Does Anyone Watch Wrestling? (WWE, AEW, TNA, NWA, etc)

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Survivor Series coming up has got me thinking how much of an enigma the event actually is.

Since, I want to say 2017, the build up to Survivor Series always felt like nothing actually matters and you can totally skip WWE all together in November and not miss anything, the Saudi shows are more consequencial than Survivor Series at this stage.

The blame was originally on the brand vs brand warfare forcing the wrestlers to suddenly feud with someone else for a month before back to business and 2019-2021 only made it worse when the draft was in October which meant brand loyalty was already non-existent and there wasnt even any authority figures to drive the feud and Wargames is meant to serve the fix to it but it hasn't, just the style of the build up has changed to grabbing a bunch of wrestlers either all in the feud or from different ones, pit them in a match and its all done and forgotten.

However, what I mentioned here really doesn't add up. For starters 2016 Survivor Series was also brand vs brand but didnt have the same issue as later renditions had, this most likely due to the main event instead being Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg, there was interbrand Championship matches and it was off Shane McMahon and Stephanie McMahon power struggle at the beginning of the year as a sort of pay off to that storyline.

Then there is also pre-2016 where the traditional Survivor Series matches were build the same way the War Games matches have been but didn't have this problem with the event. Looking back, the one difference maker is from 2003 to 2015 the traditional Survivor Series Tag Matches that were the main selling point of the event were 2004, 2005 and 2014. 2004 and 2014 had stakes involved (all involving the control of Raw coincidentally) while 2005 was the blow off match of the original brand warfare storyline and had dire consequences afterwards. Every other Survivor Series Tag match was either thrown together at the last minute or was part of the midcard handling all the midcard feuds as a sort of novelty, and the main selling point was the World Titles matches. The War Games editions however have all been Main Event focused matches but don't have any stakes or have any blow off to it, the storylines all continue as if nothing happened which is especially weird with how brutal this match up is compared to the traditional Survivor Series match and with the exception of 2024, all involved the World Champions.

Survivor Series seems stuck in this weird limbo where its has the same issues as 2009 surge of gimmick PPVs (and in some cases worse) however because its part of the big 4 and was one of the earlist PLEs Survivor Series is tied down to by tradition like the Royal Rumble is which Royal Rumble avoids this due to its tradition involving a massive price thats an easy plot device to justify.

There really isnt a solution to this I can think of, you either have to have every November have some plot the revolves around the gimmick match to resolve it, make it a pit stop hot pot for multiple rivalries or have it be a midcard afterthought. Changing the match type to War Games didnt solve anything.
 
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If spoilers, didn't expect an AEW/WWE crossover one-off.
If production tomfoolery, then I'd absolutely LOVE to be the one making the calls on what to use as test material
 


If spoilers, didn't expect an AEW/WWE crossover one-off.
If production tomfoolery, then I'd absolutely LOVE to be the one making the calls on what to use as test material

He's copy pasting something that was fake, all the more reason to want to see Cena punch him
 
War Games is about to start, no changes to the card following last night's Smackdown.

The Miz was LA Knight's mystery opponent in the Cena tournament but LA ended up winning, he will face Jey Uso in the semi final after Jey beat Rusev, its Gunther v Solo Sikoa in the other semi and I would be staggered if Gunther doesn't win the whole thing.

I read that the Edge thing was just the production team up to mischief after they found out someone was live streaming them putting the stage together.
 
The show last night was good but a bit forgettable, the main highlight really was Liv Morgan's return during the IC title match, she helped Dominik win but slapped him at first and hugged Cena but it turned out to be a ruse.

A hooded character helped Team Lesnar win the men's War Games match, he came in and used a Rollins curb stomp on CM Punk, I've heard and read that the person is Austin Theory.
 
Yeah, the Women's WarGames and Liv's return were the highlights for me (that stare she gave when she was hugging Cena was haunting...). And I figured it would be Theory.
 
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I don't get people are seeing with Bron Breakkers promos. (Not that I blame him but what lines he is given)

Granted I dont like fourth wall breaks about promos in general, I see promos as way characters communicate not a stunt to judge performances on like you do matches.

So Bron Breakker going off on Punk about doing promos and highlighting he is in fact doing a promo gave me 2015 Roman Reigns flashbacks. Just replace 2015 Roman Reigns mild smugness with flat rage
 
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I thought there was nothing wrong with his promo, best one he has given so far.

Breakker will face CM Punk for the world heavyweight title on the January 5th Raw, Breakker pinned Punk in the War Games match.

Gunther and LA Knight will meet in the final of the Cena tournament on Smackdown this week, Knight perhaps surprisingly beat Jey Uso and Gunther beat Solo Sikoa in the semis last night, AJ Styles and Dragon Lee had a successful tag title defense against New Day and will face War Raiders next week, the women's tag division basically finished the show last night.
 
Sad to hear about Larry's passing and my thoughts are with AJ and Phil.

I've lost a pet before and its no joke, it properly sucks.
 


A side effect of WWE propping up TNA is they've somehow gotten their highest-profile network to date to air Impact

This gives off some real "ECW on TNN" vibes for some reason. I guess cause I still remember when AMC was the American Movie Channel, and not just another generic cable slushpile.
 
The final of the Cena tournament is tonight on Smackdown, Gunther v LA Knight. I've quite enjoyed the tournament but it felt like something was missing.

NXT have a big show tomorrow with Deadl1ne, there are Iron Survivor matches for the men and women with the winners getting NXT title and women's title shots at New Years Evil.
 
Full credit to both Bayley and John Cena, first Bayley ran a free wrestling seminar the weekend just gone, she had been planning it for a while and the turn out was pretty huge, John Cena turned up on the Saturday completely unannounced and stayed for eight hours (!!) giving out coaching and advice. Natalya, Rhea Ripley, Roxanne Perez and Lyra Valkryia were also there.

Its also Cena's last week before his retirement, that last match at SNME is this Saturday and whilst we know that he facing Gunther we are getting at least two more matches, it will an NXT showcase which is what Cena requested with new NXT Champion Oba Femi facing WWE Champion Cody Rhodes and Bayley taking on NXT's Sol Ruca. I think they could easily add another match to the show but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.
 
LA Knight took a Tsumani on top of a car from Bronson Reed last night, so it seems Knight will be out for a few weeks at least but its only storyline and he isn't injured, Bron Breakker cut another great promo during all this.

Gunther said he will make Cena tap out and break his spirit on Saturday and I think its a shame that Cena wasn't there as a face to face between the two would've been great, The Usos are back in the tag team division which I think gives it a lift it badly needed.
 
LA Knight took a Tsumani on top of a car from Bronson Reed last night, so it seems Knight will be out for a few weeks at least but its only storyline and he isn't injured, Bron Breakker cut another great promo during all this.

Gunther said he will make Cena tap out and break his spirit on Saturday and I think its a shame that Cena wasn't there as a face to face between the two would've been great, The Usos are back in the tag team division which I think gives it a lift it badly needed.
We definitely have different standards of promos cause I got from Bron is generic lines heat with the intensity to remind you he's a Steiner. Theres no story for me to be invested in :lol:

I really don't think Seth Rollins was the problem with the Vision at all and these past few weeks really showed.

Though that pun was funny for the wrong reasons, a mate and I make jokes with the Mark Remark series and when Seth got injured again we quoted what that series said 10 years ago about replacing jokes with Seth Rollins name with jokes with Sheamus name but instead used Bron Breakker, and then the pun happened :lol:

I don't hate Bron, quite the opposite. I just think he is given terrible lines, bland storylines and WWE needs to find new ways to push big heels that isn't just they are an unstoppable monster because that trope is still so diluted with the company. I got rid of every single one in my WWE 2K25 Universe mode except Bron Breakker because Id just be playing the same matches and rivalries 5 times a week (the only other unstoppable monster is one of my CAW who's a babyface instead) :lol:
 
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The second season of WWE Unreal on Netflix will premiere on January 20th.

Some of the participants include:

Seth Rollins
Becky Lynch
Cody Rhodes
Rhea Ripley
Pat McAfee
Jelly Roll
R-Truth
IYO Sky
Naomi
Chelsea Green
Penta
Lyra Valkryia

Rhodes, Ripley and Green were featured in the first series but there rest are new.
 
Here is the card for Saturday Night's Main Event, featuring John Cena's final match.

Bayley v Sol Ruca

AJ Styles & Dragon Lee v Je'von Evans & Leon Slater

Cody Rhodes v Oba Femi

John Cena v Gunther

So at Cena's request its an NXT Showcase with NXT stars going up against main roster stars, Oba Femi only won back his NXT title this past Saturday is facing Cody Rhodes is champion v champion match, Sol Ruca is very good and her Sol Snatcher finisher is a thing of beauty, Je'von Evans is only 22 with a very bright future and Leon Slater is the youngest ever TNA X Division champion.

The big question about Cena v Gunther for me is...who wins?? you could argue that as its Cena's last match she should win but Gunther very rarely gets pinned or submitted, in fact you can count one hand the number of times that has happened. I have no idea how that match is going to finish.
 
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Whatever they do, they better not make it a squash. Give them all the time they want. I think Gunther is going to win by KO.
 
I just want it to be better than Goldberg when they had to cut his speech off at the end, I also want them to be given some time but its a two-hour show with commercials plus three other matches as well, that said they were better with the commercials on the last SNME, they only happened in between the matches and not during them.

Michael Cole and Wade Barrett will be the comms team with Lilian Garcia the announcer, Linda McMahon will be in attendance which has sparked rumors that Vince will be there too, there were also rumors that Donald Trump will be there but that's been a bit quieter in recent weeks.
 
I think Trump has better things to do... And even IF he makes an appearance, that will probably tune a lot of people out and cause some issues.
 
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There were a lot of reports about Trump being there weeks ago but its been a bit quieter lately, I think if he is going to be there then we would know about it by now.
 
To be blunt. The fans ruined the show.

This was perfectly fine way to end Cenas journey, sure I'm not a fan of Gunther being the one to do it, someone couldve been pushed way harder than he was and the writers seem very creatively bankrupt with Gunther but this was something that'll last as a pivotal moment of the story and the match itself was solid.

But the fans are so uppidity about have a particular moment just for the sake of it regardless of storytelling that theyll just spit back out the next day (even though they complain about the very same thing) and brought all the attention to Triple H

Really ironic when a lot of fans were obsessed with making the show an entire tribute to John Cena instead Cenas own idea of showing off new talent and yet they can't even make it about John Cena themselves...
 
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