, they should be able to just drop the needle/pipe and walk away, right? Now times their addiction by 10 and thats how hard it is to quit for a smoker. Do you know how it would be for a crack/smack addiction to quit if it was legal to do, as long as you were outside in public, and it could be bought at almost every corner. Yeah, for some people, thats smoking. Think about it, and hopefully you atleast rethink your comment as not everyone can just turn off an addiction like flipping a switch.

To compare an addiction to nicotine to an addiction to something like heroin is just ridiculous. And to claim its harder to give up cigarettes than it is to give up an illegal drug just proves how ignorant you are. Perhaps I'm mis-interpreting what you've said...

SRV2LOW4ME
Now times their addiction by 10 and thats how hard it is to quit for a smoker.

...but I've had first hand experience with heroin addicts and I know that the pain they go through when they have to go without is absolutely nothing compared to the cravings of a smoker! I've never been addicted to a drug, but I've had to look after someone who has been and its not easy. I've also watched my step-dad attempt to quit smoking and the only side effects I noticed for him was a larger-than-normal stash of chocolates in the fridge. Smoking is pointless and disgusting and you're never going to convince me otherwise. Its obvious you're a fan and I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but don't you dare go and exaggerate how hard it is to stop by comparing it to something you clearly know nothing about.
 
I've also watched my step-dad attempt to quit smoking and the only side effects I noticed for him was a larger-than-normal stash of chocolates in the fridge.

So how do you explain the impatience and anger when my cousin doesn't get a cigarette. hmm...
 
Right. Oh, and by the way, that crack dealer down the street has some pleasures available to you, as well. Don't forget to stop by him. Exactly. Fine, start smoking. It's a pretty stupid thing to do in this day and age, and the majority of people out there will agree.

Different strokes for different folks.

Some people drink, some smoke and some do both.
 
I've never heard of someone eating chocolate when they don't get their nicotine fix.

Most to all of the people i've been around who need a cigarette are always angry and impatient. The only thing they keep saying is that they need a cigarette and/or have a headache. Now if that's not too hard of an addiction, i don't know what is.

You could almost somewhat relate an addiction to nicotine to OCD (Obsessive compulsive Disorder). You don't really need that cigarette, but to function properly you just have to smoke it. With my OCD, I don't necessarily have to do something in multiples of three (If i do something 2 times i have to do it 3, if i do something 6 times i have to do it 9), but in order for me to go on with my day properly, I have to do it.
 
I've never heard of someone eating chocolate when they don't get their nicotine fix.

It's quite common, when I can't have a smoke I typically just chew on some gum. The act of doing something occupies my mind for a little bit. But chocolate, other snacks, gum, chewing on a pencil, and other nervous habits are common replacement for cigarettes.

And I don't get mad or anything if I don't have a cigarette.
 
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