Do you still support PD?

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I support PD with all the updates and maybe later DLC, it's making GT5 closer to a PC sim.

Do you see that as a good or bad thing? And I think if Sony or Mircrosoft updated their systems or did thing like pcs more so in Sony's case then we may possibly have a hybrid system game console will be around soon enough for the "true GT simulator"
 
I see that fact that Japan was hit with earthquakes and tsunamis causing major delays in updates and possibly dlc for gt5 didnt cross your mind ..
 
I see that fact that Japan was hit with earthquakes and tsunamis causing major delays in updates and possibly dlc for gt5 didnt cross your mind ..

Who exaclty are you calling out, cause several of us have realized that if you're speaking out in general that is. If you're being specific it might help to say who to
 
I see that fact that Japan was hit with earthquakes and tsunamis causing major delays in updates and possibly dlc for gt5 didnt cross your mind ..
It has....and has been said. These discussions do not set aside there problems (for me at least)
 
Umm im not calling out anyone.
Im talking to the OP

So in general then, well I've said here and everywhere that the Tsunami was probably a big set back for PD and for all of Japan. It was a sad event, but when I say I start to doubt PD I say prior to this tragic event. To me it seems PD felt rushed, but I can't fully say that because more so this game had been worked on for 5-6 year up to its release. There had to be something there that PD hasn't told anyone as to why they had to take so long and still not be complete. However, that is the very reason why I cut them some slack because it wasn't there idea to give us an incomplete game. Yet it was more than a little incomplete considering how many patches have been put out. More so license deals may have fallen through the cracks and this is what put bigger delays on the game. With Forza and others, organizations may see them as bigger names to join up with and give them their info about their cars.

All in all I think PD had many issues in the development that we don't know about, I know certain race series didn't span out for the game like Kaz had intended. I also think they were a bit lazy and didn't have an alternative route and thus thought they could add to the game later on due to it being on a system that enables updates. Both are a loss for us obviously in some sense. Also I think the quest to make the best Simulator for Kaz had led him off the path and to try certain items that other games in the category like Forza have done. We will see how things go, but at the moment I'm not happy with PD development of the game, yet I feel they can pull through.
 
Yea thing is I dont get in on this discussion anymore because its basically all just speculations and opinions .. at the end of the day if you dont like the game dont play I guess
 
Yea thing is I dont get in on this discussion anymore because its basically all just speculations and opinions .. at the end of the day if you dont like the game dont play I guess

yeah....that's the standard conclusion that irritates me a tad.

The people complaining are vocal and Passionate about the game and WANT IT TO BE BETTER. HOW exactly does not playing the game achieve that?
 
The AI is one of the few things in GT5 that I can say is better in every way than it was in GT4. Its not aggressive enough and it still tends to be a bit robotic, but the AI in GT4 was incomparably stupid.

Its not an exaggeration when I say that it might be the worst I've ever seen in a racing game, so to see such a dramatic improvement for it in GT5 is quite nice. I really just wish the AI temperature levels happened in A-Spec like they do in B-Spec.

Me too. I also wish they could somehow allow us to turn off that awful yielding behaviour they patched in. Man that's annoying.

+1 to both of you. It was one of the few "oh my" moments when I first got GT5...seeing the Ai 3 abreast going into a corner, not just one at a time in a line.

Agree about the patch and the "yielding".....really spoiled the Ai IMO. And a case of PD making something WORSE with a patch and not better, like removing the standing starts.
 
I see that fact that Japan was hit with earthquakes and tsunamis causing major delays in updates and possibly dlc for gt5 didnt cross your mind ..
It shouldn't have needed updates is the general consensus amongst longtime GT players.
Between GT 1, 2, 3, & 4, there was 1 update, which was an offer by PD to replace bugged initial GT2 discs.
That same form of bug exists in GT5, but there has been no offer of such, just updates that only help as much as 80% of GT5 players, as only 80% of PS3 owners (by Sony's estimates) have online access.

Yea thing is I dont get in on this discussion anymore because its basically all just speculations and opinions .. at the end of the day if you dont like the game dont play I guess
It's really got nothing to do with liking or disliking GT5 as a whole.
Most everyone agrees the content is second to none, certainly on the PS3. The problem comes in when people, such as myself, made our game console decisions based on this games upcoming arrival expecting PD to deliver more.
It's certainly ok to voice a frustration of, in my case, $560 USD spent on something you thought would be much better than it is.

If need be come March I may just take the plunge and spend close to the same for FM4, but I don't want to, I have a bias dislike of Microsoft in general. I would prefer to only buy their PC's, (cheap) and even that I've yet to do, I've gotten away with using second hand PC's for the past 10 years. :D
 
Every single person who had a problem with GT4 is a total n00b.

And, everyone who has a problem with GT5 is a total n00b.

Sorry, guys.

Please remember to enjoy GT5 responsibly. There are no "physics" in the game unless tire wear is on and skid recovery force is off. Remember that!
 
The AI is one of the few things in GT5 that I can say is better in every way than it was in GT4. Its not aggressive enough and it still tends to be a bit robotic, but the AI in GT4 was incomparably stupid.

Its not an exaggeration when I say that it might be the worst I've ever seen in a racing game, so to see such a dramatic improvement for it in GT5 is quite nice. I really just wish the AI temperature levels happened in A-Spec like they do in B-Spec.

I've seen a lot of these similar comments on the AI here on GTP.

I played GT4 extensively and in GT5, I don't percieve that big a difference.
GT5 AI seem more predictable.
Can the AI be better? Depends on what your perception of "better" is.

Running a lot of high A-spec point races in GT4, I found the AI to be quite crafty at times.
The 1000mis at the Nurb and the roadster endurance particularly come to mind.
The difference was you were constantly challenged to keep the AI behind you driving an inferior car.

Personally I like an element of unpridictability.
Its present in real racing all the time.
Changing or missing the line, sliding the car, breaking too late or to early,
blocking, cutting someone off. Its all part of the racing, sometimes intentional, sometimes not.

The best AI, I have encountered in a console racing game and one of the few things EA did well, was in their Nascar games.

One in particular had a mad meter and if you roughed up a driver his meter went up and the more aggressive he would race you.
If his meter went into the red zone, he would come after you with a vengeance.
With some drivers it only took a tap. With others it would take a little more.

This added the greatest AI dimension of reality to the game I've experienced in any console racing game.
 
This thread confirms what I have been sensing and I was about to post a thread asking if we are witnessing the demise of the GT series, I have been a die hard GT fan since GT1 but I have never been more disappointed with the general direction and lack of fresh new ideas and innovation from PD, it seems they are stuck in the 90's.

I for one am seriously looking closely into what Forza 4 is doing and would not be surprised if I give them a try.
 
I for one am seriously looking closely into what Forza 4 is doing and would not be surprised if I give them a try.
I'm wondering if PD are not purposedly waiting for FM4 before implementing (with updates and DLC?) all the features originally intended to be included in GT5. Many ideas first appeared in the various GTs ended up being in Forza games too shortly after, after all.
 
It's alright to be a GT fanboy.
But you should understand some of us simply take it for what is actually is.
I did like the cheats list though, those were awesome fun when you finally got bored with the games.

Really.....a cheap insult.....that's the best response you have?

B-Spec Races take twice as long, same amount of races, 2+1 = 3 - 2/3.
Ahhh the old "Don't like it don't play it" adage. ;) What does that have to do with B-Spec being over half the "career" mode?
Nothing, that's right. 👍

Do you realize you just said "If you don't like two-thirds of the game, play the other third"?
That's correct, two-thirds of the game is completely un-enjoyable to most players. We may all have used it for the low amounts of cash before updates, but that doesn't make it "great game programming" now does it?

b-spec is not 2/3 of the game. Even if you dont want to play b-spec you have the same number of races in a-spec + licence tests + special events.

And yes if you dont enjoy b-spec then dont play it.....there is no reason to....it is not required to play a-spec.

it's a very simple concept......if you dont enjoy something then don't do it....I am suprised if you couldn't work that out all on your own.

However for the people that did enjoy b-spec.....are you honestly suggesting that PD should have cut that out of the game just because you personaly didn't like it......a little egotistical don't you think?

I also like how you ignored Tornado's list. here it is again:
Kinda makes your Twisted Metal 2 list look a little small, ain't?

I never said GT5 didn't have bugs. I said that all games have bugs.

You said that in the "golden age" of gaming there were no games with bugs. I have posted lots of bugs from games during this "golden age".

You still cant just admit you were wrong though huh? :rolleyes:

It's ok......I understand it's easier for some people to throw cheap insults around than to simply admit they were wrong when presented by facts.


The problem comes in when people, such as myself, made our game console decisions based on this games upcoming arrival expecting PD to deliver more.
It's certainly ok to voice a frustration of, in my case, $560 USD spent on something you thought would be much better than it is.

Ahhhh........I see now the real reason for your anger. You are upset with PD because of your own stupidity. You spent $560 without waiting to read a single review or play the title yourself.........You built GT5 up in your own mind into something it was never going to be......and that's PD's fault........yeah......OK.
 
Every single person who had a problem with GT4 is a total n00b.

And, everyone who has a problem with GT5 is a total n00b.

Sorry, guys.

Please remember to enjoy GT5 responsibly. There are no "physics" in the game unless tire wear is on and skid recovery force is off. Remember that!

You are not serious, right?

You say in your signature that ABS slows the cars down. I experienced that even with Nascars on an Oval that you have been slowed down with activated ABS without braking at anytime. Something like this is really unrealistic.

I also dissable any aids and skid recovery, but you cant dictate how other play the game.
 
I'm wondering if PD are not purposedly waiting for FM4 before implementing (with updates and DLC?) all the features originally intended to be included in GT5. Many ideas first appeared in the various GTs ended up being in Forza games too shortly after, after all.
Wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which fills up first. :p
No, I don't think PD is "purposely waiting", people said the same things about GT5's release. I think we should all know by now PD is clearly not able to perform tasks of any kind, at even close to the same pace as any of the larger companies.

Like I said, you're entitled to think GT5 is the greatest game ever.
Sales, reviews, and customers overall have the highest say in the matter, and overall, they all disagree with you.
 
Like I said, you're entitled to think GT5 is the greatest game ever.
Sales, reviews, and customers overall have the highest say in the matter, and overall, they all disagree with you.

Where did I ever say GT5 was the "greatest game ever". Now your just being silly.

If you cant debate like a grown up perhaps you should take a break for a while.
 
I played GT4 extensively and in GT5, I don't percieve that big a difference.
GT5 AI seem more predictable.
In GT4, the AI would make the same mistakes. Every. Single. Lap. 24 hour endurance races where the AI not once completes a lap without crashing.



There are some car/tracks where it is blatant that the AI wasn't even coded for the physics engine that the game had. They would understeer off the track (nearly any race where the AI was driving FF cars) . They would slide into walls (any race at George V). They would brake way too late and go flying off the edge of the track (nearly any race at Le Sarthe or the Nurburgring). Every. Single. Lap.
Not only was your presence on the track almost completely unnoticed by them, but in the rally tracks they would stick to the racing line so much that if you had a car just as fast as yours they would slam into you at the start of the race and give you a penalty.

And on top of all this, they were ridiculously slow. GT3, GT2 and GT1 all had competitive AI that could come fairly close to matching your driving speed without doing any of those stupid screwups (granted, GT2 and probably GT1 had rubber-banding in effect for some of the races), and instead they would occasionally make their own fairly realistic mistakes (watch any race in GT2 with RWD cars at Laguna Seca and see how they sometimes mess up the Corkscrew). GT5 is the same way, only they have much better awareness for your location on the track and there is no rubber-banding. But GT4? GT4's AI was a disgrace.
 
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Where did I ever say GT5 was the "greatest game ever". Now your just being silly.

If you cant debate like a grown up perhaps you should take a break for a while.
Shall I quote your "cheap insult" remark?

There's nothing to debate, you have stated you love GT5 and think it's great even the way it came off store shelves.
In my opinion that's absurd. Most of what you say in GT5's defense are catch phrases "GT5 lovers" (since you get upset over fanboy) always use repeatedly.
Things like "don't like it don't do it" blah blah blah. I didn't say I was forced to do it, or that I completely hate it, or that it doesn't belong in the game, those are all words you tried to make me say, based off your own opinions of what you think I was saying.

Fact is, if someone sat down with a stopwatch, and timed one of every A-Spec and B-Spec event and totaled them together, B-Spec would be over half of that time.
If you timed level 0-40 in each, provided a good driver, B-Spec would probably be over two-thirds of the time.
 
I'm wondering if PD are not purposedly waiting for FM4 before implementing (with updates and DLC?) all the features originally intended to be included in GT5. Many ideas first appeared in the various GTs ended up being in Forza games too shortly after, after all.

This is something I've been thinking, too. Sneaky.

EDIT: And frustrating, if true.
 
Shall I quote your "cheap insult" remark?

quote it as often as you like.......you called me a fanboy for no other reason than I hold a different opinion about a game than you do....that is a cheap insult.

There's nothing to debate, you have stated you love GT5 and think it's great even the way it came off store shelves.
In my opinion that's absurd. Most of what you say in GT5's defense are catch phrases "GT5 lovers" (since you get upset over fanboy) always use repeatedly.
Things like "don't like it don't do it" blah blah blah. I didn't say I was forced to do it, or that I completely hate it, or that it doesn't belong in the game, those are all words you tried to make me say, based off your own opinions of what you think I was saying.

I'm glad you finally see that for what it is.......just your opinion. Everybody is entitled to their opinion just as everybody is free in a public forum to disagre with that and explain their reasons.

You are disapointed with GT5......I think it's a damn good game. We are free to discuss the reasons why we feel the way we do.....and I'm happy to do so when you continue to make posts such as this one and leave the cheap insults out of it.

However, "If you don't enjoy it don't do it" isn't just a catchphrase. I would think it's the way most people play any game. There are plenty of games that I have enjoyed aspects of but not enjoyed other parts off.....I play the bits I like and dont play the bits I dont. Seems like the smarter thing to do to me.

Personally I did enjoy b-spec. It's not my favourite part of the game by a long shot but I did enjoy it. Passing the historic race series was probably my favourite part of b-spec.

If I hadn't enjoyed it......I simply wouldn't have played it......there is more than enough content in the rest of the game to keep me occupied.

It's not a catchphrase......it's common sense.



Fact is, if someone sat down with a stopwatch, and timed one of every A-Spec and B-Spec event and totaled them together, B-Spec would be over half of that time.
If you timed level 0-40 in each, provided a good driver, B-Spec would probably be over two-thirds of the time.

what a very odd way to judge content.......

what if my bob finished a race first time but it took me 4 attempts......would you say a-spec had more content just because it took longer to finish? What if my bob was hopeless and it took him 50 attempts to finish a race I did first time......would you say that b-spec was 95% of the game instead of 2/3rds.......

that's just the oddest way I have ever heard somebody try to measure game content.

what if I set my bob racing but then turn over to watch the football but obviously have to sit through all the a-spec races......is a-spec now 99% of the content because I am not actually playing the game when b-spec is running.....

very odd.

Not to mention the longest races in b-spec are the exact same length as the a-spec equivalents......the 24 hour nurburgring and le mans races as well as the 9 hour race are the same length in both. Same for the 4 hour roadster, 300km, 1000km and 200 mile races.

It seems like you are coming up with an incredibly bizare way to measure content just to try to claim that b-spec is 2/3rds of the game when that system is an utterly preposterous way to measure given all of the above.

And that still doesn't address that there are licence tests and special events to pass for you as a player that are not in b-spec at all.......does none of that content count (seasonal events also if you have an internet connection.)

I think to claim that b-spec makes up 2/3rds of the game is just silly.
 
It's been sad to see the demise of the GT franchise.

The latest iteration was released unfinished and filled with terrible design decisions, but the real dissapointment has been the follow up support.

Bug fixes should be a given, although not always supported, but the lack of DLC and communication with the fanbase highlights how out of touch PD are.

All could be forgiven if the game was flawless (or as close as realistically possible), but apart from the physics engine and premium car models, GT5 is lacking. Forza 3 already gives it a close run, Forza 4 looks far superior.

I'm not a supporter of any particular game or platform, I'll go with whoever provides the best product. PD had five years of goodwill, they've let everyone down, the competition has caught up and are poised to pass them.

What can we expect from PD now, another two or three years of silence?
 
yeah....that's the standard conclusion that irritates me a tad.

The people complaining are vocal and Passionate about the game and WANT IT TO BE BETTER. HOW exactly does not playing the game achieve that?
Complaining and speculating wont make it better either..

It shouldn't have needed updates is the general consensus amongst longtime GT players.
Between GT 1, 2, 3, & 4, there was 1 update, which was an offer by PD to replace bugged initial GT2 discs.
That same form of bug exists in GT5, but there has been no offer of such, just updates that only help as much as 80% of GT5 players, as only 80% of PS3 owners (by Sony's estimates) have online access.
.. What ? lol

It's really got nothing to do with liking or disliking GT5 as a whole.
Most everyone agrees the content is second to none, certainly on the PS3. The problem comes in when people, such as myself, made our game console decisions based on this games upcoming arrival expecting PD to deliver more.
It's certainly ok to voice a frustration of, in my case, $560 USD spent on something you thought would be much better than it is.
Well you couldve did like a large portion of GT5 owners and bought a PS3 after it released 💡 instead of assuming it was going to be the second coming.
Dont get me wrong I dont mind the complaining at all it isnt hurting me a bit I enjoy the game and got as much play out of it as I did with gt4.
If your too busy focusing on the negatives to enjoy the positives thats fine by me . Critics will make the game better at the end.
But the thing is people take assumptions and speculations and run with it and make it seem as if PD dont care about its fans
 
Yes!

GT provided a realistic racing experience for me back in the day, and GT5 continues this trend and got me to spend hundred$ on a premium wheel setup. The feeling you get from the wheel in GT5 is unmatched imo. Probably the most immersive, challenging, and beautiful video game experience I've ever had.

PD proved to be quality over the years, so just because GT5 isn't perfect doesn't mean I'll jumpship from PD..that's:crazy:
 
I'm wondering if PD are not purposedly waiting for FM4 before implementing (with updates and DLC?) all the features originally intended to be included in GT5.

PD aren't that clever or tuned in to gaming culture. I wish they were. This is the sort of thing I could see Rockstar doing as a gag... PD probably has five people discussing/planning how to make the rearview mirror on the Cube better able to replicate the auto-dimming feature of the real-life model.

I love the GT series but the company is so out of focus and (seemingly) purposefully ignorant of what the fans want. And yeah, I'll buy GT6 is it's on the PS3. So I guess that counts as support.
 
Juz wanna add my 2 cents worth from someone new to the genre. First, I have not played GT4 or any before. In fact, I only played console game from Dec last year and GT5 is the only driving game (from Mar 11 till now) I played beside Need For Speed on PC 5 yrs ago.

I find GT5 so good that I bought G27 and wheelstand pro in June. I love driving in real life and GT5 is as close to driving as I had hoped for. So yes to a newbie like me, PD GT5 is wonderful. In fact, I find the AI so tough that I gotta watch my B spec for almost a month before trying some real race in A Spec. I could not pass any of the licenses even in bronze in the first week. So the B Spec is my form of winning money for buying super overpowered cars to win A Spec. I am also fascinated at how fast my bob can drive. Now, I do find B spec too dry or slow to even look at. So those who are already great at GT4, you probably too good to find GT5 a challenge and B spec way too slow and boring. For me, I find the A spec learning curve a wee bit steep initally. BTW, I can barely get pass S license in bronze just 2 months ago. Hopefully with more seasonals as training I can silver my licenses.
 
Complaining and speculating wont make it better either..

Complaining MAY make the game better, if enough people complain and it actually finds its way to Kaz and PD, What PD NEED to know is that they should stop with frippery stuff like Bspec and racing suits UNTIL the core game is better.

NOT complaining on the other hand will definitely NOT make the game better. So I'd rather complain.


It's similar to the "money can't buy happiness" saying.

Money may not guarantee happiness, but it goes a LONG way towards it and having NO money is pretty much guaranteed to make most people miserable as sin.
 
I love the GT series but the company is so out of focus and (seemingly) purposefully ignorant of what the fans want.

Such sweeping speculative generalizations are about as useful as motorcycle ashtrays.

OT: I've yet to play a racing game I enjoy or appreciate more than GT5. I started with GT1 and have been grateful for every game in the series. I support PD and wish them all success for the future.

There are many things I have become disenfranchised with, but GT is not one of them.
 
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