Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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thehawk05
Alright,

I just did a good 1.5 hrs of testing this Auto Center Spring tweak on my CSR and did a whack of laps on Forza 4 and GT5. I'll start by recanting some of my original observations posted a couple pages ago.

First off the increase in FFB is not as dramatic as I originally thought and that's my fault. When I tested this tweak quickly this afternoon I did so before doing a test run before changing the ACS (auto center spring) and for that I apologize.....it's a cardinal sin to do so in hindsight. It had been a few days since I drove F4 so I assumed I would remember how it felt with little doubt and I was wrong. What I did tonight was revert the wheel back to having ACS turned off and then ran a good 15 laps on a track with a car I know very well and made observations. I then paused the game, powered down the wheel and then proceeded to use the interface on the PC and turn ACS on, power up the wheel and carry on in the game from where I left off piling up another 15 laps.

Comparing ACS on vs off

With F4 the increase in overall FFB was only slight really. On many parts of the track I drove on there was no difference in FFB strength. There were sections of the track that did seem to exert more at given times but the difference wasn't dramatic. It did seem to make the wheel feel a little tighter at center so that change was good. What I didn't like though was that the wheel fights you a bit when quick reflex inputs are required to catch a rearend slide. You could alleviate that by adding DRI in the wheel menu settings but it comes at the price of decreasing the overall FFB strength. I also found that having ACS on dulled or nullified some of the twitch FFB effects.....stuff like grazing the curbing, small bumps, etc. all things that were easily felt with ACS turned off just weren't the same or were gone altogether with it turned on. I also found it effected the feel of under steer as well. F4 does a nice job with FFB as one can feel the grip go away and come back as a car understeers and the wheel goes light on FFB to reflect that to the driver. Again.....it was still there with ACS turned on but the effect was dulled.

In short I prefer ACS off and I'm going to leave it off. My lap times reflected as much as I was faster without it.
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Now see thats what I like, honesty and having no problems correcting your previous thoughts before more extended testing. I can relate to what you mean trying to compare from memory rather than immediate or almost instant comparisons. Well done, hopefully others can add to your testing.

I think we will find on the forums some like yourself will find advantages and disadvantages in enableing this feature. The great thing with Fanatec wheels is having the options available for people to personalise how they want the wheel. However we no doubt have raised a point and congrats to "plato" for his obvservations. Im sure more testing might bring more on the subject but I do not think this is a "wonder" feature that makes the wheel much better for all users. It makes the wheel perform different but indeed may have some drawbacks in other ways.

It would be nice to have it available within the menus to turn it on/off
So I hope Thomas responds and gives some input on the matter.
 
Yeh it is odd that you have to connect to a pc to enable this. I actually had no idea that doing what Plato did was possible!
 
Mr Latte
Now see thats what I like, honesty and having no problems correcting your previous thoughts before more extended testing. I can relate to what you mean trying to compare from memory rather than immediate or almost instant comparisons.

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And that's why I feel your CSR E review will be the one to read in regards to how it stacks up against other wheels.....I don't know of anyone else who's gone to the trouble to have multiple setups side by side to do hot swap comparisons.......it makes a huge difference in ones accuracy of impressions.

And thanks for the kind words. I'll never be embarrassed or afraid to admit a mistake with this stuff.......I aim to help people not steer them wrong.
 
danjee
I'm back, and I have a few questions about the CSR pedals.

a) Fanatec says on their website that the pedals can be adjusted a bit in terms of location. Can anyone tell me, does this allow up and down movement? See, my whole want of CSR pedals is so that the bottom of the accelerator extends far past the bottom of the brake so I can get some good heel-toe action. I'd also like to invert the pedals. Well, in the OEM inversion kit, it literally takes each pedal and flips it upside down. But if I do this, I begin to lose a little length of the gas below the brake (which is much needed to heel-toe). So I ask: can I nudge the accelerator farther downward after I do the inversion? And how far, if possible?

b) Other than sex appeal, do the elite pedals have any real advantage over the standard ones?

c) Does anyone here have a CSR hooked up to a Fanatec Rennsport Wheel Stand (V2)? How does that work for you?

d) How hard is it to actually do the inversion? Keep in mind I'm a guy without much technical skill (video would be great here).

Sorry if my questions are a bit confusing (especially a).

Thank you!
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I still have the pedals in the dual pedal only mode for current photos and F1 2011 testing.

However I quickly took these for you showing some options.

Indeed the CSRE Pedals have more customisation over the CSP model.
This is like I have said they may be a benefit or interest to some users in choosing between the CSP or CSRE sets which in their own right are an upgrade in performance/customisation over G25/G27 and T500RS pedals.


Notice the pedal stem (brake) on the left is raised approx 10-12mm and the (throttle pedal) stem on the right is lowered approx 8-10mm. You can wriggle move these up/down within the "inversion kit" mounting brackets.


Brake pedal plate also raised, in the bottom two holes.


CSRE pedals allow for close positioning and here the throttle pedal just about clears the bottom footplate after being lowered within the bracket.

Hope it is some help danjee in letting you make the purchase.


thehawk05
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
 
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Mr Latte
Now see thats what I like, honesty and having no problems correcting your previous thoughts before more extended testing. I can relate to what you mean trying to compare from memory rather than immediate or almost instant comparisons. Well done, hopefully others can add to your testing.

I think we will find on the forums some like yourself will find advantages and disadvantages in enableing this feature. The great thing with wheels is having the options available for people to personalise how they want the wheel. However we no doubt have raised a point and congrats to "plato" for his obvservations. Im sure more testing might bring more on the subject but I do not think this is a "wonder" feature that makes the wheel much better for all users. It makes the wheel perform different but indeed may have some drawbacks in other ways.

It would be nice to have it available within the menus to turn it on/off
So I hope Thomas responds and gives some input on the matter.
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Thanks to the guys that tried and tested this and making sure I wasn't crazy :sly:👍

I will be keeping this feature on personally, the reason for me is that I find it helps aid the turn in response. As I explained earlier, before using this feature I was struggling to get the desired response from the wheel and could use no more than 300 deg which is poor when trying to drive smoothly. With this feature turned on though I found it a lot better where I could use a higher SEN setting.

I have settled on using 540 deg with this feature and my experience is far better than it was previously.

Again thanks for listening and testing this feature guys, hope to see some more feedback from others yet to try it to give there opinions:tup:
 
Seems like a patch for Fm4 was released that fixes the 900 degree steering problem. I'm at work so can't test. Can someone who knows what the 900 degree problem is test and report back please?
 
PzR Slim
Seems like a patch for Fm4 was released that fixes the 900 degree steering problem. I'm at work so can't test. Can someone who knows what the 900 degree problem is test and report back please?
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Can someone also try out with a pad and see the difference in correcting slides when hitting bumps and getting out of shape and compare doing the same with a wheel like the CSR. Will probably be easier to correct now for pad users and people with a wheel should have to turn the wheel more now so it will probably be perceived harder for wheel users at first but normal once people get used to it.
 
mykem
If what you're looking for is that half a second, then a higher end wheel can be a detriment rather than helping your cause.

A bigger and stronger motor would increase FFB which will improve immersion but it also means that it requires more effort to drive. Yes, you can turn the FFB level down but doing so negates the need for a wheel of such calibre as the T500RS or either of the dual motored Fanatecs.

Personally, I would love to see that somewhere down the line there's a standard FFB measurement. Better still, one FFB level and those wanting less weight can opt for power steering (which will, of course, provide less feedback).
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FFB is just one of the many features a high end wheel brings to the table
 
PzR Slim
Seems like a patch for Fm4 was released that fixes the 900 degree steering problem. I'm at work so can't test. Can someone who knows what the 900 degree problem is test and report back please?
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I cant test to confirm as I'm at work but I read this on the official Forza Forum where a thread is running about todays patch:

"CONFIRMED. The "Simulation Steering" bug is fixed!!! 900° wheel users REJOICE!!!!!

Vehicles now drive much more realistically (Imo). Game feels 10x better!!!

Thank you Turn10!!! I can finally start playing Forza!!!

Idk about the points bug. I'm guessing it was also fixed.

Anyways, back to the track!"

I'll test when I get home to see for myself.
 
thehawk05
I cant test to confirm as I'm at work but I read this on the official Forza Forum where a thread is running about todays patch:

"CONFIRMED. The "Simulation Steering" bug is fixed!!! 900° wheel users REJOICE!!!!!

Vehicles now drive much more realistically (Imo). Game feels 10x better!!!

Thank you Turn10!!! I can finally start playing Forza!!!

Idk about the points bug. I'm guessing it was also fixed.

Anyways, back to the track!"

I'll test when I get home to see for myself.
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Yeah I read that also but want it confirmed by someone I can trust.
 
Awesome, sandbox I think we got lucky here. Our wheels are coming and we have the 900 degree steering bug fixed!
 
PzR Slim
Yeah I read that also but want it confirmed by someone I can trust.
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Even if the 900 deg bug has been fixed the game is still broken according to other threads over on FM.NET.

The issue still remains with the glitched muscle cars which is a game breaker in my opinion, I know your a hotlapper Slim like I was on forza (old GT EMW aDReNaLiN) and the game is ruined in the leaderboard department.

I have been a fan of the forza series since the start of FM2 but as I stated in a post on the FM vs GT thread last night before this patch came out, no true forza fan can say that the P.I and car customization has ever worked well together. I also stated on there that turn 10 are very slow when it comes to game updates and that the muscle car situation may not be repairable. You just have to look at FM3 with it's AWD dominance to realize that couldn't be repaired so it is probably the same for this bug.

On topic

Has anybody managed to find some wheel settings that feel the same as using the auto spring option? I am willing to try them and see if they work for me in the hope that the steering input will feel as good as it does using the spring option :cheers:
 
Looking forward to trying this out.
Is it still nessecary to power on console before wheel?
 
Looks like we will need to re learn how to drive in FM. From .net

For a 900 degree wheel user the changes are jarring. I made a thread about it. The countersteering assist bug that caused the sensitivity to go to 270 during a counter steer is gone. Even the smallest slip up are nearly impossible to save. Only because we have been used to it. I may have to back off to 720. It feels more real I think but WAY harder for me at least. Fanatec gt2. I appear to be getting credits now !!!
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Waiting till I get on before celebrating.
What about going down the Le mann straight at 230mph. Does it still take 15 degrees of movement to register.
Strange linearity.
 
Can we arrange or have someone pick a car/track as an example for people to test with and report back on. If possible a car that is available in free play mode? Err I have little done in career yet.

Also for testers reading this thread I think everyone would appreciate people here suggesting test(s) or what to look for. Videos/Pictures/Comments involving the CSRE can then be done to showcase the results.

I have been waiting for this patch before writing anything about the wheels perfomance in FM4
 
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I've read some reports that people with Fanatec CSR wheels feel the FFB is a bit stronger. Wont be a valid point unless the person played the game just prior to the patch though.

Damn....I wish I was home to try it while all my testing from last night is still fairly fresh in my mind.
 
Don't know if I should or should not post these. BUT, going to anyways, if requested to take down, I will. JUST got these off the iRacing forums!!!!!!!

CSW_GT2.jpg


CSW_F1.jpg


Looking Good!!!!! CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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