Do you think Sport owners should have the option to import their garage?

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  1. MatskiMonk

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    It doesn't matter if a car isn't 'compatible' between GTS and GT7, so long as it's present. They aren't actually carrying an asset over if you import, they're just putting a tick in a box that says 'yeah, the player has this car'. There's nothing to stop them doing that even if the asset has changed completely.

    I also wouldn't worry about database saturation. PD put a limit on how many liveries people can create, and if that limit is carried over along with liveries then they are no worse off than they are now.

    Because the decal files we upload are SVG files - vectors - PD can re-render them in as higher resolution as they want without us having to do anything. Assuming that the entire livery isn't converted to a bitmap locally on our consoles before saving (which I'm 99% positive it isn't) then it's also the case that the files containing the liveries could be recreated fairly easily using higher resolution versions of our decals. It's all pretty feasible in my opinion... even deleted or removed SVG decals still exist on the server. edit: Hell, I can do it now sat here at my PC.

    People that have done crappy auto traces of images will still have crappy decals though.
     
  2. fordlaser

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    I don't really understand why players want to import things from GT Sport to GT7 for, it did not happen between GT5 and GT6. So why have things that you already have in GT Sport on GT7 for, and it just makes no sense at all to have things imported from a previous game :crazy:.
    Just leave the things on GT Sport like it was for GT5, so if you want to play GT7 play it and if you wan to play GT Sport well play that game.
     
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  3. Tricky Vega

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    I really get your point, to start a save on a new game from the bottom of it, it is a fine CHOICE.

    But for the first time in all the Gran Turismo series we may be able to have the CHOICE of a save continuity between two games, and I have the feeling that it would not affect the career mode.

    And precisely bridges between GT Sport and GT7 may allow players to go on using GT Sport while playing GT7.

    I genuinely think it's worth a try even though I'm a bit sceptic it would appear in GT 7
     
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  4. Samus

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    No, you don't. You've made that clear.
     
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  5. Famine

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    It did happen between GT3 (and GT4 Prologue) and GT4 though. Old save game files gave you automatic completion status on the first Licence, and a bundle of credits.


    Which was nice and meant you didn't have to try an exploit a glitch to earn quick money before PD patched it out of the game because it was cheating, then talk down to other people and tell them they're supposed to start from the bottom because that's how it should be.
     
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  6. Imari

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    "Do it this way because we've done it this way before" is a terrible argument for doing something. If everything was always done the same way it had been done in the past, nothing would ever change. If it's a good idea, you should be able to justify it without resorting to pointing at the past and saying "that's the way it is". If you can't justify it without that, maybe it's not actually that good an idea anyway.

    I mean, I understand you might think that it's OK because you see that argument an awful lot in the real world too from people who either don't understand or don't want to put time into thinking more critically, but it doesn't make it any less dumb.

    Personally, I think there's far more to gain from people growing attachment to "their" cars over years and decades than there is from introducing some arbitrary "you must grind this much in order to play" standard. Getting cars in Gran Turismo isn't about skill, it's about time investment. And those of us who have been playing since 1997 have invested more than enough time that it doesn't seem that unreasonable that maybe we could just skip that and go straight to the fun part of the game, if we so chose.
     
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  7. Farnell42

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    Well, it is unlikely, but in case some cars get replaced in Sport Mode (the most likely cases being some old Gr. 4 cars whose replacements are readily available in road form), importing some "now-decommisioned" cars from Sport Mode for freeplay would be a nice move.
     
  8. MIE1992

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    Actually, the more I think about it, the more I’m against being able to import your cars from GTS. I think I’d much prefer a modest credit bonus at the start, but otherwise, everybody’s on the same footing, whether you played GTS or not; everybody gets to experience GT7 more or less the same way, rather than cheesing through campaign events with cars they imported from GTS. That’s before we get into how GT7 plans to handle microtransactions, such as if it’ll do something similar to GTS, or if it’ll completely omit them. Personally, I wouldn’t mind a return to GT5’s DLC packs, except they’d just be themed packs of Gr.X cars that are so unusual, that they’re never featured in online events, and in the rare cases they are, they would appear as a provided car. I could see the old Nike One 2022, the Toyota MTRC, and the LH Edition of the Mercedes VGT, but certainly not the other VGTs, the Red Bull cars, or the SF19 nor F1500T-A, to name some respective examples. But I personally like GTS’ take on microtransactions a lot, and I hope that it’s the direction GT7 chooses if PD decides to include them. (But hopefully getting credits won’t be such a grind, especially when racing in ranked online modes, and even more so in an online championship.)

    Besides, has there ever been such a case where you can transfer cars to the next game? I know there was trading in GT3 and GT5, but that’s not what I’m referring to.

    We also will likely see a special launch edition of GT7 that already starts you off with some extra cars and credits, just like we did for GT6 and GTS, and I think GT5, too, though I could be wrong on that one. So I personally think it’s quite unlikely, from a business perspective, that we’ll be able to import cars from GTS to GT7, though I hope they all return otherwise - even the LH Edition Mercedes VGT. (Hopefully that car in particular won’t be as much of a PitA to get in GT7, if it’s in there!)
     
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    DLC like cars and Credits with special edition content packages of GT7 yes, import your cars from GTS to your GT7 garage is no.
     
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  10. Samus

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    If you can cheese a race event simply because you already own some cars the problem is poor restrictions on the event, not the cars.

    If I became a millionaire tomorrow and bought a GT3 car I can't go and enter a race series for Renault Clios and cheese it.

    Cars are just tools required for the job.
     
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  11. CLowndes888

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    This was a problem in GT5. The restrictions were sometimes non-existent, meaning you could bring a really fast car to an event and just wreck everybody. Limits have to be imposed to make the competition more even.
     
  12. Islaygaz

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    If I get the option to import cars from GT Sport it’s a hard no from me! Credits I’ll probably take, but only if it’s like 100,000 or something of that magnitude.
    I’ll probably be getting a special edition version of the game anyway (if there is one) that will no doubt come with some cars so that’ll do me!
     
  13. Samus

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    This is why I'd prefer to see the old generic events replaced with more specificity. If you just have an event for FR cars with 400hp you're always going to get huge variance and they'll always be that one lightweight supercar with 397hp that can dominate the field of sports cars. There is a good reason FF Challenge and "American Championship" don't exist in reality.
     
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  14. Tired Tyres

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    Credits maybe but not cars. Unfair advantage against new players in sport mode GT7.

    Although to be honest I'd prefer a completely new start.
     
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  15. Tricky Vega

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    I get your point of view but I feel more like the advantage dwells more in the experience of driving that people acquired playing previous Gran Turismo games than precisely in the cars they may own in their garage especialy if the BOP goes on in GT7 Sport mode.

    And about a fresh start it seems that you would be allowed to do so.
     
  16. Tornado

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    import your cars from GTS to your GT7 garage is yes
     
  17. Tricky Vega

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    I'm with you buddy ! :cheers:
     
  18. redhed17

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    And if it is an option, you could choose not to do it. You're sorted. :tup: :)

    What advantage! You want to race a particular car, you grind the most lucrative offline race to get the credits as quick as possible. Who benefits then, people with time to actually do the grind. :rolleyes:

    Here' a thought, if the online Sport Mode carries on as it is now with the types of cars in races, will they have to put some races on for used road cars until enough people will have played to get the credits for race cars? Or would they have races for the people who had paid for the special editions which would probably contain cars better suited for racing. :confused: Or have the same types of races with hardly anyone taking part initially. Yes, they could offer races with the car included as part of participation, but then how much practice would people have with the car beforehand! :rolleyes:

    And those people would then have the 'advantage' rather than those who pay for the standard game. Allow people to transfer cars from GT Sport, or not, it would be a choice, ;) and more people would be able to play Sport Mode races with higher quality cars sooner. As for those who may not have already owned GT Sport, they should be low in number, seeing as GT Sport has apparently sold 8m+, and they would always have the option of buying a special edition to get an 'advantage' over a clean blank start.

    They could allow users of GT Sport and GT7 race against each other online, so what would be wrong with people just transferring their cars to GT7 to save on changing games all the time. If they couldn't, the GT Sport players would still have the 'advantage' over GT7 users not initially having the cars to compete.
     
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    Essentially, prize cars are a cheat as well. Past GTs allowed players to do the licence tests and they get a car. Everyone had to do the licence tests if they wanted to progress anyway.

    There is absolute no harm, if all players have the choice to import cars that they MIGHT be gifted anyway.

    I could see an option to import one car from each Group N and GR.# classes. Probably not Gr.X. Those range from VGT, Nostalgic, F1, SF19, track day specials.

    Plus, there's no advantage if a player races in Sport Mode. Those races only allow certain cars. Same for Campaign.

    One can say, any player that has more time to play than another, has an advantage to learn more.
     
  20. o000o

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    In previous GT (GT2/GT4), you were also allowed to skip some Licenses by data transfering from the previous game.
     
  21. dabz343

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    Yes, we need this option and continuity is something every developer is pondering at this point.
     
  22. 05XR8

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    GT7 seems like a return to GT4. We had the option of transferring 100,000 Cr. from our GT3 saves. If we were given an option to choose Cr. or a car of equal value or less, it'd be the 930 Turbo.

    Two cars I adore in GTS, FuguZ and E30 M3, are 300k and 200k, respectively. I'd be happy starting my journey using the 930T.
     
  23. MagpieRacer

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    No. Should be treated as a new and separate game. If cars can be imported itnshoukd be strictly for the Sport mode.
     
  24. redhed17

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    Why?

    Give people the option to, or not, and you could choose not to. Sorted. :tup: :)
     
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    Because if its economy based gameplay like previous games it can stuff that up. Credit bonuses etc are fine but I don't agree with the cars.

    If its an option fine but the thread asks if it should be there. I said no.
     
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    I don't see why people can't be given the choice. For competetive online events PD can use loan cars to allow everyone to take part without them having to own the required cars first. For other online races, you just don't enter a 200hp hatchback into a race against supercars, there will always be a level everyone can enjoy.

    Offline, what does it matter if someone else gets the jump over me? It doesn't. I'm of the inclination where I would more likely want to start from the very beginning and experience the journey. The initial stages can provide some of the most fun for me, deciding what to buy next based on perference and what you can enter it into, tuning potential etc.

    But I don't expect everyone to want that. Some people want no grind at all, everything unlocked from the very start. Again, that's not my preference, but why not offer an arcade or free race mode that does just that, pick a car, pick a track and go. And then what's to stop people being able to pick any stock car from the arcade mode to race online with?

    The more ways people can enjoy the game the better, as long as you aren't alienating one core fan base by appealing to another I see zero problem with doing so.

    If it becomes a matter of "to provide b we have to lose a" then that's a whole different type of scenario and one where preferences will be more important. But if you can cater to the needs of more people without stopping others enjoying playing how they want to, why not.
     
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    All that is fine but the thread title is asking if it should be an option.

    It just depends on how the rest of the game works really. If theres an auction house along with the online racing and credit based economy, rarity based cars etc it does kind of ruin it for people, look at Horizon 4. The free availability of credits and sheer number of cars that get thrown at you, ruin the economy and the auction house just becomes somewhere you go to buy cars you can't buy at inflated prices.

    In all its a hard thing to comprehend an answer to without knowing the rest of thebgames mechanics.
     
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    GTs never auctions though. However, it did have a credits option. GTS also allowed players to pre-order credits and cars. So, going off just GT past options for players, the option to import whole garages or certain cars, doesn't hurt anything.

    Yes, we don't know what/if any pre-orders, car packaging, etc., we'll see. The Yes and No explanations, don't affect anyone's game play.

    If on player chooses their first car as an '83 AE86 and another player chooses a '14 Fit, that's their choice. If someone already has access to 10 GR.3 cars via pre-order or import and another player only has Cr. for one GR.3(could be a 7-77yo playing GT7 for the first time). It doesn't make the game unplayable for the player with only one car.
     
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    No to an option because it is so stupid and it makes no sense to have it, but I can see credits maybe because you played GT Sport.
     
  30. Samus

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    One of these days you'll be able to form an actual valid reason for your hypocritical nonsense.

    I'm not expecting it any time soon, mind you.
     
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