Fanatec Podium Direct Drive Wheel Bases Thread

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by super_gt, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. bluepeter

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    I'll try and keep this simple for you...

    M is the excepted term used to refer to metric, ie: M6 would refer to an 6mm dia thread.

    Generally, you'll have three measurments when measuring a bolt/Allen screw - the diameter, the pitch of the thread, and the length.
    I'll not go into the pitch other than to say it's measured from peak to peak, or trough to trough. The length is measured from underneath the head so in the case of a M6 x 25mm cap head Allen, you'll have 25mm of thread plus the cap head (the part the Allen key fits into)

    I've just popped a depth micrometer into the blind hole on my podium and it bottoms out at approx 10mm, so you'll be safe to go 9mm deep without the screw bottoming out.

    So you need M6 screws (use Allen screws) the length will be determind by the thickness of what you need to fit. Measure it, and add 8mm to 9mm in length - Cap head Allen screws with washer would do, but I used button heads to mount my podium...

    Google M6 x 12 button head Allen screws...… how thick is you dashboard mount?

    Here is an example......https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M6-x-12mm-HIGH-TENSILE-BUTTON-HEAD-ALLEN-SOCKET-SCREWS-BOLTS-GRADE-10-9-BLACK/233166996040?var=&hash=item3649d60248&enc=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&checksum=233166996040e51d3e6fbdcd4b0bb1bb8b67768d54a0
     
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  2. DomB_Fanatec

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    These are M6 bolts. The depth limit is 10mm. For those wondering about the front holes, please note that these holes are not designed for hard mounting the wheel base to a bracket and should only be used for mounting accessories to the base.
     
  3. kikie

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    Such as a button box? An LCD screen?
     
  4. BadFlounder

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    Interesting. I have the ability to reinforce it, thankfully (my dad is a machinist/welder). I may haul the base of the rig up to him and simply machine a brace going down to the left side. I'm guessing that would resolve the issue. I mean, I'd rather avoid having to deal with this, but I suppose I'll have to if the flex bothers me. We'll see.
     
  5. super_gt

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    "Symptom: High friction when connecting or removing wheels from wheel bases

    The Quick Release shafts on all Fanatec wheel bases (CSL, ClubSport, and Podium Series) share the same basic design, so this advice applies to all bases. The Podium Series has an improved system that incorporates an expandable rubber gasket, which can result in higher levels of friction and may require additional lubrication. We recommend using a dielectric grease which rubber and plastic friendly, such this CRC Silicone Grease."
     
  6. Shinu

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    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/8c/c6/298cc6ee1fb6a45b5592938dca7c334c.jpg I'm using these casters.
    They work great. But as I said when pushing if caster turns a certain way it lies down on the "base".
    Upon inspection it looks like the mounting "holes" move or those triangles slightly (will have to think of something)
    Having the ability to move the rig out of the way when I want to watch a movie is awesome.
     
  7. super_gt

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    This may be useful:



    "When you get to the point where it gets tight it's just easier to hold the handle on this wrench and turn the wheel to tighten it instead of the cog. Just makes it easier to deal with."
     
  8. LearnersPermit

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    Yeah saw this and was laughing, how weak must you be to no be able to tighten/loosen your wheel?

    Is anyone else not happy with the FFB of their PS4 DD1s?

    I’m currently not very happy with mine, sure I can increase the FFB and make the wheel hard to turn on corners but I just can’t feel much feedback on the road surface changes at all in my console games (I’m just comparing it to a Leo Bodnar with GIMX on the same console.) it just feels like something is missing and I can’t figure out what it is. I have tried the settings on the Fanatec webpage for
    PCars 2, dirt rally 2, GT Sport, Forza 6 and 7 and Assetto Corsa and they all are the same no road feedback at all, only the rumble strips and crashes (only against other cars not against walls)make the wheel come alive.
     
  9. CJ1045

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    The Fanatec settings are not very good and in the case of Forza just wrong as you cannot set the wheel rotation in game to what they suggest. Very dissapointed that they have posted these without checking them properly.

    CJ
     
  10. MaxdOut

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    Yeah fanatec's settings are not very good for Forza at least. still using my original settings from the clubsport 2.5

    Oh and if anyone has an setting recommendations please post if you can.
     
  11. Jason Yu

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    Hey everyone,

    Has anyone experienced 0 force feed back with assetto corsa competizione with their DD2? I can't seem to set it up properly or something.
     
  12. SimRacer925

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    You have to use it in Comp Mode.
     
  13. Jason Yu

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    I am in comp mode.
     
  14. Jason Yu

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    I've also used the FANATEC suggested settings. So, I'm not sure whats up.
     
  15. DomB_Fanatec

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    ACC is a work in progress, and it can behave oddly with input devices in general. It might be worth resetting your controller config entirely.
     
  16. Jason Yu

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    Do you by resetting all my presets? By holding button for 5 sec?
     
  17. DomB_Fanatec

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    No the Tuning Menu presets should be fine, I mean the ACC settings. I believe this can be done by deleting the ACC folder in Documents (but this may remove other settings too). Alternatively you could manually delete every single entry in the control menu, and then manually reassign just the necessary buttons and axes.
     
  18. T_M

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    In ACC when I went from CSW 2.5 to DD2 in PC mode the steering wheel rotation and FFB etc was set to 0 in the ACC menu, so I set it up with recommended settings from Fanatec and it works as it should for me anyway
     
  19. Jason Yu

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    I wasn't aware you could go to csw2.5 to dd2 in PC mode. How do you do that?
     
  20. Jason Yu

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    Thanks Dom, I'll give it a go when I get the chance.
     
  21. T_M

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    No I went from using my CSW 2.5 steering wheel base to using my new DD2 steering wheel base
    I use my DD2 in PC mode because it says on Fanatec page that ACC works in PC Mode or V2.5 Comp Mode
    And what I experienced then was that FFB and steering wheel rotation were set to 0 in ACC settings, then I set it up as it says on the Fanatec page
     
  22. Jason Yu

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    Understood, thank you.
     
  23. bluepeter

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    We are just at the end of the beginning...… I commented earlier in the thread that Fanatec should be rightly proud of what they've produced in a direct drive base. As a piece of engineering it's a very elegant solution - better than anyone else. They solved two problems, over coming EMI and powering the wheel wirelessly, while housing it all in one box. It makes for a very tidy set-up..... Plus no batteries ;) lol.... slight dig there for those that tagged it on as an afterthought.

    I posted a rather sarcastic comment over at the other place RD in the Simucube 2 thread but no-one bit - The tech is comparatively old in the world of work that I originate from, it dates from the mid 50s. Out runner motors are not rocket science and once we get past 8 bit encoding humans are incapable of feeling the difference. The hardware is much of a muchness, I'm more concerned about the quality of the bearings that Fanatec have chosen to source than the electronics/encoders/out runner motor they designed and got built. All, and I mean all the direct drive bases are capable of out performing you or I without exception. I purchased a DD1, which is quite capable of braking fingers, wrists & arms. It's the quality of those N.m's, not the quantity & to hear those waxing lyrical about fidelity are taking utter BS when it comes to numbers.

    Now, here comes the rub - LearnersPermit, you've hit the nail on the head - what we want to see is Fanatec produce software that takes advantage of the engineering. Will developers create sims/cars/tracks that shows off what DD can do..... I wonder. The Podium can rule the roost if it wants to, it has the user base, just depends how much Thomas and everyone at Fanatec love their new babies..... Only time will tell.
     
  24. DomB_Fanatec

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    Hi CJ, I've posted revised FM7 settings for both versions of the game and for all wheel bases. Was a data entry error on my part, apologies for the confusion.

    There will be improvements for sure, both via firmware and the new software.
     
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  25. CJ1045

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    Dom,
    I have posted an update on the Fanatec forum after using your new values. I have made some ammendments that you might have missed so please do have a look and let me know what you think. I am loving your/my revised settings on my CSL Elite F1 PS4.
    CJ
     
  26. FMW

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    If I may ask....Do you feel the upgrade to a Podium PS4 was not a noticeable improvement over whatever other wheel you used on console? I keep hearing the PC guys rave about DD, but I could care less about that world. We all know that world is amazing for those who chase PC builds. But, I want to know if that leap in fidelity is that big of a jump in the current console racing games we play? i.e. AC, PC2, F1-2019 and GT Sport.

    I want to pull the trigger, but if the leap is not that noticeable on console just yet, I may want to hang onto my current set up, which is a CSW V2.0 using a Drivehub on my PS4 Pro. That set up is working really well, so I'm looking for a leap and not a small step ;-)
     
  27. Shinu

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    For me it is noticeably better then csw v2 + drivehub. Part of it is that the wheelbase is quieter (The braking rattle used to get on my nerves and I could not use the wheel in fanatec mode).

    CSW v2 is great wheel but with DD everything seems quicker to me and easier to catch slides (Maybe it's a placebo) and I also like the strength.
     
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  28. BrainsBush

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    Now that I've tested my DD1 everyday over the last week I can conclude this is a great wheelbase!
    And that with the knowledge that the well known racesims still have to publish an update for native Fanatec DD support.

    Besides the topquality of the unit itself also the supportive forums and Youtube is very helpful with e.g. setup suggestions. Thanks!
     
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  29. bjosim

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    On console I've tried AC and GT Sport, I also have PC2 but haven't gotten that far yet. In my experience it's a nice step up from the T500 I had before, but the way people have talked up DDs on the Internet made me expect perhaps a tiny bit more (anyone else seen that Youtube vid which asks whether DDs are the same as "cheating"?).

    Its faster to react, has less mechanical resistance that interfere with FFB, it's stronger, which gives you more feel and it doesn't seem to oscillate on the straights as the T500 did. But it doesn't feel revolutionary to me. As relates to performance in a race, it does allow me to catch slides easier and in most cases it also allows me to stay closer to the edge thanks to it's faster reaction speeds and increased feel, although this is something which I need more training for in order to be able to fully exploit, something I haven't had the time to do yet (been busy).

    All in all I'm happy with my purchase and have no regrets. It's a good solid step, but no great leap. But apparently we still haven't seen everything these bases can do as they will continue to improve with firmware and software.

    The best experiences I've had regarding FFB is with PC sims though, especially iRacing. That's the only sim where I so far have been able to actually compare lap times and I've managed to improve by almost a second at some tracks. I'm usually less than a second off Martin Krönke now.

    And I have to say, I'm still in the process of dialing in the FFB fully to my liking. I expect it get even better once I'm done with that. I'd fully recommend the buy if you can afford it.
     
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  30. FMW

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    Noted! Great feedback =)