Do you still support PD?

[Topsu]

I have to support them, because there is amazing stuff under all the mediocrity. Eg. the lighting engine. It's something only PD can do. Even the standards look amazing in it. In any other game they would be even more unforgivable.

 

[C-ZETA]

Or do you just want a game tailored to you exact needs and desires and everyone who disagrees can just shut up?

It's actually a very valid thread question and I think that despite those that support PD fully, GT5 HAS damaged PDs image in the eyes of Millions. They've done an Arsenal IMO, they were at or near the top for a while but have let standards slip. I'm not happy with that, PD should be more like Man Utd, able to change and stay at the top.

I don't expect any game to have everything I want. That's not the way of doing it.

And it is a valid thread question, yes, but controversial since many peoples opinions have changed after the release and people just seem to jump on and give massive opinions on why it's happened. I myself didn't entirely want everything in the game, but I've accepted their place in the game where as others just say at their first glance 'OMG PD WTF Horns yes Porsche 956 no???' There is only so much PD can do, so they try to maximize what they can use and just leave it at that. Also if PD were Arsenal they'd still be the 4th best game company around, they're more like Crystal Palace. No matter how low they go I've been on their bandwagon long enough to keep a support of them though. And remember, times are troubled for PD as well. They can't be a Man Utd in their current situation so you can't say they'll be there. If my favorite team can't be at the top I can accept it.

 

[Akira GT]

I support them but they need to bring some more staff because the Video Game industry has changed and real Sequels are being made every 3 years PD just need to get better technology of hire more staff to keep up today's ridiculous demands.

All in all I support them but not some of their Ideas... and also they've Kinda had to deal with a Earthquake, Tsunami and a possible nuclear meltdown (which thankfully didn't happen)

EDIT: In october 2009 Kaz said the game could have been released at anytime but I think we all knew PD was lying when they said the game as complete.. Kaz said in January 2010 that GT5 was 90% done then in Summer 2010 it was still 90%... Wait WHAT??

Source:
http://www.digitalspy.ie/gaming/news/a181947/gt5-could-be-released-any-time.html
https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-is-still-90-complete/


They are a good and kind Game Developer but god does their President (Kaz) is really bad at lying!! Tell the truth man!!

So Yes I support PD but the boss needs to stop lying all the time then say he actually wanted another 2 Years

 

[mastretta_mx]

Why not? they have made one of the most awesome franchises for the last 13 years, yes, they've made a lot of mistakes, but, what studio is free of that?

 

[maxpontiac]

I for one don't.

Yet you took the time to post a thread at Gran Turismo Planet.

I just do not understand what the motive is behind threads like this.

Attention?
Affirmation?
Trolling?
MS employee?

Sorry, but I don't buy the "just want to discuss with the community" routine because GT5 is a video game, IE a form of entertainment. That of course means, if you are not entertained, move on.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Yes, I support PD. But I don't agree with every single decision they made regarding GT5. I enjoy the game but I'm still pretty critical of it.

 

[C-ZETA]

I just do not understand what the motive is behind threads like this.

Wanting to get everyone's view, which ends in a flame war between fanboys and the converted

 

[Whistle Snap]

I have to support them, because there is amazing stuff under all the mediocrity. Eg. the lighting engine. It's something only PD can do. Even the standards look amazing in it. In any other game they would be even more unforgivable.

Didn't the Swedes provide PD their lighting?

Illuminate Labs’ lighting solutions, based on the proprietary LiquidLight® technology, are used in many of the most exciting game titles like Gran Turismo (Polyphony Digital), Killzone 2 (Guerrilla)

And what the hell happened between Prologue and GT5?

 

[Tornado]

Second, you should probably take a more respectful route of starting a discussion other than "BULL".

I didn't start the discussion. Your initial post that I was responding to contained no such respect, and in fact actually had the balls to say that it was basically my fault if I have any problems with the game as it was released. The post I was responding to from DaveS1138 was written in a mocking tone, so I responded in kind.



Its nothing personal, but I've been listening to this same kind of "its not PD's fault that GT5 didn't meet its own hype" crap since the game came out, and I didn't put up with it back in November either.

 

[maxpontiac]

Wanting to get everyone's view, which ends in a flame war between fanboys and the converted

Indeed. But hey, the topic creator achieved his mission though. I, along with several dozens of others posted in it.

LOL

 

[Kryz11]

Seems PD is waiting for PS4 to have that perfect GT game vision. PS3 is not that powerful, there for that why it takes ages for them to do anyting on it, lack of memory, lack of more powerful processing unit to do all the calculations etc.

 

[jaycee_xr3]

I support them when I has bought the game

 

[Crumpet]

Maybe, I regret supporting the £130 I spent on it though.

 

[GTOne2Three]

Seing the new Footage of Forza 4 on gamespot this morning.. I think it's safe to say that GT is officially in it's deathbed

 

[PhillGuy]

If the DLC is crap then i think I am done with it. There are many good Driving/Racing Sims/Games out there.

 

[sumbrownkid]

If the DLC is crap then i think I am done with it. There are many good Driving/Racing Sims/Games out there.

For consoles, I cannot get beyond Forza and Gran Turismo in quality sim racers.

Good luck on your hunt.👍

@GTOne2Three: Not really.

Both are on different consoles, and GT always stayed strong on the PS, and Forza always stayed strong on the Xbox.

 

[Christian_C]

I own their game, I play it regularly, I visit a forum orientated around their games so yes I suppose you could say I do

and I hate commentating about GT v Forza but they ruined Forza for me when they started making it more 'mainstream' in its handling and online aspect, I wont be buying 4, enough said.

also:

you're looking at the car from slightly different angles

 

[Slash]

Angles shouldn't matter in that case. You can clearley see major differences, the wheels being the most noticable.

 

[Yohdawg]

I still play when I have time and I can honestly say that there is some life in it (seasonals just about all I do). Yet the amount of 'so much wrong' from Prologue to GT5 (and still continuing) has me seriously reconsidering future purchases from them. I'll definitely borrow their next driving sim before buying it.

The lack of communication, bugs and sugar coating with more bugs really did it in for me.

 

[JTpwnface]

forgive me for this.... but this is absurd

To the OP, and anyone who bashes PD.... How can you be so totally ignorant?

Japan was under crisis, possible nuclear meltdown, and billions of dollars of damages after that tsunami. Not to mention how many lives lost? I don't even know... It will be decades before most of that is restored.

And you have the nerve to say they're dropping the ball on GT5.

They have much bigger things to worry about in Japan, than produce updates for a video game.

 

[NA]

forgive me for this.... but this is absurd

To the OP, and anyone who bashes PD.... How can you be so totally ignorant?

Japan was under crisis, possible nuclear meltdown, and billions of dollars of damages after that tsunami. Not to mention how many lives lost? I don't even know... It will be decades before most of that is restored.

And you have the nerve to say they're dropping the ball on GT5.

They have much bigger things to worry about in Japan, than produce updates for a video game.

So what is PD doing then? I keep hearing this argument, but never hear what it is that PD is doing instead of working on updates. It must be top seceret government stuff though, because PD insists they're all ok and working hard on the updates they supposedly don't have time for has a cover story.

 

[DaveS1138]

So much irony.

For example, its even funnier how that doesn't change a damn thing; but the funniest part is that this was the next bit which you conveniently forgot:

It does chang a damn thing......you claimed that Kaz said "The game is finished.....we can release it tomorrow."

He never said any such thing.

What he said was that they could release the game in it's present state.....or they could keep working on it indefinetly.....

His quote does not mean in any way, shape or form what you claimed it meant.

And the end result was to release a game so unfinished that you couldn't even adjust gear ratios until that was fixed with a patch (and when that was fixed, it wasn't fixed right, and we had to wait for another patch to fix them properly). Nearly a year later, and the game is still missing functionality listed on the game box.


So, again, in regards to the original statement about how its the consumer's fault for having misinformed expectations, perhaps those expectations wouldn't have been misinformed if Kaz had kept his mouth shut. Because when you spend a year talking up how flawless a game is going to be because of all that QA work you are putting into it, you kinda deserve the backlash you get when you release the game and the list of stuff that works perfectly is barely any longer than the list of stuff that is broken.

You could adjust gear ratios......just not individually until it was patched.

GT5 was a damn good game as it was on release day. It is an even better game now after some patches.

I'm sorry if you didn't get the same level of enjoyment out of it as I did....but it's not something I am going to loose any sleep over.

I'm curious about your list of things that are broken being longer than the list of things that work though......especially since the only thing you mention is the gear ratios having to be adjusted together instead of individualy.

You'll need more than 1 example to make a claim like that.

It's also funny to see so many people claim that PD were hyping GT5 to monsterous levels.......since the criticism before GT5 came out was of how little PD were talking about GT5 at all........

Where is all this hype? Does anybody have any links?

 

[NA]

Here's 78,400 links about GT5 hype, lol....

http://www.google.com/hws/search?cl...n&channel=en&adsafe=low&q=Gran turismo 5 hype

J/k

 

[DaveS1138]

Here's 78,400 links about GT5 hype, lol....

http://www.google.com/hws/search?cl...n&channel=en&adsafe=low&q=Gran turismo 5 hype

J/k

None of the links on the first page were from PD. I didn't bother looking any further than that.

The claim is that PD hyped GT5 to monsterous levels and the game didn't live up to their hype.

I am asking for links where PD were hyping GT5.

 

[Tenacious D]

Sure, I still support Kaz and PD, and GT5.

GT5 has has the problem that while there are many magnificent things in it, it's also marred by some bizarre and poorly implemented ideas. A short A-Spec Mode that doesn't even use all the tracks available; a strange B-Spec Mode which is fortunately just as short, and without a clear path of schooling your drivers to be their best; so-so online structure; a paintshop without any freaking paint... we all know the lists by now. Some people still haven't gotten over the whole Standard cars inclusion, as if they had to drive them all the time, and they had to push them out of the way to get to their beloved Premiums.

Not too surprisingly, outside of the boards, gamers I know think of these issues as oddities or quirks to work around. They either deal with B-Spec or ignore it. They don't really notice much difference between Standards and Prems, they just race. They don't live on the boards to adore or flame GT5 or Polyphony or Kaz. They race their cars, they enjoy them, they tear around the impeccable Nordshliefe endlessly, then put the PS3 to bed when they're done. Would they rather that GT5 was different? Yeah, but it doesn't matter as much as being able to race in it after a long wait.

And this is my point too. I could be playing a competitor's game which makes sorting through files of decals, liveries and pics a patience testing ordeal. I can't feel the cars as well. It's loaded with supercars and exotics, and lacks some of the cars I want to drive. I don't find it as well rounded. The PC sims I own are bland, dry and limited to a handful of cars I want to race. So in the limited free time for games I have these days, when I want to race, I fire up GT5. After watching the Japanese opening on YouTube.

Some of you act like it only takes a month to come up with massive changes to a game so involved and complex. Never mind the fact that you guys are dreaming, or that the team has had to deal with weeks of power outages, or that some of them are haunted by the loss of loved ones from the Japanese disaster - hundreds or thousands which have just vanished, or that much of Polyphony had to move hundreds of miles. Heck, after a month, I'm still moving stuff from my old house. I'm surprised that the team went back to work on GT5 as soon as they did, considering all this.

You grouchers may not like the fact that we're not as unhappy as you are. Frankly, I couldn't care less. If you're still dissatisfied after all this time, why haven't you moved on to Forza, Grid, Shift or whatever game might make you a happier camper? And sites which cater to fans of those games? Do you really want a dialog with us, or do you want to stir up trouble and make us agree with you?

There is a Forza 4 coming along in a few weeks. Maybe the noise level will die down when it ships.

 

[Tornado]

It does chang a damn thing......you claimed that Kaz said "The game is finished.....we can release it tomorrow."

He never said any such thing.

No. He simply said something that has the exact same meaning.

You could adjust gear ratios......just not individually until it was patched.

That you think such pedantic nonsense is actually a valid defense says more about you than it does anything else.

I'm curious about your list of things that are broken being longer than the list of things that work though......especially since the only thing you mention is the gear ratios having to be adjusted together instead of individualy.

You'll need more than 1 example to make a claim like that.

It's also funny to see so many people claim that PD were hyping GT5 to monsterous levels.......since the criticism before GT5 came out was of how little PD were talking about GT5 at all........

Where is all this hype? Does anybody have any links?

Based on the way you have conducted yourself so far, I have to imagine even if I did bother looking all this stuff up for you you would just twist into the most blatant pro-PD propaganda imaginable. In that respect, you're not playing the most original role in this conversation; and believe me when I say that I've debated people over this very issue who did a far better job at playing that role than you are.

 

[deep_sky]

You could adjust gear ratios......just not individually until it was patched

So...you couldn't adjust gear ratios then? Come on, you can't say we could adjust gear ratios when we quite clearly couldn't.

Some of you act like it only takes a month to come up with massive changes to a game so involved and complex.

It would take a couple of hours for me: unlock all paint chips and make them have unlimited usage, and make time/weather options available for offline. That's all I want.

If you're still dissatisfied after all this time, why haven't you moved on to Forza, Grid, Shift or whatever game might make you a happier camper?

Whenever anyone brings up this argument, it never makes any sense. How does people moving to another game help Polyphony? How does it help online? Lobbies will get even smaller, and in future, Polyphony will miss out on sales if people move on Forza, Grid or Shift and never come back to GT.

It makes absolutely no sense to say "well go and play game X if you don't like it"; we (and Sony) want as many people playing GT as possible and to enjoy doing so. And quite honestly I don't think it would take much for everyone to enjoy GT5.

Unfortunately, as you say, it's marred by some poorly implemented ideas and some baffling design decisions. But none of them are unfixable. Sadly, rather than fixing them, PD are giving us racing suits, remote racing and other junk that nobody has asked for.

 

[NA]

None of the links on the first page were from PD. I didn't bother looking any further than that.

The claim is that PD hyped GT5 to monsterous levels and the game didn't live up to their hype.

I am asking for links where PD were hyping GT5.

Yah, it was just a bit of silly on my part sparked by too much coffee.
I'm in no way interested in finding PD specific hype links for real though has it's easily found all over the news blogs of GTP over the last six years, in the form of "Kaz says blah at this event, to that magazine, and/or in vauge tweets" type articles. I would also recognize that the rest of the internet is even more guilty of hyping itself by running round crazy at the posting of each of those such articles, and would have most likely overly hyped itself without anything at all from Kaz anyway. So to me it's moot. PD hype or no PD hype, the end result is the same, and proving fault accomplishes nothing in the way of changing the minds of people who wish to lay blame on a respective party.

 

[Culkin]

I support them as I enjoy the GT series lots but I will lose some support for them if they decide to stop improving GT5 to what it should have been as a finished product 👍

 

[DaveS1138]

No. He simply said something that has the exact same meaning.

You claim he said the game is finished........he never said the game is finished.....how do they have the exact same meaning?

That you think such pedantic nonsense is actually a valid defense says more about you than it does anything else.


Based on the way you have conducted yourself so far, I have to imagine even if I did bother looking all this stuff up for you you would just twist into the most blatant pro-PD propaganda imaginable. In that respect, you're not playing the most original role in this conversation; and believe me when I say that I've debated people over this very issue who did a far better job at playing that role than you are.

wow....based on my two replies you have already formed that opinion of me huh?

what was it you said....

That you think such pedantic nonsense is actually a valid defense says more about you than it does anything else.

Still......I guess throwing around a cheap insult is easier than trying to prove your claim huh...